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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    Hi Blue!!!!  Time to go fishing????? I love to fish!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited February 2011

    Ok, with my love of quotes....when I saw this one this a.m., this thread just popped in my thoughts.  Does it describe a troll...or the person trying to describe a troll.

    I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
                -- Robert McCloskey, State Department spokesman (attributed)

     IllinoisLady

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2011

    Excellent quote!!!

  • marie5890
    marie5890 Member Posts: 3,594
    edited February 2011

    Illinois Lady

    Agree with Athena.Love that quote!! 

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited February 2011

    lago, you definitely don't look 50!! keep the pic there, i hope i make it to 50 and look as good as you :-)

  • annettek
    annettek Member Posts: 1,640
    edited February 2011

    while my eyes are burning after reading all 11 pages I have to thank Illinois for the best darn quote I have read in a very long time and as far as you go Lago, to me your outer beauty simply reflects the beauty inside...you have been  nothing but a friend since I started out here scared out of my wits. And at 50, you are nothing but a lil pip!

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 1,107
    edited February 2011

    What's a pip??

  • annettek
    annettek Member Posts: 1,640
    edited February 2011

    In the neck of the woods where I grew up a pip is a term for a sweet little kid:) In fact, I would not mind in the least being called a pip:)

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited February 2011

    I think my neck of the woods made it pip-squeak.  Love the word pip -- you can spell it backward and still be ok.

    IllinoisLady

  • annettek
    annettek Member Posts: 1,640
    edited February 2011

    i was also called a pipsqueak...do to the fact I stopped growing at 5 foot .5 inches;)

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited February 2011

    The Brits -- and some of us Canadians -- use the term pip to mean "a pretty special person"!  Pipsqueak on the other hand, is considered a bit of an insult (as in an inconsequential person, e.g. "who do you think you are, telling us what to do, you little pipsqueak".   So, it pays to know the diff depending on where you visit!!!

    Annette -- I'd never call YOU a pipsqueakKiss!

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited February 2011

    I am still called pipsqueak as with us it is an affectionate term for a "small person" no, I am not that small but I am that short (5'0").  The nickname has never bothered me in the least and I have never thought of it insulting.  Heck as a kid in high school they called me munchkin.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited February 2011

    jancie -- As I said, it depends where you live!  I was the youngest in my family, and often got called pipsqueak by my siblings -- and it was no compliment!!!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2011

    Thanks annettek I didn't know what pip meant either but it sounded nice.

    Back in the early 2000's someone on design forum I post on said I "was the bomb". I was like "huh!?" It sounded horrible until someone explained it was a good thing. Kinda like us Bostonians/New Englanders that say "Wicked" meaning "wicked good" or "outstanding".

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 1,107
    edited February 2011

    Yes, thanks for the clarification(s) everyone.  

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited February 2011

    OT, but hmmm nicknames.  I had a few -- one was Pie.

    IllinoisLady

  • marie5890
    marie5890 Member Posts: 3,594
    edited February 2011
    I never really had a nickname Frown
  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2011

    Most of mine had no dictionary meaning. 

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    My dad's nickname for me was "nails," as in tough as nails.  And when I was little he called me "red on the head."

    Bren

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited February 2011

    Here is something interesting that came my way today.  I have only included part of it.

    rom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search

    Münchausen by Internet is a pattern of behavior in which Internetusers seek attention by feigning illnesses in online venues such as chat rooms, message boards, and Internet Relay Chat(IRC). It has been described in medical literature as a manifestation of factitious disorder or factitious disorder by proxy.[1]Reports of users who deceive Internet forum participants by portraying themselves as gravely ill or as victims of violence first appeared in the 1990s due to the relative newness of Internet communications. The pattern was identified in 1998 by psychiatrist Marc Feldman, who created the term "Münchausen by Internet" in 2000. It is not included in the fourth revision of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders(DSM-IV-TR).

    The development of factitious disorders in online venues is made easier by the availability of medical literature on the Internet, the anonymous and malleable nature of online identities, and the existence of communication forums established for the sole purpose of giving support to members facing significant health or psychological problems. Several high-profile cases have demonstrated behavior patterns which are common among those who pose as gravely ill, victims of violence, or whose deaths are announced to online forums. The virtual communities which were created to give support, as well as general non-medical communities, often express genuine sympathy and grief for the purported victims. When fabrications are suspected or confirmed, the ensuing discussion can create schisms in online communities, destroying some and altering the trusting nature of individual members in others.

    In light of some of what we were discussing I found it quite interesting.

    IllinoisLady

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited February 2011

    Morning gals....I think we all probably have heard of this, and maybe even know people that are troubled with this...More about Munchasen Syndrome:

    Description

    In Münchausen syndrome, the affected person exaggerates or creates symptoms of illnesses in themselves to gain investigation, treatment, attention, sympathy, and comfort from medical personnel. In some extreme cases, people suffering from Münchausen's syndrome are highly knowledgeable about the practice of medicine and are able to produce symptoms that result in lengthy and costly medical analysis, prolonged hospital stay and unnecessary operations. The role of "patient" is a familiar and comforting one, and it fills a psychological need in people with Münchausen's. It is distinct from hypochondriasis in that patients with Münchausen syndrome are aware that they are exaggerating, whereas sufferers of hypochondriasis believe they actually have a disease. Risk factors for developing Münchausen syndrome include childhood traumas, and growing up with caretakers who, through illness or emotional problems, were unavailable. Arrhythmogenic Münchausen syndrome describes individuals who simulate or stimulate cardiac arrhythmias to gain medical attention.[2]

    Origin of the name

    The syndrome name derives from Baron Münchhausen (Karl Friedrich Hieronymus Freiherr von Münchhausen, 1720-1797) who purportedly told many fantastic and impossible adventures about himself, which Rudolf Raspe later published as The Surprising Adventures of Baron Münchhausen.

    In 1951, Richard Asher was the first to describe a pattern of self-harm, where individuals fabricated histories, signs, and symptoms of illness. Remembering Baron Münchhausen, Asher named this condition Münchausen's Syndrome in his article in The Lancet in February 1951,[4] quoted in his obituary in the British Medical Journal:

    "Here is described a common syndrome which most doctors have seen, but about which little has been written. Like the famous Baron von Munchausen, the persons affected have always travelled widely; and their stories, like those attributed to him, are both dramatic and untruthful. Accordingly the syndrome is respectfully dedicated to the Baron, and named after him."

    I have one in our family, & it's easier to get along with someone, when you understand what is going on...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    The last two posts seem to be indicating that you think there is a poster here who is pretending to have breast cancer just to get attention.  I hope you nice ladies are really sure of this or you are doing a horribly mean thing to some one.  I know you don't want to be malicious.  I think maybe you just got on the wrong track and are having trouble getting off of it.

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited February 2011

    I deleted my last comment, and no, I'm sorry SeaFoobs....that was not it at all.....I read earlier on the beginnings of this thread, someone mentioning that there are people who claim to have cancer, or any other disease, & are sure in their minds that they have a dreadful disease.  Sorry you got the wrong impression.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    SeaFoobs, I think you put it all in a nutshell.  The only reason I came on this Troll thread is because I find it amusing the way there are barbs thrown back and forth and so many petty things that are not let go on a board that is supposed to offer support....maybe I am sick or don't have enough of a life, but I read some of the threads and go Wow, OMG, I can't believe this one, Oh for Pete's sake, etc, and actually get a kick out of them .....it sort of takes the place of tv for me.  Anyway, I just returned from a Dental convention in Chicago and the last speaker I heard was the topic of Women's Health Across America and not only did she offer info and some new perspectives at looking at things, and tips for things to avoid, she had some really good quotes, mostly from Mark Twain....one was Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.  She said gratitude, acceptance,hope, optimism and forgiveness are all keys to  peace within. She also told a joke which made me think of this thread as well as a few others . I am sure I am not going to get this exactly right, but you can get the idea she was putting out   There were these two monks ( I think she said monks, but they could have just been two guys) getting ready to go across a river and there was this old woman sitting there who barked out "Carry me across the river",,,not a request, not a please, more of an order.  The lst guy ignored her, so she again calls out "Carry me across the river" and the 2nd one did it....picked her up (which was not easy as she was heavy) and carried her across the river on his back and sat her down on the other side and did not get one word of thanks.   The two went on there way.  Later in the day, the lst one says to the 2nd, "I cannot believe you carried that belligerent old woman across the river and she did not offer one word of thanks and you are not upset by that" and the 2nd one says "I picked her up, I carried her and I put her down , whereas you my friend have been carrying her  all day"  

    When it comes right down to it, who cares about trolls, they have their own problems and don't we who have BC, have bigger issues to worry about? 

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited February 2011

    Hi Marybe....same with me!  We all read other threads, sometimes just to see the disagreements, going on, & the occasional cat-fights.  Trolls might not be an acceptable name for this thread, but there are women who have had problems posting, and being stalked by other women on this forum.....just because they disagree. 

    Yes, we all come here for support and we would like to think we can maybe help someone else get through their problems, even if they aren't necessarily relevant to breast cancer.   But if we don't agree with someone, we can just say it....or find another thread that is also "amusing."

  • marie5890
    marie5890 Member Posts: 3,594
    edited February 2011

    IlliniosLady,

    Interesting information. The advent of the internet certainly does give another, more broad reaching forum for people who, for whatever reason, are seeking attention, even if they have to be faking a medical condition or abuse in order to get it.

    It's always a reminder that one has be to cautious and use wisdom on the internet. There is no guarentee of it being a safe zone.  

      

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    Chevyboy.. I think that it is nice that you deleted your post even if it was not posted for the reason I thought.  It's hard enough in real life to figure out if an acquaintance is a hypochondriac or truly has a disease.  On the Internet it is infinitely more difficult.  I think pretty much everyone here is dealing with breast cancer.  They may have 5 identities but all 5 of those identities are dealing with breast cancer.

  • Alpal
    Alpal Member Posts: 1,785
    edited February 2011

    Excellent post, Marybe.

    I'm amazed at those who poke, poke, poke in thinly veiled references to those with whom they have a bone to pick. Then, when the one being poked finally blows up (which was the poker's intention all along) they (the poker) feign innocence and dismay. That's not troll behavior but just plain old mean behavior. This scenario repeats itself over and over on the boards. We'd all be so much happier if we could just suck it up and move on! 

    I think the main purpose of this board is support (even tho I love the threads which offer a distraction from BC). If we are unable to offer support because of our opinion about the poster or if the poster upsets us, put them on ignore!

  • imbell
    imbell Member Posts: 659
    edited February 2011

    I have to tell my DH that we live in a free speaking country all the time cause he doesn't know the difference between a discussion and being told what to do. I tell him in the end you choose what you want to do so if I have a different opnion it is not cause for an argument, Now he would say I was preaching. P.S. I am Canadian and he is an American from Atlanta.

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 1,107
    edited February 2011
    Marybe loved the story of the monks or who ever they were!!

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