The Fungal Theory

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  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Kira1234, You can go to your local "home" store such as Lowes or Menards and purchase a mold test kit.  They are around $10 each.  It comes with a little petri dish and a medium in which the mold would grow.  You basically pour the medium into the dish, let it cure for an hour then remove the lid for an hour and give mold a chance to settle into the dish.  If you have mold, you should see it start to grow in the petri dish within 24-48 hours.  If you discover any mold, you can also send it to a lab to have it analyzed to see which type of mold it is.  I think the lab cost is $30.  (or you can hire a professional mold company.)  I would even do it at your work and present it to the school board.

    My daughter had mold in her house.  During this time, she had infertility problems , ovarian cysts, high blood sugar, weight gain and her hands were cracked and bled.  Interestingly, her family went on vacation with us and during that week, her hands cleared up.  Once we figured out the mold problem, they had it remediated and within 3 months, she was pregnant. Her blood sugar is now normal.  I'm convinced it was all mold related. 

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2011

    kira...Thanks ...I'll reply to your question on the stage 1 thread :)

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    hoist123, most molds do not harm us.  There are over 100,000 identified fungi.  Out of those, there are only about 200 that can be pathogenic and even fewer that can cause serious disease so I dont think you need to worry about outdoor molds (except for allergies).  It's the ones that can get indoors and grow that can cause problems, since our homes are (mostly) shut up all the time and air tight, circulating the same air over and over. 

    These molds and their mycotoxins are also found in the foods we eat because of the way they store them in silos, etc.  Corn and grains are the two biggies....and guess what most of our diets consist of?  Cereals, breads, pastas and corn.  Dr. Ruth Etzel says corn is universally contaminated.  Corn syrup is found in almost everything nowadays.  They are using it instead of white sugar.  I was amazed when I was trying to cut the sugar out of my diet that practically every label it read, had corn syrup in it.  Even things I wouldn't consider as "sweet" foods, like salad dressings.  The sodas we consume are now sweetened with corn syrup instead of sugar.   This is not to mention that the meat we eat (beef and dairy products) is fed an unnatural diet of grains (corn) as well as antibiotics....another fungal toxin. If corn is universally contaminated and grains aren't far behind, we are being slowly and chronically poisoned by these fungi and their the toxins they give off. 

    So whether we believe mold is cancer or not, IMO, it would definitely help our immune systems to not be overtaxed by avoiding these foods.  I supplement as well and that along with changes in my diet have helped me overcome my chronic fatigue for the most part.  Whenever I veer from my plan, I feel it creeping up.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Barry, Yeah, I have breast fungus, lol.  We would definitely get some strange looks and people would stand just a little further away from us, right?

    You said, "My understanding in how you put it is...if there is a merger of the two cells then it is no longer completely human or fungi...it is cancer." 

    Yes. This "merger" now looks "different" than our normal cells and that's what pathologists see.  They see a cell or cells that are differentiated; the nucleus of the cell, as well as the cell itself are different in shape and size from a normal cell, they multiply at a faster rate and they become disorganized.

    You may be right...there could be other causes of cancer but bacteria or virus do not have a nucleus so I dont think they could change the size of the human nucleus and the cell itself, the way fungi can and this is what pathologists see when they look at cancer cells.  They can maybe enter the cell and infect it with their RNA or DNA but pathologists would see something that looks different from the cancer cell they see now.  Maybe a cell that looks the same but has viral RNA or bacterial DNA in it....Just my guess.  I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will correct me.

    IMO, as far as acidic environment and stress....these are some of the things that can cause fungi to "feel at home" but I dont think they themselves can "cause cancer" without the fungi being present.

    Does any of that make sense?

  • jdootoo
    jdootoo Member Posts: 253
    edited January 2011

    Impositive, I just read a post declaring that yeast has bee shown to kill cancer cells. Now I am really confused as I believe that yeast is what feeds the cancer fungus. Please help... whether or not the fungal theory is the answer, it gives me something to believe in and that is essential to me!

    One love, Jackie 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Jackie, can you post a link to the article you read or point me in the direction of the post?

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Jackie, I did a search and I think I may have found the post you are talking about....is it the yeast therapy post?

    That's very interesting to me....Here's my take....

    Yeast, molds and mushrooms are all members of fungi.  In order to survive, fungi must compete...sometimes with other fungi.  One way they compete is to remove all nutrients from a "zone" so there is nothing left for other fungi.  The "sugar" loving fungi  respond to presence of simple sugars with explosive growth, and reproduction, followed by a rapid decline. Once the sugars are gone...they move on.  (Btw...that is why we need to be on a very low carb diet-starve these things so they'll leave or die!!)  Also they compete through a "contact" phenomena called lysis, which is the breaking down of a cell through enzymatic mechanisms, for example.  Another way to compete is to give off poisons (mycotoxins).  These poisons of some fungi either deter, inhibit or are toxic to other fungi. (Some of them are also poison to us!  We've talked about one of them here on this thread, aflatoxin, as being one of the most carcinogenic substances known to humans.)  

    Fungal metabolites (mycotoxins) are also toxic to bacteria.  That is what the antibiotic, penicillin is...it is the mycotoxin of the fungus pennicilium.  Antibiotics (anti-life) can be good for killing off bad bacteria in our systems but they also kill off the good bacteria.  This is why over use of antibiotics (at our doctor's office and in the commercial farming industry) has led to fungal overgrowth in our bodies.

    We've heard of medicinal mushrooms, right?  Well, I believe those work because they have the components in them to kill bacteria, other fungi, etc. 

    Perhaps this is why this baker's yeast is working.  They possess some method that kills other fungi.  

    This is simply a hypothesis on my part just based on what I've learned about mycology.  I hope all of it makes sense. 

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited July 2012

    Imp and Barry, if you're looking at cancer from a cellular point of view, you might want to look at this article about BC stem cells and see how it fits into your theory. 

    http://www.cancernetwork.com/breast-cancer/content/article/10165/1779588?GUID=D2E28DF3-8318-42AC-BB09-DA7FD30130C8&rememberme=1 

    I'll put more about this on the Natural thread as it's really got my brain ticking over.
  • chillipadi
    chillipadi Member Posts: 151
    edited January 2011

    This is really exciting! I just came across some medical research which clearly shows that antifungal chemicals can disrupt or even kill cancer cells. They achieve this through ways such as disrupting a molecular pathway through which cancer develops (eg. itraconazole), inhibiting aromatase (eg. clotrimazole, which I'm using now), stopping angiogenesis (eg. itraconazole) or just outright killing cancer cells (eg. griseofulvin). You may have read these findings yourself, but here are the links anyway for those who haven't:

    Anti-fungal drug (griseofulvin) may help treat cancer
    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-06/uoc--adm062805.php

    Cheap antifungal drug (itraconazole) may fight cancer: study
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63B64L20100412

    Itraconazole, a Commonly Used Antifungal that Inhibits Hedgehog Pathway Activity and Cancer Growth
    http://www.cell.com/cancer-cell/abstract/S1535-6108(10)00070-X

    Possible New Cancer Treatment? Antifungal Drug (itraconazole) Stops Blood Vessel Growth
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070427120221.htm

    Common anti-fungal medication has cancer-fighting properties
    http://www.angio.org/news/common-anti-fungal-medication-has-cancer-fighting-properties.html

    Comparative assessment of the inhibition of recombinant human CYP19 (aromatase) by azoles used in agriculture and as drugs for humans.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15554355
     

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Chili, It's exciting right?

    If an antifungal kills cancer cells......what must cancer cells be????

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Sheila, I read the article regarding stem cells.  It's got my brain "ticking" as well.  I had to really focus in on this and study it as stem cells aren't something I'm really familiar with.  I looked into stem cells first than tried to grasp this study. 

    Here are my thoughts and questions....

    The article states: CSCs (cancer stem cells) have been found to be resistant to conventional chemotherapy and are thought to "lie in wait" in a dormant state within the tumor microenvironment, even when the major bulk of non-CSC tumor cells are killed by the therapy.

    What other cells are thought to "lie in wait in a dormant state?"

    The article says: a number of labs have harvested and studied CSCs from virtually every major type of cancer. In vitro, CSCs grow as three-dimensional cellular aggregates, called spheroids, ranging up to 300 microns in diameter.... Breast cancer progenitor cells with stem-like properties, an invasive phenotype, and the propensity to form spheroids have recently been isolated for the first time from human breast premalignant lesions.

    Breast cancer cells in a spherical form have been isolated for the first time in human's premaligmant lesions?  Could this be "premalignant" because the fungi are in their "yeast" phase?

    I posted this link because it best describes in layman terms the life of a fungus and how the "yeast" form is spherical or a spheroid.  There are more scientific articles that describe this feature...just type spheroid fungus in your internet search engine, if anyone wants to see "legitimate sources.".

    http://www.fungusfocus.com/html/fungus_general_info.htm

    Article: It is possible to monitor CSC division by treatment with PKH26 fluorescent dye prior to transplantation.....Moreover, BCSCs show an enhanced PKH26 dye-retaining capacity, providing an indirect measure of dormancy. PKH26 dye binds irreversibly to cell membranes and it is divided among daughter cells only when a cell undergoes division. The less the cells divide, the less dye is lost. A higher dye content may be a means of identifying quiescent BCSCs.[6]

    Not sure how relavant it is but they also use this type of dye (PKH26) to stain and monitor fungal cells. It stains the cell wall and doesn't wash away. (I think they call it "acid fast" when the stain doesn't wash away after it's been applied)

    Once CSCs have been triggered to emerge, they respond to external stimuli, proliferate, and recapitulate the original histomorphology of the tumor...many have postulated that CSCs are transformed normal stem cells.... a neoplastic genetic lesion can occur during cell division. Such an occurrence induces a tumor with a phenotype that is frozen in the differentiated state of the original stem cell or progenitor cell that sustained the genetic carcinogenic hit

    Yes...Cancer stem cells (CSCs) are "normal stem cells" that have been transformed by a fungus...it now becomes a hybrid stem cell that has the traits of both a human cell and a fungal cell.

    Article: The World Health Organization has classified 30 morphologic types of breast cancer on the basis of histology and molecular alterations.

    30 morphologic types?  Could this be morphologic because of the fungi? 

    They are basically saying that cancer stem cells remain after therapy and lie dormant to return again. If they can find a way to kill the stem cells as well as the regular cells they can keep cancer from returning.....

    Fungal cells have the ablility to become resistant to therapy.  I wonder if they find a way to kill the fungus completely, stem cells and all, by maybe rotating antifungal treatments combined with a change to the environment they're living in (ie- our diets), if the "cancer" would completely go away.   Maybe they go dormant then reemerge more virulent because they have morphed. It's kind of a "what doesn't kill them makes them stronger" sort of thing.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    After re-reading the link I posted above, I wanted to re-post it here.  Sometimes when a post is long, things get lost within it and some of us tend to just scan over them.  It's title is Fungus and Yeast, General Information.  It's written in a way that's very understandable to us, the lay person, about fungi and it's abilities.  It doesn't talk about a cancer fungus-link, however, it helps to understand how fungi can affect us. For those of us interested in this theory, I think it goes a long way.

    http://www.fungusfocus.com/html/fungus_general_info.htm

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited January 2011

    Hi impositive,

    You said, "If an antifungal kills cancer cells......what must cancer cells be????"  This seems to be the main premise of your theory that cancer is fungus, since you've repeated it multiple times.

    Do you know what a logical fallacy is?   It's an error of logic.  There are LOTS of substances that can kill cancer cells, but it's illogical to therefore claim they are equivalent to cancer cells. What about kerosene?  Antiemetics?  Mineral spirits?  Dish soap? Antidiarrhetics?  Kool-Aid?  They probably all would kill cancer cells, so by your logic, cancer cells must be... vomit? paint? grease? diarrhea? rust? dirt?

  • Janeluvsdogs
    Janeluvsdogs Member Posts: 242
    edited February 2011

    Thanks, Imp, for pointing to that article specifically.

    I'm concerned with what "hosts" the fungi grow on. I have seen fungus grow on a dead earthworm and, had candida after taking antibiotics to kill off the bacteria. Presumably, they need a dead host to live on in the right conditions (moist, dark, etc.).

    Then, as the article says, the fungi themselves produce toxins. So there are least three levels of disease going on, right???? dead bacteria--> fungus--> toxins. It seems like an ecosystem for disease especially as the article points out the fungi embed the cells.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    thenewme, I believe you missed the "logic" boat on this one.  Let me make this a little simpler so you might understand.

    you say: "There are LOTS of substances that can kill  cancer cells, but it's illogical to therefore claim they are equivalent to cancer cells."

    No one's claiming the substances that killcancer cells are equivalent to cancer....If I had a runny brown substance coming from my rectum and I took an anti-diarrhetic...and it stopped my "problem".....it would be safe to assume that I had diarrhea!

    Antibiotics kill bacteria, right?  They do not kill virus, right?  Therefore, if you have an illness of unknown etiology, say maybe a sore throat....you administer an antibiotic and the illness isn't cured.  Logic would tell you it's probably not bacterial.  Most likely viral....Now if we had an anti-viral medication and we tried that...and the sore throat were cured....it would be logical to say the infection we had would've been a viral one.

    Now, if we have an illness of unknown etiology (cancer) and we administer an anti-fungal medication and the cancer goes away...it would be logical to say cancer is a fungus.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Jane, you said: Presumably, they need a dead host to live on in the right conditions Fungi are opportunistic. 

    Not necessarily...Fungi are opportunistic.  They not only live on dead things but they will take advantage of any situation where they can thrive.  (A nice warm, wet, nutrient filled environment.)  Fungi have been found on plants that are not dead but alive!  Think of the common rose disease called "black spot".  This is a fungal infection of the plant.  You see black spots all over the surface of the leaf.  The spots eventually grow and join, unless treated.  The leaf will turn yellow and fall off.  If enough of them fall off the plant will die.

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited January 2011

    Hi impositive,

    You said, "Now, if we have an illness of unknown etiology (cancer) and we administer an anti-fungal medication and the cancer goes away...it would be logical to say cancer is a fungus."

    That illustrates my point exactly!  Substitute "anti-diarrheal" for "anti-fungal" in your theory above:

    Now, if we have an illness of unknown etiology (cancer) and we administer an anti-diarrheal medication and the cancer goes away...it would be logical to say cancer is diarrhea.

    Do you see what I mean? It's a logical fallacy. 

  • digger
    digger Member Posts: 590
    edited January 2011

    Um, so let me get this "logic" straight.  If one is able to find a study somewhere that seems to show that an anti-fungal "killed" a cancer in a couple of instances and made it "go away," then voila, that of course points to the cause of cancer in humans that all those naysayers and big, bad establishment researchers and scientists have missed!!!  Like duh, why hasn't anyone else been looking for the underlying "cause" of cancer?!!!!  Because it's right in front of everyone's noses and they're just too stupid to see it?!!   

    Impositive, and I know this is personal, but can you watch out how you use your its and it's?   When you are referring to the possessive, you use its, not it's.  Sorry it's just hard to take you seriously from a scientific perspective when the grammar is consistently so illogical, so to speak.  

    But wait, let me make it simpler so you can understand it:

    It's title is Fungus and Yeast, General Information.  It's written in a way that's very understandable to us, the lay person, about fungi and it's abilities.  

    It should read "Its title..... its abilities." 

  • bevin
    bevin Member Posts: 1,902
    edited January 2011

    HI, has anyone on this thread read the China Experiment.  Its a great book, written by Doctors who did major research in China. basically finding our western lifestyle , food etc increase our nations cancer rate.  They found through very controlled and well respected studies, that changing what our bodies, eat and take in can in many cases reverse many cancers.  Worth a read. A bit dry and technical but understandable to the lay person.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Thanks for the lesson in grammar, digger.  You'll notice that I dont use the apostrophe in DONT either.  It IS because I AM a lazy typist, not because I dont know my apostrophe and punctuation rules.  AND yes, that is personal....I guess since you cant come out on top in our disagreements about the fungal theory, you need to criticize my punctuation. I bet I HAVE mis-spelled some words along the way too!

    tsk, tsk....

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Does anyone else get thenewme's point?????

  • Claire82
    Claire82 Member Posts: 684
    edited January 2011

    digger

    "Because it's right in front of everyone's noses and they're just too stupid to see it?!!"

    You need a comma after noses. It's a compound sentence.   

  • digger
    digger Member Posts: 590
    edited January 2011

    Oohhhh, impositive, I think that's what it's all about.  You are bound and determined to come out "on top" of those big, bad established people.  Just make sure not to hurt yourself in the meantime, because believe it or not, I do worry about you, and I worry about your not understanding, on a truly basic level, just how crazy and beastly cancer is. It's unpredictable, it's nasty, and wouldn't it be nice if there were such a simple solution.  That's what we all want to believe, that we have control over this beast. 

    Claire82, was that grammar okay?   

  • Janeluvsdogs
    Janeluvsdogs Member Posts: 242
    edited January 2011

    People attack grammar when they can't find anything else.

    What ever happened to the person who thought we caught hubris?

  • Claire82
    Claire82 Member Posts: 684
    edited January 2011

    3 mistakes

    I am an English teacher, and I rarely use punctuation or bother to look at others. To me, this is more of writing as you speak; no punctuation necessary.

    I was just trying to make a point. When you start pointing out minuscule mistakes, people stop posting.

    Maybe that's what you were heading towards...

    enough said

  • digger
    digger Member Posts: 590
    edited January 2011

    Actually, there's a grammar textbook at Walmart as well....that's such a lame excuse....the fungal theory is true because someone remarked on someone else's grammar?  And I'm sorry, I was unaware you could catch hubris, but wait, maybe you can catch a fungus? 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Hi Biven, I've heard a lot of good things about it.  I have also heard people say negative things about it.  I haven't read it so I cant really comment, I just wanted to welcome you here.

  • Janeluvsdogs
    Janeluvsdogs Member Posts: 242
    edited February 2011

    Actually, you can catch hubris from superfluous apostrophes. Thus, the nasty, painful rash. Really, the Walmart cream will cure your hubris!

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    "but wait, maybe you can catch a fungus"

    Now your thinking digger!

  • digger
    digger Member Posts: 590
    edited January 2011

    It's really hard to take anyone seriously, impositive, when you can't figure out how to spell and blame it on the computer and your big rush to type everything in...

    I'm out of here....may the fungal force be with everyone....

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