The Fungal Theory

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ROTFLMAO

This is really an entertaining thread.  Thanks all.

impositive

I'm sorry you cant take this serious, digger because this is of grave important to me.  So much so that I spend a large part of every day thinking about my cancer.  You can criticize and poke fun and we can disagree.  You can go on with your conventional therapy administered by those "big bad established people" as you call them and I will continue to trust my gut.  I will keep studying and putting my thoughts down here.  You and thenewme can poke your heads in and duck out as often as you like but I would appreciate it if you would have some respect for the women here, including myself.  We all have enough tension in our lives without having to deal with snide, offensive comments.    

Janeluvsdogs

Imp, trolls like to come over here to poke us because they are insecure about their own choices.

I feel sorry for them. None of us goes over to the mainstream threads and says, um, your therapy is just theoretical. They need to believe their therapies are proven.

You are the Imp, you are strong! You go, girl!

Hindsfeet

Impositive...you are doing a great job here! I appreciate your committment to find out what, why, and how we can get rid of the fungus in us You know, as is on your thread, the three stages are, what is new is ridiculed, violently opposed, and finally accepted as self evident. 

Impositive, in response to an earlier thread in regard to how fungus merges with our cells, via virus or bacteria, toxins. acidity environment, or etc. What it seems to me is the yeast is ever present in our body. When a lesion happens due to acidity, for example, too much acid can cause sores in our body. For example, when I eat too many tomatoes, I get canker sores, which is a type of lesion. How do we know such lesions can't happen elsewhere in our body. Toxins, metals or chemicals can also cause lesions...perhaps viruses and bacteria as well, like H Plyoria and HP virus. 

Once the lesion happens the ever present yeast then enters the human cells and BINGO... it happens. Yeast and the human cells merge, giving birth as you said to a new baby, CANCER. But, our immune system, most of the time kill off these cells. So...when the immune system is weakened it can no longer fight cancer and tumors happen.

So...I'm trying to simplify this seemingly very complex topic in my head.What I've just shared is an opinion only. It is what I understand up to this point. I'm open. Grammer and spelling is not my forte. I would like to think that any lay person coming to BCO is welcome, and supported. We are merely expressing our opinons, study and experiences in a discussion forum. 

Brother_Pablo

All I can say is "Wow" to all of you amazing women that have posted on this thread. I just found this site early today because my sister was recently diagnosed w/ stage 1 BC and I wanted to try to educate myself and find an answer to a question I have.

This entire thread was/is fascinating and I am truly amazed by the thoughtfulness, insight, candidness and wealth you all respectfully present. I have learned so much and I wish you all health in your search for cures.

I would just like to add a personal and sort of slightly related anecdote regarding the curative nature of baking soda and apple cider vinegar. This may sound crazy but please stay with me for a moment.

My 89 year old Italian Mom has always preached the benefits of baking soda and ACV. For a couple of years I had a hearing loss on one side from some sort of inflamation.  After having it so long I thought it would be that way forever. Recently Mom was telling me about the method of washing one's hair with baking soda followed by an apple cider rinse. I started doing it and many times some of the baking soda and/or ACV would get in my ear.  Very soon after my hearing came back 100%.  Of course this could be coincidence. But, after reading these posts about fungis I am thinking that perhaps that is what was happening with my ear.

This sounds so trivial as I write this when I know you are all dealing with things much more serious.  

What I take from my experience is that many simple remedies can possibly be quite beneficial.

chillipadi

Don't shoot the messenger. It took a lot of guts for Impositive to start this thread. Remember that many great discoveries happened because of people who thought out of the box and asked "what if?". Because of Impostive's thread, I started doing my own research on the subject and then decided to stop the antibiotics I had been put on for more than a year. I started using an antifungal powder on my lesions instead, as well as added antifungal foods to my diet.

Well, all I know is that those lesions have been disintegrating since I embarked on this antifungal approach. Last night, little pieces crumbled in my hands as I was washing my breast. Mounds here and there have been caving in and flattening out. Clusters of lesions are visibly reducing. The one good thing about having tumors which have broken through the skin is that you can very easily monitor whether treatments work.

Another interesting fact is that there's no more pain in my breast. I used to feel sharp, stabbing or even squeezing pains several times a day when the tumors were growing. There's been no pain for at least a week now.

As I have said before, I don't know whether this retreat in my cancer can be primarily attributed to antifungal therapy, as I'm doing so many other things. But the timing seems uncanny. By the way, I added Reishi / Lingzhi / Ganoderma mushroom cracked spores capsules a few days ago, as this mushroom is a powerful immune system booster and antifungal, amongst other things.

I have learnt through reading various medical articles and reports that conventional cancer treatment cannot cure cancer which has broken through the skin so extensively. At best, allopathic medicine (including radiotherapy and surgery) can only try to manage it. Even my radiation oncologist admitted that her approach in cases like mine was mainly palliative. So I cannot just sit around hoping that conventional treatment will cure me. It can't. So say what you want about the Fungal Theory, but I'm willing to give it a fair chance because medicine today is limited in how much it can help me. So far, the last fortnight has been encouraging.

PABLO - thanks for sharing your experience with baking soda and apple cider vinegar. Knowledge is power, so this is not trivial at all. The more we know, the better. 

MarieKelly

 impositive wrote:  If an antifungal kills cancer cells......what must cancer cells be????

Antibiotics kill cancer cells. So following Impositives's line of logic, does that mean that cancer cells are bacteria?

agada

Hello,

Yeast CAN start growth in aerobic conditions moving on to anaerobic growth.  We routinely grow yeast on agar plates that are not sealed for anaerobic growth.  I hope you choose a holistic as well as a conventional approach to your cancer. Look into this more.  It appears you have done some research already but I think more is needed.

Agada

luv_gardening

Spelling... Getting on my soapbox now.  My eldest son started out doing a double degree in maths and computer science which requires a high level of logic, but his spelling is atrocious. He debates using critical thinking skills and some of that has rubbed off on me though I could never follow those logic maths equations.  Likewise my youngest can quickly fill a page with HTML code but struggles to string more than a few written words together.  No one would dream of stopping them from continuing their studies till they went back to school to learn spelling.

English spelling came about when the first dictionaries were compiled using known spellings, thereby setting in concrete ridiculous non phoenetic words that serve only to make life difficult for school children and adults.  In one piece of research they set out to find out why England had many more children with dyslexia than Italy.  They found that the learning abilities were the same range for both countries but as Italian is phoenetic, the children could keep up better and didn't become failures and drop outs.

So my hope is that a new generation of young people will reject conventional spelling and use a more phoenitic style that gradually becomes the norm so that dictionaries are forced to follow common usage and our language challenged children don't have to feel like failures through no fault of their own.

luv_gardening

 Imp, you said;

"Now, if we have an illness of unknown etiology (cancer) and we administer an anti-fungal medication and the cancer goes away...it would be logical to say cancer is a fungus."

That might be common logic but it's not factual and is in fact a logical fallacy as thenewme stated.  It doesn't take away from your good work trying to figure out any link between fungus and cancer, but one does not prove the other.  If you study logic formally you will see this is a very basic and obvious error which could result in you chasing a red herring and wasting your very valuable time and enthusiasm.

If you took a chemotherapy designed specifically to kill BC and your red blood count dropped, you wouldn't say the chemo had killed the red cells therefore they must be cancer.

The anti-fungals may kill other non fungal cells as a "side effect" . I believe anti-fungals can damage our kidneys or liver but they aren't a fungus. So there is no proof either way whether the anti-fungal has worked because cancer is a fungus or whether it's working on some other common ground or some completely different pathway.

Please don't be put off by this one error as I believe you are doing important work and I wish the detractors would be more respectful and less over dramatic with their dire warnings. If conventional treatments cured cancer they could dictate that we not try anything else, but they cannot cure cancer and it's sheer arrogance and bad logic to say standard of care is the only way as it uses proven research methods, if the results are 99% death rate for stage IV and the vast majority of those had standard treatment for early BC but still progressed.

To our detractors, in the USA there are 200,000 new cases a year and 40,000 deaths.  The ratios are the same in Australia, Canada, UK etc.  That's one in five of us here who are going to die from BC.  Most of us have had traditional treatments under the care of an oncologist.  Once the onco's have had their turn, let us do what we will with our own lives please.

luv_gardening

Imp and Barry, I want to tell you something rather unsavoury.  I was doing a google search years ago and clicked on a link to a forum where a man had some useful health information, but then out of the blue, in this same post he said that one day there would be proud pedophile marches through the streets just the same as a gay pride march now.  He thought that just as gays had once been shunned and are now accepted, so pedophiles would eventually be accepted. (No mention of the gross abuse and destruction of children's lives). Then he said that  "All truth goes through 3 stages: First it is ridiculed, then it is violently opposed, and finally it is widely accepted as self evident."

So I think you'll understand why that saying makes my stomach churn and my skin crawl.  Just typing this out makes me want to throw up.  Unfortunately just because something is ridiculed and violently opposed doesn't make it a self-evident truth.  In fact most will turn out to be violently opposed for a very good reason.  Also many truths have been accepted from the start.   I think critical thinkers mostly cringe at that saying because it is both factually incorrect and has been used to justify many untruths and unsavoury practices.  Perhaps a more inspiring saying would give you more credibility to match your inspiring search and hard work. 

Who said those words anyway, and in regard to what?

Hindsfeet

Thank you Sheila...I had no idea where that saying came from.  I have heard similiar saying meaning that when anything new is thrown out to the public that it is often rejected before embraced.

impositive

sheila,  In a previous post, I presented the story of Galileo who was jailed for saying the earth was round.  In his case, he was later vindicated but he was certainly ridiculed and opposed in the beginning.  The quote in question has been attributed to Arthur Schopenhauer a German Philosopher and seemingly very critical thinker.  It is a quote that I felt applied in this case but certainly not to everything anyone has ever labeled as truth (such as pedophiles). A similar quote has also been attributed to Gandhi; "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."  

Besides speaking of truth, I have also been known to say "think for yourselves ladies!"  Therefore, I thought the following (also attributed to Schopenhauer) might be appropriate;  "Truth that has been merely learned is like an artificial limb, a false tooth, a waxen nose; at best, like a nose made out of another's flesh; it adheres to us only ‘because it is put on. But truth acquired by thinking of our own is like a natural limb; it alone really belongs to us. This is the fundamental difference between the thinker and the mere man of learning."  I thought that one was rather appropriate but a little long to attach as my signature.  

It's unfortunate that this quote in my signature makes you want to vomit.  The thing is, I've heard many evil people quote the bible but that doesn't turn me off the bible quote itself and I do believe the quote applies in this case. 

The bible also says my people perish for lack of knowledge.  I like that one as well but I think the current quote is certainly a better fit..  

impositive

Logic...is a form of critical thinking, of reasoning.  A "tool" for distinguishing from true and false.  There is inductive reasoning or educated guessing...which takes a specific observation and makes a generalized conclusion.  Then there is deductive reasoning,  which can be valid or invalid, sound or unsound but never true or false.  These are all methods of gaining knowledge. If I erred in my statement, please forgive me.  I am simply gathering information here and making observations.  If that, along with some punctuation errors, are the only mistakes I've made then I'm doing quite well, right? (JK!). 

Sheila, you said, "The anti-fungals may kill other non fungal cells as a "side effect."  If antifungals were killing my cancer as a "side effect" that would be good enough for me. We need to find something  that works. You also said you believe antifungals can harm your liver and kidneys.  That is most likely something you've heard but not necessarily researched.  Not all antifungals list liver toxicity as a side effect.  There are some however, that need to be monitored for their effects on the liver.  On the other hand, a good majority of chemo drugs are very toxic and can induce a wide array of horrific side effects.  Given the choice, antifungals or chemo, both of which kill fungal/cancer cells, I will choose antifungals.    

You said, "Most of us have had traditional treatments under the care of an oncologist.  Once the onco's have had their turn, let us do what we will with our own lives please" 

Well said.

impositive

Hi agada, Welcome!  It sounds like you know a little about the subject since you mentioned the aerobic and anaerobic abilities of fungus.  What is your take on this whole "theory"? 

Most of us here have combined conventional with alternative treatments, although I didn't take advantage of everything conventional medicine "has to offer'.  I chose to take a little from both modalities based on what I've learned in my search.  My "quest" will continue on as long as cancer is a part of my life.  Thanks for posting.

thenewme

Hi janeluvsdogs,

I have some time on my hands this morning, so I thought I'd just express my opinion in this open discussion forum.

You said:

"Imp, trolls like to come over here to poke us because they are insecure about their own choices." (Do you really believe that presenting/discussing facts and challenging misinformation is "poking?")

"I feel sorry for them. None of us goes over to the mainstream threads and says, um, your therapy is just theoretical. They need to believe their therapies are proven."  (Wow, really?  One quick search of your posting history pretty much says it all.)

"You are the Imp, you are strong!"  (Interesting word choice.  Per Merriam-Webster, the word imp means obsolete, a small demon, or a mischievous child.)

thenewme

Hi impositive,

Clorox bleach kills fungus.  Do you think it's a good idea to drink it to cure your cancer?

Claire82

Thats pretty much what chemo does - poisons and burns

thenewme

Hi SheilaEchidna,

Thanks for your rational discussion!  However, I think part of the trouble is that there is a mistaken belief that those of us "naysayers" believe in conventional ONLY or standard-of-care ONLY approaches.  That's just not true.  It's also not true that "we" try to dictate what therapy anyone chooses.  

Speaking for myself, of course, I try to correct MISinformation.  You (general you) can believe whatever you want and I sincerely wish everyone the absolute best in whatever treatment modalities they choose.  It's when people post nonsense and untruths and dangerous advice in some odd effort to establish themselves as experts on a subject in which they clearly aren't, that I tend to react.  

thenewme

Hi Claire,

You said, "Thats pretty much what chemo does - poisons and burns"

Yep!  As if that's a *bad* thing, LOL! 

thenewme

Hi impositive,

Does every substance that kills fungus have the potential to cure/treat/prevent cancer?

otter

Hi... otter here, just popping in with the answer to a question asked upstream.  It's been an interesting morning, so far....

Re:  "All truth goes through 3 stages: First it is ridiculed, then it is violently opposed, and finally it is widely accepted as self evident."

The statement in Impositive's sig line is apparently a near-exact quote of something said by the 19th-century German/Polish philosopher, Arthur Schopenhauer.   Several "famous quotes" websites (e.g., http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Arthur_Schopenhauer/ and http://www.quotesandpoem.com/quotes/showquotes/author/arthur-schopenhauer/697 ) claim this is what he said (not that there's much difference):

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Not wanting to do another load of laundry yet, I decided to dig a little deeper to see what else ol' Arthur had said that might be quoteworthy.  First, here's a biography:  http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/schopenhauer/

Turns out, he had quite a lot to say.  The son of a wealthy merchant, Arthur was able to retire when most of us are just finishing school.  He dabbled unsuccessfully at several jobs and then went to college, finally settling down with a career in Philosophy. Of all the things he thought about, I found his comments about women most interesting.  Here is an excerpt from "Schopenhauer on Women" (http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/v1/2005/SchopenhauerWomen.htm):

"Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex: for it is with this drive that all its beauty is bound up. More fittingly than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling or receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please."

Heh heh.  I guess it's okay to pick-and-choose our favorite quotes, though.  And, I'm in agreement that fresh, new ideas are often ignored at first, if not derided.  That's especially true if they're up against a well-established, long-held "truth".

That said, I do like this quote by Daniel Patrick Moynihan (http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/219349.Daniel_Patrick_Moynihan).  It's on my "favorites" list:  "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."

BTW, I am also having some difficulty with the leap-of-logic that makes cancer cells = fungal cells because both can be killed by anti-fungal drugs.  The problem with that logic is that it doesn't explore deeply enough. It doesn't take into account the many similarities between fungal cells and all human cells -- not just cancer cells.  Or, more accurately, the similarities between fungal cells and the cells of all other eukaryotic organisms (plants, animals, fungi, protists).  See http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/alllife/eukaryotamm.html for a review.

Anyway, I would like to explain how a compound can be toxic to the cells of two different life forms, without the necessity of assuming that the "different" life forms must actually be the same.  Some toxic compounds have broad-spectrum activity, because different life forms share the same metabolic pathways or molecular skeletons that are the target for the compounds (e.g., the herbicide Paraquat, or the molluscicide copper sulfate).  But, each time I've tried to write something up, it's turned into a thesis. And now I'm late for lunch.

otter

otter

May I have a follow-up, please?  This has been such an active thread, but it's been awfully quiet since I made that last post.

I didn't intend in any way to make light of the quotation Impositive has in her sig line.  As I said, I believe it to be a true statement -- we can all think of examples of "truths" that have progressed through those 3 stages.  Someone upstream wondered where that quotation had originated, and I was curious; so I looked it up.  The material I found from "Schopenhauer on Women" was stunning.  Disgusting.  I tossed it in here because -- and I'm serious -- I wanted to offer something Arthur Schopenhauer said that is absurdly (hilariously) outdated.

As for the stuff about eukaryotic cells, antifungal compounds, etc., what I was explaining in my post is not bad news at all.  The fact that fungal cells and animal cells have so many features in common is the reason why compounds that are toxic to fungi might also be toxic to animal cells (including human tumor cells). 

Itraconazole is a terrific example.  I know y'all have already discussed itraconazole on this forum, right?  There was a flurry of reports that came out about it in 2007 (e.g., http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070427120221.htm :  "Possible New Cancer Treatment? Antifungal Drug Stops Blood Vessel Growth"); and another burst of interest this past year (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63B64L20100412 :  "Cheap antifungal drug may fight cancer: study").

Anyway, I wasn't trolling.  I promise.  I just wanted to broaden the perspective a bit.

otter

luv_gardening

Hi Otter, You're well loved on this alt forum and not in the least offensive.  You've expanded on what I said, that the anti fungals may work because cancer cells and anti fungals share something in common OR there may be nothing in common but just coincidence that they work on both.  Thanks for putting some facts to that.  My point was that there may be several reasons why they kill cancer cells so no conclusion can be drawn. Thanks also for putting a name to that quote.

I realise now (I'm so slow at times) that the key word in the quote is TRUTH.  So many people use the quote to try and give credence to ridiculous theories that I've really tired of it.  My son always says only mathematics can claim the truth.  Everything else is theory, even the most long standing and obvious truths may turn out to have another explanation.  So before using the quote people need to be sure they have something close to truth.

Thenewme, a lot of what you say is correct and within current scientific understanding, and I realise you use alternative medicine too, but there's obviously something about the way you write things that upsets people.  Also your posts seem to attract some rude and ill informed people who somehow get the courage from your posts to come on this alternative section and blast us all as if we have no feelings. The detractors never upset me, I just find it funny and also sad that they may missing out on something, but that's life.

luv_gardening

Imp, you said,

I am simply gathering information here and making observations.  

Precisely, that's exactly how I'm reading your posts, and I'm enjoying the enthusiasm and thrill of seeing new ideas being explored.  However when you come to conclusions, if they aren't within the bounds of logic then they will attract the naysayers.  Maybe you could modify your language to say .. maybe... It could point to... I wonder if that could mean...  etc.  Oh No, that won't work either.  The naysayers would still pounce.  LOL.  It seems we can't have any different thoughts no matter how we express them without the thought police getting upset.  I guess our parents and schools are so intent on teaching "facts" that they forget to encourage original thought and experimentation.  (Just like your artificial or natural limb quote)

An Imp is a mischievous child? well maybe an imp can stir things up enough to make people question their assumptions about cancer and get them off the chemo/rads treadmill.

Anyway, I feel a lot better about your quote now I can associate it with this discussion rather than that awful man.

char123

Hi thenewme:  I have to honestly say, I have always been a clorox freak and I have wondered if it did have something to do with my diagnosis.

And to all of the brave people who post on this thread: It is very interesting and fasinating to hear what you all have brought to this table, I hope you all continue to bring it on, because if you do and others add to it, we will have the answer to the fungal theroy...

impositive

Brother_ Pablo, Everyone needs a brother like you!  

Interesting, some ear infections and most chronic sinus infections (93%, according to Mayo Clinic Preceedings, Sept 1999) do have a fungal link. Your baking soda and ACV are known natural antifungals so they very well could have cured your infection.

Just wanted to say welcome.  This thread is quite controversial, as you can see but it makes it interesting, right?  Glad you're here!.

impositive

Wow, I'm a little black and blue from this beating, ouch!  I had to go back and read my post again to try and determine what brought this on.  Sheila pointed out that maybe I should modify my wording.  If you all look back through my posts, I typically use words like perhaps...maybe....just my thoughts....I was wondering....so, you all just pounced because I made this statement that if antifungals kill cancer....what must cancer be???  Yikes!  I will be sure and watch my wording as Sheila suggested. 

Those of you who have criticized the "quote" in my signature....again, yikes!  I like quotes!  What can I say? I have a Hippocrates quote on my kitchen wall and several inspirational quotes in my gym. When I find one I like, I dont really research who said it, sometimes they touch me or inspire me in a certain way and they "stick".  Otter, I had never read what Schopenhauer said regarding women but I agree, it is rather disgusting.  Again, I didnt search out the man for his quotes, rather I had read a quote and liked its connotation. 

Those who berated me for my punctuation errors....even though it was a personal stab, I get it...it's kind of like when my children used to argue...when one made a point that the other couldnt intelligently argue, the latter would say, "Oh well, youre ugly!"  The "imp" stab?  Well we all know that was an abbreviation  of impositive by another of us lazy typists.  So all I have to say is "children behave!"  I haven't suggested anyone do anything dangerous so you needn't worry so much thenewme.  Your posts are obviously meant to goad those you target and many members here have sent me PMs saying I should just put you on ignore. I have resisted but I am seeing that they are probably right.  Nothing good can come from these kinds of posts.

Having said all that, Sheila, Otter and MarieKelly...I have read your posts here and on other threads and you seem like great people so I hope you continue to come here to add your thoughts.  It's not possible to figure all this out without opposing views.

Which brings me to MarieKelly's post...You said antibiotics kill cancer cells.  Which antibiotics are you referring to?  The reason I ask is, most antibiotics are produced by certain fungi or bacteria and that would kind of fall into my thinking as to how....say medicinal mushrooms may work.  As I mentioned in a previous post, fungi produce mycotoxins or have other unique ways of competing for their survival. So what I'm getting at is if antibiotics are mycotoxins, maybe they use the same mechanism to kill cancer cells.  If antibiotics can kill cancer cells, I wonder why they aren't using them in treatment.     

Otter, you wrote: BTW, I am also having some difficulty with the leap-of-logic that makes cancer cells = fungal cells because both can be killed by anti-fungal drugs,  If that were the only statement I had made here linking fungus and cancer, I could see the point you are making but there is so much more in this thread and elsewhere that link the two.  I have spent countless hours exploring this theory and that is why I feel so passionate about delving into it further.

You said you wanted to explain how a compound can be toxic to two different life forms.  Maybe you haven't read back through the thread (I dont blame you, it can be daunting to go back over so many pages of posts) but this is actually another point I have previously made regarding antifungals.  Chemo, as we know is toxic to ALL cells, human and fungal and cancer.  I heard a pharmaceutical salesman (who sold chemo drugs to doctors) once say that in a training lecture they were told that chemo drugs (in general) are very toxic and there is a fine line when treating a patient.  The key is for the chemo to kill the cancer before it kills the patient.  Chemo is also used to fight fungal infections in some cases because as you said, a compound can be toxic to more than one like form.  However, antifungals do not kill human cells...but they kill fungal cells and, as it has been mentioned, cancer cells. So I guess that's where my "inductive reasoning" came in, I suppose.  As Sheila said, it may be a coincidence that antifungals kill cancer cells and fungal cells but not human cells but that is where science comes in.  I have said this before...I wish more were researching to see if it's just a coincidence.  I have read articles written by doctors or researchers that say, "Antifungals are killing the cancer cells, we just dont know the mechanism behind it."  Well, I say, "Let's keep looking.  If you have found something that kills cancer, let's find out why!!"  It really baffles me that they can send a rocket ship to the moon but they cant find the CAUSE and therefore CURE of cancer.  They can only come up with more drugs to treat it.  Anyway, thanks for your input.  Thoughtful perspective is truly appreciated. 

Sheila said, My son always says only mathematics can claim the truth.  Everything else is theory, even the most long standing and obvious truths may turn out to have another explanation.

I love that!  Very insightful.  You must be very proud of your son.  (Still like my signature though. Hee Hee)

You also said: Thenewme...your posts seem to attract some rude and ill informed people who somehow get the courage from your posts to come on this alternative section and blast us all as if we have no feelings.

Once again, I have to say well said.

And btw....detractors....great word!  Very appropriate.

thenewme

Hi impositive,

I think the suggestion for you to put me on "ignore" is a great one.  In case you aren't ignoring me yet, I'm still wondering 

Does every substance that kills fungus have the potential to cure/treat/prevent cancer?

I also wonder whether you realize that the quote you've chosen as your motto automatically raises huge red flags for logical thinkers.  By using that particular quote, you're necessarily attaching a big bullseye to yourself.  Just sayin'

thenewme

Hi Otter - Interesting info about the source of quotes and the other various apropos quotes!  Wow, that Shopenhauer guy sounds like a real gem, LOL!  I'd never accuse you of trolling - I love your posts and welcome your broadened perspectives, and I certainly appreciate your research and insight!

Hi hoist123 -  if you care to share, what make you think Clorox was the cause of your cancer, and how does it mesh with the cancer-is-fungus theory?