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  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    chillipadi, how good to see an update...I had been wondering how things were going.  Glad to see you're having some success!  I took a look at your blog...pretty impressvie stuff!  Good wishes, as always.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2011

    I heard back from one of my friends who has been on the yeast free diet and anti-fungal supplements that I suggested she take. She has had constant vaginal yeast infections. Finally the yeast infection is gone!

  • mathteacher
    mathteacher Member Posts: 243
    edited March 2011

    I know this question is not strictly about fungus, but many of you have read widely and I wonder if somewhere in the fungus world you've seen anything about shingles. Many breast cancer patients here on BCO seem to report having the shingles virus. I'm wondering if fungus might make a good environment for shingles or some other explanation.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2011

    Have you heard of this treatment? Hmmm...



    FDA Approves New Treatment for Fungal Infections



    The Food and Drug Administration approved Eraxis™ (anidulafungin) to treat certain infections caused by Candida, a yeast-like fungus that can cause serious infections in hospitalized patients or patients with compromised immune systems.



    "This product offers a new alternative therapy for several types of infections associated with Candida", said Dr. Steven Galson, director of the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research. "It is a helpful addition to the available antifungal medications that can be used in the treatment of these potentially serious fungal conditions."



    Eraxis, a new molecular entity that has never been marketed in the United States, is an antifungal drug that is administered intravenously, and is used to treat Candida infections in the esophagus (candidiasis), blood stream (candidemia), and other forms of Candida infections, including abdominal abscesses and peritonitis (inflammation of the lining of the abdominal cavity).



    The safety and efficacy of Eraxis was evaluated in clinical studies and Eraxis was shown to be safe and effective in the treatment of esophageal candidiasis, candidemia, and other Candida infections including abdominal abscesses and peritonitis.



    Eraxis was generally well tolerated in clinical studies. The most commonly reported adverse events were mild diarrhea, mild elevations in laboratory tests of liver enzymes, and headache. Some patients experienced infusion-related reactions, most of which were mild. In a few patients with significant underlying medical conditions who were on multiple concomitant medications, there were reports of serious hepatic abnormalities.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2011


    mathteacher. I do not know if shingles is somehow caused or linked by a yeast infection. We do know that yeast, being an opportunistic disease, multiplies rapidly when the immune system is compromised. I've read that women who are under chemo treatment, because chemo suppresses the immune system, tend to have yeast infections. I've read that those afflicted with shingles also have a weaken immune system. I wonder if those struggling with shingles also have yeast infections?

  • motheroffoursons
    motheroffoursons Member Posts: 333
    edited January 2011

    Shingles is caused by the same virus, zoaster varicelli (SP) that causes chicken pox.  For some reason the chicken pox virus,  in people who may have had cicken pox decades prior, is reactivated and causes shingles.  Common causes are:

    There are a number of things that make re-activation of the virus more likely, including:

    • being elderly
    • period of increased stress
    • a long-term course of steroids
    • having a condition that affects your immune system, such HIV/AIDS or leukaemia
    • chemotherapy or radiotherapy (cancer treatments)
    • medicines used after organ transplants (immunosuppressants)

    If you are 60 or over, your Dr. will recommend you get a shingles vaccination.  They are pricey, like $200 and often the insurance companies make you run around as your Dr.'s office will not carry the vaccine, but the drug store does.  Mine counted as an out of network expense, for which I was never reimbursed.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2011

    motheroffoursons, Welcome back...hope you had a nice vacation.

    Great post on shingles :)

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    I heard about a therapy where your blood is taken and injected into a pregnant cow (through the hole in the nipple so there's supposedly no pain to the cow). The cow makes antibodies to the particular antigen in your blood (in this case, fungus).  Then you drink the raw colostrum from that cow which contains the important antibodies. 

    Has anyone else heard of this?

    It's sort of the same idea as Herceptin (monoclonal antibodies).  It is made from injecting mice with a particular antigen, the mouse then makes antibodies to the antigen.  Those cells are then isolated from the mouse's spleen.  Monoclonal antibodies are then produced by chemically fusing single antibody-forming cells to tumor cells grown in culture. The resulting cell is called a "hybridoma."  They then allow the hybridomas to multiply in culture and there you have monoclonal antibodies.

    Virginia Livingston did this same sort of thing with the patients in her clinic, only she used their own tumors and cultured them.... so they weren't coming from a foreign entity (mouse or cow). 

    It seems the only difference is one is created in a lab and the other on a farm. 

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2011

    Impositive, I thought you might be interested...my thyroid test came back and my TSH is high and the t3 & t4 are low...which is contradicting. My naturalpath doctor is scratching her head if she should raise or lower my prescription. So...I said...that I had read, yeast can latch onto our cells causing our t3 & t4 not to function as well or cause our immune cells to mistakenly attack our t3 & t4 cells. Yeast can cause autoimmune diseases. I thought she might not receive what I said...but she did, sorta. So, I'm being tested now for yeast antibodies in my blood and stools.

    I've decided not to take the diflucan until after surgery. At each lumpectomy surgery, they gave me antibiotics by IV. So prefer taking the anti-fungal med's when it is all said and done.



    Impositive, if you were me would you do surgery? Lumpectomy vs. Mx?

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    I think if you've got a naturalpath the actually listens to you...you should hang on to her.  That's half the battle.  It's great that she's willing to look further.  I'll be interested to know what she finds. 

    I would definitely do surgery.  Although I believe it's fungus, fungi are very formidable and I think it's extremely important to rid your body of the tumor then clean up any strays with the Nystatin and Diflucan AND diet or natural antifungals and diet.  I think diet is just as important as the antifungals in ridding ourselves of these parasites.  Once they have had a chance to take up residence somewhere else is when the battle becomes harder to win so get it out.   

    Lumpectomy vs. Mx....that's such a personal decision and no right or wrong.  If there is only one lump, I suppose I would choose lumpectomy but after 3 or more,  I may say I'm tired of dealing with this, just take them off.  Considering mx when faced with certain circumstance is definitely not out of the question, I just haven't had to face those extremes yet.  Whichever I chose, I would make that decision based on several opinions and much thought and only proceed when I felt confident in my decision.  Sorry if that doesn't help you much.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Indiana had torrential rains back in 2007 and the lower level of our home was flooded. We had it remediated and dried out. A couple of days ago, I did one of those mold tests down there and I was very happy that after 48 hours, still no mold growth. 

    If you suspect your home (or workplace) has ever been exposed to water damage, from something as small as a toilet leak to a ceiling leak or something as serious as flooding of a basement, get a mold test kit.  Just because it's a new home or building doesn't necessarily make it exempt.  I've heard of builders letting the wood framing, etc., of a new home get wet and before giving it time to dry, they enclose it, making for a perfect mold growing environment. 

    Anyone with health problems, be it cancer, autoimmune disease, respiratory problems or any problem where the doctors cant find a cause needs to do this test.  It's only around $10 at home improvement stores like Lowes or Menards

    It just might provide an answer to your health problems. 

  • chillipadi
    chillipadi Member Posts: 151
    edited January 2011
    Hi Imp. Thank you for the kind words. Interesting things have been happening to the tumors on my breast and I saw my onco on Monday, so I have been preoccupied. According to my blood tests, my estrogen levels have not budged in spite of having my first Zoladex injection seven weeks ago. My tumor markers have also risen slightly. Yet, the tumors have been getting soft and squishy, and they’ve been receding.  I have to be extra careful when I shower, because more and more lesions are getting soft and wobbly, and threatening to break off. They range in size from hazelnuts to plums.

    The last couple of times something like this occurred, most of the lesions disappeared and new skin formed. My onco is somewhat sceptical, as my blood tests don’t show that the Zoladex is working yet, so my body is still swimming in estrogen. However, I am still on metronomic chemo plus Tamoxifen, and I have been doing my own complementary / alternative therapies, like losing weight through daily exercise and a mostly vegan diet, juicing daily, eating and drinking alkaline as much as possible and, of course, taking various supplements.

    My DH and I have been wondering whether the Zoladex is finally beginning to work, or whether the anti-fungal measures I’ve been taking recently are behind the regression. The lesions really started receding and getting soft around two weeks ago, when I began to use an anti-fungal powder (active ingredient: clotrimazole) on them, as well as consuming anti-fungal foods like a clove of chopped garlic in a tablespoon of coconut oil twice daily, chased down with manuka honey and apple cider vinegar in cold water.

    In the April 2010 issue of Annals of Oncology, the official journal of the European Society for Medical Oncology and the Japanese Society of Medical Oncology, scientists In Singapore reported that a clinical trial which they conducted showed that an anti-fungal drug, ketoconazole, complements chemotherapy treatment as it blocks an enzyme in the body from breaking down docetaxel, a drug used to treat breast, stomach, lung and prostate cancers. You can read the details in my blog post http://healingpastures.com/2010/06/09/halve-chemo-and-side-effects/
    I wonder if clotrimazole and the other antifungals I’m taking are making the metronomic chemo drugs I’m on now (cyclophosphamide and methotrexate) more effective?

    Just for the record, I’m also taking Neways’ VMM (an immune system booster), Neways’ Hawaiian Noni Juice (anti-tumoral), Neways’ Maximol (liquid vitamins and trace minerals), Doctors Best Muscadine Grape Seed, Source Naturals DIM, Nutricology’s Artemisinin, and cod liver oil. I also brew and drink an anti-cancer and immune system-boosting Chinese herbal tea (I posted on this earlier in this thread). The lesions grew, albeit slowly, while I was on these supplements the last few months, which is why my DH and I suspect that the anti-fungals (added only in the last fortnight) are working synergistically to help everything to work more effectively now.

    If only I could know for sure what’s behind this regression!

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Chilli, Yaaayyyy! It's so good to hear you're having some success and also that there has been no spread beyond your breasts.  I took a look at the article on your blog.  It's interesting...antifungals $7 versus $2000 for the chemo drug, docetaxel.  It says the chemo drug works better with ketoconazole and cuts the costs of the expensive chemo.  Just thinking....I wonder if they were to drop the docetaxel and just try the ketoconazole, if they would have the same results? (Somebodies paycheck might be reduced a bit.)

    What's your doc say about your using the antifungal powder? Is he OK with it?  What does he attribute the recession to?  You know what I (secretly) think.....Wink  Would he be open to the antifungal treatments?  Do you think if you felt strongly enough about giving them a shot....since nothing else has had a huge effect....he would prescribe something like Nystatin (a "gut" antifungal) along with something like Diflucan (a systemic antifungal).  If it were me, I would be very aggressive with my requests, especially if the antifungal powder you're using is helping.

    Sounds like you've got a good regiman going with your natural antifungals, the herbal tea, diet and exercise.  That's the toughest part for me....diet.  A healthy diet is time consuming!  The thing I try to focus on is low carb...no sugar to feed the fungus/cancer!  If that, combined with some of the "big gun" antifungals helps to make my cancer go away...I'm banking that fungus was the cause.     

  • chillipadi
    chillipadi Member Posts: 151
    edited January 2011

    Imp, my onco is a lady who is very much a traditionalist. She thinks I'm a bit "out there" but she's always too polite to say so. If my condition continues to improve, I'll see whether I can talk to her about getting some oral anti-fungal medication next time I see her, which is Valentine's Day. She made no comments when I informed her that I was using an anti-fungal powder on the lesions. I suspect she thinks I'm being a litlle delusional about the lesions receding, as the blood tests don't show that Zoladex is suppressing estrogen production from my ovaries yet. But I see what I see, and I feel what I feel, and those suckers are definitely retreating.

    I read an article recently by a top neurologist which said that many doctors have become too dependant on tests and scans. They've lost the ability to do what doctors in the past used to do - listen, touch, look, observe and even smell. Perhaps that's why my onco is so puzzled. She's also surprised that the cancer does not seem to have spread beyond my breast, as both she and the radiation oncologist say that cases like mine, with extensive lesions on the surface, almost always have metastases to other areas of the body. My husband and I believe that my supplements + healthy lifestyle have kept the cancer from spreading, although they may not have killed the cancer cells outright.

    Having a healthy diet is certainly not easy. I like my carbs, but I try to avoid processed carbs. Going for a 30-minute walk at least once a day and replacing a main meal with salad - or at least having salad be the main item in a meal - really helps. If you're not parttial to salads, adding ingredients like sauteed mushrooms, avocadoes, peaches or apricots, and apples makes it more appetising.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Chili, You are sooo right about doctors or other traditionalists.  It seems when you bring up diet and natural solutions to our health problems, their eyes roll back in their heads and their heads begin to shake, lol.  It's like we speak a foreign language they've never heard before.  I think that article is very true, doctors are trained to use "technology" to make a diagnosis and not think for themselves.  The logical thinking has gone out of medicine.  

    We are our own best advocate...and I would have to agree that you're healthy lifestyle has played a huge role in keeping things in check.  I dont care if we're taking chemo or olive leaf extract...if we lead a lifestyle that is condusive to fungal overgrowth, were gonna lose the fight.

    Keep those suckers retreating!!   

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited January 2011

    This tread has me rather interested. I work at an old school that has mold growing on the ceilings. I'm beginning to wonder if it has contributed to my BC. It seems quite a few of us are having different kinds of cancer showing up recently, so beginning to question what is going on. 1 had BC, another has skin cancer that surgery hasn't stopped so she now needs to use a form of cream that is a chemo cancer treatment for it, plus of course myself. This is over just the last year.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    kira123, How long have you worked there before you were diagnosed?

    The bad thing about these buildings is the mold spores can get into the ducting and cause those breathing the air to become ill as well.  According to doctors (formerly of the World Health Organization), mold/fungus can cause many different symptoms from respiratory problems, to skin issues (eczema and psoriasis), to autoimmune disease, to atheroschlerosis, to cancer. 

    Are they doing anything to remediate the mold?

    There's an interesting book called MOLD: The War Within  by Kurt and Leeann Billings.  They are a husband and wife who experienced the devastating effects of mold after hurricane Katrina.

    Or if you want more information regarding fungus and cancer there are two books I highly recommend.  One is no longer in print but you can sometimes find it used.  I found mine on Amazon.com ($45)...It is called the Germ that Causes Cancerby Doug Kauffman and Beverly Thornhill Hunt, PhD.  The other one is called The Prevention of Breast Cancer, Hope at Lastby A.V. Constantini MD (retired-former head of the World Health Organization),. You can find that one at fungalbionicbookseries.com ($65).  Neither are cheap but they are both well worth the money in my opinion!  If you go to the sight, you can read excerpts from the book.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited January 2011

    I worked there for 8 years before the cancer was found. They painted the ceilings about 2 years ago. They told us they had the ducks cleaned, but I have noticed in the wing I'm in now the mold has come back, so I'm thinking it was just a cover up.

    How interesting about the skin issues as well  I have exema as well which I never had till I worked here.

    I actually have watched Doug Kauffman for several years when I have the summers off, and find he knows a lot about different diseases. What really makes me angry is what the school district is doing to the kids that are going to that school.

     Thanks for the names of the 2 books I will be getting them. What worries me is I am still working in that place, and will be for at least another 10 years. I'm not quite sure how to protect myself from the mold and what it is doing to my body. By the way I have also developed ashma since working there. Just so you know I'm 57 so I was healthy for 48 years before working in this school.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    kira1234,  Your last sentence says it all.  You have 3 of the 5 things I mentioned above!  Fungi get into your system and their toxins disable your immune system so someone once healthy, now has a myriad of health problems.... 

    If you alone stood up to demand something be done, do you think it would put your job in jeopardy? Maybe if you and others could get parents involved, that might be a different story...unfortunately, you'll most likely meet resistance since it's not cheap to properly remediate mold.  If people knew just how much damage it can do, they would not want their kids in that environment.  I wouldn't be surprised if those kids didnt have behavioral problems and high absentee rates. 

    As far as what you can do in the meantime....there are air purifiers that you can get and plug in where ever you are.  I recently purchased 3 Aclare units.  (These are the ones that Kaufmann recommends.) They are little portable units.  I put one in my son's bedroom, the master bedroom and the other one in my laundry room.  I have 2 cats and that is where I keep the litter box.  I will also move that unit to my trash compactor after I have removed the trash...any odors are GONE within a couple hours.  We also take one on vacation with us as we typically go to warm moist, tropical places where mold and mildew thrive.  (Ever stayed in a yucky, musty hotel room? Yuk!)  I'm thinking one of these in your office or classroom would help a great deal.  The website is healthyperceptions.com.  If you go there, you can also find links to the CDC and EPA for more information about what they say about mold. Of course they dont see cancer as a risk but they do see other potential problems. It may also help guide you on what you can do at your school. 

    An antifungal diet and some natural antifungals could help but unfortunately, until you get away from the mold, you wont be able to completely get it out of your system.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited January 2011

    imposative, I have to say you are right on the mark at our school. We have way to many kids with behavior problems and days off school. We are one of the schools not meeting no school left behind, so dealing with that. We don't make AYP because our special needs kids aren't where they need to be, and most of our special needs kids are behavior issues.

    I LIVE IN FLORIDA like tropical or humid all the time.

  • char123
    char123 Member Posts: 82
    edited January 2011

    Regarding mold etc ....Psoriasis.      My first BC diagnosis was in April 2001.  My first psoriasis diagnosis was shortly after.  I have always wondered..was it the treatment, stress or was there a link between the two...I have never gotten rid of the psoriasis, but I had NED until January 2010...Second diagnosis was in the Mast scar.  Has not spread..

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    kira1234, It's so maddening that this is happening to our kids...and the kids are being blamed and medicated.  Someone needs to do something!  Unfortunately, people think we're a little wacky when we broach the subject of mold/fungus and those sorts of health problems (as you can see by some of these posts!).  The only problems typically recognized are respiratory issues.  Our doctors only get, on average, about 6 hours of combined lecture / lab time in med school and that is focused on the less serious vaginal yeast infection, ringworm, athletes foot, toenail fungus, etc., therefore they dont recognize the seriousness of the affects fungi can have.  I have a text book called Clinical Mycology...mycologists basically say fungi can affect any tissue within our bodies...skin, joints, organs, bones, blood, nerves, etc...except the teeth.   However, discoveries about root canals have led others to believe they can also live within the dead roots and tooth, after all fungi's main job on this planet is to break down and dissolve dead things.  It is the main component in "ashes to ashes, dust to dust." 

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2011

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTEYIvEx68o&feature=related



    Someone mentioned on this thread that cancer cells and fungus cells are shaped differently...here is a video that would appear to me as fungus, yet breast cancer. Isn't fungi cells round?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTEYIvEx68o&feature=related

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    hoist123, That's a long time NED.  How are you doing now?  I do believe there is a link. 

    I have mentioned him several times but I always tell people to watch Doug Kaufmann's TV show, Know The Cause, there's so much information on the subject.  You can watch the show on his website, Knowthecause.com or go there to find what network and time he's on in your area. 

    He did a phone interview with a mother and her daughter who had psoriasis.  You might find it interesting.  Here is the link to that interview.....

    http://knowthecause.com/WatchourShow/tabid/80/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/39/Kellie-Emily-fighting-Psoriasis.aspx

    The diet they talk about (The phase one) is the one I try to follow.  He has written books that include information about the diet but he's not one of those authors that says "buy my book to get the diet."  The information can be found right on his website.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Barry, That's interesting, I've never seen an image of a breast cancer cell that looks like that. (with those pointy projections).  Fungi can take on several different forms.  What came to mind when I saw this image is the hypae form. (wikipedia's description of hypae-a long, branching filamentous structure of a fungus.  In most fungi, hyphae are the main mode of vegetative growth, and are collectively called a mycelium.)  If you look up images of hypae, you'll see what I mean.

    Listen to this video again and whenever the doctor says the word "cancer", insert the word "fungus or fungi".  It sounds like he's describing fungus perfectly....maybe he is.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    barry, in addition, when a fungal cell and a human cell merge, I'm not sure they resemble either cell completely anymore.  It's kind of like a baby...it has a little of the father and a little of the mother but also looks completely different from both.

    As I was watching the video you posted, I went on to some others.  One I found interesting is  about bc pathology.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hswn7HlLkls&feature=related

    This seems to be a sticking point in some people's minds and was in mine for a long time.  We keep asking, "If it's fungus, why dont pathologists see it?"  This video describes what pathologists look for.

    Staging - When staging a tumor, pathologists look for certain characteristics specific to cancer cells like the mitotic index- this just measures how rapidly the tumor cells are dividing.  A higher mititic index may indicate a more rapidly growing tumor.  The histologic grade- this describes how different the cancer cell looks from normal cells.  This includes the shape and size of the nucleus as well as the overall structures of the cells.  Cells with increasingly abnormal structures are given a higher grade.  They also look at the overall organization of the tissue.  Normal cells are highly organized.  Cancer cells are highly disorganized.  They also look for ER, PR and Her2 status to determine the best treatment.   

    Nowhere here does the pathologist in the video describe looking for chitin or anything else that has been suggested in previous posts.  They are basically looking at the cells and grading them based on how different  they look from a normal cell and they're calling them cancer. 

    I call them fungus.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited January 2011

    It's interesting about my other problems. While i was off work I had no prolems with the ashma nor the ezema. I've been back at work for 3 weeks, and am having mild issues with both. Another thing I've noticed is I can't smell anything. It was so nice after being out of work for so long to smell things again.

    I will be getting the air purifier, but I would like to add 1 more thing to the discussion. After hurricane Charlie we had to basically rebuild our house. While doing that the heat ducks were replaced. It was found they were full of mold. I'm wondering if our house might have a problem with mold as well. I need to find out how to have the home checked for that. I don't know if it has caused my cancer, but do know mold in general is not good for the body.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2011

    Impositive...



    You said...barry, in addition, when a fungal cell and a human cell merge, I'm not sure they resemble either cell completely anymore. It's kind of like a baby...it has a little of the father and a little of the mother but also looks completely different from both. My understanding in how you put it is...if there is a merger of the two cells then it is no longer completely human or fungi...it is cancer. Cancer is then the new baby or alien tumor.



    In your last post you said, you believe cancer is fungus. If it is a new entity then it is no longer fungus...but cancer? Right? I don't know about you, but I would find it strange telling people, "Hey, I have breast fungus."




    At this point of my understanding, I believe there are many factors that cause the lesions (such as pathogens, maybe bacteria, such as H Pylori, or acidic environment due to poor diet or stress). Once there is a lesion the presence of fungi or yeast in the body then plays a part in the mutation of the cell destruction.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited January 2011

    barry, Do you know which type of BC you have yet? And is it estrogen driven or not? Your other thread has become very active with lots of advice from caring people.

  • char123
    char123 Member Posts: 82
    edited January 2011

    I will definately check into the book, know the cause. I am doing much, much better now. Thank you for asking.  I truly think the NED for 10 years had something to do with the supplements I took.  people always said to me , See it came back anyway...I said, yes but maybe I got 10 years BECAUSE of them..So I am now open to other possible reasons why it did and how to keep this nasty little problem of mine contained...I do live in the woods..lots of trees, molds etc...

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