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  • carol1949
    carol1949 Member Posts: 562
    edited December 2010

    impositive,  though I have not done as much extensive research on the fungual theory, I want to encourage you to continue your research and trust that the right information will continue to come to you. 

    I have a dear long time friend who is now a 13 year bc survivor who did it totally holistically after having surgery.  She also used an alkaline blue/green algae type supplement.  I would also recommned you to read Beating Cancer With Nutrition  by Dr. Patrick Quillin, (former VP of CCTA).

    You can beat this!

  • Jainey
    Jainey Member Posts: 109
    edited December 2010

    Hi Impositive, I too am into holistic ways ... I am right beside you ... I did attempt to go without conventional treatment until I found two very wonderful NDs one is an Oncologist and they both told me that if I did not have surgery that I would never be cured ... BUT now that I have had my BMX on Nov 30th and given a five year sentence with Tamoxifen I have been told that there are other ways to reduce my estrogen naturally ... I am in heaven! I do not have to take the toxic tamof. I have the best ND Oncologist, he has 25 years experience, has written two books and the third is coming out in January. Would love to talk more. PM me. Jainey

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    In the text book I ordered, Clinical Mycology, they list all different kinds of fungal infections. I was talking to someone on a different thread about some lesions on her breast that, I haven't gotten clarification on this, but I think they are calling skin mets from her bc. Her description of the lesions closely resemble photos I've seen in the book. I read about the treatment and it listed several of the "azole" drugs used to treat it (fluconazole-Dilucan, ketoconazole, thiabendazole, etc.) I dont know the difference in these drugs but some were used anywhere from 3 to 30.5 months and in different size doses.  Online there are sights that give dosage information for DIflucan. For instance,  the standard dosage for crytococcal meningitis is  400mg the first day followed by 200mg daily for 10-12 weeks. For thrush of the mouth or throat is 200 mg followed by 100mg a day for at least 2 weeks so apparently it's well tolerated for longer periods of time. It's interesting those things you hear about it being hard on the liver. I guess some docs say they wont give it to you for an extended period however those same ones will give you chemo treatments made from mustard gas....go figure.

    Your right about surgery though. This is serious and I would probably eventually go there (lumpectomy) but it would be interesting to test the theory. If a lump disappears when taking an antifungal, I know we're on the right track. If diagnosed with a new lump, I'm probably going to take a few weeks and allow the antifungals to work, as long as I can monitor any progress.

    As far as thermography, I've heard the same thing as well, however, you can have false positives with whatever tool we use and it all comes down to the person reading the findings whether it be thermo, mammo or MRI, so I decided to opt for the safest tool (IMO) and hope for the best but that's just my choice.  None of it is full proof....

    It's so sad and unfortunate, these people who are in advanced stages, who have had their immune systems and their positive mental outlook ravaged by chemo. That's when the fight is so difficult to overcome. I thank God that I have not reached that point and I have gathered what knowledge I have to overcome this. Fungus/Cancer, whatever you want to call it, is definitely a serious battle but when you know "what" you're fighting, (instead of some "unknown" entity) you can choose the tools to hopefully even the playing field.    

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    Carol1949, Thanks for the encouragement!  Since I've had a cancer diagnosis and have done so much research, you would think I could adhere to my diet and exercise program but it's so easy to get off track. It helps add reinforcement when I read up on the importance of nutrition and also when I hear about someone doing as incredible as your friend. I want to have that success and know that I'm on the right path!  I had heard of that book and will add it to my (extensive) list of "must haves".  Thanks again!

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    Impositive...does thermography find dcis cells? I know it's good for more advance cancers? You are right no screening is a 100% accurate. I asked my naturalpathic doc for a therography and she said it was good, but not as a primary source for screening cancer.

    I had a ultrasound today, and go in for a biopsy January 5th. I wondered if I put coconut oil and other antifungal on my breast if when they look at it on Jan 5th that there will be nothing there. The first time I was dx with high grade dcis, I tried before surgery a akins diet, and no sugar. I drank tons of water alkaline water. I hoped that at surgery they would find nothing. The high grade cancer was still there. But, I didn't try the anti-fungal treatment. This is all new to me. I'm with you. I would try it first, although I highly doubt the surgeon would re-test me before surgery.
    i also know that most biopsies turn out to B9....for that reason, I'm not worried.



  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    You know barry, I'm not sure about the DCIS, I'll have to ask that when I call tomorrow.  Is the lump close to the skin?  Mine was, it was on the outer quadrant of my breast and very easy to feel, right under the skin. I wish I would've known about antifungals then. I definitely would have tested the topical thing.  I ordered some oregano oil from Bio-Active nutrients. That stuff is potent! It is 78.6% carvacrol mixed with capric and caprillic acid (found in coconut oil), all anitfungal. I haven't gotten the abscessed root canal tooth out yet so I've been using it nightly on the abscessed area and the swelling is down, no more tenderness and the pus (yuk) appears to be gone and I've only used it 4 nights now.  I also had an itchy patch in my clavicle area that I've rubbed it on nightly and that's gone. I think I will start rubbing it over the scar area from my lumpectomy every night as well. My whole bedroom smells like oregano at night!  Not much for the libido but keeps the bugs away. lol.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited July 2012

    Just an addition to your discussion on Itraconazole. I don't think anyone posted this already.

    A Pilot Trial of Itraconazole Pharmacokinetics in Patients With Metastatic Breast Cancer

    http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00798135 

    They're looking at the anti-angiogenesis effects, not the anti-fungal, in 14 women, but any effects will be documented.

  • motheroffoursons
    motheroffoursons Member Posts: 333
    edited December 2010

    Happy New Year-

    • 1. To continue the discussion, I concede that fungi can be systemic infections, however all literature indicates this is in individuals with compromised immune systems. For healthy adults, fungi do not invade the interior tissues.
    • 2. However, toxins produced by surface fungi , environmental fungi, dietary fungi, and still cause cancer.
    • 3. The unique structure of fungi is the cell wall material, chitin. For tumors to be fungal, chitin would be found. The cellular components of cancer tissues are carefully analyzed, even the types of proteins are identified. I would have a hard time believing that the presence of chitin would be unnoticed by the dedicated microbiologists, pathologists, and research scientists that can identify the type of RNA, DNA, and enzymes in a cell. If tumor cells were fungi, chitin would have been found long ago.
    • 4. The presence of chitin would cause differences in the histological studies. Body cells and fungal cells stain differently. The chitin stains differently, sometimes just in intensity, but the various staining techniques such as H & E, PAS, and the calcofluor white stain in addition to a silver staining. Tissue studies would show the presence of fungal cell walls of chitin.
    • 5. Fungi and cancer cells do not look alike, for the most part.
    • 6. Although both undergo mitosis, the processes differ. As has been mentioned, many fungi bud. Even in those that do not bud, mitosis is different. In mitosis in human cells, the nuclear membrane breaks down before division, and does not reassembly until after the cell has split into two cells. Most fungi undergo closed mitosis, in which the nuclear membrane reassembles before the division of the cell, resulting in one cell with two nuclei.
    • 7. Human cells undergo open mitosis in which the nuclear membrane breaks down, and the chromosomes are pulled apart by a spindle mechanism. After that the cells divide, the nuclear membrane reassembles. (Multiple nuclei are found only in certain diseases and with macrophages and giant cells).
    • 8. The spindle mechanism can be seen using the microscope. The spindle mechanism in fungi and human cells also operate differently, as well as the formation of the cleavage furrow.
    • 9. If you contend that cancer is a tumor, it throws out all ER PR testing as fungi do not have estrogen receptors. They do produce something called mycoestrogens, but this is not the same as being ER or PR positive. All the research and studies on ER, PR, tamoxifin, etc. cannot be explained with the hypothesis that cancer is a fungs.

    So basically, I still state that tumors are not fungi.  This is based on absence of chitin in tumor cells, the different reproductive methods, the different stain reactions, and the different morphology.

    If you still contend that cancer is a fungus, we will have to agree to disagree.  I cannot see it at all.

    NOTE:  I am not going to be able to respond to any more discussions for a couple of weeks as I will be traveling.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    motheroffoursons, thanks for your input! I pray that your travels are safe and wonderful! :) Have a great time, and I look forward to reading more of your thoughts.







    Fungus and Cancer Form Symbiotic Relationship

    During this fifth phase viral-bacterial-yeast-like fungus form a symbiotic relationship with newly created cancer/tumor cells. Yeast-like fungus is symbiotic in nature and feeds on the high levels of glucose to use for energy for reproduction of new somatids. The yeast-like fungus provides a natural fermentation process and ferments the glucose within the cancer/tumor cell, providing energy and a natural growth factor in return. The yeast-like fungus uses the cancer/tumor cells as a host or house for their rich reserves of glucose, and stimulates these cancer/tumor cells to propagate more houses. The result is a mass of tumor cells, or tumor sites. Yeast-like fungus prevent cancer / tumor cells reverting back into normal healthy cells (re-establishing their Krebs Cycle), as they continue to cause "mycotoxins" to be released (a highly acidic waste product), meaning cancer / tumor cells in a sense are held hostage to the yeast-like fungus that inhabit them.

    edit...sorry, I forgot to put where I got the source of this information...and now, I'm not sure where I read it.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    Sheila, Thanks for that drug trial info! It says its being done at Indiana University. That's very close to home for me. I had melanoma a few years back and I was treated at the IU hospital. That is also where Lance Armstrong was treated for his testicular cancer.  It will be interesting to see how it turns out.  Do you know how to obtain the results of the trial?

    Edit....Whoops, sorry I just took another look. It says it's ongoing for another year. It ends 1/2012 so I guess we wont know for a while.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited July 2012

    ImPositive, I only found it by searching for itraconazole on the net so I only know what's on the page.  I'm in sunny Australia on a sweltering hot day, a long way from Indiana.

    I tend to believe Timothy and motheroffoursons on the subject under discussion but also think there may be a link that needs to be researched properly.  I don't believe any stone should be left unturned in the search for a cure.

    I love the open minds and attitudes of most on this thread and the enthusiastic and respectful way you conduct yourselves.

    Less than 7 hours till the Sydney fireworks on TV.  woo hoo!  2011 is going to be the best year yet.  Happy new year to all

    5:20pm Sydney time

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    Motheroffoursons, Happy New Year to you as well!

    I guess you are right, we'll just have to agree to disagree and that's fine, if everyone agreed on everything this would world be a pretty boring place, right?  So here I go disagreeing.....

    You wrote: I concede that fungi can be systemic infections, however all literature indicates this is in individuals with compromised immune systems. For healthy adults, fungi do not invade the interior tissues.

    That is old school thinking. Our lifestyles nowadays are so much more toxic, with fake foods (90% of the foods Americans purchase today are processed), chemicals, sugar (Americans are reported to eat 150-170 lbs of sugar per yr - that's up from about 50 lbs per yr within the last century!  It's tripled!) Fungi thrive in acidic environments and feed on glucose (sugar!) The use of antibiotics has risen enormously as well. We are killing the good bacteria in our bodies. They are over prescribed by our doctors and they are fed and injected into the animals we consume. Just this month a report was issued by the FDA - 129 million lbs of antibiotics were used in the livestock industry in 2009 alone! We are leading lifestyles that "invite" fungi to come and live! Aside from cancer, fungal infections have risen exponentially in the last century.

    Next you mention chitin again and you focus intently on it. I addressed that in a post back on Dec 18 so I wont bore anyone with those details again except to say that dimorphic fungal cells have the ability to lose their outer coating (chitin) and infect a human cell. When this happens, it becomes a "hybrid cell". They are now living "Inside" the human cell.  If they dont have their outer coating anymore, of course it wont show up in tissue stainings.  Along with this course of action, a blend is created to from two sets of DNA.  Pathologists are looking for "cancer" characteristics when they are looking at tissue slides; grade, differentation,etc. They dont "stain" or "test" for "fungi". If they dont look for it....they wont find it.  This is why there are erroneous misdiagnosis of cancer such as the stories I posted earlier about the boy with retinoblastoma and the woman with leukemia.  They see differentiated cells and call it cancer, even though it could be fungus that they didn't "test" for.  The one thing they do know is that cancer is altered DNA ...BUT they dont know what causes it to be altered. Does it just happen spontaneously? I think not. Something "alters" our DNA.  According to Fundamentals of Fungi, 3rd edition(Moore-Landecker, E.) Fungi and their mycotoxins are capable of causing genetic variations and mutations.   I think that addresses your points 3 & 4.

    Point 5-Fungi and cancer cells do not look alike, for the most part.

    Correct...Now that it has infected the human cell, it no longer looks like a fungal cell nor a human cell.  It is something completely different, it is a hybrid cell.

    Points 6,7,8-Mitosis...With the new hybrid cell, again, it's neither human nor fungal, it's a hybrid or cancer cell.  We already know a cancer acts differently than a human cell.  It has also been established that in a human fungal symbiosis, the fungi is the dominant force.  

    Point 9-  fungi do not have estrogen receptors.

    Again, I disagree....Here is a link to a study from the Pubmed website:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC261537/

    It speaks about disease due to the thermally dimorphic fungus Paracoccidioides brasiliensis.  In this case they are saying that estrogens inhibit the transformation of this particular fungi.

    Within the abstract it states: We believe that this binding protein represents a P. brasiliensis hormone receptor which can also recognize mammalian estrogens.

    Here's a link to another study: http://cms.herbalgram.org/herbclip/pdfs/090441-274.pdf

    This one is RE: Fusarium Fungus Contamination May Be Responsible for Estrogenic  Effects Reported in Ginseng

    It states: Fusarium is a fungus that contaminates grains and other plant foods. Several species of the fungus produce a toxin called zearalenone. Zearalenone and its metabolites have estrogenic activity. Contamination of animal feeds with zearalenone causes hyperestrogenic conditions in farm animals. The ginseng extracts in this study were tested for the presence of Fusarium and zearalenone. Unexpectedly, three of the four extracts tested positive for Fusarium, and all four extracts tested positive for zearalenone.

    Just a side note to this...This is studied and widely known in among farmers and agriculturalists. If a horse, pig, etc. eats hay or feed contaminated with mold, they very often become infertile because of the mycotoxin zearalenone.  Those are mammals, right?  Why is this not studied in humans?

    So these 2 links establishe that not only do fungi have estrogenic receptors, their mycotoxins can cause hyperestrogenic conditions!

     

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    Sheila,

    Lucky you! It's cold here. (Brrrr....) and everyone here is in bed but ME! It's 2:30a.m.  (I'm a night owl and a late sleeper. Can't seem to get my internal clock adjusted).  We have a few more hours before we ring in the new year here.

    HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU! 

  • chillipadi
    chillipadi Member Posts: 151
    edited December 2010

    Impositive, here I am! I've decided that this thread is more suitable for discussing my fungating lesions than the "Issel Clinic" thread. I'm not sure that you can call them skin mets, as the lesions are all localised on the breast where the original tumor was. Just to let you know, I've been dusting these lesions with an "azole", brand name Trinazole and generic name metronidazole. My onco prescriibed these antibiotic plls to me more than a year ago to help control the fungus and odor, and I've been using them every day. Initially, I took the plls orally, but they made me nauseous, so my onco suggested I crush them into powder instead to sprinle on the tumors.

    Well, the lesions are still growing steadily and fungating. They shrank a little about 3 months ago when I started metronomic chemo with Tamoxifen (another anti-fungal) but now they're progressing again. I also apply iodine tincture (another anti-fungal) after cleaning the wounds. So where does this leave the fungal theory? I started Zoladex almost a month ago to stop my ovaries from producing estrogen but there's no sign yet that it's helping.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    Impositive...to answer your question...both breast are very lumpy so I wouldn't know what is what.From what I saw on the ultrasound it seems somewhere in the upper middle. I only know that the suspicious area is at the 8 O'Clock position. If there is anything it's most likely dcis and with dcis there is usually no palpable lump. My biggest concern is that it seems to be close to the nipple. Hopefully it's nothing. I will try the coconut oil. I purchased a pill form of oil of oregano yesterday. I have now a lot of anti-fungal nutrients to use as well.

    Pure oregano oil is very pricy. How much is it from the source you mentioned?



  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    chillipadi...taking the antibiotics is only going to worsen your problem. Metronidazole was one of the antibiotics prescribed for me when recent dx with H Pylori. I also was on Tetracycline. The two antibiotics caused the yeast problem I already had to worsen. I've read and been told that many women who are on chemo are more apt to have fungal infections. Yeast is opportunistic and once your immune system has been compromised it takes over. It is going to take time to rebuild your immune system and to get rid of the fungi in your body.



    There are better antifungal drugs and creams that may help you.

    Systemic antifungal drugs, such as fluconazole (Diflucan), itraconazole (Sporanox), ketoconazole (Nizoral), and miconazole (Monistat I.V.) are available only by prescription. They are available in tablet, capsule, liquid, and injectable forms. Topical antifungal drugs are available without a physician's prescription and come in many forms, including creams, ointments, liquids, powders, aerosol sprays, and vaginal suppositories. Creams and liquids are usuallythe most effective for treating fungal infections on the skin, because theycan get into the cracks and crevices where fungi grow. But because powders absorb moisture, they are good to use in moist areas of the body, such as between the toes. Commonly used topical antifungal drugs include ciclopirox, clotrimazole, econazole, miconazole, nystatin, oxiconazole, terconazole, and tolnaftate. Among the brands of products that contain topical antifungal drugs areAbsorbine Jr., Desenex, Gyne-Lotrimin, Loprox, Lotrimin, Micatin, Monistat,Mycelex, Mycolog-II, Oxistat, Spectazole Cream, Terazol, and Tinactin.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    Hi Chillipadi!  I will have to admit, my focus has been mainly on natural antifungals and I dont know much about the antifungal drugs. I'm reading up on them as a result of our conversation.  I thought the "azoles" were all antifungal but after I read Barry's post, I looked up metronidazole and it does indeed say it's an antibiotic use to treat anaerobic bacteria. Antibiotics "fuel" fungal infections!  Also, if you have cancer, my belief is you have fungus and it is systemic.  If your lesions were a dermaphyte type fungus (which only affects the skin) using only topicals could possibly alleviate it but since it systemic, I would think you need to treat it systemically. Nystatin is an antifungal that kills fungi within the intestinal tract and I believe Diflucan is a systemic antifungal (kills fungi within the blood stream).  A combination of those 2 might help.  I wish doctors knew about fungus.....instead we are left to try to figure this out on our own.      

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    Here's a thought..if tamoxifen has anti-fungal properties in it and the recommendation is five years then is it possible that the fungus can become immune to the anti-fungal in the tamoxifen? Perhaps the reason it's important you get off of it in five years...because they know it will no longer be efffective against fungi or cancer. And because someone has been on it for such a long time that when a cancer comes back it will be invasive or more aggressive?



    Would it be good to take it for a short time such as 1 to 6 months as a anti-fungal treatment?

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Since I am her2+, I dont know much about tamoxifen. Does anyone know why they want you to take it for 5 years?

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Barry, I read something in relation to DCIS that I thought you and others diagnosed with DCIS might find interesting.  Women receive mammograms which report the findings of "microcalcifications".  Doctors of the World Health Organization say that these microcalcifications sometimes indeed progress to "cancer" but only because they are there due to the presence of mycotoxins not because of the presence of the microcalcifications themselves.  As usual, the medical community is quick to diagnose it as cancer and recommend invasive cancer treatments but they are slow to understand how crystals would form in a human female breast in the first place.

    Upon careful examination, the tiny crystals are actually calcium oxalate crystals, formed when oxalic acid merges with serum calcium.  Now having calcium serum in your blood stream is a good thing but why would any woman have extremely poisonous oxalic acid in her blood?  Humans can not make this poisonous oxalic acid...but fungus does. 

    The following link expands on this.

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/How+to+cure+inflammatory+breast+cancer%3a+fungal+infections+cause+...-a0184141400

    We've talked about these microcalcifications found elsewhere in the body such as in fungal sinusitis but why they dont call it cancer there.  Also, a very high percentage of all kidney stones (which btw, some feel are fungally linked) are calcium oxalate formed crystals.  I just wonder why, when these microcalcifications are found in the breast, they are considered precancer but not in stones or sinusitis. 

  • Jainey
    Jainey Member Posts: 109
    edited January 2011

    Impositive, As I am her2 negative and prescribed Tamoxifen to beging Jan 1st ... I have done some research and from I understand The Reason for only five years is because the Risks outweigh the benefits .. there are a multitude of possible side effects (most of which will start occurring after prolonged usage) and some of these are endometrial/uterine cancer, blood clots, fatty liver, cataracts to name a few. It has been well studied and is an excellent estrogen blocker. Hey ... Happy New Year! May your Best (Breast) Days be in 2011!

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Jainey, Do you know why they ask you take take it as long as five years? 

    Since fungi is sort of like bacteria, in that it can become resistance to therapy. Barry's suggestion was maybe 5 years is too long. It gives it time to mutate and become more virulent.  Your answer about why they stop at 5 years, (the risks out weight the benefits) lends to this theory. 

    Ladies, I wonder why most bc therapy's, (chemo, radiation,) are often reported to cause cancer to go into remission but prolonged use leads to more cancer.......

    How does mainstream doctors and science answer this? 

  • jdootoo
    jdootoo Member Posts: 253
    edited January 2011

    Chillpadi,

    I would also like to recommend Selenium Sulfide lotion 2.5%. I began applying it to a suspicious mole on the skin of my breast, right above where they found the tumor, and the lotion wiped it out in less than a week. I had to order it from Canada since they don't sell it in the U.S. Hope it works for you!

    One love, Jackie 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    barry, Sorry, I forgot about your question above. Here is where I get my oregano oil (and some of my other natural products.)

     http://www.mynaturalmarket.com/bioactive-nutrients-oil-of-oregano-1-oz.html?osCsid=77c83f29b90720e7a4838c44985ebc9e

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    I have been puzzled about how hormones or other proteins and our tumors relate to the fungal theory. I think I'm finally starting to figure it out.....

    It seems fungi cells possess the ability to bind proteins the way human cells do. (They have receptors.) According to a Pubmed article, Candida albicans, the most common fungal pathogen of humans, possesses an estrogen-binding protein (EBP) that binds mammalian estrogens with high affinity.   

    Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC521425/   

    I have read that about 80% of bc tumors are ER+.

    It make sense then....the most common fungal pathogen of humans, Candida albicans, possess an estrogen binding protein with "high affinity".  Since estrogen is usually present in significantly higher levels within the breast, it's the perfect home for candida albicans!!!! 

    Another interesting fact....We've all heard of plant based estrogens, phytoestrogens, right?  Well, some fungi are capable of producing estogen. These are called mycoestrogens.  Possibly the most well known is produced by the Fusarium species. It's called zearalenone (a mycotoxin). See this next article titled, Fungi Contamination Can Cause Early Menstruation in Girls!

      http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fungi-Contamination-Can-Cause-Early-Menstruation-in-Girls-78145.shtml

    Once again, our medical community is treating the SYMPTOMS (estrogen) of our cancer, not the CAUSE (fungus)!!!!

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2011

    Impositive, take in consideration that there are good and bad estrogens. From what I read, good estrogens can prevent fungi growth. The problem is the good estrogen is condemed by association. If we always have cancer cells (free radicals) floating it our blood then younger women, who have a lot more estrogen would be at higher risk for cancer. Young kids eat a lot of sugar and processed foods. Most aren't taking pro-biotics. Their bodies are a haven for fungi and they aren't getting bc compared to women in their 40's and up, who have a lot less estrogen.

    In my opinion the bad estrogens are more likely the culpret.





    Your body only produces estriol (during pregnancy), estrone (after menoapuse) and estradiol (the main one). estradiol is not a bad estrogen. It is needed in the body.

    Without good estrogen we are putting our body at risk for other diseases.

    There has to be other ways to reduce our chances for cancer other than getting rid of hormones that help us live longer and a better life.





  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Barry, you are absolutely right. That was my point. Maybe I didnt verbalize it correctly. The researchers and medical community are villainizing estrogen. Yes there are bad estrogens like xenoestrogens (and mycoestrogens) but women produce our own estrogen for a reason! We dont need to get rid of the estrogen, we need to get rid of the fungus that is thriving on the estrogen. 

    In my reply to motheroffoursons above, I posted a link to an article about how estrogen actually inhibits the transformation from the mycelium stage of the thermally dimorphic fungus, Paracoccidioides brasiliensis, to the more pathogenic yeast stage . They were studying this to figure out why the disease shows up in so many more post puberty males than females. So our estrogens can be helpful in preventing that particular fungal infection as well as other diseases. 

    Again, it's the same way of thinking....Let's cut off the breast to get rid of the cancer or let's get rid of the ovaries or block the estrogen because your tumor have receptors. What about figuring out WHY we have cancer in the first place. They are treating the effects of cancer not the cause.  WHY? Because if they find the cause, where does that leave an industry that has thrived on treating the symptoms?  This disease has been studied probably more than any other and more money has gone into the study of cancer than any other but the only advances that have been made over the last 50 years is in the drug therapys to treat  it.  If we, people who have never studied medicine, can see these connections and form these hypothesis, why hasn't anyone in this study of cancer done so?  Answer....They have.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    Since fungus is rarely diagnosed by todays medical community, the general public doesn't realize that fungus has been linked to cancer. As far back as biblical times researchers were linking this disease to fungi. More recently, among others....

    In 1829, Dr Thomas Hodgkins, (the same for which the "Hodgkins" cancers are named) believed that cancer growths were parasitic cysts.

    In 1860's- Louis Pasteur's laboratory notes indicated, "It is living things, subvisible living things, that are the real cause of fermentation."  These subvisible things he was referring to were yeast cells. 

    1920, Dr T.J. Glover and his associates culture an organism described as coccoid, rods, spore-bearing mycelial stages and smaller than bacteria. He developed an antiserum for cancer and though his work was published in the NY Times, it was rejected by the medical community. 

    1925, Dr John Nuzum reports consistently culturing a pleomorphic (cell that changes from one form to another) micrococcus from human breast cancer. 

    1931, Dr Otto Warburg received the Nobel Prize.  He proved that cancer cells (like fungus cells) obtain nourishment through fermentation of sugars rather than through oxidation, as in the case with other cells. 

    1947, Dr's Virginia Wuerthele-Caspe Livingston-Wheeler (M.D.), Eleanor Alexander-Jackson (microbiologist) and Irene Diller, cellular biologist with the Institute of Cancer Research, discovers and studys the acid-fast property of a pleomorphic organism they found in all cancers studied. They used microbes removed from cancer tissue to produce cancer in animals, then recultured the microbes from the animal's tumors. 

    Later, 1969, the Livingston-Wheeler Medical Clinic opened.where she successfully treats cancer patients with immunological vaccinations and diet.

    1960, Absolute proof that fungus causes cancer is established. Aflatoxin, a toxic mold, is discovered in England, provides the first known scientific link between cancer and fungus.

    1960, Dr G. Meinecke discovers many ways in which wall-deficient fungal cells imitate the blood cells of vertebrates.

    1972, Oil magnate Doc Pennington is cured of colon cancer by antifingal prescriptions. He spends 125 million of his own money and founds the Pennington Biomedical Center at Louisiana State Univ. to study among other things, the link between yeast, nutrition and cancer.  He died in 1994 and unfortunately, most of the research done at the Pennington Center seems not to reflect Doc Pennington's interest in fungus and it's connection to cancer.

    1987. Drs. Krough, Hald and Holmstrup publish findings linking oral cancer with the yeast Candida albicans.

    1997, Dr. Mark Bielski publishes information correlating Candida albicans to leukemia.

    1999, Intelihealth, home to John Hopkins health information, reports in the Medical Tribune that German Dr. Meinolf Karthaus, discovered a fungal component to leukemia. Three patients who received a cocktail of antifungal drugs (amphotericin B, liposomal amphotericin B and Diflucan) are alive and apparently recovered from their cancer, much to the surprise of their doctors. "It was surprising that they did not relapse and did not die."  He did not know why the treatment was so successful...

    Many of these brilliant pioneers were ridiculed and persecuted much as the modern day Oncologist, Dr. Simoncini and Microbiologist, Dr. Robert Young.  When will mainstream medical stop treating our symptoms and start looking for the cause???? 

         

  • chillipadi
    chillipadi Member Posts: 151
    edited January 2011

    Barry, Impositive and Jackie, thank you for the terrific information. I'll go to the pharmcy soon and see what I can get to try. I have my first consultation with the radiation oncologist tomorrow and I'm trying so hard not to go that way. I've been resisting rads and regular chemo for ages and it makes me so sad that I may have to give in.

    Given a choice, I would prefer to go natural all the way, but time may not be on my side. 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2011

    chiilipadi, maybe you can mention to your docs that you believe the lesions could be fungal since iodine seems to help and see if they are willing to test them.  Goodluck, hope things go your way!

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