The Fungal Theory

Hindsfeet

What amazed me that when I was ill for several months, I went to specialist as well and they prescribed antibiotics which worsen my condition. They thought I couldn't have a fungal infection less I was on chemo or aids. I got so bad that I had sores down my throat and mouth...it look like mouth rot... I kept taking antibiotics because the docs thought it to be infections...After ridding myself of H Pylori I still had the mouth sores and couldn't barely eat less talk.. The gasterlogist checked me for aids. After a yeast-free diet, anti-fungal supplements it all finally just disappeared. The dizzy spells, mouth sores and so on are all gone. It was my own research that finally brought about the cure.

Hindsfeet

SheilaEchidna...thanks for your post and encouragement. It's nice to know that even if you don't completely agree that you give us the right to discuss this topic.



You are right, this thread has not discouraged anyone from traditional treatment. Someone trying both conventional and alternative works. Yeast free diets don't kill people. Nor do anti-fungal medicine under the care of a physician. If someone here decides against traditional treatment it is not because someone here said not to. People are getting all excited over nothing, and without reading through all the thread.



I am grateful that my last breast surgeon believed in both. She worked with my naturalpathic doc and she was head of cancer research.

digger

Black-cat and others,

I'm afraid we can cite reputable sources until we're blue in the face, and still some people are going to believe what they want to believe:  that cancer is a fungus in a body gone awry.  They have miraculously found the cure that has been sitting under everyone's noses for all this time because they are now medical experts courtesy of Internet University.  Also, wow, an episode on the television showed that someone's "cancer" was really a fungus, so it must be so that all cancer is a fungus!! 

It's unfortunate that some people move from one extreme, the breast cancer victim, to the other, the breast cancer martyr.  Barry and impositive are valiantly carrying their martrydom, that anything said to the contrary is automatically hate-mongering, distasteful, bullying, etc.

I did go to the link Black-cat provided and read through the comments section at the bottom of the blog, which actually provided me with more useful information.  I have to wonder, since this Italian doctor Simoncini has been stripped of his medical license and jailed for injecting baking soda into a woman's cancerous breast (which killed her and he was charged and convicted with murder), would he also use the same treatment if his own wife or daughter had breast cancer?  I know, I know, he is such a martyr for being that brave soul who is fighting the big bad medical industry that believes in conventional strategies as well, but I just have to know if he would inject baking soda into his own wife's or daughter's breast?

Again, I don't want some poor soul to wander on this thread and start to think that her cancer is a fungus.  I know I won't change impositive's and barry's decision that their "theory" is true because to-date, they don't think we've provided them with enough reputable information that it's false, and in their minds, we never will so it's a moot point.  It's great that some people want to believe that, but when you have others not listening to their oncologist and rubbing antifungal cream on their out-of-control cancer, that is so scary!! 

Lynh

This thread bothers me for a couple reasons.  I come to the alternative section to read and search for different answers and to see what other women who are interested in alternative healing are doing. Alternative healing helped me when traditional medicine could not.  If I had followed the recommendations of my md 15 years ago, I would be in a wheel chair today. Because I found an alternative healing doctor, I lead a full and productive life. 

 I belong to a couple different alternative cancer groups and have for the past 5 years, long before my own diagnosis.   When I was diagnosed in June 09, I added alternative bc boards to my reading list. One of the boards does not allow discussion of traditional treatment.  They have a sister board you can read that encourages that discussion if that is your choice.  Until I came here, I didn’t understand why they had that rule.  After following this thread and other threads in the alternative forum during the past year, I understand the reasoning behind their rule. 

When my Sweetheart was diagnosed with colon cancer, I looked for answers and started researching anything and everything that could possibly help him.   He was very traditional and had a lot of faith in his doctors.  He took so many prescription drugs that he didn't have the energy to add more pills to his regime.   Every time he had a complaint, his oncologist added another drug.  Though he didn't have pain, his oncologist added a pain drug to his regime.  We later found that particular drug was very addictive, but was given to him because it was an upper of sorts.  He had no pain, but it made him feel better.  Unfortunately, after time, he needed more and more of the drug to sustain that feel good feeling.   It was also very toxic to the liver and other organs. 

Through my research, I learned about the importance of Vitamin D and cimidine in the treatment and prognosis of colon cancer patients.  During his appointment with the oncologist, who was so busy that we usually only saw the PA, I brought up vitamin D and cimidine for the treatment of colon cancer.  The PA dismissed it. Everything I asked about or suggested, he dismissed, saying he had no knowledge of it or had no research to substantiate it.  Norris Cancer Center (at USC) is renowned for colon cancer.  Dr Heinz-Josef was using and blogging about the very supplements I was suggesting, yet my suggestions were being dismissed.  Like many patients, my Sweetheart was very loyal to his doctors, he believed what they said and believed they had his best interest at heart.

He did traditional chemo for colon cancer.  When it came back, his oncologist put him on Xeloda.  It seemed to work well for him for over a year, and because it worked so well, the PA decided to reduce the dosage.  After a couple months on the reduced dosage, the cancer started advancing again.  When the cancer started advancing, the oncologist was surprised that the PA had reduced the xeloda dosage. Wasn't the oncologist monitoring what the PA was doing?   He upped the dosage once more and added Avastin to the mix.  Then it was back to seeing the PA on our every other week visits because the oncologist was so busy.  During the time my Sweetie was in treatment, the oncologist built and moved into a new beautiful state of the art oncology center.  Business was so good, that he needed more than one PA to help him with his patients.   He usually only saw My Sweetie if there was a problem.  I suggested another opinion, but my Sweetie trusted his oncologist. After all he’d come highly recommended.

In May 21010, his blood pressure started to increase.  It became dangerously high and the oncologist could not control it.  He said he didn't understand what was causing it to be so high.  He suggested that my Sweetie see his primary care doctor.  WHAT?  The oncologist gives powerful chemo drugs that have side effects and when a patient develops one of these side effects you throw up your hands and refer him back to his GP doctor who has basically no knowledge of these powerful drugs and their side effects?  The oncologist also suggested that it was stress causing the blood pressure and added xanex and another anti depressant to the mix.  The oncologist called the GP and told him he thought it was stress and anxiety causing the blood pressure to sky rocket.  When we saw the GP, he switched up the anti depressants but the blood pressure just kept climbing. The GP did not refer him to a specialist and assumed that the oncologist was correct in his assumption that it was in his head.   For months, I'd been begging him to get another opinion.  He agreed.  I made an appointment for him at Norris Cancer Center, but by now, it had become too difficult for him to travel.  Eventually, tests revealed that the cause was not in his head, but by then 3 months had been wasted. He spent five weeks in icu on dialysis because his kidneys had failed.  In late August, he decided the struggle was too much and he went home with hospice.  Would he still be here with me if he’d had better treatment and better treatment choices?  Of course, I’ll never know the answer to that. 

 My own oncologist talks about the importance of vitamin D and breast cancer.  She monitors and tests my levels at every visit. She also told me that she had no doubt it was the avastin causing his blood pressure to spike. She talks about the standard of care and because the cancer center where she practices does not allow her deviate from that care, she has referred me elsewhere for supplementation to strengthen my immune system. 

We each have our own journey.  As my son often tells me, no one can steer your ship.  We can help each other row, but we need to steer our own ship.  I try to listen to what my instincts tell me.  I don't take everything that's written and assume it's correct.  I try to weigh it in my own mind and decide.  I suppose this is like politics and religion and we all know how those discussions usually evolve.  I have no idea how my journey will end.  What I do know, is that if my cancer were to recur, I would choose an oncology center that used integrative treatment. 

I don’t come here to be proven wrong or to have my beliefs agreed with.  I come here see what other women are doing and what is working for them.  As a reader who very seldom posts, I thought that maybe some of the posters from other forums might not be aware how their tone comes across at times.    

I apologize if my words offended anyone, that certainly is not my intention.  I also apologize for the length of my post; it didn’t start out that way.

Lynh

This thread bothers me for a couple reasons.  I come to the alternative section to read and search for different answers and to see what other women who are interested in alternative healing are doing. Alternative healing helped me when traditional medicine could not.  If I had followed the recommendations of my md 15 years ago, I would be in a wheel chair today. Because I found an alternative healing doctor, I lead a full and productive life.

 

 I belong to a couple different alternative cancer groups and have for the past 5 years, long before my own diagnosis.   When I was diagnosed in June 09, I added alternative bc boards to my reading list. One of the boards does not allow discussion of traditional treatment.  They have a sister board you can read that encourages that discussion if that is your choice.  Until I came here, I didn’t understand why they had that rule.  After following this thread and other threads in the alternative forum during the past year, I understand the reasoning behind their rule.

 

When my Sweetheart was diagnosed with colon cancer, I looked for answers and started researching anything and everything that could possibly help him.   He was very traditional and had a lot of faith in his doctors.  He took so many prescription drugs that he didn't have the energy to add more pills to his regime.   Every time he had a complaint, his oncologist added another drug.  Though he didn't have pain, his oncologist added a pain drug to his regime.  We later found that particular drug was very addictive, but was given to him because it was an upper of sorts.  He had no pain, but it made him feel better.  Unfortunately, after time, he needed more and more of the drug to sustain that feel good feeling.   It was also very toxic to the liver and other organs.  

 

Through my research, I learned about the importance of Vitamin D and cimidine in the treatment and prognosis of colon cancer patients.  During his appointment with the oncologist, who was so busy that we usually only saw the PA, I brought up vitamin D and cimidine for the treatment of colon cancer.  The PA dismissed it. Everything I asked about or suggested he dismissed, saying he had no knowledge of it or had no research to substantiate it.  Norris Cancer Center (at USC) is renowned for colon cancer.  Dr Heinz-Josef was using and blogging about the very supplements I was suggesting, yet my suggestions were being dismissed.  Like many patients, my Sweetheart was very loyal to his doctors, he believed what they said and believed they had his best interest at heart. 

 

He did traditional chemo for colon cancer.  When it came back, his oncologist put him on Xeloda.  It seemed to work well for him for over a year, and because it worked so well, the PA decided to reduce the dosage.  After a couple months on the reduced dosage, the cancer started advancing again.  When the cancer started advancing, the oncologist was surprised that the PA had reduced the xeloda dosage.  He upped the dosage once more and added Avastin to the mix.  Then it was back to seeing the PA on our every other week visits because the oncologist was so busy.  During the time my Sweetie was in treatment, the oncologist built and moved into a new beautiful state of the art oncology center.  Business was so good, that he needed more than one PA to help him with his patients.   He usually only saw My Sweetie if there was a problem.  I suggested another opinion, but my Sweetie trusted his oncologist. After all he’d come highly recommended.

 

In May 21010, his blood pressure started to increase.  It became dangerously high and the oncologist could not control it.  He said he didn't understand what was causing it to be so high.  He suggested that my Sweetie see his primary care doctor.  WHAT?  The oncologist gives powerful chemo drugs that have side effects and when a patient develops one of these side effects you throw up your hands and refer him back to his GP doctor who has basically no knowledge of these powerful drugs and their side effects?  The oncologist also suggested that it was stress causing the blood pressure and added xanex and another anti depressant to the mix.  The oncologist called the GP and told him he thought it was stress and anxiety causing the blood pressure to sky rocket.  When we saw the GP, he switched up the anti depressants and the blood pressure just kept climbing. The GP did not refer him to a specialist and assumed that the oncologist was correct in his assumption that it was in his head.   For months, I'd been begging him to get another opinion.  He agreed.  I made an appointment for him at Norris Cancer Center, but by now, it had become too difficult for him to travel.  Eventually, tests revealed that the cause was not in his head, but by then 3 months had been wasted. He spent five weeks in icu on dialysis because his kidneys had failed.  In late August, he decided the struggle was too much and he went home with hospice.  Would he still be here with me if he’d had better treatment and better treatment choices?  Of course, I’ll never know the answer to that.    

 

My own oncologist talks about the importance of vitamin D and breast cancer.  She monitors and tests my levels at every visit. She also told me that she had no doubt it was the avastin causing his blood pressure to spike. She talks about the standard of care and because the cancer center where she practices does not allow her deviate from that care, she has referred me elsewhere for supplementation to strengthen my immune system. 

 

We each have our own journey.  As my son often tells me, no one can steer your ship.  We can help each other row, but we need to steer our own ship.  I try to listen to what my instincts tell me.  I don't take everything that's written and assume it's correct.  I try to weigh it in my own mind and decide.  I suppose this is like politics and religion and we all know how those discussions usually evolve.  I have no idea how my journey will end.  What I do know, is that if my cancer were to recur, I would choose an oncology center that used integrative treatment. 

 

I don’t come here to be proven wrong or to have my beliefs agreed with.  I come here see what other women are doing and what is working for them.  As a reader who very seldom posts, I thought that maybe some of the posters from other forums might not be aware how their tone comes across at times.    

 

I apologize if my words offended anyone, that certainly is not my intention.  I also apologize for the length of my post; it didn’t start out that way.

 

 

Lynh

I keep trying to post and a bunch of jibberish keeps appearing on the top and bottom of my post.  Does anyone know why that is happening?

impositive

ShielaEchidna, I applaud you...even though you disagree with this theory. Your sound voice of reason is something we should all strive to obtain.

impositive

Blackcat, Reading your response about histology and pathology indicates to me that you haven't  attempted to read or understand this theory. I have posted several times about my own confusion with this, which prompted me to try to learn how the laboratory identification of fungi is obtained.  I wont go into that here but if you or anyone else is interested, it's in the thread,  Unfortunately, that's the response most new ideas garner from those who dont understand them.

The story of Galileo an interesting one.  He believed, contrary to that of the Roman Church, that the sun is at the center of the universe and the earth moves.  Now why would the church ever reject this theory?  In short because it wasn't about religion vs. science but about old science vs. new science and they were very angry with him for believing in this theory.  They called it foolish and absurd.  Because he refused to renounce his opinion, he was imprisoned. 

The alkaline theory is another that's commonly misunderstood.  It's not about changing your body's pH.  Our bodies do that on their own. In doing so, it has to neutralize the acid in our blood brought on by our lifestyles, (ie., stress, bad diet, even strenuous exercise brings about acid in our systems) with certain buffers like calcium, potassium, magnesuim, etc. Our bodies do not make these nutrients.  When we aren't getting those in our diet and our bodies have gone through the reserves, it has to pull them from elsewhere such as our bones which in turn cause conditions like osteoporosis.

The idea behind the sodium bicarb is this...We've all probably heard that in cancer tumors you can find uric acid  (which makes the tumor have a low acidic value.)  Doctors dont know why this is.  Simoncini and others believe that the reason there is acid is because of the fungus that lives within the tumor.  The interesting thing here is that our bodies dont make uric acid... so where does it comes from?  Guess what?  Fungus does....and it's a scientific fact that fungi can not survive in an alkaline environment.  There are many chemo drugs, pharmaceutical antifungals and natural antifungals.  Unfortunately, fungi have the capacity, like bacteria, to become resistant to treatments when used over a long period of time.  The theory with the sodium bicarb infusion is to alkalize the tumor itself so that the fungi can not survive and it also doesn't have time to mutate and become resistant.

I do have an onco-one who seems to be very caring and takes all the time I need to explain the statistics of his chemo treatments.  My concerns are not with "conventional medicine" so to speak, it is with conventional science on cancer.  I highly respect my onco, I just think his education has come from a biased industry.  One that has and is being unethically influenced by pharmaceutical companies.  

I am also well educated but have given some serious thought to taking a class in clinical mycology. However, I run a successful business that takes up my days and with mycology, you would have to have lab, it's a very intricate part of understanding diagnosis so online is not an option.  I'll just have to continue to study the textbooks I have here and pick the brains of you girls for answers for and against.   

impositive

digger, I am here to "pick this theory apart" if you will, not to prove it. I tend to believe there is merit. If you do not, I respect that but I will not react or respond to your sarcasmic attitude. I dont have the time or patience.  

CrunchyPoodleMama

impositive, I know, when I was watching the episode I thought of your friend's leukemia story!

Black-cat, I haven't read all your links to Orac's articles, but the one about antivaccination tells me everything I need to know about this "well-respected" doctor. I don't doubt the man is intelligent, but he lacks the ability to think outside the realm of how he was trained to think. He reminds me of my former primary care physician, a brilliant man who developed breast cancer -- no surprise in the least to me, because he was obese and was extremely hostile to the concept of nutrition/lifestyle to prevent disease.

It's doctors/scientists like that who, when they themselves develop cancer or some other disease, it comes as a complete shock to them, and yet they've been so brainwashed that even their scientific curiosity doesn't seem to spur them to want to study a nutrition/lifestyle to disease cure and prevention.

Black-cat wrote: Your ph is between 7.35 and 7.45 slighty alkaline. If it was anything above or below these numbers you would not be walking around.  You cannot change your PH with food.  This whole alkaline diet thing is malarky.  PH of your stomach is acidic about 6 if I can remember correctly. All food in your stomach will become acidotic

*sigh* Once again (for the umpteenth time), the obvious physiological facts you described are NOT what the alkaline theory is about.

impositive

lynh, sometimes my comments do that before I post. I just select preview (sometimes I have to do it a couple of times) and it usually works itself out.

Hindsfeet

>It seems when someone doesn't know how to explain away the fungal theory they bring up Simoncini. First to say, I haven't noticed a real emphasis on this thread about him, or the baking soda therapy. I know little about the baking soda therapy. I did watch Simoncini video a long time ago. Since I haven't read his research, I'm not qualified to say anything pro or con. I was once on a bc e-mail blog where one of the members said she was cured by his therapy. Impositive seems to know more about it. Oh, and about one person dying...let's consider how many people die from conventional cancer treatments. How many doctors make fatal mistake, drugs and hospitals. Research it...there's a lot!



No one on this thread has pushed the baking soda therapy, so why are the naysayers making it the emphasis here? It's not something I would do as I first feel that surgery is the better choice. But, if someone wants to try it...it is their choice. We are here to discuss the fungal theory, and to share what we've learn about it. We have a right to have a thread like this. Again, I would never go to a chemo thread and bash a treatment that I feel is not a proven science. That again would be rude.



The fungal theory to me is harmless. There is nothing in the yeast free diet, anti-fungal supplements or medicine that is going to kill me. Coconut oil is anti-fungal and is good for us. It is good to use along side conventional therapy.



Whereas I would consider some cancer treatments a lot more risky.

Chemo is not a proven cancer treatment and has too many risk and side effects for me to be comfortable with. The same for cancer drugs.

However, if cancer research comes out with something better, I'm open.

For now, I' feel safer sticking with surgery, dealing with the cause of cancer, and building up my immune system.

Hindsfeet

Now, I'm going to share something very hard. I hope that the naysayers aren't going to come back and make sarcastic or mean statements to me. I do not need that right now.



First I want to say, I knew last year around March that I wasn't doing well. I had a major infection in my mouth that wouldn't go away. I was on two rounds of antibiotics that caused a very bad yeast infection, especially in my mouth, and throat. I lost 26 pounds without trying. I knew that my immune system was weak. I could tell my body was acidic. In late September and early October, I was on 14 days of 2 different antibiotics to eradicate H Pylori. The yeast infection got worse. I was extremely fatigued, and weak. I felt then that my body was the perfect environment to develop cancer. Although I've gotten better, I knew what happened this last year put me at risk for cancer. It was at this time when I began researching the fungal theory.



I am careful to do my annual screenings. I recently had my annual mri, and last week a ultrasound. My bs called today and I learned that in my good breast (the cancer was found in the left breast, and my previous cancers were in the right breast).I have invasive cancer. I am concerned, as I should be. I'm a little surprised in that the lump was so tiny. But, I'm not worried. I know God plans for me are for good, and it's the good I'm hanging onto.

I'm not sure what is next. It depends on the grade. If it's tiny then I may just get another lumpectomy with wide margins. If it's too questionable, I'll do the double mx. This is hard for me, because I like my breast. I do not regret any decision I've made. I recently learned about the fungal theory. I'm still coming to understand it.

It has nothing to do with my choice not to ever do chemo or tamoxifen. I'm sure about that.



So right now...yes... it's not what I wanted to hear, but I'll be alright. This time, I feel like I have a better understanding of cancer, and know better how to deal with it.

Thanks for being understanding. I appreciate it alot!

impositive

barry, I'm so sorry that you have to deal with this again....I, for one, will support you in whatever you choose.  If it were chemo, I would follow you over to those threads to support you and cheer you on, it's what caring human beings do.  Be strong and stay positive, I know you have the right tools to deal with this.  I wish I could do more than offer "online encouragement".  

CrunchyPoodleMama

Oh barry! I'm so sorry that you got the news you weren't expecting. I was so sure it was nothing... but it does make sense because of your taxed immune system during that time period, the antibiotics and fungus, etc.

Listen, as someone who set the world record for dragging her feet about a mastectomy (over a year!!), and went kicking and screaming and crying into it, I can tell you, it's not REMOTELY as horrible as I had dreaded. I hope you'll be open to that option (especially if you can do a nipple-sparing with reconstruction so you'll still be "all you" on the outside) because with as much as you went through with your fungus situation, it might make sense to make absolutely sure it's all out this time with very, very wide margins.... ya know?

Big hugs to you... you know you are going to get through this just fine, and we are all here to help!! xoxo

Hindsfeet

Thanks Impositive, and Julia...appreciate your support. Impositive...I'm never doing chemo or tamoxifen.

What I will do is support my immune system, my friendly killer cells

The question about chemo and tamoxifen was decided on long before reading this thread. I've seen what chemo has done to a few of my friends...not interested.



I was in shock when I heard, so I can't recall a lot of what the doctor said, except to say it was invasive, and I think she said it was only stage 1. I won't see her until she get's back from a conference ...little over a week ... I won't know the details until then. Julia, yes, I am considering a double mx before it's too late to consider a skin sparing reconstruction. With my RSD injury, surgery is a risk...and rads is risky for RSD problems. I was told to avoid surgeries at all cost. But, as I've said before, when you see a bad spot on the apple, cut it out. Just hate to lose my breast.

thenewme

Ohmygosh Barry, I'm SOOOOO sorry you're dealing with this!  You and I may disagree on some things, but please know I'm absolutely sincere in my compassion and best wishes for you.  I hate that this is happening to you and I'd never, ever wish this on anyone.  This just sucks. Sucks. Sucks.  

Please keep us posted and let us know how you're doing.   If there's ever anything I can help with, please let me know. Honestly, we care.  At the end of the day, despite any disagreements or differences of opinions or choices, we're all in this thing together and can be an incredible source of care and support.

Hang in there.  My absolute best wishes for you, along  with good vibes, prayers, strength, healing energy, and everything else good I can send to you from here!  

wendy57

Wishing and hoping the best for you barry.  You will be in my thoughts and prayers.  

hlth4513

barry-

I am so sorry to hear that you are having to deal with cancer again. It seems you are empowered to make the right decisions for your situation.

You are in my prayers!

Beth

impositive

I cant remember if I've posted this story before. If so, forgive me.  It's another case of misdiagnosis....cancer or fungus?

This lady had a portion of her lung removed because of her "cancer" diagnosis.

Our doctors need to know this!

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_348af9d3-1e52-52bc-862a-9782aa2c5c22.html

sdstarfish

This is all so interesting! Do any of you do any of the store-bought candida cleanses as part of your prevention? Or how about drinking apple cider vinegar on a daily basis?

I've had 'cysts' in my liver for years, so I'm told...but I swear I can feel a blockage in my liver. Could that be candida? Is there a way to get rid of something like that thru detox?

 Lisa

www.pinkkitchen.info

Hindsfeet

sdstarfish...I haven't purchased one, but I bought Pau D Arco tea that is supposed to be great for anti-fungal. You can purchase it at a health store. It's a little bitter, but it works. Check the tea on line and see what you find out about it. I always check out what's been suggested to me.

There are other cleanses mentioned earlier on this thread.

I need to get back on an anti-fungal regime and do that yeast free diet (New years resolution that I haven't quiet followed).

impositive

Science says cancer is caused by a break in the DNA, right?

What causes a break in the DNA?  Could it be fungus and their mycotoxins?

The following Pubmed article titled "DNA Damage by Mycotoxins" out of John Hopkins University implicates the mycotoxins;  aflatoxins, sterigmatocystin, ochratoxin, fumonisins, zearalenone, and some Penicillium toxins.  Wait...Penicillium?  Isn't that what the anitbiotic Penicillin is made from?  The others can be found in our food supply (grains, corn, which has been stated is almost universally contaminated, including the grain fed meat we consume.) The fungi that produce these mycotoxins can also sometimes be found in the air we breathe (sick homes or buildings).  Is it possible that a slow chronic poisoning is occurring from our food supply?  Nearly everything is made with corn and corn syrup nowadays, not to mention all the grains and grain products (bread) we consume.  And what about antibiotics? How many of us have taken them over our lifetimes...probably all of us.  Perfect combination for DNA damage, wouldn't you say? 

It states: Most of these carcinogenic mycotoxins are genotoxic agents with the exception of fumonisins, which is currently believed to act by disrupting the signal transduction pathways of the target cells......Activation of ras protooncogene has been found in AFB1-induced tumors in mouse, rat, and fish. More strikingly, the relationship between aflatoxin exposure and development of human hepatocellular carcinoma (HHC) was demonstrated by the studies on the p53 tumor suppressor gene.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10064859

Another Pubmed study, this one out of Canada, states the effects of another mycotoxin found in our food supply, ochratoxin A.

"Risk assessment of the mycotoxin ochratoxin A."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2692617

The major target for OA toxicity in all mammalian species tested is the kidney, and endemic nephropathies affecting livestock as well as humans have been attributed to OA. OA is also teratogenic, and in the fetus the major target is the developing central nervous system. Recent studies have provided "clear evidence" of the carcinogenicity of OA in two rodent species. OA was found to be nonmutagenic in various microbial and mammalian gene mutation assays, but weak genotoxic activity to mammalian cells was noted. In addition, OA was found to suppress immune function. 

So it's teratogenic, meaning it's an agent that interrupts or alters the normal development of a fetus, it's provided "clear evidence" of carcinogenicity, meaning it's cancer causing AND it suppresses immune function.

YET....where are grains on the Standard American Diet (SAD) Pyramid??  Incredibly, we are told to eat more servings of grains than any other food, even fruits and vegetables.  SAD is right!!!

impositive

sdstarfish, Unpasteurized apple cider vinegar is a great antifungal, as well as oil of oregano, olive leaf extract, garlic, probiotics, caprylic acid,  undecylenic acid, neem, grapefruit seed extract...just to name a few.  Vitamins and minerals are also important.  Most fruits and vegetables have antifungal properties, otherwise, they wouldn't survive with all the fungi found in dirt! (It's important to note the sugar content in fruits though...that's what fungi feed on....and cancer) It's also important to take something like psyllium and drink plenty of water to help clean your gut (and liver) of the dead (once you've killed them) organisms and their toxins. Fungi have the ability to become resistant so I rotate mine.  Once I've run out of something, I'll just switch to something new. (usually every month or so)  I dont have a particular "liver cleanse" but I'm sure the "natural girls" do.

sdstarfish

Thanks, girls.

Impositive, is psyllium a liver cleanse or a colon cleanse?

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AnneW

Psyllium is a colon cleanse. Milk Thistle is a liver cleanse.

Barry, I was so sorry to hear about your second primary. I had one, too, very small, no treatment beyond surgery and AI's, which I stopped after 2 years (due to pain) with my surgeon's blessings. That little tumor has probably been there for several years, and is just now getting the size to see on imaging. By the time you can feel it, it's been growing for 6-10 years, depending on its morphology factors.

Get it out and keep doing what you're doing (unless it's aggressive and then you'll just do what's right for you.) Best of luck.

Anne

Hindsfeet

AnneW ...good information on the colon and liver cleanse. Need to do both.

>br>. Thanks for the encouragement. Right now I don't know much about this new cancer, and won't until the breast surgeon gets back in a week or so. I can't believe I didn't asked the breast surgeons questions>




By the way what is Al's?




What I'm going to do now is bathe my breast in coconut oil, which can't hurt it...right. I'll take anti-fungal supplements, my other supplements as well, colon and liver cleanse and try not to stress

This will help my body to prepare for surgery. I know when I went into surgery for my lumpectomies, antibiotics were delivered by an IV. Thank goodness for probiotics!

Hindsfeet

thenewme....Hey, thanks for the nice thoughts and encouragement. It meant a lot!

thenewme

Hi Barry,

As hard as it is to hear when anyone is diagnosed the first time, it really breaks my heart to hear that anyone has to go through it a second time.  It seems just so horribly unfair! 

My best to you! 

digger

Barry,

I'm sorry I didn't see your post sooner, I was at a yoga retreat with no computer access (nor cell phones, newspaper, anything with the outside world....).  I am so sorry to come back and hear this latest news on your biopsy.  We all have our differences, treatment-wise, spiritually-wise, etc., and I wish you nothing but the best in terms of the individual course you decide given this new diagnosis.  Whatever you decide, it is the best for you and what you feel most comfortable with.  I wish you nothing but good health and strength.