Brazilian berry 'Acai" destroys cancer cells
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U.S. Food and Drug Administration
FDA Consumer magazine
January-February 2002
Table of ContentsWhy Drugs Get Pulled Off the Market By Michelle Meadows"But aren't drugs supposed to be safe?"According to Janet Woodcock, M.D., director of the Food and Drug Administration's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research (CDER), people tend to ask that question a lot when a drug is taken off the market. The FDA's mission is making sure that drugs are "safe and effective." So what does "safe" really mean?When it comes to any drug, "safe" means that the benefits of the drug outweigh the risks for the population the drug is intended to treat and for its intended use. "Safe does not mean harmless," Woodcock says. "Every drug comes with risks, and our tolerance for risk is higher for drugs that treat serious and life-threatening illnesses. There is no question that cancer drugs can be highly toxic. But they also save lives." (Flalady-There is no proof cancer saves lives. It can extend lives not cure cancer.)If the FDA decides that a drug's benefits outweigh its risks, the agency approves the drug for marketing. Approved drugs continue to be evaluated through postmarketing surveillance--a system that monitors a drug's safety on an ongoing basis. Postmarketing surveillance seeks to identify problems that weren't observed or recognized before approval and any problems that might arise because a product isn't being used as anticipated. (flalady -hurt how many people for how long?)The goal is to catch any bad news right away so that the FDA and drug companies can act quickly and communicate new risk information to consumers and doctors. CDER evaluates required reports from drug companies, which must promptly pass on any report they receive of a serious adverse reaction that isn't already described in the drug's labeling. CDER also relies on MedWatch, the system through which consumers and health professionals voluntarily report adverse events associated with all products the FDA regulates.When the FDA receives reports of significant new adverse events, the agency evaluates them for their seriousness and the likelihood that they were caused by the drug. To the extent possible, the agency also considers how the toxicity compares with other treatments for the same disease. Ultimately, of course, the critical question is: Do the benefits of this drug still outweigh its risks for the population described in the labeling? In many cases, that question cannot be answered immediately, and more reports must be considered. Sometimes, the impact of labeling revisions needs to be assessed. (Flalady-this could take years to get if off the market!)Usually, when important new risks are uncovered, the risks are added to the drug's labeling and doctors are informed of the new information through letters and other education. It's only rarely that the approval decision on a drug needs to be reassessed and changed. A conclusion that a drug should no longer be marketed is based on the nature and frequency of the adverse effect and how the drug compares with treatment alternatives.When the FDA believes it is clear that a drug no longer has a place in treatment, it will ask the manufacturer to withdraw the drug voluntarily.(See "Safety-Based Drug Withdrawals (1997 - 2001).") Companies have agreed to withdraw the drug in all cases except one--the case of an antidiabetic drug called phenformin, which was taken off the market in 1976 as an imminent hazard, despite the company's objections. If a company does not agree, the FDA can bring formal procedures to require withdrawal. (flalady-the drug manufacturer must VOLUNTARILY pull the product and what loose millions?)At first glance, one might assume that every time a drug comes off the market, it means that somewhere along the way somebody made a horrible mistake--that the drug never should have been on the market in the first place. But FDA experts say that would not be correct. Most often, the withdrawal occurs because of adverse effects that were not seen prior to marketing. Sometimes, there was no clue at all. In other cases, one can see hints of the problem in retrospect, but not the serious events that eventually led to the withdrawal.Many complex factors go into making judgments about benefits and risks, and into ultimately deciding whether a drug should be taken off the market. Here are some major issues, often overlapping, that weigh into the decision-making process. Rare, Unpredictable Problems Most drugs on the market are well-tolerated and their adverse effects are known. Known side effects cause more injuries and deaths than unrecognized side effects. But some problems happen so infrequently that they can't be seen or predicted before a drug gets on the market. Serious drug-induced liver disease, for example, is the leading single reason drugs have been pulled from the market. But it is rare, occurring at a rate of 1 in 5,000 to 1 in 10,000 exposures or less. This will not show up in clinical trials, which will pick up relatively common problems."If we want reasonably rapid access to needed drugs, it's not practical to require that they be tested in 15,000 to 30,000 people, which is what you'd need to be reasonably sure you saw even one case that occurs at a rate of 1 in 5,000 to 10,000," according to Robert Temple, M.D., director of the FDA's office of medical policy. "And the case would need to be recognized as drug induced," he says. So drugs are typically tested in several thousand subjects, allowing detection of relatively common serious adverse events, such as those affecting 1 in 1,000 people. This practical size of clinical trials means we can't know everything about a drug when it gets on the market. Rare events will only surface when the drug is used in larger numbers of people. Temple says, "Sometimes less severe events that are seen in trials can be used to predict the occurrence of rare, more serious events, but that is not always the case, and such predictions have considerable uncertainty."The number of subjects in clinical trials is increasing in some areas of drug development, says Peter Honig, M.D., director of the FDA's office of drug safety. "But the numbers will never be large enough to eliminate the need for postmarketing surveillance." The FDA is working on ways to better predict rare events, especially those related to the liver and heart. But some uncertainties will always be there, including the possibility of rare characteristics that make some people particularly susceptible to an adverse reaction. More Toxic than Expected There are also times when a drug's toxicity is known, but the drug turns out to be more toxic than the clinical trials suggested, which again may only be seen when the drug is used in larger numbers or in different ways.Initially approved in 1997, Baycol (cerivastatin) was a member of a class of cholesterol lowering drugs known as "statins." Baycol and the other five drugs in its class--Lipitor (atorvastatin), Lescol (fluvastatin), Mevacor (lovastatin), Pravachol (pravastatin), and Zocor (simvastatin)--have all been associated with rare reports of rhabdomyolysis, a condition that causes marked breakdown of muscle cells and can sometimes lead to fatal kidney failure and other problems.Knowing this about the statin drugs, the FDA made sure to look for the problem when deciding to approve Baycol. But the agency didn't find unusual risk associated with the drug at that time. "In its first few years, Baycol had a small market share," says Sandra Kweder, M.D., acting director of the FDA's office of review management. "But when FDA approved a higher dose of the drug after initial marketing, use of the drug grew and we could see clearly that Baycol caused the problem more frequently than the other drugs in its class." Problems with Baycol were reported most frequently when it was used at higher doses, when used in elderly patients, and particularly, when used with another lipid-lowering drug called Lopid (gemfibrozil). Baycol was voluntarily withdrawn in the summer of 2001. When Safer Options Are Available When the FDA approved Seldane (terfenadine) in 1985, the drug became the first prescription antihistamine to relieve allergies without causing drowsiness--a side effect that can cause accidents and injuries. A few years after approval, it was discovered that Seldane could cause fatal heart rhythm irregularities when it was used together with drugs that slowed its elimination from the body, or in patients with liver disease.Major efforts to warn against use in such patients were partly successful, but fatal rhythm abnormalities continued to be reported. According to Temple, removal of the drug was considered, but that would have left only one non-sedating antihistamine, so Seldane remained available."But the equation shifted when Allegra came on the market in 1997," Temple says. "Allegra provided exactly the same benefits of terfenadine but without the risk of the potentially fatal heart condition." So the new availability of Allegra (fexofenadine) weighed heavily in the decision to withdraw Seldane. Dangerous Combinations Like Seldane, a heart drug called Posicor (mibefradil) posed problems mainly when used with other drugs. Although Posicor itself did not have unusual toxicity, it was taken off the market in 1998 because of its interactions with at least 25 drugs. It markedly increased the blood levels of those drugs, leading to potentially fatal side effects of the other medications.When Posicor was first marketed in 1997, its labeling warned of possible interactions with three drugs. Two more drugs were later added, but reports of interactions and resulting adverse reactions with even more drugs kept coming. There was concern over whether it was realistic to expect physicians to be able to use Posicor safely, given the many drugs it interacted with. In the absence of any special benefit of Posicor compared to other members of its class, such as effectiveness in people who don't respond to other treatments, the FDA concluded that the drug should be removed from the market.When taken at a higher than recommended dose and when taken with other drugs, Hismanal (astemizole), another non-sedating antihistamine approved in 1988, posed risks similar to Seldane. The drug was withdrawn in 1999, as safer alternatives became available.Beginning about 1990, many potentially harmful interactions between drugs and even between drugs and foods (such as grapefruit juice) were noted with Seldane and other drugs. The discovery led to greater attention by the FDA and drug manufacturers to such interactions before drugs are marketed, Temple says. This represents a significant enhancement of safety assessment. Improper Use The term "safe" also depends on whether a drug is used according to the labeling. This is why the FDA makes sure labeling and advertising for prescription drugs are accurate and balanced--presenting both the benefits and the risks.The major problem with Duract (bromfenac), a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug, was that the directions were not followed. The pain drug was withdrawn in 1998 after liver failure occurred in patients who took the short-term treatment for pain for more than the 10 days recommended in the labeling. Clinical trials indicated that a higher incidence of elevated liver enzymes was associated with longer use. Duract's manufacturer, Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories, Philadephia, added a new warning (Continued from page 14) to the labeling and sent letters out to doctors, but reports of long-term use of the drug continued. When Other Risk Management Options Fail The day you hear news about a drug coming off the market, it may appear to be a sudden, drastic step. But several other options to manage risks usually have been attempted before that point. The main risk management tools employed by the FDA are education through letters to health-care professionals (known within the FDA as "Dear Doctor" letters) and labeling changes, such as new warnings, sometimes boxed in black for emphasis. Also used are required Medication Guides, labeling specifically for patients that emphasizes significant risks and advises patients how to detect or avoid them. In some cases, a drug is labeled as "second line," meaning it is to be used only in patients for whom other treatments fail. In other cases, a drug that is known to be dangerous is still made available under certain circumstances through what's known as restricted distribution (see box).Sometimes these risk management techniques are effective, and other times they aren't. "We have our anecdotes, but there is little systematic study on the effect of drug labeling changes on physician behavior," says Temple.Labeling changes were a partial success with the allergy drug Seldane. Studies showed use of Seldane with inappropriate drugs declined almost 90 percent, but that left considerable exposure to the dangerous combinations, some of which could be lethal.The label of the heartburn treatment Propulsid (cisapride) was changed several times in 1998. The FDA cosponsored a study to evaluate the effect of various regulatory actions, and found that the percentage of patients inappropriately exposed to the drug was unchanged."We know that the farther out we are from the initial approval, the less likely we are to change behavior," Woodcock says. "Once a prescribing pattern has been established, it's hard to change it."Clearly, the more special care that is required, the more physicians must remember, and the more we need other safeguards like spotting dangerous combination uses at the pharmacy level, the more of a challenge risk management becomes. "We do consider whether we are being unreasonable in our expectations, but sometimes that can't be known beforehand," Temple says.Currently, the FDA is involved with several drug safety initiatives, including revamping the drug labeling for physicians to create a highlights section, a relatively short section that will describe the most critical information. Better education is a high priority. "We're looking into better ways to educate the public and doctors about changes in risk information, and to get information out faster," says Honig.But FDA experts say the agency can't do it alone. The FDA judges drug risks for a population, doctors judge risks for individual patients, and patients judge the risks they'll take based on personal values. Ultimately, drug safety requires involvement of all parts of the health system.
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I want to directly address you on the issue I believe is central to my, and others' objection to the selectively attacking approach you are taking here on this board. You stated earlier in this thread:
"Facts are data that are established as true. If it were factual that clinical trial data is seldom reported accurately, there would be indictments and recalled approvals. Show me the "facts." Otherwise, it's just, you know, your opinion. "
There are countless examples where we know drugs are bad for patients and create major problems that go unreported for many years before a whistleblower comes forward to expose the fraud. Vioxx was a good example known to the public already, it took years to get it off the market, and it cause strokes and death to many patients before it was exposed and removed. Neurontin is another good example, as others have posted here today.
"Opinion" is important, and central to the goals of the message board.
As someone else pointed out, the message board is mainly for people to express their personal experiences with breast cancer and it's treatments. Many people also post what they believe to be "data", to provide supportive guidance for readers, and they usually do it with kindness and compassion for the trauma that breast cancer patients are undergoing. If they don't exhibit some humanity in how they present what they believe is "data", usually people let them know that are being unduly harsh. What passes as "data" is usually drug company opinion.
As an example, some of the most helpful threads I have ever seen posted are the ones addressing drug side effects. When I want to get the real low down on drug side effects I find the very best resource is to go to patient message boards and read what people taking the drugs are directly experiencing. Yes, I also go to Pharmacology, but to get the best information on how drugs affect people's lives the message boards give an in depth picture I don't ever get from clinical journals. Often post marketing drug affects are prominent in the message boards long before they are reported by the drug companies or FDA, and often you see significant numbers of patients all reporting side effects that are missing from the clinical literature. The data isn't reported, but when huge numbers of patients all weigh in that they experience certain unreported side effects, it is important information. It isn't available anywhere else.
I see this process of patient report as extremely valuable to both patients and providers. "Data" as reported by drug companies is usually far from the truth, as much as you would like to insist that it is. I don't see you go onto every thread where some frightened patient is experiencing an adverse event after taking a drug, and is asking if anyone else experienced the symptom after starting the drug, and twenty people post that they did also, reassuring her, and go attacking all those people by telling them what they are saying is bad information, unsupported by double blind clinical trial data.
Personal experience is important, and this kind of message board is a wonderful vehicle for it. If people are constantly attacked and their reports of their experience demeaned as wrong and irrelevant, then they stop posting. Selectively targeting the alternatives board to attack people's experience diminishes it's value to everyone, depriving people of the important it could otherwise provide.
Every disease intervention, conventional or alternative, will have responders and nonresponders. Just because something doesn't work for everyone who tries it doesn't mean it doesn't work. Importantly, just as we see with conventional chemotherapy and just about every treatment for chronic and incurable disease, even interventions that "work" to a degree that all agree is "significant", over time the body adapts, and the disease process overcomes the treatment and progresses. The intervention stops working, so there is minimal, or no long term affect on outcome. If you try to judge chemotherapy on the basis of long term outcomes, very little of it makes any appreciable difference in how long patients live. Some may delay recurrence or temporarily increase quality of life to the degree it offsets the side effects. That is their only value, not overall improvement in mortality. No one wants to be deprived of several more months of disease free survival, or better quality of life, even if it is shortlived benefit and there is no overall increase in life span.
I propose that there may well be a number of alternative interventions that offer the same degree of improvement in quality of live, and might also delay recurrence, albeit temporarily, even if we cannot demonstrate significant improvements in longevity, and even if they only deliver benefit to a subgroup of patients. They don't have to be a cure for cancer, to be beneficial. That is an unrealistic standard.
For example, melatonin was once touted as an alternative that would help people with insomnia. It was subjected to clinical trial and found to only help a rather small subgroup of insomnia patients who have a specific derangement of circadian rhythm. So while it doesn't "work" for all insomnia patients, just as most medications don't help a majority of patients with a given condition, it does offer a safe intervention with minimal or no side effects for a select group of patients. If it had not been tried as an alternative, based on anecdotal patient report of benefit (worthless non-fact that should be attacked, according to your criteria), we never would have known.
So in addition to the emotional harm done here on this board when you attack people who report benefit from alternatives, you also are depriving everyone of a forum in which we can discover new, valuable treatments.
Fortunately, most alternative treatments are relatively safe and free of adverse consequences, far more so than experimental drugs, so while 9 out of 10 drugs that are subjected to phase 1 trials fail them due to unacceptable toxicity, most alternatives are generally regarded as safe (GRAS), food grade substances that can be consumed in moderate quantity without risk of toxicity. All toxicity is dose dependent, obviously, even water can be a lethal poison in large enough amounts. I am referring to what a reasonably prudent person would consume of any product.
I hope you will consider that by attacking people here you may well be doing more harm than good, while making the atmosphere here toxic to people who mean no one any harm, aren't selling anything, and only want to convey their personal truth for the benefit of others.
I went to see the list of your posts on this message board as a whole and the vast majority of your posts are right here on the alternatives board, most attacking and negative. I don't see you doing that on other boards. What's up with that? If you were sincere in wanting to quash anything you personally regard as less than scientifically proven fact you really need to be posting an attacking "reality check" on virtually everything people post on this entire message board. That would be horrendously offensive to most people, however, and completely defeat the purpose of a patient message board intended to be a safe place for people with breast cancer to offer support and companionship to one another in their experiences and choices.
Why single us out almost exclusively for your attacks?
I object to the double standard where people who choose alternatives are subjected to attack and belittlement, while those who choose conventional treatments are supported and treated with relative kindness. And it's not just you, LJ13, I don't want to just single you out in my objection. I feel this is a discussion we need to have on this board.
I hope everyone who experiences a benefit from using an alternative care product or regimen will take the time and energy to post about their experience. It is very valuable to us all, even to those who don't seem to appreciate it, and will attack you for it. It takes courage to stand up for your experience here. Just my "opinion", of course.
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Holy Holly Berries Batman!!!!!!
Seriously, I'm gonna stay away from this forum. The personal attacks are not worth me asking for information on alt treatments.
May God give comfort and peace.
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While many of the alternatives are safe and I don't doubt some are beneficial, it's important to be sure that what one is taking in the form of alternatives is not actively interfering with one's traditional treatment. Somehow, my warning about ANTIOXIDANTS and how they directly interfere with the mechanism of many chemotherapies was akin to throwing a red flag in front of a bull. If you are going to go ahead and do the chemo--and I can understand the struggle of making that decision when it goes against what you believe--why negate that risk by taking something that is likely to diminish the benefit of the chemo? I'm not arguing whether or not chemo cures cancer. I know as well as anyone that it does not. But, because of the studies, we DO know the pathways and processes used by the more common chemos. Many chemos exploit FREE RADICALS as their mechanism of action. If ANTIOXIDANTS are known to counteract FREE RADICALS, it just makes sense that one would not want to take ANTIOXIDANTS while undergoing therapy with one of those chemos. How my reminder, placed on this thread early-on for the benefit of those who visit the thread and are unaware of this FACT, was construed as an attack on alternatives/supplements mystifies me. I don't understand why my personal choice to treat stage IV cancer with conventional treatments somehow paints me as someone who is only here to attack a berry.
BTW, if one googles for studies or trials involving the ACAI berry, the first 10 pages of results point to sites that are selling the berry in one form or another. I DID try to research it myself and asking for more information from someone who claimed to have it does not make me LAZY, COMBATIVE, or whatever else. And yes, I DO research anything my onc prescribes before I take it.
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Everyone one needs to do their own research of antioxidants in treatment. Again there is no proof that we should not be using them. For every trial that says no...the next one says yes. This is by no means the final word. Again a few feel this way and expect other to follow their point of view. Do your own research.
The discussion has not been about berries for a few days. Please don't act like that is what we all are talking about when we talk about alternative choices. We do not live in small boxes with no opening We our educated ladies willing to take charge of our health.
Flalady
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Just a couple of notes about some of the more volatile aspects of this discussion.
1. There is a vast difference in claiming that an alternative medicine, such as the Acai, is an effective cancer treatment, and saying it is good for you as it has antioxidants (that is if you are not presently on chemo- thanks Badboob, I did not know that anti-oxidants interfere with chemo). If the poster is claiming it is beneficial for fighting cancer, the poster has the responsibility to others to verify his/her statements with actual data and links so as to not give false hopes to anyone. Unsupported statements could concievably cause someone to change treatment choices and impact them negatively in the long run. There is a world of difference between these claims.
2. Alternative medicines that make you feel good are great. Eating and living healthy are important goals for all of us. They might be helping you with some side effects, etc. It is positive. But when claims are made that impact cancer treatment, the facts should be verified by reputable sites, not sites ending in .com which are usually commercial sites.
2. Sources are very important. Just one testimonial does not a cure make. When I am looking up sources, I go into Yahoo and advanced search, and request only .edu or .gov sources to eliminate all of the commerical sites that are trying to make money off cancer patients, spam, and false cures (It does not always work, but usually). I know that some of you have trouble with anything to do with research, but I think that most research projects have some integrity.
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Mother, I do believe there are some chemos that an ANTIOXIDANT would not interfere with. I did find a few lists via google, but there was disagreements between them so I did not post. I guess this is one of the "check with your oncologist" sort of questions!
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You selectively define "attack" as asking a question about some claim made here, or asking for some data.
Asking a question is not an attack.
Pointing out a conundrum or hypocrisy is not an attack.
Disagreement is not an attack.
Show me the attacks.
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Breast Cancer, Chemotherapy, & Antioxidants
BY JOHANNA ALTGELT & MICHAEL McCULLOCH
INTRODUCTION
Chemotherapy is standard care for many women with breast cancer. While this treatment is often beneficial, there are some notable drawbacks, including the fact that breast cancer cells can become resistant to chemotherapy and that side effects can be debilitating and intolerable.
Scientific evidence suggests that combining certain chemotherapy treatments with certain antioxidants at specific dosages can help improve drug effectiveness or reduce the severity of side effects.
This issue is important because it has long been the opinion of many practicing oncologists that antioxidants should simply not be used concurrently with chemotherapy because it was believed that the combination might inhibit chemotherapy effectiveness. This reluctance stems, in part, from the fact that some chemotherapy drugs work by strongly promoting oxidation. This is especially the case for the class of chemotherapy drugs called anthracyclines (Adriamycin and epirubicin), the alkylating agents (chlorambucil, cyclophosphamide, thiotepa, and busulfan) and the platinum drugs (cisplatin and carboplatin). Antioxidants, by definition, inhibit oxidation, so it was believed that antioxidants would prevent these chemotherapy drugs from working properly.
Chemotherapy drugs that cause high levels of oxidative stress are thought to rely, in part, on using this stress mechanism to kill cancer cells. But oxidative stress might actually reduce the overall effectiveness of chemotherapy. Oxidative stress slows the process of cell replication, but it is during cell replication that chemotherapy actually kills cancer cells (Conklin, 2004), so slower cell replication can mean lower effectiveness of chemotherapy. One approach to addressing this problem is the addition of certain antioxidants at specific dosages to lessen oxidative stress, thus making the chemotherapy treatment more effective (Perumal and Shanthi, 2005).
The interaction between chemotherapy and antioxidants is more complex than simply promoting and inhibiting oxidative stress, however. There are several mechanisms by which chemotherapy functions and antioxidants also have a number of different effects on the body. Each antioxidant has a different interaction with chemotherapy and this effect can even change based upon the dosage used.
Today, the question may in fact not be whether antioxidants should be used in combination with chemotherapy but rather which should be used and at what dosages.
In this evidence-based review article, we discuss the results of current research showing how antioxidants may enhance or, in some cases, inhibit the therapeutic action of specific chemotherapy drugs used in the treatment of breast cancer. Some of these antioxidants may also reduce chemotherapy side effects or inhibit chemotherapy resistance in breast cancer cells. Finally, some of these antioxidants have been found to be useful for restoring the natural antioxidants in the body, which are often depleted after the completion of chemotherapy.
We searched for clinical or laboratory data published in peer-reviewed medical journals, conducted by cancer researchers in universities and medical research facilities around the world, from MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston to Peking University in Beijing and dozens of institutions in between. These studies were published in prestigious, peer-reviewed journals such as Anticancer Research, Breast Cancer Research and Treatment, and the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Some of these studies are still in early stages and include only laboratory data, while others have advanced to include animal or human patients.
We then organized all this data into the major categories of specific chemotherapy drugs. Within each section for a specific drug are found the research on combinations of that drug with various antioxidants, grouped by the name of the antioxidant in question and then by alphabetical order. We also point out specifically which studies were conducted in a laboratory (i.e. using cancer cell cultures), which were conducted using animals, and which were conducted with human volunteers. The dosages given are not necessarily appropriate for all patients and should be individualized with practitioner guidance.
Studies On Single-agent Chemotherapy
DOXORUBICIN/ADRIAMYCIN IN COMBINATION WITH ANTIOXIDANTS
Biochanin A & Silymarin
Biochanin A is a flavonoid found in legumes (the family leguminaceae) and in red clover (Trifolium pratense). Silymarin is extracted from the blessed milk thistle plant (Silybum marianum) which is a member of the sunflower family (Compositae). A laboratory study found that estrogen receptor-positive and multidrug-resistant breast cancer cells that are P-glycoprotein positive became more sensitive to Adriamycin treatment when treated in combination with biochanin A and silymarin (Zhang and Morris, 2003). P-glycoprotein is a protein complex believed to play a role in the resistance of cancer cells to chemotherapy (Rudas and Filipits, 2003). When cancer cells become more sensitive to a chemotherapy drug this means that they can more easily be destroyed by the drug.» Red Clover Tea (good source of Biochanin A): Typical dosage for a tea is 3 cups per day. In capsules and tablets, 2g to 4g, 3 times per day. In tincture, 2 ml to 4 ml, 3 times per day.
» Silymarin: Typical dosages range from 100 mg to 900 mg daily. An example of a good product is one containing 900 mg, standardized to 80% silymarin (720 mg), 30% silibinin (270 mg) and 4.5% isosilybin B complex (40.5 mg). Silibinin is the most biologically active constituent found in silymarin and isosilybin B complex is the most efficient constituent of silymarin in maintaining healthy cell division.
Rutin & Other Flavonoids
Flavonoids are beneficial antioxidants found in fruits and vegetables, especially red grape juice, green tea, soy, and many other legumes. One potential useful example of a beneficial flavonoid is monoHER, one of the most powerfully active antioxidants in flavonoid products, such as Venoruton, which is used to treat varicose veins (van Acker and Boven, 1997). MonoHER is a derivative of the flavonoid rutin, obtained from many sources, such as buckwheat and the buds of the Chinese herb Saphora japonica. It is also found in propolis. The ability of flavonoids to protect the integrity of blood vessels may, in part, explain how they protect the heart.Adriamycin can cause cardiomyopathy, a disease of the heart muscle that impairs the heart's ability to pump blood and deliver it to the rest of the body. Three studies found that flavonoids have a beneficial effect in protecting the heart against Adriamycininduced heart damage. The toxicity of Adriamycin to the heart is thought to be caused by oxidative stress. Flavonoids reduce oxidative stress, which may explain how they protect the heart. The studies, conducted in the Netherlands, found that the flavonoid monoHER almost completely protected the heart without influencing the antitumor effect of Adriamycin treatment against estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer cells (Bast and Kaiserová, 2007; Hüsken and de Jong 1995; van Acker and Boven 1997.)
» Rutin: Typical dosages range from 500 mg to 1,000 mg daily.
Genistein
Genistein is an isoflavone found in legumes, especially soybeans. Isoflavones are antioxidants that counteract the damaging effects of free radicals in body tissues.Genistein has structural similarity to estradiol and therefore competes with estradiol for estrogen receptor binding. This blocks estradiol from stimulating cell growth (Sarkar and Adsule, 2006).
Isoflavones, such as genistein, also have antiangiogenic effects, blocking the formation of new blood vessels needed to support the growth of tumors.
Genistein sensitizes cancer cells to apoptosis induced by chemotherapeutic agents including Taxotere, gemcitabine, and cisplatin. Apoptosis is the "cellular programming" in the DNA which instructs cells to self-destruct when they have reached the end of their intended life cycle. Apoptosis is a natural and desirable part of cellular growth, and cancer cells "forget" when they are supposed to stop growing, thus contributing to uncontrolled cell growth. Some chemotherapy drugs can help induce apoptosis in cancer cells.
Genistein also directly inhibits breast cancer cell growth both in cell culture and animals (Sarkar & Adsule, 2006).
A laboratory study from Japan showed genistein made estrogen receptor-negative breast cancer cells more responsive to Adriamycin treatment, thus increasing effectiveness. In contrast, no effect or even decreased drug effectiveness was noted in estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer cells (Lim and Kim, 2006).
Another laboratory study from Japan showed that HER2/neu-positive breast cancer cells (which contributes to malignant transformation of cancer cells) were more sensitive to treatment when the combination of genistein and Adriamycin was used (Satoh and Nishikawa, 2003). A laboratory study conducted in Italy found that genistein increases the treatment effect of Adriamycin in both estrogen receptor-positive and estrogen receptor-negative breast cancer cells. This effect was even stronger in Adriamycin resistant breast cancer cells (Monti and Sinha, 1994). When cancer cells become resistant to a chemotherapy drug, this lowers the drug's effectiveness. An important goal of cancer research is to identify compounds which can reduce chemotherapy resistance, and thus perhaps increase chemotherapy effectiveness.
» Genistein: A good product will use organic non-GMO genistein. Typical dosages range from 40 mg to 60 mg daily. One cup of soy milk will contain on average about 45 mg of genistein and the other related isoflavones.
Glutathione
Adriamycin can cause cardiomyopathy (damage to heart muscle). This injury may happen through oxidation. In one study, dietary glutathione and Adriamycin administered to rats showed that this combination can diminish Adriamycin-induced oxidative damage to the heart muscle (Cao and Kennedy, 1999).» Glutathione: Typical dosage ranges between 50 mg and 600 mg daily. N-acetyl cysteine is the pre-cursor of glutathione and is more efficiently absorbed. When taking Glutathione or N-acetyl cysteine, combine with three times as much vitamin C. Vitamin C prevents these amino acids from being oxidized in the body and ensures their ability to act as antioxidants.
Grape Seed Polyphenol
Grape seed polyphenol increased effectiveness of Adriamycin against estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer cells and also reversed Adriamycin resistance in an animal study from China (Zhang and Zhou, 2004).Grape Seed extract strongly increases the treatment effect of Adriamycin in both estrogen receptor-positive and -negative breast cancer cells according to a US study (Sharma and Tyagi, 2004).
» Grape Seed Polyphenol (Grape Seed Extract): Sometimes products may combine grape seed extract with the extract called Resveratrol, the "red wine antioxidant" from the red pigment of grape skins. Typical dosages range between 50 mg and 200 mg daily.
Green Tea Polyphenols
Epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG) is the principal polyphenol found in green tea.In a laboratory study from China, it was demonstrated that green tea polyphenol improved effectiveness of Adriamycin in estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer cells that had become resistant to adriamycin treatment (Zhu and Wang, 2001).
» Green Tea Polyphenols (EGCG): One cup of green tea contains between 10 and 400 mg of polyphenols depending on the source, amount of leaves used, and time the tea steeps. EGCG may be conveniently obtained from extracts. A good product contains 725 mg, standardized to 98% polyphenols, 45% of which is EGCG.
Melatonin
Melatonin protects hematopoietic stem cells from Adriamycin treatment according to a Japanese study (Greish and Sanada, 2005). Hematopoietic stem cells produce the different components of blood, including red and white blood cells and, if damaged by chemotherapy, may lead to anemia or immune deficiency.Also, an animal and laboratory study from Korea showed that the addition of melatonin to treatment with Adriamycin decreased mortality in rats by 20%. This treatment also reduced Adriamycin-induced side effects, such as weight loss and problems with the blood pressure or blood flow output of the heart. These researchers also found that when melatonin was given together with Adriamycin, a lower dose of chemotherapy could achieve the same efficacy as a higher dose of Adriamycin treatment alone (Kim and Kim 2005).
In an Italian study, 77 advanced breast cancer patients received chemotherapy alone or a combination of chemotherapy and melatonin. Patients treated with melatonin had significantly higher 1-year survival rates and tumor regression rates. In addition, melatonin treated patients had less thrombocytopenia. (Thrombocytopenia is a reduction in platelets, which are cells in the blood that help blood to clot. Thrombocytopenia is sometimes associated with abnormal bleeding.) Patients receiving melatonin also experienced reduced neurotoxicity (damage to the nerves including weakness or numbness, memory loss, headache, cognitive and behavioral problems and sexual dysfunction), cardiotoxicity (toxicity that effects the heart), stomatitis (inflammation of the mouth), and asthenia (loss of strength and energy). This study concluded that in advanced breast cancer patients with poor clinical status, melatonin may reduce toxicity and increase efficacy of treatment (Lissoni and Barni, 1999).
» Melatonin: Typical dosages range from 1 mg to 20 mg. If aiming for a high dosage, one should start with 1 mg and increase the dosage slowly by 1 mg every 3-7 days. The ideal is to achieve peak blood levels of melatonin at about 2am. To do so one can take the melatonin half an hour before bedtime between 9 and 10pm. For
more discussion about the healing value of sleep, click here.Micronized Zeolite
Zeolites (from the Greek "zein," meaning "to boil", and "lithos," meaning "stone") are minerals with a porous structure. A Croatian study found that combined treatment of zeolite and Adriamycin in mice and dogs with cancer lead to a reduction in pulmonary metastasis (Zarkovic and Zarkovic, 2003).» Micronized Zeolite: Usually this is available in a liquid form and dosages range from 5 drops twice a day to 10 drops 3 times a day.
Fish Oil Concentrate (Omega-3, EPA, & DHA)
Mice with estrogen receptor-negative breast cancer were treated with Adriamycin and fed fish oil concentrate. The control group was treated with Adriamycin and given standard food. Mice that were given food supplemented with fish oil concentrate had significantly less tumor growth than the control group (Hardman and Munoz, 2002).In another animal study of mice with induced breast cancer, one group was given feed containing 5% corn oil and the other was given 3% fish oil concentrate and 2% corn oil. The group fed with added fish oil concentrate responded better to treatment with Adriamycin without increased toxicity (Hardman and Avula, 2001).
A third animal study from India of mice with estrogen receptor-negative breast cancer showed that the incidence of lung metastases and tumor growth rate was significantly less in mice whose diet was supplemented with fish oil concentrate versus mice fed a diet high in corn oil (Rose and Connolly, 1993). This demonstrated that the fish oil helped reduce the ability of breast cancer cells to grow, and to spread to the lungs.
» Omega 3 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids (PUFA, from fish oil): Typical dosage range is from 1,000 mg to 10,000 mg daily.
Quercetin
Quercetin is a flavonoid found in capers, apples, tea, onions, red grapes, citrus fruits, leafy green vegetables, cherries, and raspberries. Quercetin has anti-inflammatory activity, inhibits allergic and inflammatory reactions, and has strong antioxidant activity.An Italian laboratory study found that quercetin greatly increases the treatment effect of Adriamycin in estrogen receptor-positive Adriamycin-resistant breast cancer cells (Scambia and Ranelletti, 1994).
» Quercetin: Typical dosages range from 200 mg to 1,200 mg daily.
All-Trans Retinoic Acid (ATRA )
Retinoic acid is the acidified form of vitamin A (Retinol), the animal form of vitamin A. Retinol is a fat-soluble, antioxidant vitamin important in bone growth and vision. Retinol is ingested in a precursor form from animal foods (liver and eggs) and plants (carrots and spinach). In a laboratory study from Poland, researchers found that the antitumor activity of Adriamycin against estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer cells is increased when ATRA is added. Interestingly, the combination of ATRA and Adriamycin significantly outperformed the combination of Adriamycin and tamoxifen (Czeczuga-Semeniuk and Wo?czyski, 2004).From Italy, a laboratory study testing estrogen receptorpositive breast cancer cells found that the combination of ATRA and Adriamycin inhibited cell growth more than either treatment alone (Toma and Maselli, 1997).
From the United States, a laboratory study found that ATRA makes estrogen receptor-positive and -negative cells more vulnerable to Adriamycin treatment (Wang and Yang, 2000).
A fourth study, from France, found that in multidrugresistant estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer cells, which are highly invasive, ATRA decreases their ability to metastasize (Affoué and Akeli, 1999). Tretinoin is the generic name and Vesanoid is one of the trade names for this prescription drug.
Selenium
Two laboratory studies demonstrated selenium enhanced the treatment effect of Adriamycin in estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer cells (Li and Zhou, 2007; Vadgama and Wu, 2000).» Selenium (mineral): The US adult Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) is 400 mcg a day and the Lowest Observed Adverse Effects Level (LOAEL) for adults is about 900 mcg daily. Selenium is best used in its highly absorbable amino acid forms, such as Lselenocysteine and L-selenomethionine.
Silibinin
Silibinin (also called silybin) is an important active compound found in silymarin, extracted from blessed milk thistle (Silybum marianum). In a laboratory study from the United States, silibinin increased the ability of Adriamycin to inhibit growth of estrogen receptor-positive and -negative breast cancer cells (Tyagi and Agarwal 2004).Silibinin potentiates the effect of Adriamycin in Adriamycin-resistant estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer cells according to a laboratory study from Italy (Scambia and De Vincenzo, 1996).
» Silymarin: Silibinin is the most biologically active constituent found in silymarin and isosilybin B complex is the most efficient constituent of silymarin in maintaining healthy cell division. Typical dosages range from 100 mg to 900 mg daily. An example of a good product is one containing 900 mg, standardized to 80% silymarin (720 mg), 30% silibinin (270 mg) and 4.5% isosilybin B complex (40.5 mg).
Topical 99% Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO)
Dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) is a natural substance derived from wood pulp. Two patients undergoing Adriamycin treatment developed grade three palmar-plantar erythrodysesthesia syndrome (more commonly known as hand and foot syndrome). Their symptoms resolved over one to three weeks after receiving topical 99% DMSO four times daily for fourteen days (Lopez and Wallace, 1999).» Dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO): This product is used topically in small amounts such as 1/8 teaspoon. Thorough cleaning of the skin prior to use is essential. Drying of the skin can occur. This should be a practitioner-guided approach.
DOCETAXEL (TAXOTERE) IN COMBINATION WITH ANTIOXIDANTS
All Trans Retinoic Acid (ATRA)
ATRA increased effectiveness of Taxotere in a laboratory study when estrogen receptor-positive and -negative breast cancer cells are pretreated with ATRA three days prior to treatment with Taxotere (Wang and Wieder, 2004).Gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA)
According to a US study (Menendez and Ropero, 2004), the omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) and vitamin E, used in combination, enhance the effectiveness of Taxotere in human breast cancer cells (both estrogen receptor positive and negative).» Gamma-linolenic Acid (GLA): Available as evening primrose oil, borage seed oil, and black currant seed oil. Typical doses range from about 300 mg to 3,000 g daily, usually with meals.
Garlic
There has been concern that garlic may alter the way drugs are metabolized. In a study conducted at the National Cancer Institute, researchers found that garlic does not significantly affect the way Taxotere circulates through the body, but it may reduce the body's ability to clear Taxotere (Cox and Low, 2006). This could potentially increase levels of the drug in the blood.» Garlic (from the garlic plant): Typical dosage is approximately one teaspoonful of fresh garlic or 1,000 mg to 3,000 mg of a standardized extract. Note that the active ingredient, allicin, is inactivated by cooking.
Genistein
Genistein was found to sensitize cancer cells to Taxotere treatment in a laboratory study conducted in the US (Sarkar and Adsule, 2006). Another US laboratory and animal study confirmed that genistein significantly increases Taxotere's effectiveness in estrogen receptor-negative cancer cells (Li and Ahmed, 2005).» Genistein: A good product will use organic non-GMO genistein. Typical dosages range from 40 mg to 60 mg daily. One cup of soy milk will contain on average about 45 mg of genistein and the other related isoflavones.
Vitamin E
Palmar-plantar erythrodysesthesia (also known as hand-foot syndrome) is a painful feeling in the palms of the hands and the soles of the feet that can sometimes make the skin to turn a red or dark pink color. The skin can also develop ulcers, blisters, or sores. The chemotherapy drugs most likely to cause hand-foot syndrome are cyclophosphamide, Taxotere, Adriamycin, liposomal Adriamycin, etoposide, fluorouracil, hydroxyurea, mercaptopurine, methotrexate, mitotane, bleomycin, capecitabine, cytarabine, and thiotepa.In a human clinical study from Turkey, five patients treated with a Taxotere and capecitabine combination developed moderately severe palmar-plantar erythrodysesthesia (hand-foot syndrome). They started vitamin E therapy at 300 mg a day (equivalent to 450 IU) without dose reduction of chemotherapy. After one week of treatment, hand-foot syndrome symptoms began to disappear (Kara and Sahin, 2006).
Note that the usual treatment for hand-foot syndrome is dose reduction of chemotherapy, which may lead to reduced effectiveness. This study is important because patients were able to continue at the therapeutic dose of chemotherapy with the help of adjunctive vitamin E.
» Vitamin E: Avoid synthetic vitamin E, such as alpha-tocopherol or succinate. Seek out the mixed tocopherols, particularly those containing the vitamin E fractions called tocotrienols and gamma-tocopherol. Typical dosage ranges from 50 IU to 800 IU daily.
PACLITAXEL/TAXOL IN COMBINATION WITH ANTIOXIDANTS
Curcumin
Curcumin is an extract of the Indian curry spice plant turmeric. It is a polyphenol and produces the yellow color of turmeric. An animal study showed that curcumin enhances the effectiveness of treatment with Taxol and also prevents lung metastasis (Aggarwal and Shishodia, 2005).» Curcumin: The best supplements contain curcumin at 75% or higher concentration. Typical doses range from 500 mg to 4,000 mg daily. Take with meals, as they can cause stomach upset when taken on an empty stomach. Bioavailability is increased when combined with piperine, the alkaloid responsible for the pungency of black pepper.
Genistein
In a study from Taiwan, genistein (an isoflavone found in soybeans) significantly decreased the effectiveness of both Taxol and vincristine in treating estrogen receptor-positive and -negative cancer cells (Liao and Pan, 2004). It is not recommended that genistein be combined with Taxol or vincristine.Green Tea
Epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG) is the principal polyphenol found in green tea. A laboratory study from the US found that EGCG increased the sensitivity of human breast cancer cells to treatment with Taxol. It achieved this effect at concentrations that are similar to those in the blood after an oral dose of EGCG (Masuda and Suzui, 2003).» Green Tea Extract: One cup of green tea contains between 10 and 400 mg of polyphenols depending on the source, amount of leaves used, and time the tea steeps. EGCG may be conveniently obtained from extracts. A good product contains 725 mg, standardized to 98% polyphenols, 45% of which is EGCG.
Propolis
Propolis is a resinous substance that honey bees collect from tree buds to prevent diseases in the hive. It is used in human health to protect the heart, reduce inflammation, heal skin burns, treat tooth decay and gum disease, and for its antibiotic, antiviral and antifungal properties.In an animal study from India, the combination of Taxol and propolis protected mice against developing cancer more strongly than did treatment with either Taxol or propolis alone (Padmavathi and Senthilnathan, 2006). The researchers found that in animals given propolis, their bodies were less susceptible to oxidative damage to their fat cells, and they had an increase in activity of antioxidants.
» Propolis: Insist on propolis that is tested to avoid heavy metal content. Typical dosage range is from 100 mg to 3,000 mg daily.
All Trans Retinoic Acid (ATRA)
In a laboratory study from Canada, researchers found that ATRA sensitizes estrogen receptor positive cells to Taxol (Pratt and Niu, 2006). Tretinoin is the generic name, and Vesanoid is one of the trade names for this prescription drug.Vitamin E
A human trial was conducted in Greece with thirty-one patients to evaluate the neuroprotective effect of vitamin E when used together with cisplatin and Taxol chemotherapy treatment. Whereas 73.3% of control patients receiving chemotherapy alone developed neurotoxicity side effects, only 25% of patients who received 600 mg (or 900 IU) per day of vitamin E in combination with chemotherapy developed neuropathy, during and up to three months after chemotherapy (Argyriou and Chroni, 2005).» Vitamin E: Avoid synthetic vitamin E, such as alpha-tocopherol or succinate. Seek out the mixed tocopherols, particularly those containing the vitamin E fractions called tocotrienols and gamma-tocopherol. Typical dosage ranges from 50 IU to 800 IU daily.
EPIRUBICIN/ELLENCE IN COMBINATION WITH ANTIOXIDANTS
Flavonoids
In a study from Hungary, chemotherapy-resistant estrogen receptor-
negative breast cancer cells became more sensitive to treatment
with epirubicin when treated with flavonoids (Gyémánt and
Tanaka, 2005).Superoxide Dismutase, Catalase, & Glutathione
A laboratory study from Turkey study showed that the addition of superoxide dismutase, catalase and glutathione, to estrogen receptor positive cancer cells treated with epirubicin, decreased the ability of epirubicin to kill cancer cells (Ozkan and Fiskin, 2006). It is not recommended that these antioxidants be combined with epirubicin.Melatonin
Fourteen women with metastatic breast cancer were treated with epirubicin. Melatonin at 20 mg a day was started seven days prior to chemotherapy and continued every day through treatment. Twelve patients were evaluable after four cycles of chemotherapy. Nine out of twelve patients had normalization of platelet number and no further decline in platelet number occurred (Lissoni and Tancini, 1999).» Melatonin: Typical dosages range from 1 mg to 20 mg. If aiming for a high dosage, one should start with 1 mg and increase the dosage slowly by 1 mg every 3-7 days. The ideal is to achieve peak blood levels of melatonin at about 2am. To do so one can take the melatonin half an hour before bedtime between 9 and 10pm.
CYCLOPHOSPHAMIDE/CYTOXAN IN COMBINATION WITH ANTIOXIDANTS
Curcumin
A US study using an animal model of human breast cancer found that supplementation with curcumin inhibited tumor regression and decreased cell death from treatment with cyclophosphamide (Somasundaram and Edmund, 2002).Coenzyme Q10, Riboflavin, and Niacin
In India, a human study with 78 patients found that co-administration of tamoxifen with 100 mg CoQ10, 10 mg riboflavin, and 50 mg niacin reverted all lipid and lipoprotein abnormalities back to normal within 90 days of combination therapy (Yuvaraj and Premkumar, 2007). Rats with induced breast cancer treated with tamoxifen and CoQ10, riboflavin, and niacin had near normal levels of lipid peroxide and enzymatic and non-enzymatic antioxidants. Furthermore antitumor activity was enhanced. (Perumal and Shanthi, 2005).» Coenzyme Q10: Oil softgels have higher absorption. Daily doses of CoQ10 range from 30 mg to 300 mg and is best taken with food. About three weeks of daily dosing are necessary to reach maximal serum concentrations of CoQ10. Bioavailability is increased when combined with piperine. The most advanced version of COQ10 is the more highly absorbable version called Ubiquinol.
» Riboflavin (Vitamin B2): Typical doses can range between 100 mg and 200 mg per day.
» Niacin (Vitamin B3): Typical doses can range between 100 mg and 1200 mg per day. Slow dose escalation is essential to acclimate the body to the "niacin flush". Some people find that the niacinamide version does not cause flush.
Vitamin C & E
Tamoxifen, a hormonal inhibition treatment for breast cancer, can cause lipid abnormalities. A human study in India found that administering 500 mg vitamin C and 400 mg (or 600 IU) of vitamin E for 90 days to postmenopausal breast cancer patients undergoing tamoxifen treatment significantly decreased the lipid abnormalities (Babu and Sundravel, 2000).» Vitamin C: The LOAEL (Lowest Observed Adverse Effect Level) is 3,000 mg daily. Many people find that doses above 3,000 mg can cause diarrhea. Using buffered Vitamin C can help reduce stomach and intestinal irritation.
» Vitamin E: Avoid synthetic vitamin E, such as alpha-tocopherol or succinate. Seek out the mixed tocopherols, particularly those containing the vitamin E fractions called tocotrienols and gammatocopherol. Typical dosage ranges from 50 IU to 800 IU daily.
Studies on Combination Chemotherapy Protocols
Cyclophosphamide, Methotrexate, 5-Fluorouracil (CMF)
Melatonin (not as supplement)
A study from Poland discovered that the combination treatment CMF induced an increase in the body's natural melatonin levels in the blood. These melatonin levels did not differ between women who were tested as healthy controls and women prior to chemotherapy treatment. But following CMF treatment, melatonin was significantly increased. The researchers postulated that this increase may actually be an essential component to successful treatment with CMF (Kajdaniuk and Marek, 2001).CONCLUSION
This review of research, including laboratory, animal, and human studies, found data in most cases supporting the combination of antioxidants with chemotherapy. Much of the evidence available, however, is from laboratory studies rather than randomized, controlled human studies, so if patients and practitioners decide to use antioxidants, they are faced with some uncertainty as to which antioxidants to use and at which dosages. Further research should help to identify optimal dosing schedules and further investigate the wide range of nutritional and herbal therapies that exist for additional treatment candidates.When a patient decides not to take antioxidants with chemotherapy, they should discontinue all antioxidants two weeks prior to chemotherapy and not resume until two to three weeks after the last session. The risk is that healthy cells may be less protected against chemotherapy and could include serious consequences such as organ damage and impaired immune function and, therefore, prevent the body's ability to fight cancer. The cancer itself may also be more able to develop resistance to chemotherapy. The benefit could be that the chemotherapy drugs may work better.
When a patient decides to take antioxidants with chemotherapy, they should continue to take antioxidants before, during, or after chemotherapy in consultation with a knowledgeable practitioner. The risk is that antioxidants could interfere with chemotherapy and cancer cells not killed by the first round may become resistant to future treatment. The benefit is that antioxidants may help chemotherapy work better, protect healthy cells against the harmful effects of chemotherapy, and reduce side effects.
While there is still no consensus among medical practitioners on the issue of whether or not to combine antioxidants with chemotherapy, we hope that this discussion will help patients in the process of informed decision making as they work together with their medical team.
Johanna Altgelt is an associate researcher at the Pine Street Foundation.
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And this statement: "When a patient decides to take antioxidants with chemotherapy, they should continue to take antioxidants before, during, or after chemotherapy in consultation with a knowledgeable practitioner. The risk is that antioxidants could interfere with chemotherapy and cancer cells not killed by the first round may become resistant to future treatment. The benefit is that antioxidants may help chemotherapy work better, protect healthy cells against the harmful effects of chemotherapy, and reduce side effects" is different than what I was saying how?
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Everyone, I now hate the berry (just kidding!). Although, I agree with one of the previous posters that most of what I read is a sales pitch vs. actual data.
FlaLady - I really liked your last post - thank you, and it was very informative.
It goes along with what my naturopathic doctor and conventional Oncologist told me as I am on CMF (feeling fine, blood counts going down so I know it is doing something).
They both told me to not take antioxidents during chemo. Which is why I am telling my non "cancer vixen" friends to load up on them - I think they really do work. I will be going back to them once I am done with chemo.
Have a great day everyone!
Susan
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I agree that many research projects have "integrity" but many do not and since this is not a scientific board and is a place where exchange of information can occur based on personal experience (and the experience of others) you (and I ) are welcome to continue researching on our own.. That being said, these boards are not designed as scientific exchanges (although I have seen some incredible ones here!) they are indeed a support group.. so if you (or I) disagree on what constitutes support then we go somewhere else that IS supportive to our experience.
The world is full of false cures and there are many cures that have not been "proven" within our scientific world. That doesn't mean we should take the cures that have been approved by FDA if people are dying from them and it doesn't mean that we should ignore cures that people have determined help them.. it is all subjective and therefore opinion.. IMO this is an exchange of valuable information within a group who has nothing to gain but their lives - no money exchanges hand - just the hand itself!
This is a place of support, if information of a scientific nature is passed from one person to another here that is great, but always remember this is not a scientific space, this is a space for support and therefore citing is NOT required no matter how much someone wants it to be. If you can't be supportive then you really should consider going somewhere where YOU can get the support you need.
I say this with all sincerity!
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"When a patient decides to take antioxidants with chemotherpay, they should take antioxidants before, during and after chemotherapy in consultation with a knowledgeable practioner."
Well, that's really the problem of the day, isn't it? How many of us are in the care of oncologists who actually know very much about supplements?
Over and over again on these threads, I've read that "my onc says taking xyz is a no-no", followed by someone else stating that "my naturopath says I should be taking xyz".
Is there any wonder that some of us truly question some of the statements made here? Questioning these statements helps all of us in the long run, and I do not think any person posting here is "attacking", but merely saying "Show me the proof". Each of us has been given the diagnosis we've dreaded ever receiving. We are in the fight of our lives, and we deserve answers, however they might be asked. I really appreciate those who provide info (and who clearly state their sources).
Respectfully,
Linda
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Missed it again...you took out one paragraph and not the whole article. The article clearly states the benefits of antioxidants. If you like I will post ten to twenty more that shows benefits.
You are willing to throw the baby out with the bath water because a few doctor who used small trials on antioxidants can't make up their mind? If you really study how the "whole" body works you will understand there is proof.
Flalady
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ORIGINAL RESEARCH COMMUNICATION
Low antioxidant vitamin intakes are associated with increases in adverse effects of chemotherapy in children with acute lymphoblastic leukemia1,2,3
Deborah D Kennedy1, Katherine L Tucker1, Elena D Ladas1, Susan R Rheingold1, Jeffrey Blumberg1 and Kara M Kelly11 From the Division of Pediatric Oncology, Department of Pediatrics, College of Physicians & Surgeons, Columbia University, New York (DDK, EDL, and KMK); the Division of Oncology, The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (SRR); and the US Department of Agriculture Jean Mayer Human Nutrition Research Center for Aging ((KLT and JB) and the Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy (DDK, KLT, and JB) at Tufts University, Boston
Background: Chemotherapy leads to an increase in reactive oxygenspecies, which stresses the antioxidant defense system. Childrenwith acute lymphoblastic leukemia rarely are overtly malnourished,which makes this population ideal for an investigation of therelations between dietary antioxidant consumption, plasma antioxidantconcentrations, and chemotherapy-induced toxicity.
Objective: This study was conducted to investigate the effectof therapy on antioxidant intakes in children with acute lymphoblasticleukemia, the relation between dietary antioxidant intakes andplasma antioxidant concentrations, and the relation betweenthe incidence of side effects due to treatment and antioxidantintake.
Design: We conducted a 6-mo observational study of 103 childrenwith acute lymphoblastic leukemia. Plasma micronutrient concentrations,dietary intakes, and incidence of side effects of chemotherapywere ascertained at diagnosis and after 3 and 6 mo of therapy.
Results: Throughout the 6-mo study period, subjects ingestedvitamin E, total carotenoid, ß-carotene, and vitaminA in amounts that were 66%, 30%, 59%, and 29%, respectively,of the US recommended dietary allowance or of the amounts specifiedin the third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey.Greater vitamin C intakes at 6 mo were associated with fewertherapy delays, less toxicity, and fewer days spent in the hospital.Greater vitamin E intakes at 3 mo were associated with a lowerincidence of infection. Greater ß-carotene intakesat 6 mo were associated with a decreased risk of toxicity.
Conclusion: A large percentage of children undergoing treatmentfor acute lymphoblastic leukemia have inadequate intakes ofantioxidants and vitamin A. Lower intakes of antioxidants areassociated with increases in the adverse side effects of chemotherapy
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No, WHAT I SAID WAS THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS. THE ARTICLE SAID THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS.YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE SELECTIVE READING COMPREHENSION.
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FlaLady, if you are addressing me, then I'm afraid you are missing the point -- the point being that most oncologists are NOT knowledgeable about supplements and therein lies our biggest problem as cancer patients -- given that most of us are in the habit of taking our onc's advice.
Please read again what I wrote very carefully and you will see that your accusation has no merit.
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That article mentions that antioxidants can help with side effects of chemo. Nothing about increasing the efficacy of it.
Frankly I don't care if something might help me feel better during chemo, if there is any chance that it compromises the efficacy.
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Deirdere,
I want to be supportive, but I do not want misconceptions to reign on the forums. I really like the thread about Dr. Nobuto Yamamoto and his research, the mushroom thread, and the organic food thread. These discuss promising future treatments for cancer and eating healthy to avoid a recurrence. These are very valid discussion that support and encourage us all.
However, there is a world of difference between saying a treatment is an effective cancer "cure" and just saying it is good for your immune system, etc.
There is a world of difference between saying the Acai berry is an effective cancer treatment (even though the writers said applesauce gave the same results), and saying Acai berries contain antioxidants the body can absorb.
I am a microbiologist by training, and sometimes I make corrections regarding biochemical statements (e.g. enzymes are alive). Sometimes I identify flaws in logic or in understanding of the scientific method. These are not attacks and they are not meant to be non-supportive, it is to just guide the discussion to valid conclusions. Sweeping statements regarding a cure need to be verified. We all have a vested interest in finding valid treatments for cancer.
P.S. I too appreciated FLALady's description of chemo and antioxidant interactions. The bottom line is when doing chemo, do your own research regarding nutrition.
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Alternative products and methods will always come out on the short end of the stick if they are required to have the same extensive documentation that drug trials provide. There simply isn't the potential for profit inherent in a natural product or lifestyle change that a pharmaceutical product can provide to a profitmaking venture. The investment backing isn't there. Most of the time alternatives will not have anywhere near the scientific evaluation that would adequately prove their worth.
If anything, that makes us even more reliant on the self report of individuals who are willing to testify to their experience of benefit (or no benefit) from these alternatives. And more important that people feel they can post without feeling attacked.
The tone and tenor of how a question is asked obviously contributes greatly to the issue here, and since so many people give the feedback of feeling insulted and attacked here I think that is extremely relevant information. Most people know how to be tactful and respectful when they want to be, and unless someone really intends to be disrespectful and dismissive of others then I believe it is incumbent on all to go the extra distance to be kind. If you cannot be kind, then I hope people will at least try to ask questions in a neutral, non-inflammatory fashion.
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The supplement industry is a multi-billion dollar industry (over $20 billion at the last count).
That sounds pretty profitable to me. Plenty profitable to conduct trials proving efficacy. Unless, of course, they know they can't prove efficacy. Then it would be wasted money.
Still, if they proved that supplements worked, then they would be able to advertise them as being able to treat or cure a medical condition, which would increase their sales dramatically. Sounds like a good business choice. However, it is predicated on them being able to prove their products work.
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07rescue, there is no tone in text. It is words on a page. I often dash off posts as I am working ... I don't have time to worry about whether someone is going to possibly take offense to something. If you choose to take offense, that is your choice. If you want to read tone into a post, that is your choice. If people would choose to focus on the words, not some imagined tone, there would be a whole lot less bs to deal with here.
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Yes, and when I see a supposed "reference" site about this berry in particular boldly stating, "Chemotherapy involves bombarding the body with radiation" I get a little worried that the other information on the site might not be terribly reliable.
The same scientific method is used to develop the diagnostic tools that diagnosed your cancer. The companies that developed those tools are also in it for the $$. Why do you believe you even HAVE cancer?
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Motheroffoursons, you made me smile.....applesauce....wonderful.
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The thing to remember with any protocal is know your disease. Know what you are taking and why. Don't over dose on anything. Every clinic I've been to said do what ever you want but don't mega dose anything while in treatment. The key is know when to take supplement along with treatment and when not too. If you are on weekly chemo, never take supplements the day before chemo, day of chemo, or the next day. If you are having large dose chemo monthly wait one week. Chemo really is in your body just a few days before it leaves your body.
Ladies have early stage disease I can see why you would not want to put anything in the mix unless you are having serious side effects. If the side effects are really bad. Do what you need to do because there is very little proof chemo works for early stage disease. For us later stages..l'm not going to let chemo kill me or destroy my quality of life for a chemo that has less than 10% chance of holding me two to three months. If you are on inhibitors research your drug for any interactions. You some common sense. Your doctor does not research supplement and will not take the time. It will be your job to do your homework.
Flalady
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I want to add that I believe simply having a discussion about all this is very helpful. It's very helpful to me when people include information about who they are and where they are coming from, because then it is much easier to put their contributions and questions into context.
I am a lifelong paramedic, disabled since 9-11, now doing some work as a medical writer (I refuse work from the drug companies after several projects I was offered by them proved so ethically questionable I had to refuse them). I studied botanical medicine, acupuncture, and massage therapy for 25 years, working in hospice care with alternative and complementary modalities. When conventional medicine has no further options for people, alternatives can be very helpful. I believe in approaches that help and are safe, as well as appropriate for the patient.
I utilize both conventional and alternative care in the treatment of my own HER2 positive breast cancer, as well as my lifelong endometriosis and rheumatoid arthritis, so I have considerable personal experience with long term, chronic, incurable diseases, and have really benefitted from and appreciate both conventional and alternative treatments.
I have found that I have to be much more lenient and generous in evaluating alternative treatments, because of the very limited financing available to document their effects. That is not to say uncritical or sloppy, just to adjust for the fact that there is a greater danger of prematurely dismissing them, "throwing out the baby wih the bath water", so to speak. Most should be regarded as a work in progress.
I think it is a given that unscrupulous individuals will try to make outlandish claims for products that produce at best a small benefit, and that is a big problem in alternative and conventional care. As Floridalady points out, this problem exists with conventional chemotherapy, where tiny absolute benefit, accompanied by significant risk and morbidity, is inflated by the use of spin to sound like great benefit to encourage patients to endure the risks and side effects. Is either acceptable?
Often it is the value system the patient holds as their preference that determines what they choose, and whether I or anyone else thinks it best is irrelevant. We all do have the right to decide what we believe is best for our lives and what we permit to be done to our bodies. We have a right to that bias, and to place our faith in a treatment we can believe in. Judging people for a decision that conflicts with our personal belief system can come across very harshly. I am suggesting that it is more productive to take a moment and try to soften that judgmentalism, and express appreciation for people's experiences. I'm not always able to do that myself, but I do try.
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With all due respect.. Here's the problem with all of this "who I am" information.. motherofourboys how do I know that you are a microbiologists and 7rescue again how do I know or why should I care that you have a paramedic background.. it's about exchange of potentially helpful information not a "I know more than you because I studied this or that)! What we have in common is breast cancer and frankly even a breast cancer specialist who has info can exchange it here but not to the exclusion of those who wish to exchange information that YOU, as a specialist, don't like! I'm just say'n.. I really don't care what your training is only that you exchange information in a respectful nature and don't exclude anyone because they don't agree with your understanding of the research.. Even a microbiologist can have a conversation with another microbiologist and the two individuals may come up with two entirely different conclusions.. This is the alternative board (complimentary for those who shiver at alternative) you simply won't find information here that fully matches the studies within the conventional medicine arena or there wouldn't be a distinction between the two areas (conventional and alternative). Again with all do respect! Best
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Deirdre,
WOW. I was trying to be nice. I believe in alternative medicine and traditional. Alternative medicine can lead the steps toward a cure.
Everyone is entitled to chose their own treatment. However, I do not want false information, biology stuff, spread to other bc sisters. I do not want unsupported conclusions made that can influence other cancer sisters. When I make comments about biology, or sweeping cancer-cure statements, I am not attacking the writer, I am trying to protect the other sisters reading the posts.
P.S. The reason I included the microbiologist comment is not a "I know more than you", but to let you know the areas in the discussion that interest me. For instance, if the discussion went to psychology and treatment of depression, I would not enter in. It just shows the direction I am coming from.
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Mother, trust me, it's not worth engaging in any personal exchange here. If you do not wholly embrace the "alternative way" you are the enemy.
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Again that's a good thing (sharing information for the purpose of SUPPORT) , but your background is inconsequential to the conversation. and being nice is a good thing - I was trying to be nice too but I apologize if you found it harse.. But you missed the point.. your information can be wrong as well as anyones. and EVERYONE can and should do their own research and then make a decision based on their own soul.
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