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See Little G........your above post I understand...........you state why you think it's a bad idea to consider Palin for VP............but your post yesterday that when she loses she can pose for Playboy is what I don't understand........why that comment?...........Shokk
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CherrylH wrote:
Shirley,
I'm late in answering your question, but why do I have to explain why I'm voting for Obama. I don't believe any of us have asked why you and others are voting for McCain. Do you think we're going to change our minds because you are jumping up and down mad? And why a re you gracing us with all this crap?
Cherryl
I asked that question because I wanted you to give me one specific thing that Obama has accomplished. No, it's none of my business and you may ignore my question.
Cherryl, I am bowing out. I didn't know this was a private forum and that I needed a pass word to enter.
Yes, if other women who have breast cancer visit these threads and see the comments that some of you have made that are sexist I hope they don't leave. Please let me know what we have said that is racist against Senator Obama or his wife. I just want to make it clear that I have nothing against Obama's race. I have nothing against African Americans. I was there during the civil rights era. I remember how blacks were treated back then. When I was a young girl it was just the way it was. My family NEVER spoke against blacks people. It was just silently accepted and I will apologize for that. Why? Because I was one of those people that said as an adult owning a home, I don't want them living next door to me. I've already stated that somewhere on this thread. And, Cheryl, I'll apologize to you for being so ignorant.
So, as hard as it may be I will not come back over here, nor will I post here again.
I'm bowing out. Have fun.
Shirley
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I am completely and 100% an Obama supporter? I have been calling people who are undecided and going head to head with people who are voting blind. Thanks to have this post.
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Felicia wrote:
For everyone offended by what the Obama supporters have said here, I suggest you go back and read the title. You know it is going to be about Obama, whay we will vote for him and why we think McCain and Palin are so awfully wrong for this country. If you don't like what is said here, I have a suggestion for you: DON'T FREAKING READ IT! It's like walking into a bakery and being upset that they have (gasp and swoon!) cupcakes. Cut me a damn break...
I used to read the Repulbican thread and, yeah, I did comment on occassion, but I realized it was futile. Now I don't even bother reading it. Could you please show us the same courtesy? Or, if you absolutely MUST read it, keep your comments to yourself, gheesh!
So long, Felicia. Hope your bikes still in one peace.
Shirley
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Shirley,
I think suggesting that Michelle Obama pose for a picture on the Aunt Jemima box is racist. My opinion. I never said this thread is private. I don't understand why someone who hates Obama would continue to come here and expect to see negatives posted or accepted without question. I voting for Obama because I believe he is the best person for the job. Why are voting (I assume) for John McCain??
Cherryl
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CherrylH wrote:
Shirley,
I think suggesting that Michelle Obama pose for a picture on the Aunt Jemima box is racist.
I'm not going to argue with you, Cherrly, about that. I went back to see WHY Ibc said that. It did not sound like something he would say. I found the reason. He apologized and removed his post. The post about Palin was not apologized, and in fact. she said she WOULDN'T apolgize. Vagina comments are sexist also.
I do not HATE Obama. Let's get that straight. I don't believe he's qualifed to run this country. I am astounded that the Biden comment has not been plastered all over the MSM.
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I said I wouldn't post again. However, I did to answer Cheryl.
I will read the Huffington Post when I get the chance. I'm getting off the computer. I have loads of things to do before tomorrow.
I suggest you watch this ONE more video. This is quite clear unless you are myopic. The very first of the vdeo..listen carefully. This was on CSPAN in 1998.
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What is it you find to be a sexist comment? I am a woman. It's clear to me, and several others that she is out there just trying to grab attention for herself. And get her "hot" comments in. Does that sound vice presidential to you? Also, do you think she is qualified for the job of VP, when she herself does not know what it is? Do you think she is qualified for Pres.? Why would I apologize for what I believe to be her next step? There have been PLENTY of women who have posed for these magazines to jump start their careers again. I think she fits the mentality. Nothing to apologize for. Look at her track record already, of cover ups. Do you think she will make a good VP or president? Are you saying she has the experience? Anyone that supports Obama does not. End of story. We are a large group of people that fully support the Obama/Biden ticket. In fact, the polls yesterday also showed the fact that Obama supporters had much more enthusiasm for their candidate than did the republican side. That is clear also. She is an obvious bad pick. Not only obvious to me, but to most of the country. I don't think they will send apologies either.
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little gggggggggg -
rumour is that Palin's v.p. run will be featured as a FOX reality TV makeover show. it will run in december while the 150k worth of designer hockey mom duds are auctioned on e-bay.
that is why the rnc paid over 13k in september for her hair and make-up is my guess.
john's make-up artist only costs about 8k a month. what a screaming deal.
what maverickkkkkkkkks.
down to the count now...
get out the vote get out the vote!
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elitist?
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Laura...well, there you go. Why his die hard flock find this so hard to believe, I don't know. I love the picture of Barack!!! He is AWESOME and we all know that!!! Yes, get your votes in!!!!!! Mine is in!!!! Hand delivered!! I'm not trusting the post office on this one! Let's all stay on top of this, we are winning big and I think our margins are going to get even better!!!!
OBAMA' 08....i'ts almost here!!!!!!!!!!!
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Shokk asked:
..........first of all why does Sarah Palin "scare" the left so much?........she is just a Conservative woman in our National Political scene.........there are several..........
I don't know about the left, but this is what scares me about Palin: that, being as she is on the election ticket, she could potentially end up being president of the United States. Way too much power and responsibility in the hands of someone who believes that dinosaurs walked the earth six thousand years ago; who doesn't hesitate to use her power and authority for the benefit of her own family feud; who sees nothing wrong with being paid a per diem for sleeping in her own bed; who takes pride in her ignorance; who doesn't know the first thing about diplomacy and doesn't even see why she should. I can see why some people might find her charming, interesting, or even a good recruit for the PTSA, but presidential material she is not. The idea of her in the oval office scares me, just like the idea of her in the cockpit of a plane scares me.
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Little let me make sure I understand your stance.............I really thought yesterday you were implying that Palin should pose for Playboy because of physically she takes good care of herself and because she was in a Beauty Pageant but you said in your above pose that she "fits the mentality".........sorry but I don't know what you mean by that..........she already has a career......when McCain/Palin lose I would imagine that she will go back to Alaska and finish her term as Governor and considering how high her poll numbers are will probably run for a second term and if not then maybe become an advocate for special needs children...........a lobbyist if you so desire to use the term.............but posing for Playboy to jump start her career..........really I have no idea what you mean by that............I never asked you to apologize............I wouldn't either..............Madalyn great post.........your post I understand.......and let me just say this for all the reasons you give for not wanting Palin on the ticket are the exact reason's why I do...........I like that she is religious, I like it that she is not a part of Washington and never has been........I think it is refreshing and she will stand for what she believes instead of believing in what everyone around her stands, I like that she is a Governor and has excecutive experience and most of all I like it that she has been around the oil industry and understands it and has gone up against it and won..............but again Madalyn thanks for laying out your reasons for why you chose Obama/Biden in plain direct fashion.........your post is refreshing..............Shokk
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Good points, Iza!
I would add: her shifting positions -- she poses as a reformer who has gone up against "Republican corruption" in Alaska, and yet it seems more like Machiavellian cutting of ties to people who helped her on her way up (she uses them to lift herself up, then doesn't want to be tied "down" at their small-potatoes level), she'll say things that appear moderate (in an interview in July before her VP nomination, she praised Obama and said he had aroused a lot of support in Alaska), and yet she has connections to ultra-rightwingers (secessionists like the Alaska Independence Party, her friends Mark Chryson and Steve Stoll).
Frankly, I think people often "project" onto others their own faults -- often subconsciously, but sometimes as "cover fire" to focus attention on the others and away from themselves. When Sarah Palin and/or her supporters say "Who is Barack Obama? What do we really know about him? He pals around with terrorists.." and imply that he has connections to a murky, frightening conspiracy... and that his rise to prominence was suspiciously fast and based primarily on charisma... Well, to me that sounds like Sarah Palin!
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I have to make a comment on something Shirley said above...
"I have nothing against African Americans. I was there during the civil rights era. I remember how blacks were treated back then. When I was a young girl it was just the way it was. My family NEVER spoke against blacks people. It was just silently accepted and I will apologize for that. "
This is not directed against Shirely as an individual, it's what I see that has been and still is a big problem with how things are in our country. I call it the "Silence of the Lambs" There has been so much in-just going on, as far as race and many, many other things. Most people have been pre-programmed to say nothing when they see something wrong, and let things go on, as long as they are not effected. This happens day to day, people who see injustices, but prefer to stay quiet because they don't want to make a scene or they don't want to be involved. In my opinion that is the mentality that has lead us to where we are today. Where government tells us what to do and if we don't, then we have many penalties to pay. Where police (supposed civil servants) are something to be feared rather than looked upon as someone to help us. Our government was originally set up by the people and for the people. Not so anymore. It has been run as if we were under the power of a king. Everyone so afraid to not say a word, so that no one will look at them, don't rock the boat. Well, that is over. We are loud! and we are rocking this boat and the vote! We are not going to sit back and take this anymore! That is evident. When you see something wrong, point it out! Don't be afraid to say something! This is our country, not just for a selected few who have put themselves on top. Being silent is what keeps us down. That is why we have so much enthusiasm for Obama/Biden! We are not going to be quiet anymore.
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CherrylH wrote:
I think suggesting that Michelle Obama pose for a picture on the Aunt Jemima box is racist.
Umm, just a bit, LOL. And since somebody asked, the KoolAid mentions, suggestions that all Black folks will vote for Obama just because, suggestions that Obama would have Al Sharpton as a cabinet member because he's a brother, too, pics of Obama shining Palin's shoes - and the bevvy of other similar comments on the "respectfully" republican thread
- are racist as hell. Does it matter WHY they were said? Having folks tell you that yes, we're offended only seems to net "But here's the reason!" comments - which is exactly why I stopped visiting over there -------> And I know this has been explained ad nauseum before - and O4P/Amy needs no help defending herself - but her comment - in context - was actually about the audacity of McSame thinking that just ANY woman - i.e. any human with a vagina - would be good enough, like all females are interchangable. Show of hands: How many people didn't say "Who?" when they heard Palin was the republican VP pick? Picking her is offensive to me, not because not many outside of Alaska knew who she was, but because she has proven over and over again in interview after interview and the VP debate that she doesn't know much about anything - and seems OK with that. Second in command? Umm, no. There are high schoolers who know about how the government works than this woman obviously does. The more I find out about her, the more I shake my head, but the only thing scary about her is the fact that she thinks being able to see Alaska from her yard = foreign policy experience and that she doesn't even know what the hell she will be doing as vice president. But damn, doesn't she look stylish, though? Don't know too many other Joe six-packs who spend the kind of $ on wardrobe.
Personally, I can't wait until the election is over so I don't have to hear about her or hear from her any more.
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First, way to go Indiana! No, I wouldn't care about a peeing dog pic either. I've been offended by some things posted on the other thread -- a picture of Obama shining Palin's shoes and Obama as the anti-Christ come immediately to mind -- but a dog peeing on an Obama sign wouldn't bother me.
But I love that shoe pic!
Iza O., excellent points. The thought of Palin in the White House, or even taking over the Senate and fixin' all those bad laws, scares me too, for all the reasons you state. I find her Bush-like hubris the most disturbing. Most conservative female politicians don't act and think like that, thank goodness. I think Marsika Hargitay should play Palin in the HBO production, I Can See Russia from My House: The Rise and Fall of Sarah Palin. Her story is a fascinating one, that's for sure.
On a more somber note . . . As I had feared, McCain's over-the-top invective against ACORN has resulted in violence and threats against their employees. One woman was assaulted coming out of her office. Hate-filled, threatening messages have been left. The Justice Dept. has been called in for protection. An organization that McCain praised just two years ago has been demonized by the right. The most pathetic part of it all is that these tactics aren't working. McCain and Palin's negatives keep going up. A majority don't even find Palin likable anymore, let alone qualified. So why do they keep doing it? Are they looking for a ready-made scapegoat for after the election?
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Actually Felicia DebC turn me onto Sarah Palin when McCain got the Republican nomination...........she of course loves her................I started reading about her then but I really thought McCain was going to play it safe and pick someone from Washington that was more in step with himself..........I didn't think Palin had a prayer.................I have to disagree with you about high schoolers knowing more about politics than Palin does.........not sure how to prove that but of course in debate class since you put it out there it's up to you to prove your point. Now the whole wardrobe thing I know it seems extreme but come on..........how much has Obama spent in suites...............I'm sure it is a lot.........Biden's hair plugs and his tanning bill alone must be pretty high............Shokk
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Shokk...no, my opinion of her is not because she is physically fit. I realize what her job was up in Alaska..however she did not have the media exposure she has had now. No body knew who she was. She hasn't had the taste of what its like to be on SNL, or play off her "hottie" act. Now she does. Do you think she is just going to go quietly back to Alaska? Maybe, but I doubt it. As far as her being so religious, well, she has broken laws and rules and says alot of things that are not true. That just goes back to my hypocrisy comments. As far as refreshing, well, I don't know what you mean by that. How is she refreshing? Making things up, being unknowledgeable? Again, maybe for a bake sale, but not for VP. You can like her, I have no problem with that and am not trying to sway you. These are my opinions and again, the majority of the US does not see her as qualified for VP. I think Felicia's post said it very well.
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Shokk- you're my favorite republican because you can discuss things rationally. As for me calling her a vagina, I guess I resent that she was chosen because she was a female when there were many competent republican women. McCain/Palin seemed to think they would poach disgruntled Hillary supporters, simply because she's a woman even though their politics are polar opposite. As a woman I find that insulting and marginalizing. I don't think Palin should pose for playboy and more than I think Edwards should pose for playgirl. Palin doesn't do anything for me in the looks department, although Tina Fey does, I think it's in the way they carry themselves. They actually looked into the cost of Obama's suit, which he got at a chicago store for $1500. The difference is charging the campaign (Palin) vs paying for it themselves (Obama). I don't get why Palin's children's wardrobes are also paid for by the campaign. For someone that was found to be guilty of ethics violations, and who promises to clean up washington, you'd think she'd be more careful about even the appearance of impropriety. Shokk, many of the things I learned about government in high school are things that Palin is getting wrong, like the job of the vice president in the senate, although I've always been interested in politics and government so I probably came to the classroom with more knowledge than most.
Felicia- you said it woman! The repugs (repugnant republicans, not all republicans) remind me of bratty children having a temper tantrum because they're losing a game of checkers and they don't have the social skills to deal with it. When people say please respect XYZ and they don't, that just says what type of people they are. Thanks for trying to explain my point about the vagina as Rachel Maddow says, "Pat (Buchanan) we aren't interchangeable."
I think the repugs are taking their lead from the nastiness coming out of their campaign rallies. I would bet that there are some people on this site who think similar things, judging from certain racist comments I've read over the years. I hate it. You know the old, "I'm not prejudice, I have a black/gay/muslim etc friend.".
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Sarah Palin's Personal Shopper...Does the name Jeff Larson sound familiar?
Larson is the Karl Rove protégé who's a principal in the robocalling firm of FLS Connect (the "FLS" stands for Tony Feather, Jeff Larson, and Tom Syndhorst, all veteran Republican political operatives). Larson's firm is the same one that launched the robocalls against John McCain in 2000, and that McCain has now hired to make robocalls.
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laurap- I really don't understand how McCain could hire the same people who trashed him through robocalls to do the same and how he could hire the same marketers that spread the awful rumors about fathering an illegitimate black child (not that I think there's anything wrong with fathering a black or white child, but his daughter was 8 at the time). I think McCain has lost his soul in this campaign. He said he'd rather lose an election than lose a war, but I also think he'd rather lose his reputation of personal integrity than lose an election and that's sad. Nothing Obama has said or done has been any where the negativity coming from the McCain campaign.
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Amy that is funny that you find Tina Fey attractive but not Sarah Palin.........actually that's cute..........I must admit that I think Tina Fey does a better job of impersonating Palin then Palin herself............and Little I really don't think Palin will be able to stay away from Alaska........not sure but I doubt that Washington D.C. will put up with her husband running around in a snowmobile and PETA will probably frown on her if she flies around in a helicopter shooting at wolves..........but I do believe she loves her state and really has no desire to leave there for any length of time.......of course this is JMO............Shokk
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shokk- I think it's funny too. Tina has a smaller frame than Sarah, and since I'm small I think maybe that is part of it too. I agree with you about Palin being away from Alaska. if the republicans win, would she move her whole family and levi to washington with her or will her oldest daughter stay back in alaska with her husband. Logistically, I haven't been able to picture Palin making the move, it's not a woman thing, but a family thing. I think Palin would be good on tv as a reporter or fox pundit, the folks at SNL said she picked everything up really quickly and seemed like a natural.
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Amy her parents, her husband parents, most of their siblings are there in Alaska.....not sure how the family dynamics will play out if by some miracle McCain wins but I would think the oldest daughter would probably stay in Alaska.......if Palin does anything once she is through with being Governor I bet she could become a national spokes person for Downs Syndrome and/or special needs kids...........I personally think she would be fantastic at that type of gig.............Shokk
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Shokk:Hi to you. Since everyone gave pretty good reasons about why the dislike Palin, I will just stick with I just don't like her. I have to change the TV whenever I see her. The statement to the 3rd graders yesterday made me go nuts! There are so many good candidates that McCain could have picked, so choosing her in my opinion was probably his biggest mistake. I remember DebC saying she really liked her. And she is probably a good governor for Alaska, but she is not Vice President material in my opinion.. I heard that McCain really wanted to choose Lieberman.
Cherryl wrote: I think suggesting that Michelle Obama pose for a picture on the Aunt Jemima box is racist.
Felicia wrote: Umm, just a bit, LOL. And since somebody asked, the KoolAid mentions, suggestions that all Black folks will vote for Obama just because, suggestions that Obama would have Al Sharpton as a cabinet member because he's a brother, too, pics of Obama shining Palin's shoes - and the bevvy of other similar comments on the "respectfully" republican thread
- are racist as hell. Does it matter WHY they were said? Having folks tell you that yes, we're offended only seems to net "But here's the reason!" 
Thank you both. It's about time someone talked about this, as I have found these statements so offensive, not only to myself but the many breast cancer survivors who come here for support. You forgot to mention the food stamp with Obamas picture on it with fried chicken, ribs, and watermelon. Many seemed to get a good laugh over that one too. And thats sad.
To suggest that Colin Powell only made his decision because of race. Very sad indeed, since he careful explained step by step each reason. And what better man to be an adviser to Obama?
It's like I was saying earlier. So many of us are passionate about this election. We truly believe everything is right about our choice and wrong the the other ones choice. In the end...we will deal with whatever we have to deal with. Heck we had to tolerate Bush for 8 years. But! My vote goes for Obama.
Nicki
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After further reading, I would like to add some additional comments. This is a public board and it's here to support people who are concerned about breast cancer. That is the spirit of this site. I enjoy talking to caregivers, family members, friends, etc who have entered this strange world of breast cancer because of someone they love.
I also believe that if any of us has an issue with another it is best to be discussed by PM's. So why not just leave Amy alone and lets get back to the issues. And male caregivers should have a better understanding of what we are going through and not bully women who have breast ancer and just happen to disagree with his beliefs.
Nicki
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Little-G wrote:
I have to make a comment on something Shirley said above...
"I have nothing against African Americans. I was there during the civil rights era. I remember how blacks were treated back then. When I was a young girl it was just the way it was. My family NEVER spoke against blacks people. It was just silently accepted and I will apologize for that. "
This is not directed against Shirely as an individual, it's what I see that has been and still is a big problem with how things are in our country.
Remember,Little-G, was I very young when there were separate water fountains. Separate bathrooms, Blacks sitting in the back of the bus. What was a young girl supposed to do SAY SOMETHING? Thank you for not using my words against me.
The Civil Rights Movement made their mark in history. Just like Women's Suffrage. Women WAY before my time paved the way for us to vote. The Civil Rights Movement did the same for the African Americans. And I learned over the years. I believe that's how it's done. African Americans stood up and said..NO MORE! I applaud Martin Luther King and his work. I so wish this man had never been assassinated. I do not like anyone to lump any ethnic group or even poor whites in to one category. There are poor whites who have no worldly possessions, but who work and make a living as best as they can. Same with blacks, Asians...any group. I hate poor whites to be called "tralior trash," or "white trash." I detest the "N" word. There's no place for that word ANYWHERE...PERIOD!
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Little-G wrote:
Shokk...no, my opinion of her is not because she is physically fit. I realize what her job was up in Alaska..however she did not have the media exposure she has had now. No body knew who she was.
I did and I was so excited when McCain picked her. Go back and read the repub thread and you'll see that we knew all about her.
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I deleted this post on the other page. I forgot to add the link. It's quite an enlightening one at that. My post that I deleted:
ShirleyHughes wrote:
I said I wouldn't post again. However, I did to answer Cheryl.
I will read the Huffington Post when I get the chance. I'm getting off the computer. I have loads of things to do before tomorrow.
I suggest you watch this ONE more video. This is quite clear unless you are myopic. The very first of the vdeo..listen carefully. This was on CSPAN in 1998.
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