Lots going on here over the past 20 hours.  Following up.....

LuAnn, google "same day voting Ohio" and you'll find lots of articles.  It's not a misstatement that's been picked up as truth.  It is truth.  It was however only a "5 day special".  A 5 day special that ACORN took maximum advantage of. 

From NPR: Quirk In Ohio Law Permits Same-Day Voting  October 1, 2008 · People in Ohio this week may register to vote and cast an absentee ballot on the same day. Critics, including state Republicans, say this may open the door to voter fraud. Election officials are hoping to avoid a replay of 2004 when some people had to wait hours to vote.  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95236427

A weeklong window in which Ohio residents can to register to vote and cast their ballot in person on the same day can get underway Tuesday after courts today rejected challenges to the process....

...Brunner noted that in Ohio, absentee ballots must be ready for distribution 35 days before the election but the voter registration deadline is 30 days before the election. That gap creates an "overlap" period for same-day registration and absentee voting, Brunner said.

In court, Republican voters argued Brunner's interpretation was illegal and that a person must be registered for 30 days in order to receive an absentee ballot. The GOP voters also had raised a concern that allowing absentee voting before registrations were verified opened the way for fraud.

Today, courts rejected those arguments.  http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/29/courts_allow_same-day_vote_win.html

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As for the "other" thread, I no longer read it but I have to admit that I'm astonished to hear that they've said that  "when we asked them to document what they were attacking us about, they got "mad" and started their own thread.".  Wow. Talk about creative lying.  No wonder they support Obama - they are cut from the same cloth.   "What we believe is the truth; the real truth be damned!"

As someone who pretty much always provides support documentation on whatever I might be saying (read any of my 3500+ posts to see this), I can most certainly tell you that when I posted there, I did provide documentation.  The response was that they were not interested.  They did not want to "debate" the facts; they simply wanted to discuss Obama with only other people who also support (and blindly adore) Obama - NO ONE ELSE IS WELCOME.  They were quite clear about this, and anyone who was not an Obama supporter who did dare post was subjected to insults and told to leave.  Regardless of how much documentation was provided to support any point, the response from those open-minded folks over there was the same - anyone who doesn't support Obama is obviously a hidden racist and is not welcome here.

Of course, not everyone posting on that thread is impolite or inconsiderate or has said terrible things.  But given what's been said, I don't understand why anyone would want to associate themselves with that thread.  

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Shirley, we can agree to disagree about Bush.  I really do think he had his own reasons to rush into the war with Iraq.  Having said that, I do think that he had some bad information about what was going on there with Saddam, as did Clinton before him.  And I would never suggest that he alone - or Republicans alone - operate to their own personal agendas.  Of course Democrats do too.  That's why I'm so worried about Obama.  His "hidden" agenda isn't too hidden, if anyone would bother to look.  And it's scary.  I do agree with you that McCain and Bush are completely different and had McCain been the president over the past 8 years, the U.S., Iraq and the world would be in a very different state today.

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Lastly, back to LuAnn.  Your point "Another thing to consider is no president runs the country all by his lonesome self.  They all have advisors that are paid to be knowledgeable in those areas.  So if someone isn't an expert at everythihng he can have an advisor to help give him the proper information to make adequate decisions.  Don't all presidents have cabinets with advisors that help them with gather evidence and information to make decisions?" is absolutely correct.  But here's the problem.  Have you looked at who Obama's advisors are?  Have you considered who he may put into Cabinet?  Read up on them.  Some of his closest advisors - not the people that he's recently brought in to help win the election but those who've been with him for a while - hold really off the wall positions on things.  These are the people who scare me.  I won't go into details here about the backgrounds and positions of some of his closest advisors, but if you are interested, I documented a lot of it on the Obama thread a while back.   And then, about Palin.  Yup, she concerns me too.  But she's running for VP.  Obama is running for President.  In most administrations, the VP role is pretty insignificant. Remember Dan Quayle?   So I worry a lot more about Obama becoming president than Palin becoming VP.  Sure, something could happen to McCain - there's a small chance of that and if it happens, someone unqualified will become president.  On the other hand, if Obama is elected, there is a 100% chance that someone unqualified will become president.  I don't bet, but looking at those odds, it doesn't seem like a tough decision.  

Can I jump in here ibcspouse?  Everyone is welcome to post here.

IBC, dammit, you BETTER NOT leave this thread!  We NEED your insight.  You ARE a vet and served your country honorably (I think ).  And another thing.  I admire you for coming here among a bunch of women. 

Seriously, we want you here.

I forgot to comment on your new hearing aides.  My father-in-law used to say that when he'd put them on he could hear TOO well.  He could hear the wind...things he had not heard in a long time.  I've noticed that some people do not wear them all the time if ever.  There are perks that come with not hearing well...I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.  So, I can understand how you must feel about Palin's voice.  One does have to get used to it.

Hang in here with us, Brother!

Shirley

Well ladies and gentleman (IBC you don't need to bow out, you've earned your right to participate in these boards just as everyone else) I am going to gracefully bow out of your thread.  I thought we could talk but it is becoming heated and stressful.  Not necessarily you all but I keep watching news channels and I get angry and people's stupidity and lack of respect for others.  The video of how nasty the people were on you tube from my home town just really took me back that I came from such an evil area.  No wonder I left that place in 1982 and haven't returned.

We both have our beliefs and feel strongly about them and that is what is so great about our country.  We all get to have our own opinions and vote for what we believe in.  I hope everyone doesn't believe everything you read in the media because we all know it is not always correct.  The information may be right but the wording is swayed to make it acceptable to the point of view of the writer.

Anyway, it's been a pleasure but I am going back to putting my effort into pushing Obama and hoping he gets elected as the next president of the United States.  Good Luck and will all be friends again in a few weeks.

See just how far I go with my research!  We're playing a game

Harley, thanks for stopping by.    It's really hard for people who are walking around like the Stepford Wives to see the light.     The ONE has been   (blessed).  When ya go over <----------------------------------------and if you say one comment against Obama it's   The   unless it's only positve talking points about the ONE.  It's seems like over <------------------------------- there is no "meat" just a lot of  .  It's like   (did'cha guess that one) when talking over <---------------------------------- cuz no one listens and we are not  .  Shame isn't.  Gotta be ready for a good .  Oh, and when the ONE says WHATEVER THE ONE SAYS he says    but they do not want to produce any evidence  about who he is.  We search        But who cares who he is because the media sure as hell doesn't and he says   and some people just do.  Ya can't beat a  . 

TIME OUT....watching Hucabee Show and a Canadian is so smart.  She's wondering why this country is so angry and and blames Pres Bush who has been a great pres..kept us safe..why aren't we angry at Pelosi, Reid, ACORN!, Barney, the dems who have been in control of Congress for two years. Al Sharpton will be on to get his take on ACORN hiring people to register over and over.

BACK TO THE SCHEDULED PROGRAM IN PROGRESS!

When we go over there we get (tomato) thrown in our face.  GET OUT..they say!  We knock our heads  but.......And we can't blame their anger over <----------------------------------------- due to because we women are estrogen deprived!   Since there's no solid evidence that they can provide we have to hold an (you have to guess this one..okay..hint..holding an umbrella to protect oneself from the $h@% falling from the sky). 

If on election night if McCain loses this race I will .

Be sure to look at the little guys a minute so they'll make sense.  Geez, I've wasted so much time instead of doing real   .

I will certainly be called hateful now! 

Shirley

Suz, I just read your post.  I have this huge lump in my throat.  Like I just want to cry.  I've had it often, so nothing new.  I fear that eventually these conservative radio talk show hosts will have their freedom of speech taken away because the liberal talk show folks can't keep anyone interested. 

I'm sorry, LuAnn, that you think that what we read we should not believe.  I will give you the same advice.  However, when it comes to your son I'll have to take your word for it.  I thought the Marines went in and kicked arse and the Army came in to rebuild.  Oh, don't get me wrong, I know they have to fight also.  But, I give you the same advice.......don't believe everything that you DON'T read because Obama has been the darling of the media a hollywood. 

Luann, don't leave.  Obama is drawing some pretty massive crowds at his rallies.  It is quite likely he will be the next President of the Unitied States.  I am ok either way, it is the Americans that choose their President after all, and both candidates have the backing of many citizens and goverment.  The whole world is watching the U.S. and waiting like a child waiting to open a gift. 

Canadians find US campaign more interesting

By Christopher Mason in Ottawa

Published: October 2 2008 02:12 | Last updated: October 2 2008 02:12

Politicians are used to pleading for voters' attention. But rarely, if ever, have Canadian lawmakers struggled so mightily for their citizens' eyes and ears as during the current election campaign.

Despite an uncertain economy that has shed jobs, sent real estate prices falling and destabilised the country's GDP, many Canadians are more riveted by the drama of the US election.

On Thursday, another twist threatens to further overshadow the campaign when Canadian party leaders stage their only televised English debate on the same night US vice-presidential candidates Sarah Palin and Joe Biden square off.

With the US debate expected to draw away the attention of many Canadian viewers, politicians here are imploring voters to follow their own campaign.

"I'm hoping that people will decide to watch the Canadian debate live and check out YouTube later for whatever exciting moments there are between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin," Elizabeth May, Green Party leader, told the Canadian Press.

Ms May went on to call the Canadian campaign "simply the most important one in the history of our country".

Many would seem to disagree.

"This is one of the most boring, low-profile campaigns in memory," said Stephen Clarkson, professor of political economy at the University of Toronto. "I have been amazed by the number of days there has been absolutely no news about the election on the front page."

Robert Fulford , a Canadian newspaper columnist, called the election "among the least significant events in living memory".

"What, after all, is at stake?" Mr Fulford wrote in the National Post. "Nothing, so far as I can tell. It feels like an election to nowhere."

The economy has of late received greater attention following the Toronto Stock Exchange's largest single-day drop in points on Monday. As a result, the five party leaders will spend half of each debate (one in English, one in French) discussing the economy.

But Canadians wanting to see what politicians are proposing to avoid a financial crisis may tune in to the US debates instead, since Canada's economy often follows the rise and fall of that in the US.

That Stephen Harper, the Conservative prime minister, appears poised to win a stronger minority, or perhaps more, in the October 14 vote is thanks more to weakened opposition parties than on major issues such as the economy or Canada's role in Afghanistan.

This shortage of debate has driven even more of the Canadians' attention to the US election.

In a poll done earlier this year, 15 per cent of Canadians said that if allowed, they would give up their ballot in a Canadian election for the right to vote in this year's US election.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008

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Oh no the page width has changed.  Anyway, I had the best laugh last night.

The dems were on Tv saying McCain should have vetted Joe the plumber.

I rolled laughing.  The poor guy asks one question, and look what they're

doing to him.  Joe certainly didn't ask for this, a candidate comes knocking

on his front door, and bam, he needs to be vetted.  Meanwhile, they never

vetted the candidate.  It's hilarious. 

New polling data folks:

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE49G0V320081019

Things are happening out there. 

Well, we find out that Obama was in Joe's neighborhood.  Joe was throwing the football with his son.  He heard people asking Obama softball questions so he wanted to throw a tough one to him.  He didn't know he was being videoed or that he would be put on national TV.  Now the media's been ALL over his house.  He said the media was more concerned about how much he owed in taxes and whether or not he was a licensed plumber....nothing to do with the issues.  This man was very well spoken...no dummy.  I hope Joe gets so rich off of this!  KUDOS TO JOE!

I really don't care who Europe would like in the White House. Did anyone ask us who we would like to see lead France, Germany or Britain? Didn't think so. I spent a year in Bangladesh in 1996 while Clinton was President and they did not like us then. They liked Clinton but they did not like Americans even though they would all like to come here.

I read an article yesterday about children's health care in Hawaii. It looks like they had a program for children similar to Obama's plan. They would cover all children who did not currently have coverage. I am sure I heard Obama say that if you had employee health care coverage and liked it you could keep it - but what if you don't like it - your premium and deductibles are high - sounds like you can drop it and get in on the government program. Anyhoo, in Hawaii people started dropping their children from their employer health care (I am sure premiums for single coverage are lower) and so many children ended up on the government program that they have to stop it because it has become too expensive. McCain's program preserves employee covered health care, will give you a tax credit that can be used to help pay your portion of the premiums and if you don't have employee coverage gives you money to use to help buy coverage. The media and the Obama campaign both are trying to distort McCain's plan.

I am really disappointed in Colin Powell - have lost all respect for the man. Of course his endorsement of Obama will not be called racist by the media. A white conservative who is not voting for Obama is considered racist. A black reporter here had a column today saying that if Obama did not win it would be "stomach churning".

Maybe Obama should have vetted Joe the plumber before he knocked on his door LOL!

Okay, I deleted the tables.  The world is interested in America tho.

Summer - your tables were fine - I just don't think we should elect someone based on what Europeans or anyone else in the world wants - it is our country and our government. The world can be interested in America without telling us who we should vote for.

Saturday Night Live was funny last night.