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  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2008

    (((((Mensa)))))) my very favorite Canadian..........in fact if Obama gets elected myself and Brenda from North Carolina are moving to Blues'..........we are going to live in one of those Morgan Buildings in her back yard...........she has a brand new grandson and I can 't wait to smell his head............Shokk

  • spar2
    spar2 Member Posts: 6,827
    edited October 2008

    Pam, of course you are welcome here

    Harley good to see you here.

    Shokk, if my friend  had a slow moving cancer she may have been able to go through all the red tape and gotten help but if you need help right now its not there.  Even though I had 2 health insurances I was still out thousands of dollars in co pays  of everything and some meds my insurance would not pay, even my inhalers were $50 co pay per inhaler,  We do need some changes in the health care of the USA, now I only have one health insurance and pray I don't get sick because it is all so expensive.

    I get really mad when on the news it shows thousands of dollars paid for lunches for meetings or a million ear marked for a tea pot museum.  come on, we need our countrys money going to things that are important and make a difference in everyday life.  Like health costs, lower gas prices, more jobs with better pay.  The excess spending in the government brought to a stop.  I worked a government job for 25 years and have never seen so much waste in just my little parts of the world.  Of course this is all my opinion and shokk, I show you the courtesy of using your user name so please use spar or sherry but not sparks.  I am not here to cause sparks, I am a peace loving fun loving person.

  • spar2
    spar2 Member Posts: 6,827
    edited October 2008

    I watched the debate and Obama is the one that brought him into first.

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2008

    Yes McCain brought him up in the debate - if he had been pro-Obama in his comments and Obama had brought him up - he would have been hailed as a hero - no vetting required.

  • ibcspouse
    ibcspouse Member Posts: 613
    edited October 2008

    Hello all

    Setting around the the Hotel, the 10 hour trip turned out to be good bit longer, nausea and long car rides do not make for fast trips. 

    Thank all of you for best wishes for Cam (the beautiful girl that married way beneath her).

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2008

    The democrats were asking for Joe to be vetted which is hilarious.  They were saying McCain shouldn't have brought him up until he was properly vetted.  I fell on the floor laughing.  These people represent us in Congress, they have to make huge decisions, they spend our money, fund wars and they're calling for a proper vetting of a plumber just because he asked the question of the year to their annointed one.

    Meanwhile, it wasn't the question so much as it was Obama's answer.  Obama went off script.  He gave him an answer that was actually true.  It's redistribution of wealth, pure and simple, and they've been dancing around this for months on end, calling it the Robin Hood plan, whatever, but not redistribution of wealth.  All hell broke loose, then they had to take the onus off themselves by going after Joe so we'd stop talking about Obama's answer.  Too late, the genie is out of the bottle.  It's a good thing Obama couldn't start a war with third world nation, because they had to do something to end the discourse.  Thus, Joe doesn't have a license, he owes taxes, everything but Obama's reply to Joe.   To a lot of people redistribution of wealth equals welfare.  Then add into that mix Obama's past associations with  people who could be considered a communist (Frank Marshall Davis), a terrorist (Bill Ayers), the radical teachings of Saul Alinsky the community organizer, a Rev. who hates America, and we see our future and the man who wants to be President.

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2008

    Our thoughts are with Cam today and yourself IBC spouse.  Let us know what's happening.  Keep the reports coming.   

  • spar2
    spar2 Member Posts: 6,827
    edited October 2008

    Prayers and positive thoughts coming your way for Cam.  Sherry

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited October 2008

    Hoping all went well with Cam medical tests today IBC. 

  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited October 2008

    IBCspouse,

    I also want to say that I am praying all goes well with Carn's tests today.  You are a really wonderful guy, to support her in this difficult time.

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2008

    LadySuz - the media (at least the majority of it) and the Obama campaign are one and the same aren't they?

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited October 2008

    This is long but well worth the time.


    The article below was written by  syndicated columnist, Thomas Sowell, a black man.  He wrote it in a humorous way this past week in a column titled 'Random Thoughts' and  published it in newspapers nationally, so maybe you've already seen it. If not, be my guest:

     Senator John McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama can cause me to vote for McCain.
    After long and serious thought, I have decided to endorse Senator John McCain for President.
    I have always voted for the person and have not voted for anyone because some political party was telling me who I should vote for.
    We all know the choices by now and, that said, I do believe that the process of selecting a chief executive is deeply flawed. The words 'money' and'
    special interests' come to mind, among many others.
     
    Here's the way I see it:
    Barack Obama, you are a fine public speaker. You are also an extremely liberal Senator from the State of Illinois , which has a long and rich history of political corruption of the first magnitude. You are indeed a child of that system.


    You have finally insulted my intelligence far beyond my capacity to tolerate your insults. It has nothing at all to do with your skin color. As a matter of fact, it would be so COOL to finally have an African-American for President. What a great statement that would be to the entire world that we are indeed the greatest country on earth!
    But, unfortunately, General Colin Powell is not running, and YOU are NOT the man for this job !


    Barack, baby, you want me to believe that you have never heard the sermons of your own pastor, the Right Reverend 'God Damn America ' Jeremiah Wright. It is a matter of record that this has been your church for over 20 years. It is a matter of record that you were married there by this very pastor, and that your children were baptized there.

    The good Reverend saw fit to visit Khadafy in Libya with you and to give a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan, of all people. We have all now seen excerpts of his sermons all over the airwaves by now.   And you have publicly stated that this man IS your 'spiritual mentor.'


    BUT, your pastor is NOT the reason I am NOT voting for you. His words were disturbing enough, but it is your own HUGE church congregation, seen jumping, hooting and howling to his words in the background that disturb me the most. And please don't tell me you attended church there and never once heard a 'discouraging word' in the 20 years you attended there. Don't tell me, that in addition to the good reverend, that you are now not having
    anything to do with all those other people seen hooting and howling out in the audience in the background of his fiery tirades. Even Oprah Winfrey got disgusted and walked out on your campaign. I am no Oprah fan, but still she did the right thing.

    Now you look me in the eye and ask me to believe that you never heard such language in all the years you attended there! This is like me telling you that I attended dozens of Klan rallies and never once heard the 'N' word.
    Yep. And Bill Clinton 'did not inhale'.
    Yes, Mr. Obama, we all have friends who have said stupid things that embarrassed us, but NOW you have asked me to believe something that is so incredibly stupid that you are telling me that I  am just stupid enough to believe you. THAT is the main reason that I will never vote for you.


    I am deeply sorry, that in a country teeming with enormously talented African Americans who would make a good President, that the political system has chosen YOU. You are a pathetic and plastic excuse for an American, who will not even salute the Flag during the Pledge of Allegiance.
    God forbid you ever get near the Oval Office.

    Which leaves us with Senator John McCain.
    John, you are a flawed man. You are a bit old, a bit looney, and you have a notoriously bad temper. This perfectly qualifies you, in my humble opinion, to lead us for the next eight years. I WANT your trembling hand on the nuclear button.


    Think about it.
    We have Kim Jong IL, Chavez and Ahmadenijad all running around like lunatics, threatening America and threatening to plunge the world into nuclear Armageddon. We have Putin and the Chinese blustering and rattling their sabers at us. I want John McCain in the Oval Office and I want him to be really ticked off at all these other nut jobs around the planet.


    John, once you are elected, I want you to go into the Oval Office and throw one of your perfect FITS. Jump up and down and throw something through a plate glass window. Rip the drapes down and foam at the mouth a bit. And I want the whole thing on camera so thatAhmadinejad can see it. I want ALL of these 'world leaders' to lay awake at night and to break out in a cold sweat every time they think of messing with the United States of America .

    I want the nuclear button sitting right next to the alarm clock on your night stand. I want pictures of this to be sent to Iran , Russia , China , Venezuela , Cuba , Libya , Syria , Pakistan , and those other dopes in the sheets, the Saudis.

    On the domestic front, poor John did try and reach across the aisle to the opposition in a desperate effort to compromise and to get the Congress to do something. You may not agree with his efforts, but at least he TRIED. For all his efforts, all he got handed to him was his head in a basket. The liberals are ticked at him and the conservatives are ticked at him. Just my kinda guy.


    One heartbeat from the Oval Office.
    Finally. John McCain knows on a most personal level what it is to suffer horrible torture for years and to see others die, right in front of you, for their love of America . When you ask him about it, he will tell you that what he did was 'nothing special. ' Even more incredibly, he states that ANY American who truly loves his country would do exactly the same as he did in that situation. You and I will have a hard time believing that, but the real point is that John McCain believes that about the 'average American,' and that, dear friends and neighbors, is why I will cast my one poor ballot for on election day for John McCain -- warts and all.'

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2008

    Nancy--

    Afraid you've been duped by one of those weird emails............

    Thomas Sowell didn't author that----It was originally anonymous

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/sowell.asp

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2008

    Pretty, I don't have time to stay on the puter. Didn't have time yesterday.  One of my dds is coming in tomorrow and need to do some "straightening up."  She and her dh will be getting their furniture, etc., and are moving to Denver.  That's closer than Africa! Of course you may not have read about my dd and her dh traveling through out Africa for a couple of years.  But, I won't bore those who have read many posts about this. 

    About what other people think about us.  When we ( or at least I see people) burning our flag, hanging our president and setting him on fire, saying DEATH TO AMERICA, etc. it's like watching them hurting our family..at least it is for me.  I speak for myself.  When I see our own people, radicals, doing this kind of stuff, it angers me.  Freedom of speech is what it's called.  Many nations to not have that and we do not want this taken away.  We as Americans do not believe in the politics of Socialism.  Yep, I could sure profit from not having to pay taxes and receive money from the American people or expect the richest to pay for me, but that UNAMERICAN, not Patriotic. 

    Could say more, but I'm in a rush.

    Shirley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2008

    Pam, I posted (AGAIN) links to the dem's stand on reforming or regulating Fannie and Feddie.  They wanted minorities who COULD NOT afford housing.  In fact it was said that some of these loans would fail..posted a video on that too.  I don't think you looked at them.  Some republicans warned this would happen.  I think I posted those links AGAIN for you.  I may be mistaken and don't have time to go back and look.

    I'm trying to understand why the belly up of this economy has hurt McCain and put Obama ahead.  I wonder, was there a conspiracy..LOL  Just kidding.  Obama doesn't know what to do.  McCain doesn't know what to do.  But, at least McCain DID WARN that this may be coming.  So, Mr. Obama, why didn't you stand up to that bill?

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2008

    For one, I do not have cable TV and do not watch network news. I do read CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News online as well as several online newspapers and the WSJ in print. I guess Fox News is pro McCain - but you have CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and just about every major newspaper in the country on Obama's side. That's a lot of free advertising in addition to the obscene amounts that he is spending on this election.

    This should worry even Obama supporters:

    Opinion

    RealClearPolitics

    Richard Baehr Richard Baehr - Mon Oct 20, 8:30 am ET

    The Buying of the Presidency 2008

    Barack Obama is well on his way to buying the Presidency. The effect of Obama's financial advantage has now even been admitted by the New York Times, whose editors and political writers already may be lighting up their victory cigars, like Red Auerbach, the Celtics coach of legend.

    The state where the Obama campaign has been carpet bombing the airwaves most vigorously this past weekend was West Virginia. If you watched TV over the weekend in the Mountaineer State, you could not have missed the Obama ads -- an extraordinary buy of $1.2 million per day for 5 days, with ads running in every media market in the state. The McCain campaign, had it spent all of its $84 million for the general election on TV ads, would have had $1.4 million to spend per day for campaign ads for the last two months for all 50 states. Obama has just spent almost that much per day in one state with fewer than 2 million people and but 5 Electoral College votes.

    In every battleground state the story is the same. Obama has run ads 3 to 4 times as often as McCain and the gap is widening each week. Most of the Obama ads, of course, are negative ads about McCain, and in most cases false or misleading according to factcheck.org. It is as if one basketball team is playing with a rule that its players foul out after committing 2 personal fouls, while and its opponent is allowed six personal fouls per player. Or maybe one basket is two feet lower, or one team can not include any player over six feet tall.

    In essence, we do not have a fair fight. Obama has always liked it that way when it comes to his campaigns. Obama said at one point that if the McCain campaign brought "a knife to the fight, we would bring a gun" -- revealing that he did not care about a level playing field . Anyone familiar with his campaign against Alice Palmer in 1996, where he used challenges to nominating petitions to completely eliminate all his challengers in the Democratic primary for the Illinois State Senate, should have realized this aspect of Obama's campaign style. Michael Barone's "The Coming Obama Thugocracy" describes Obama's effort to silence critics. And of course, there were the revelations by the Chicago Tribune of two sex scandals relating to Obama's opponents in the U.S. Senate race in 2004: the first served to eliminate Blair Hull, who held a solid lead over Obama in the race for the Democratic nomination before the story broke, and the other forced Jim Ryan, the GOP nominee, from the race. Did Obama or his campaign have a role in supplying damaging information to the media about these stories (Obama's campaign manger once worked for the Tribune), or is he just the luckiest politician alive?

    Both the Obama campaign and its volunteer army in the national media are quite comfortable with all of this, since it is producing the result they desire. Senator Obama had the audacity a few weeks back to argue that he has shown that he is an experienced manager (and so presumably, he will be a good President) because he has run such a large successful campaign with over 2,500 paid employees and spending of several hundred million dollars (likely to be over $700 million by the time the election occurs). Obama is right about part of his statement; he has shown that he can spend more money and spend it faster than any candidate in the history of the world. He must see it as appropriate for someone whose coming election victory an event that will change the world.

    Viewed through the other end of the telescope, Obama spends so much because he has raised so much. Over half of that money has come from fat cats, such as the few hundred people who gave his campaign, the DNC, and state parties $11 million in one night in Hollywood last month. Among small individual donors, about whom far less is known, there have been questions raised about some of the donors, and sources. Mr. Good Will, for instance, has given multiple donations totaling over $17,000 (the limit for an individual donor in a cycle is $2300 for the primary campaign, and $2300 for the general election). Any donation of $200 or more requires a form to be completed. Mr. Good Will gave many times but always less than the level requiring more personal information.

    In the concluding two weeks of the campaign money could become a bigger issue, as people get frustrated by what they may rightly perceive as both the potential theft of the election in some states and the purchase of the Presidency. The poll movement has been away from Obama the last few days, with his national lead of about 8% dropping a few points in most surveys. My best guess is Obama's national lead is about 5% today. That is not yet a done deal, though Obama clearly remains a heavy favorite to win. Perhaps. those reports about the big victory party planned for Chicago may be a bit premature.

    During the primaries, despite outspending Hillary Clinton by 2 to 1 or 4 to 1 in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, Clinton still won those battles. Maybe at some point, voters will tune out the flood of ad messages and the selling of Obama by the national media, and decide for themselves. One thing is clear: Obama has shown how much he likes to spend by how he has run this campaign ,. This is a foretaste of his npresidency should he be elected . Repeat the phrase "tax and spend", and you will get a good sense of what an Obama Presidency would be like. If a candidate can spend on a Presidential campaign more than double what any other campaign in history has ever spent before, think of what the size of the federal government will look like after one or two terms of an Obama presidency.

    All that government spending will not be paid for by raising taxes only on the "rich", so far defined by Obama as those earning over $250,000 a year. Unless Obama is lying (now that would be new) he has said he would balance the budget in a few years. That will be impossible with all his new proposed spending, including the new welfare programs that he mislabels as tax cuts for the 44% of Americans who do not now earn enough to pay federal income tax (thanks to the Bush tax cuts) . Balancing the budget will require him to greatly broaden the category of "rich" people who need to be taxed more, but Obama will tell you not to mind, because it is "fair". Maybe a year from now the definition of "rich" becomes $150,000 , and two years from now $100,000, and by the end of his term, $75,000. What we know is that to pay for all his promises, Obama will need to find many more people to tax much more heavily so he can "spread the wealth around."

    How a candidate runs his campaign is an important indicator of the character of the man or woman we may elect. In the case of Obama, the evidence is that he is a very skillful, ambitious, and driven candidate, and also a very, very cynical and dishonest one. What Obama says means very little. He is after all a clever lawyer. We have had a recent experience with a very smart lawyer as President and how he parsed words. In Obama's case, the lies have been pretty blatant, despite the best spinning efforts by the campaign.

    It is not his words, but what Obama does that matters. And right now, Barack Obama is trying to buy the Presidency, and it looks like he is succeeding.

  • spar2
    spar2 Member Posts: 6,827
    edited October 2008

    noughsaid.jpg Note to Obama supporters picture by spark56_photo

    I got this e-mail this morning and couldn't resist

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited October 2008

    Looking from the outside in, I think  McCain saying that the middle class were people earning less than $5million per year alienated a LOT of people.  Especially considering the economic state right now.  Likewise, I think Joe the plumber also left those earning less than $250,000 per year a bad feeling.  Not only can people making this much afford a better lifestyle than most, but they can put a good amount of money away for retirement and emergencies.  So when they get sick or lose their jobs it doesn't have the same impact as it does on someone making $50,000.  Is it so wrong to want to protect these Americans?  

    This is my major problem with McCain as president.  I don't feel that Canada has a socialized government, but we do have policies more in line with Obama's plans.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2008

    Nancy--Just wanted to add

    Even though that was a fabrication, Sowell has serious issues with Obama

    From the Dallas News a recent article:

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/viewpoints/stories/DN-sowell_08edi.State.Edition1.19c17b6.html

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    Thomas Sowell: Obama's choice of allies says much about him

    01:28 PM CDT on Tuesday, October 7, 2008

    Critics of Sen. Barack Obama make a strategic mistake when they talk about his "past associations." That just gives his many defenders in the media an opportunity to counter-attack against "guilt by association."

    We all have associations, whether at the office, in our neighborhood or in various recreational activities. Most of us neither know nor care what our associates believe or say about politics.

    Associations are very different from alliances. Allies are not just people who happen to be where you are or who happen to be doing the same things you do. You choose allies deliberately for a reason. The kind of allies you choose says something about you.

    Jeremiah Wright, Father Michael Pfleger, William Ayers and Antoin Rezko are not just people who happened to be at the same place at the same time as Mr. Obama. They are people with whom he chose to ally himself for years.

    Some gave political support and some gave financial support to Mr. Obama's election campaigns. Mr. Obama in turn contributed either his own money or the taxpayers' money to some of them. That is a familiar political alliance – but an alliance is not just an "association" from being at the same place at the same time.

    Time and again, Mr. Obama has allied himself with people who openly expressed their hatred of America. No amount of flags on his campaign platforms this election year can change that.

    Unfortunately, all that most people know about the Illinois senator is his own rhetoric and that of his critics. Moreover, some of his more irresponsible critics have made wild accusations – that he is not an American citizen or that he is a Muslim, for example.

    Such false charges serve only to discredit Obama's critics in general. Fortunately, there is a documented, factual account of what Barack Obama has actually been doing over the years, as distinguished from what he has been saying during this election campaign, in The Case Against Barack Obama, by David Freddoso.

    He starts off in the introduction by repudiating those critics of Mr. Obama who "have been content merely to slander him – to claim falsely that he refuses to salute the U.S. flag or was sworn into office on a Koran, or that he was born in a foreign country."

    This is a serious book with 35 pages of documentation in the back to support the things said in the main text. In other words, if you don't believe what the author says, he lets you know where you can go check it out. Here's one example:

    Mr. Obama won his first political victory by being the only candidate on the ballot – after hiring someone skilled at disqualifying the signers of opposing candidates' petitions on whatever technicality he could come up with.

    Despite his words today about "change" and "cleaning up the mess in Washington," Mr. Obama was not on the side of reformers who were trying to change the status quo of corrupt, machine politics in Chicago and clean up the mess there.

    Why much of the public and the media have been so mesmerized by the words and the image of Mr. Obama, and so little interested in learning about the factual reality, was perhaps best explained by an official of the Democratic Party: "People don't come to Obama for what he's done, they come because of what they hope he can be."

    Mr. Freddoso's book should be read by those people who want to know what the facts are. But neither this book nor anything else is likely to change the minds of Mr. Obama's true believers, who have made up their minds and don't want to be confused by the facts.

    Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. His e-mail address is sowell@stanford.edu.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited October 2008

    Saluki,

    I would agree with your post.  It is the ridiculous accusations that take away from the truth.  It also puts people in a position of defending a person, regardless of their politics.  This may be what wins the election for Obama. 

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2008

    You would think that considering that Obama has spent more then any other candidate ever for elected office, has the backing for most of the media and in print, that he is running against the legend of a very unpopular Republican President that he would be a lot further ahead in the polls...........at best in taking all the poles and averaging he is ahead by 3 to 5 percentage points?.............why?..............hmmmmmm interesting............I still don't think this race is over............as the media would like us to think............hasn't CNN already announced Obama's victory?.........hmmmmm..............Shokk

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2008
  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited October 2008

    I have just watched the interview on Hardball with Buchmann.  I am interested in your response to her comments. Is she truly representative of the Repub party or do you think she is off base?  Honestly, I thought that her limited views were very scary.  It is no different than saying all muslims are terrorist.  

  • ibcspouse
    ibcspouse Member Posts: 613
    edited October 2008

    shirley

    thank you for your spirited defense, I know I should never go over to the other thread, (the angry old man thing again).  I am waiting alone in the Emergency room while Cam get's X-Ray and then fluids,  She has been dehydrated so feeling kinda bad.  My mood must not have been the best.  I will stay here in my back yard, it's safer than over___________________}.

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2008

    PIP - I did not watch the interview but read about it. No, I do not think she is representative of the Republican party which is probably why she was asked to come on that show. I had never heard of her before. There are going to be "nut cases" in any party. She is a "nut case".

    As to your earlier post - Our country was founded by people who did not want government running their lives. Our economic system fosters innovation. Someone with very little with hard work can make his mark here. If we start giving out checks to people (redistributing the wealth) a large number of people will be happy with that and not make an attempt to get ahead - rather will try to make darn sure that they keep getting those checks. Instead of giving people checks we should be helping them with job training. We should be improving our schools - not just pouring more money down the drain - but really improving them. Health care here would require a major overhaul to have universal coverage. Personally, I think it would be easier to implement on a state-to-state basis rather than on the entire country. Look at what they have done to Medicare - they pay for quantity rather than quality - the more tests a doctor orders the more he/she gets paid - so of course the doctor orders lots of tests you probably do not need. My dad is 88 and on Medicare - he sees the doctor every three months - does he need to see the doctor every three months - probably not but Medicare pays for it. I can see the same thing happening with universal healthcare here.

    Shokk - I have been asking myself the same thing - with all the money, media backing - he should be way ahead in the polls.

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2008

    IBC - You went over there <-------------?? I went over there to read after a long time - what a bunch of angry women. It is much nicer over here. Prayers going up for Cam.

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2008

    Barney Frank says more taxes for the rich are coming at us down the road: 

    Problem is, their idea of who's rich is $75K a year.  Tax and spend:

    http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3156963&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html

    Barney also spent the day today blaming the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mess on the republicans.  He said they were in power for 6 years and did nothing.  Barney, you did nothing.  McCain and others had a bill to fix the mess, remember?  Every democrat voted against it, and a few republicans.   What kills me about this, they get away with lying. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2008

    Let me tell you, IBC, I was shocked at what Little-G wrote.  Here it is for everyone to see.  Talking about vitriol..and no substance to back up anything they're saying.  They just talk about the angry, frustrated whatever repuGs.  I hope the heck I can stay awat from those women.  I cannot understand why women, even if you do not like Palins policies or even her, would make a statement like this.  And, IBC, I will not post yours because you deleted in respect to LAphonix since she thought you were so disrespectul.  Oh, and everybody, she reported OUR IBC.  They better leave him alone. And IBC after reading the post about Palin I understood where you wre coming from.   You were only trying to make a point, but they distorted it.

    From Little-G  

    Personally, I think this woman is happy just getting her 15 min.of fame and having everyone tell her how hot she is.  When she dosn't win VP, we'll be seeing her in an issue of Penthouse or Playboy.  The troll would have been better suited to pick her as court jester.  And picked someone he really believed in for a running mate.  Again, what a joke that campaign is.  And for them to start spewing this "socialist" stuff.  They may want to look at themselves and see if the word Fascist comes to mind.  I can't remember who asked me which way I was voting in our Senator election here in OR, I have decided to swing way left this year.  I'm voting democratic down the line.  Like Bush's supposed "no child left behind" I want "no republican's left behind!"  Well, I will type in more later.  I'll be sending Barack positive energy as he visits his grandmother.  I hope all will be OK for her.  The rest of us...keep the word and energy moving forward!!!   We are almost there!!!!  Obama '08...it's almost here!!!

    My response:

    LA, I just came here because saw where IBC posted and wanted to now what he said.  Then, I went back through the posts to see WHY he said it.  I couldn't believe what he was saying.  Now, I'm back here to post and UNDERSTAND WHY he said it and he explained to you WHY and I shall repost it because I didn't know he had already explained why.

    First, I'm going to say that IBC is an honorable man, a man who looks afte his sick wife.  How dare you to even report him.  Can't you take care of this yourself.

    Little-G wrote:    

    Personally, I think this woman is happy just getting her 15 min.of fame and having everyone tell her how hot she isWhen she dosn't win VP, we'll be seeing her in an issue of Penthouse or Playboy.  The troll would have been better suited to pick her as court jester.

    That remark is beyond sexist.  It's full of vial and venom  =  HATE.  IBC was ONLY trying to make a point.  I believe for the very first time I will use my report button too.  And before Little-G has a chance to delete her message I have the proof.

    Where on the republican (yes, ya'lll call is REPUG..should we call you DIMS?) are we spewing so much hatred for your candidate.  We don't talk about his big ears amongst other things I probably could come up with, but would be ver distasteful.

    Your message is full of vitriolic language.  Acutally, I find it repulsive.

    Little-G wrote:    

    And for them to start spewing this "socialist" stuff. 

    The repulicans are (meant aren't) SPEWING anything.  You guys are angry because Obama has finally caught SAYING IT..SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND = SOCIALISM for which the American people are not in favor of.

    NOW, GO AHEAD AND IGNORE MY POST.  BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH A DEFENSE.

    BTW, it's been posted right here on the Obama thread about the porn flick that's coming out from Hustler and I think you guys found that amusing.  At least as far as I read you didn't defend Governor Palin against such vitriol.

    Instead of just "talk" why don't you guys post things that are worth reading so you can CHANGE OUR MINDS? 

    I'm done.

    Shirley

    (I see I made mistakes in this post cuz I was so angry with them.  Don't go over <------------------------------ ever again!)

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited October 2008

    Hi all, I would just like to add, I posted (and deleted) news....back in the day.  And oh, some candian laws that were inacted and what date, book writer opinions...just research I was wanted to share with you all.  I deleted when I thought, I don't like being in the middle of politics, and then got asked to stay, and then deleted again when I thought I don't like being in the middle of politics, and then stayed.  Now I have decided I don't like being in the middle of politics, and what the heck was I doing there anyways...having relatives living, working and paying mortgages in the U.S.  just wasn't good enough reason, because, unlike them I can't vote.  So sorry all for hitting the dang delete button too often.  I will preview first always (did this time too).

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2008

    Summer, you are a delight.  We want you here.

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