That's what I'm thinking.  I remember another forum that had a thread with many, many pages and it was very sluggish.

Thanks.  I was hoping it wasn't my puter.

Shirley

Great post, Badboob.  Palins interview with what's-his-name (Charles Gibson) was also HIGHLY edited.  I read some of it and key points were edited.

But, ya know the media..Obama just received four more endorsements from media outlets.  Good for him.  They deserve each other. 

Shirley

Ok Ms Shirley, last thing  if you would, go back one page, five hours ago read my health plan, then give your ideal solution to health care problem

I just now saw your health care plan.  I also found another post that needed to be answered.  Look above.

Heck, IBC, I don't know what to do about health care.  I remember a long time ago that we had to meet a deductible, pay 10% then it went up to 20%.  Back then insurance didn't cover our pharmaceuticals.   But, back then I didn't use our insurance much and didn't take many meds.

I'll have to think this over. 

Shirley

Shoot, you dems keep me so busy over here that I don't have the time to peek at your thread.

Shirley

IBC, thank you for calling them out.  I just went over there and was truly disappointed.  Shall we gather all of our documents and post them.  They can delete them if they wanna.  Nah, too much trouble for absolutely nothing.

Shirley

Are y'all up all night (like moi) or up very early?

This is trivia, but in the past, there was always a "Florida White House" (Kennedy in Palm Beach and Truman in Key West) or a "California White House" (Nixon & Reagan), "Kennebunkport White House" for Bush 41, "Hyannisport White House" also for Kennedy, and so on. These places, such as the Crawford Ranch (fully "green" from what I've read) are fully equipped as mini-command centers and Presidents are in constant touch with DC. In August, almost everyone leaves Washington, including Congress. Mr. Bush has been a very hard-working president .

I am not implying anything here nor defending this administration~~~which is at an end, despite leaving a host of problems for the next President. God, or whomever his higher power is, bless him; he's gonna need it!!!

I am like you shirley and have to stop reading to address only one thing.  Your article is about the marines.  Did you know the job of the marines is first in first out?  They have been pulling out all along for the last year.  There are near as many marines there.  for every marine they pull they normall put in a member of the US Army because in the eyes of the jobs in the military that is who should be there now.

The marines do the initial push in and try to get some security in the town then they leave the rest of the work to the Army.  So all the peace maintaining and rebuilding of their city is left to the Army.  So sure they can post good news that the marines pulled out, nice little chunck to throw the press so that they think we are leaving iraq.  Makes the republicans look good in a time of so much turmoil in our gov't but in all actuality we are still there, just a different dept of the military is there to oversee and keep the peace.

I'm seriously trying to tell you things are not as peachy as they want you to believe about iraq.  I know things that will turn your thinking around. 

Does the press tell us that the Iraq people do not want us there?  They are complaining they at least had running water and some modern conviences under Sadam that they till do not have.  In the early stages of this battle al queada blew up key roads and bridges thinking it would keep the US and NATO forces out.  How silly is this, we build our own bridges go in and pull out our bridge when we are done.  They sabotaged their ability to keep things like running water working.  Those cities I mentioned have no modern conveniences are are no where close to getting them.  The your iraqi boys drop their pants and shake their private parts at americians as a sign of disrespect.  These are not things that are shown in the news.

The Army's role is to flush out al queada and leave everyone else aloone yet they are treated so terribly over there.  So not to be rude but please don't quote the media sources on the war unless you know them to be 100% true.  This is all the gov't is allowing us to see.

Rosemary, Obama was not on committees that dealt with the middle east yet he did go through and tour those areas on his campaign.  I do not believe he will jump in and just pull our troops out by putting them in danger.  But some change has to happen or this is going to  be a never ending babysitting service. 

The movie you watched was based on what the reporters see and can talk about.  My son lives there daily.  I see the pictures I cry tears worried for him.  He cannot even go to the bathroom without fear of a sniper trying to kill him.

He is in such an area that the war is still very much going on contrary to what people say.  I see it and hear it in his voice.  As a parent you want to protect your children but I can't.  He voluntarily chose to defend our country and I am very proud of him for doing that it is just a shame things are white washed for the media.

LuAnn,

I know you want to believe so badly in your choice.  Not a problem.  Watch the movie then we'll talk about who was right and who was wrong about the war.  Thank God McCain was over there many times and saw exactly what was going on and called for the surge. 

Every Senator has a vote and should have been over there before speaking about it and voting on it.  Every representative and Senator should have went there and then talked about it.  It's no wonder Obama kept saying the surge didn't work, he never saw it before the surge. 

No, I could never in a million years think Obama will be capable of running 2 wars.  Never.  He didn't even give our guys and gals the credit for the new Iraq.  That was shameful in its own right. If you don't believe it's a new Iraq since the surge then watch the movie.  I'll pray for your son to stay safe.

Rosemary, how do you know personally that the surge worked?  You are relying on news sources.  I am seeing what is going on through the eyes of servicemembers that are there.  I sit weeks on end when my son is in radio/phone blackouts because of the battles they are engaged in.  So don't believe everything you see on tv.  I do believe the photos I've seen from my son and some of his platoons cameras.  As well as things they are telling me with photos to support it.  Just so you know my son is a McCain supporter so you can't say he is blinded by Obama and is telling me this on purpose.

LuAnn, the thing we didn't see was what other people who were apparently Obama supporters were saying to the McCain supporters.  Talk about one sided reporting  Personally, I would never say the things they were saying.  However, I have heard, seen, horrible things about Bush.

Isn't it wonderful that we can live in a free, democratic, capitalistic (may not be much loner) country where we have free speech. 

I don't think any of us are naive enough to think every area in Iraq is nonviolent.  And, why are the Marines pulling down their bases in Fallujah if the Army will come in and take over.  Did you see the video.  They were hauling of bobbed wire...no more bobbed wire fences. And I realize that videos do not always tell the truth. 

So, you thought is we should have picked up and pulled out at least a year ago?  If you don't understand what Rosemary is trying to tell you then there's no convincing you. 

I think the generals on the ground have the best of our troops.  I think we should get our advice FROM the generals..not Obama.  Rumor has it that Obama didn't want any decisions made about this war until after the election and he is betting on winning. 

I can't make you see my way.  You can't make me see your way. 

We live near a Marine base, Camp Lejune in Jacksonville, N.C.  It's maybe an hour away.  I would love to have access to what Marines there are saying. 

Can you tell me why your son supports McCain?

As far as Diane (Badboob) is concerned. coming here venting may be extremely good for her.  I don't believe we should be sharing with this community the rough times Diane is going through.

I found this post on Fox in a forum from the link Rosemary just provided.  Thought it was interesting.  It says a lot.

I lost everything to a car wreck and spinal cord injury in 2000. I had the best car insurance, health insurance thru employer, and a great retirement package for my age. I made a 6 digit salary and huge bonuses. It's all gone now. I lost my home of 21 years. I now live in an a handicapped apt on limited Soc Sec. disability income (1138.00 a month. Talk about reality setting in, well it had. I have nothing much, but I am alive. I still don't want welfare, and I won't vote for Obama. I feel guilty every day that I can't go to a job, and do what I was once capable of. THose who got off welfare are doing much better. Why would anyone want to give away their hard earned $ to Gov. Let them pick and choose who to give it to, their family, and special charities. Don't take more of our choices away. Wake up America, and Fight for your rights to indivuality. AND NO these polls are a bunch of bologny. Unless there's a hugh deficit, no one really knows until the election, so don't give in McCain supporters he can do this, just like it's happened so many times!

My hope for this person is that he/she has family members who can help him/her.  Instead of the government taking our money (well not mine...we don't make $250,000 HAHAHA) they could give this person some help instead of the government.  Look how we're screwed by the government.  Social Security is about gone because of their foolish borrowing (stealing) from us.  Is that the same as "embezzlement?" 

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/17/gupta.healthcare.reality.cnn

Geez, I didn't know they did all of that.

I was traveling via a buddy pass.  So, of course I was bumped before payers.  There were several marines who were leaving from the same airport I was.  The fellow at the desk told me there were seats available, but that with all their belongings there was too much weight on the plane to add anyone else.  Yep, that takes a lot of fuel.

Take care

Shirley

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