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  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited September 2008

    OK, I guess they're doing the foreign affairs debate first now?  Seems like now would be the time to talk domestic issues.

    I thought this post was great.  Shows you what one man-one sign can do! 

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akmuckraker/akspalin-lies-one-mans-pr_b_127914.html

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited September 2008

    I think the debate moderators should switch and do domestic issues-- but not tell the candidates, since the candidates have to be ready on a moment's notice and they'll need to show they know the issues.

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited September 2008

    Great idea, Amy. And let's see them do that for the Veep debate, too. I am so freaking sick of talking points being spouted in place of a real answer.

    Anne

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    Back to basics for me. Why I am voting for Barack Obama on November 4th:

    I want a smart guy to be President.
    I want someone who is well-spoken to be President.
    I want someone who is pro-choice to be President.
    I want someone who inspires people to be President.
    I want someone with a good temperament to be President.

    After Bush the bar is set real low on performance.Wink

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited September 2008

    Oh Anne--- if they did that for the VP debates it would be really, really interesting.

    Laura -  you forgot smart Wink - again the bar being set low.

  • justanna
    justanna Member Posts: 90
    edited September 2008

    I want someone who is honest, genuine, and has integrity.  I believe in Obama.  I also believe in his family and am comforted by the fact that his strong commitment to the values I respect are reflected in his marriage and the way he and Michelle have raised their children.

    Anna

  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited September 2008

    Everyone seems to think that the economy is going to be brought up in the debate, regardless.  I haven't heard exactly how it's going to be moderated.  I like the freer, direct format but I hope they won't be interrupting and talking over each other.  I'm not expecting a lot of spontaneity in their answers, but you never know.

    Yeah, after Bush went on to win after his stumbling "it's hard work" debate performance, the bar couldn't be set any lower.       

    Did anyone see Clinton on Letterman last night?  That man certainly knows his economics.  He was explaining the current crisis, and for a few minutes I actually understood what leverage buying is all about.  He made some nice comments about Biden, but barely uttered Obama's name.  I think it's still hard for him, protests to the contrary notwithstanding. 

    Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall when Palin meets Kissinger today?   

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited September 2008

    Justana, I hear you on that. I am so sick of being lied to by the president and his administration., I am disheartened at the lies coming from the McCain camp, from little lies like whether Palin was in 40 feet i nto iraq or not, saying she was in Ireland when she never even got off the plane there. If I can;t trust them to tell the truth about mundane things, I certainly can't trust them to tell the truth about big things. I beilieve Obama is much, much more honest than McCain- although with McCain I sometimes wonder if he;s lying to himself so much that he actually believes what he';s saying.

    Has anyone been watching the hearings on the bailout? I keep thinking there has to be a way to effect this crisis from the bottom up in terms of "bad debt" on mortgages. When i was a kid we were in a flood and some government agency gave my parents an interest free mortgage to buy a new home (the whole town was destroyed), if the goverment forgave some of the interest on mortgages and/or renegotiated the terms, even if upping the length of the terms over 30 years, then there might be a way for people to stay in their homes which would help out some of the insurance companies which would be helping the mainstreet and wall street all at the same time. I'm not talking about people who bought above their means speculating, but those who were either taken advantage of or have come on hard times. There should be a limit to the value of the house and income level-- so poor and middle income folks, the ones who suffer most during a downturn are being taken care of- not the McMansions.

    LA- I didn't catch letterman, that's past my bedtime. I think Clinton runs hot and cold on Obama and I do believe Bill wants Barack to win.

  • djd
    djd Member Posts: 866
    edited September 2008

    I usually don't like to re-print the blogs I read here, but I can't resist today.  Below are three posts that made my day... (Bold underlined titles are my words, not the articles.  The actual text and links are below) 

    1)  Republicans from Alaska are revolting against Palin/McSame's tactics:

    http://community.adn.com/adn/node/131724

    From Kathleen McCoy at the ADN's Alaska Newsreader --

    Mother Jones mojo blog reports that Senate President Lyda Green is pursuing options that might allow the state Senate to convene and deal with Troopergate.

    Calling herself a "raging Republican," Green says, she is "absolutely disgusted, embarrassed, and ashamed" by the McCain-Palin campaign's intervention in the Troopergate probe.

    Green is alarmed by the McCain squad's use of hardball tactics and "the length to which they're going to impede and delay" the investigation. The local press conferences held by McCain-Palin aides, she adds, "are vile. They're attacking nice people, saying things that are not true. Walt Monegan has been respected in all circles. To see him used as a scapegoat is very disheartening."

    Green said she is making calls and exploring whether she could call the Senate back into session to either instruct the attorney general to change his position, or to order those subpoenaed under the Legislative investigation to honor that call. Whether the Republican-controlled House would go along is another question.

    2)  The Media has stopped giving McSame a free-pass, so McSame is "firing" the media:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/23/media-palin-un/

    Earlier today, the McCain-Palin campaign backed out of its promise to allow print journalists from reporting on Gov. Sarah Palin's (R-AK) U.N. meetings this afternoon. Instead, the campaign wanted to turn it into an elaborate photo op, deciding to allow photographers and a CNN camera crew only. According to Politico, the press have begun to revolt:

    But the imbroglio began developing Tuesday morning when Palin's handlers informed the small print press contingent covering her campaign that the print reporter designated to cover the events, Elizabeth Holmes of the Wall Street Journal, would not be allowed to cover the sprays. [...]

    The campaign also at first moved to bar CNN, the television network designated for pool duty, from sending its editorial producer - basically a hybrid print/video journalist - though the campaign budged when the network threatened to withhold its cameras as well.

    With increasingly negative press coverage over these events, the campaign eventually allowed Holmes into the Karzai event for a whopping 29 seconds, and has now agreed to let her cover the next two "sprays" before Palins' meetings with Colombian President Uribe and former U.N. Secretary of State Kissinger. Earlier in the day, the networks had voted to ban any use of photographs and videos from the event, to protest the lack of editorial presence and deny the McCain-Palin campaign of a free photo op.

    Similarly, in Ohio today, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) ignored questions from reporters on the bailout, prompting one journalist to yell, "Has your bus become the No Talk Express?"

    3.  The Palin bounce has turned into the Palin albatross on McSame's polling numbers;

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/23/131259/495/588/607596

    A precipitous drop in Sarah Palin's approval may be helping to fuel Obama's gains. Immediately after the convention 41% of Colorado voters said that her selection made them more likely to vote for John McCain, compared to 38% who said it made them less likely to do so.  Since then there's been a 12 point drop in her net favorability.  Now just  38% say that she makes them more likely to vote for the Republican, with 47% saying  they're less likely to do so.

    "Barack Obama has greatly increased his lead with independents since we last polled Colorado," said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling.  "It seems like the more voters have learned about Sarah Palin the less they've liked her, and that's allowed Obama to open up the largest lead he's shown in a PPP poll of Colorado."

    Those who argued giving Palin a pass when she was wildly popular were wrong. While she's rallied the base and solidified states like North Dakota and Alaska for Palin, she is now toxic to independents and Democrats.

  • djd
    djd Member Posts: 866
    edited September 2008

    I should have been asleep, but I had to stay up late and watch Letterman last night.  Bill Clinton is amazingly sharp and knowledgeable!  Letterman kept him on for 3 segments.  The funniest part was when Chris Rock followed.  He came out and was simply speechless to be following such a substantive, intelligent, educational conversation between Bill and Dave.   But he did mention, quite humorously, how Clinton rarely said Obama's name during the interview.

  • MOOSAN19
    MOOSAN19 Member Posts: 34
    edited September 2008

    I cannot WAIT for the VP debate-- it is going to be so awesome.  A real side-splitter.  "But I can see Russia from my house!"   LOL

  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited September 2008

    It's nice to hear about Colorado!  It's taking longer than I thought it would, but it does seem like the bloom is off the Palin rose.  (What exactly are "sprays" anyway?)  The financial crisis helped push her off the front page, as did her continued refusal to talk to the press.  That was a gamble on the campaign's part-- playing it safe and avoiding gaffes vs. pissing off the media and looking like you're afraid.  Same thing with Troopergate.  Stalling to avoid embarrassing revelations vs. looking like you're obstructing justice.  Lyda Green is the woman that Palin was dissing and giggling about on that right-wing radio show.  (She's a bc survivor.)  I guess it's payback time now!

    Unfortunately the VP debate is going to be more structured than the presidential ones, at Palin's insistence.  I heard that Biden's been practicing for it with the female gov. of Michigan. 

    On Letterman, Clinton was talking about the importance of helping people stay in their homes, either by re-negotiating their mortgages or letting them rent.  He also mentioned using green technology as a way to create jobs and stimulate the economy.  That cheered my heart.  He seems to get a real kick out of explaining the concepts and does so in a way that's relatively easy to follow.  I do think he realizes that getting Obama elected is the best way to assure his own legacy, but he still has a hard time saying his name!   

  • djd
    djd Member Posts: 866
    edited September 2008

    I just saw this line [see the bold sentence at the end], from an opinion article in the Des Moines Register that I think I will have to get put on a T-Shirt or Bumper Sticker:

    "...

    But the sideshow over things like lipstick on pigs was entertaining for about a week - until big financial institutions collapsed and the stock market sagged. It spooked scared Americans even more. By mid-week, the polls had started to shift back in Obama's direction. Suddenly McCain's strong suit - protecting national security - isn't what voters were after.

    That's to be expected. Republicans have been in the White House for eight years. Oh, the Democrats carry their share of the blame for the nation's economic troubles, but political history teaches the party out of power often benefits when times are tough. Many voters, especially angry new ones, may figure the Republicans have had their turn and it's time to give someone else a chance.

    If this is a repeat of the 1930s, the Democratic gains of 2006 can be recorded as akin to the Democratic gains in the election of 1930. That election presaged Franklin Roosevelt's victory in 1932, which ushered in 20 years of Democratic control of the White House.

    Last week, Democrats succeeded at wrapping the nation's economic troubles around McCain, who was trying to reinvent himself. But the born-again, pro-regulation populist didn't help himself by saying the economic fundamentals were sound. That came on top of an earlier statement in which he said the economy isn't his strong suit.

    And Sarah Palin's effect may be peaking. She seems uncomfortable in the rare interviews she grants. She doesn't leave you with the impression she'd be any more competent to handle the nation's economic anxieties than its foreign relations. Yes, she may be pro-family and a mom with five kids. That's great but Americans are looking for someone to handle Wall Street and Iraq, not Bristol and Track."

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/OPINION01/809210320/1166

  • sccruiser
    sccruiser Member Posts: 1,119
    edited September 2008

    Did you see Palin's road to nowhere that was built even though it was supposed to go to the bridge to nowhere (and she told congress no thank you), on CNN tonight? Funny comments made by citizens about this road--they complained that this road was better than any road they drove on on the whole island! One woman thought they should put picnic benches in so people could drive on it and have a reason to drive on it!! It would be somewhere to go. HA HA HA

    Of course, they had to justify it--was left in as a pork barrel line item and since the contract was signed before she took office, her hands were tied and they had to build the road. Talk about government not working too well. Reminds me of those characters in a movie a while back--the stupids step out! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    First clear lead of the general-election campaign in the new Washington Post-ABC News national poll.

                 LaughingObama now leads McCain by 52 percent to 43 percentLaughing

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/23/AR2008092303667.html

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited September 2008

    I'm not going to be able to see the  VP debate live. I'm going away for a long weekend and probably won't have tv access next thursday night. I'll have to catch it online afterwards,

    While I'm thrilled about the polls, I'm still worried that Bush/McCain will present something terror related, whether real or not real, in late October in  attempts to get the public to swing republican. Did you guys watch Rachel Maddow last night? She showed documents that were translated by the bush administration that stated Malakai (sp?) proposed US withdrawal to end at the end of 2010 but Bush wanted it pushed back a year because of US politics (the election). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/report-bush-pushed-back-i_n_128570.html . I wish I could say I was shocked and appalled, but this is sadly predictable. McCain and country first my ass.

  • BethNY
    BethNY Member Posts: 2,710
    edited September 2008

    I cannot believe McCain is suspending his campaign and wants to skip the debate and go to washington instead.

    I understand they have a job as senators, but this debate is essential...barack is about to speak right now...

    I feel like McCain is doing this b/c he's grasping at getting the public to think he can handle the economy.

    I guess the debate is going to be pushed back.

  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited September 2008

    Wow, McCain hits another new low.  He agrees in a direct coversation with Obama that they do a joint statement, then sneaks off to look "presidential" by announcing he's suspending his campaign and postponing the debate.  Can you smell the desperation??  I thought Obama's comment that presidents have to do more than one thing at a time, and that the public has a right to hear them debate their stands on the issue, was a good one.  Can't wait to hear McCain's "version" of that phone conversation--well, we agreed to a joint statement, but we didn't agree not to have a solo press conference beforehand to make it look like it was all my idea!  A man of honor?  I don't think so.

  • BethNY
    BethNY Member Posts: 2,710
    edited September 2008

    I liked what Barack said as well about the president having to do more then one thing at a time.

    if they go to washington, every move they make will be scrutinized, No?  Would their presence take away from the task at hand? Do you think that because the dems want to place all these (appropriate) checks and balances on the governments bail out plan, that McCain's people will try to spin it like Barack's view is to hold up the process, of saving the economy-- or something to that effect? 

    And can anyone tell me if I should dump my mutual funds for something FDIC insured???

  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited September 2008

    Instant polls indicate that only 10 percent of Americans agree with McCain that the debate should be canceled.  36 percent think the subject should be changed to domestic issues. Only 14 percent think the campaigns should be suspended. 

    From what I've read, no one is really thrilled with Paulson's plan, including Republicans.  Congressional offices are being flooded with calls and emails demanding oversight and help for homeowners.  So I don't think Obama and the Dems slowing down the process a bit will hurt them politically. 

    Beth, don't know about the mutual funds, but I'm talking to my financial adviser in a bit and can ask him.  I think it's only a problem if you're near retirement age and will need the money soon. 

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited September 2008

    McCain is desperate and he thinks the American public is dumb as Bush does. What a sleaze bucket. He cancelled his appearance on letterman, lying about going back to DC, instead he taped an interview with Katie Couric. The man just doesn't get it. If we can't trust you to lie about the little stuff- how are we going to trust you with the big stuff?

    I am honestly shocked about how much corruption is going on in the McCain camp. What about all the Rick Davis/ Freddie Mac payments. Did McCain not know? Did Davis lie to McCain? This is big-- not sure which is worse, lying about Davis's lobbyist ties OR being unaware of them.

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited September 2008

    I think McCain's advisers have calculated that he has a risk of looking terrible in this debate and losing MORE voters than he will just by cancelling...

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited September 2008

    I think the networks should give Obama the whole 2 hrs if McCain refuses to go- the McCain/Palin campaign has been slippery with the media-- avoiding questions, trying to get pictures but not questions from Palin's meet and greets with the UN leaders etc. The public deserves to hear how both these people think on their feet, not just what they've studied or are reading from cue cards.

  • djd
    djd Member Posts: 866
    edited September 2008

    McCain, a decorated "war hero", is sadly looking quite cowardly with this stupid stunt.  He's saying we should "set politics aside", but it's clear to anyone with a functioning brain that he is trying to bring the presidential campaign in to the bipartisan discussions that are already occurring in DC.  He's actually trying to politicize and impede their progress!!  

    To think, I actually respected this poor man just a few years ago.  I think he has simply gotten too old and can't really think on his feet anymore, and thus is afraid to debate BO.  If he is really afraid of the debate, the fact that he is still hell bent on being president speaks volumes about his lack of good judgment.

    And Sarah is the disaster we all knew she was from day one.  No wonder the McCain campaign is  treating her like a Barbie Doll, only to be seen and not heard - when asked (repeatedly) by Katie Couric to name ONE time in 26 years that McCain called for "more regulation", Sarah could only dance around the subject and finally ended telling Couric, "I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you."  Pathetic, on so many levels.  If Sarah had good judgment, she would admit that she's not ready to hold such an important office and step aside.  But she's a power-hungry "hockey mom" who has repeated the same lies over and over again everday since she was selected.   And if Sarah really does think she's qualified, why is she letting the campaign keep her muted all this time?

    And Rick Davis has been getting $15K a month for the last 5 years, right up through last month, from Freddie Mac in exchange for "access" to McCain.  Geez, my company requires every employee to take ethics courses because we are often in a position of competitive bidding against other companies, sometimes in other countries, for government contracts.  I had to take my annual refresher CBT the other day, and I swear, the "don't ever do anything like this" list read like the Republican play-book for "how to sell you souls to Lobbyists" that I'm pretty sure is required reading!

  • djd
    djd Member Posts: 866
    edited September 2008

    Forgot to say in my last post, I think this is the day that the campaign turned a historical corner.  I predict that pundits will look back on this for years to come as the pivotal day that McCain lost his bid for presidency.  (Although I think he jumped the shark when he selected Palin.)

  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited September 2008

    Good idea about the debate, Amy.  I like it!  Or maybe Sarah can sub for John.  I heard what Letterman said after he found out that McCain was still in town, chatting with Katie.  He didn't pull any punches.  Maybe the real reason they want to delay McCain's debate is so they can cancel the VP debate next week.    

    Beth, I talked to my adviser (an Orange County Republican--thankfully he didn't do any McCain endorsing).  According to him, the important thing is to be as diversified in your mutual funds as possible.  But they're still OK as long-term investments.  He did say that if you have any accounts, like a money market acct. or variable annuities, that are connected to one of the failing institutions, like AIG or Wa-Mu, to get your money out now. 

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited September 2008

    DJD, I keep asking myself if I was wrong about McCain when I used to respect him or if he changed. Then I remember he was part of the Keating 5 even though he wasn';t charged with a crime he was censured. Maybe he's just good at duplicity.

  • Maire67
    Maire67 Member Posts: 768
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  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited September 2008

    "I hear the Pres blame people borrowing when they couldn't afford loans." 

    Also, people calculated that they could pay the monthly rates quoted at closing.  But because these were subprime VARIABLE-RATE mortgages, when the rates went up like crazy and the payments jumped, then people who could afford $500 a month couldn't manage $1200.

    I just googled "variable-rate mortgage" and found this 2006 New York Times financial column worrying about a looming crisis, but the author was pooh-poohed by all the mortgage firms he called!  http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/15/business/15money.html

  • djd
    djd Member Posts: 866
    edited September 2008

    Regarding the sub-prime, variable rate loans...

    I interned at a mortgage service division of a large bank in college, during the Reagan years.  I remember very distinctly that fixed home loan rates were in the double digits, at one point as high as 18%, so tons of people took ARM loans, with initial rates as low as 7%.  Three years in, when the new rates kicked in, millions of homeowners, especially in parts of the country impacted by the low demand for oil, simply walked away from their homes.  That was also when the S&L scandal was exposed.

    As an adult, I STILL marvel at the fact that I was able to get a fixed rate home loan for 6%, so it simpy amazes me that anybody would gamble on a home they couldn't afford by taking a risky adjustable rate loan.  But, I also know that there are two industries that are chock full of experts and know better than ANYBODY on the planet how to manage risk:  financial services and insurance companies.  They have armies of PHD's and MBA's to create risk models and advise the Boards of Directors on their decisions.

    If the taxpayers are sold out to save the experts and screw the average Joe homeowner who was naively inspired by a "Flip this house" episode or a late night informercial on how to get rich in real estate, then our country's priorities, principles and ethical standards are completely bankrupt.

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