Positive Obama thread
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Nicki, I just assumed you were right and I was wrong on the spelling lol. Don't forget Russian planes fly over Alaska- that's experience too. MSNBC, not the best source for unbiased programs but they do have many conservative guests, is talking to guests about a female conservative columnest who is suggesting Palin step down.
Grace- I didn't realize that the repubs were trying to oust Leiberman, he's such a loyal puppy to McCain. The dems don't trust him either.
Maire- I consider the "old white ladies..." to be a compliment. My grandmother drove into her mid nineties, though it frightened the heck out of me and she would have an Obama bumper sticker. She's hysterical at 99, and an Obama supporter (mostly because of me). Her short term memory is almost nonexistent and she keeps discovering that he's black and asking me, "did you know Barack Obama is black." LOL. She's in NJ too.
Sandy & marie- I don't think religion, catholic, christian, jewish, muslim, atheist, wiccan etc. are what cause people to take care of each other and do good works. I believe that people are generally good and don't need religion/god(s) to tell them that. Maybe religion helps remind folks or church gives specific opportunities, but I think most people don't do charitable acts because of religion. I don't think you were trying to say that it was the reason, I'm just commenting that in my opinion that it's not the cause of the good deeds. Some religions or churches do seem more about avoiding the negative than promoting the positive- probably the ones who preach hate and prejudice from the pulpit- fire and brimstone.
grace- I vote on social issues- gay rights, choice, human rights etc. I'm in the smallest percentage voting this election--- I'm also in the same group of people (though polar opposite) of people who vote based on gun rights and antichoice-- go figure LOL.
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I was on a plane for part of the debate, but thank goodness for TIVO! My take is that Obama didn't make any mistakes, so the debate was not a game-changer. Neither candidate did anything to gain or lose votes. By default, that mean Obama wins, because he had a clear lead over McCain going in, (poll-wise).
If "undecideds" are going to be swayed by the debate, I suspect they will feel more comfortable with Obama (the nice guy) than McCain (the angry guy).
I am tempted to put on a pot of coffee and pull an "all-nighter" listening to the post-debate analyses! Whenever it happens, I will sleep well!
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Amy,
I think you win the my friends count--I only counted 2, except that I got caught up in McC's constant interruptions of Obama's replies to questions. However, it seems McC has a new phrase--guess so we don't hit the snooze button and nod off when he speaks. LOL The phrase is: Obama doesn't understand, you don't understand, he doesn't understand, etc with the understands not!! Too bad I didn't think to count how many times he said it. But it was enough to distract me from his lecturing tone. Maybe he should teach school?
I thought foreign policy was McC's strong suit--was I wrong? Didn't seem like he was very strong this evening. Perhaps he should have spent more than 1 day prepping for the debate. I thought Obama held himself very well. Obama needs to learn to keep speaking, as every time he paused McC seemed to think that was his cue to go for it. Very irritating. I hope Obama is more solid in the next debates. There were issues with McC's beliefs and policies that he could have hammered home more. Maybe Obama doesn't want to be accused of picking on the elder person at the podium.
Can't wait to see Biden and Palin next week. Is it 2 hours also? I don't know if I can take her voice for 2 hrs. Think I'll turn on the program for the hearing impaired so I can mute the voice. Yeah. That will help me for sure. Anyone else have trouble with her voice? The pitch is just like nails going down the blackboard.
Sleep well all.
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All the early polls have Obama the clear winner of the debate. Yeah!!
I thought he did well, although McCain certainly didn't make any major gaffes. Not that I was expecting him to. I think people's perception of how it went has as much to do with presentation as content, and Obama came across as more presidential. A lot has been said about McCain's not looking at Obama and not saying one nice thing about him (and he never called Obama by his first name). He may think this makes him look strong, but I believe the public is turned off by that kind of partisan belligerence. It looks especially bad if you're making the claim that you're going to "reach across the aisle." If you can't even look across the aisle, how are you going to work across the aisle? I don't know how many undecideds were pushed to Obama by the debate, but it was a start. I think Obama showed that he knows his foreign policy and that he's willing to get tough. McCain sounded at times like he was giving a lesson in military history. But that's how he understands foreign policy--it's all about generals, battles and winning. I suspect the American public is getting a little tired of that worldview after almost 6 years of Iraq. I liked Obama's "I've got a bracelet too" response and his list of McCain's "wrong ons." I thought Obama could have done a little better on the economy part, but liked that he mentioned his tax cuts a number of times. McCain was really fixated on the spending/earmark thing. Not sure the average voter cares that much about earmarks, really. It's very inside-the-Beltway.
Chris Matthews was driving me crazy with his analysis. Did he watch the same debate as I did? MSNBC needs to get some fresh talking heads. I thought CNN had a better post-show discussion, but they may have too many talking heads. I liked that they had their foreign correspondents weighing in though.
Well, off to hear what Rachel has to say . . .
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Actually, it is the Democrats trying to oust Lieberman.
State party to consider bid to oust Lieberman
Associated Press - September 24, 2008 3:43 PM ET
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - Connecticut Democrats are considering trying to force Joe Lieberman out of the party.
The veteran senator calls himself an "independent Democrat." He was re-elected as an independent two years ago after losing the Democratic primary. Six years earlier, he nearly became vice president as Al Gore's running mate.
But he spoke at the Republican convention, and he supports John McCain.
The state Democratic party has scheduled a debate tonight on a resolution that would censure Lieberman and ask him to resign from the Democratic Party.
One supporter of the resolution says Lieberman's GOP convention speech, in which he praised McCain and criticized Barack Obama, convinced her that state Democrats need to take a stand.
But the head of the state Democratic party says there are just a few people who want to pass such a resolution now. She says the rest want to focus on the upcoming election.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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I watched the whole debate and didnt fall asleep once! Thats significant as I usually am out by 7 pm!. I was a little anxious, cause I wanted Obama to do well - and in the end I thought he did great. I thought at times McCain was long winded and Leary should have controlled that part a bit more. But on the other hand it made McCain look bad.
I laughed to myself cause I knew some of you were taking count on words. "He doesnt understand." It became so disrupting and distractive - dont think it impressed a whole lot of people either. I kept flipping news channels as I am slowly learning that each one has its own agenda with regards to who they are supporting. This is my weekend to work and I finially had to turn the television off or I would have pulled an all nighter like Donna.
With regards to Lieberman. I hope both parties out the guy. If he was in the Costra Nostra he would be on the bottom of an ocean somewhere. He is a traitor! I saw him welcoming McCain when he arrived in Washington the other day. He is a shape changer.
I thought that McCain did look like the angry little short guy who could not contain his temper which was so important in this political venue. Where as Obama seemed more like a president. McCain told lies and Obama pointed out truths - that is the way I saw it.
Wish I didnt have to work today because Im gonna miss all the political shows. My husband surprised me. He didnt want to watch the debates and everytime Obama said something he would walk into the room and make a negative comment. I was a bit startled and finially asked him "are you voting for McCain." He finially admitted he doesnt know what he is going to do until he walks into that voting booth. He walked into the bedroom a couple of more times and commented "this is boring." So I politely said well then go into the living room and watch what you want.
Hillary was my first choice, so jumping onto Obama's bandwagon has been slow and difficult for me. But Im there now and feeling very proud. Husband asked me if I was gonna vote and said you betcha. Dont want McCain getting any leverage by not voting. I dont like McCain and I dont like Palin. And yes - I cant stand to hear her voice. It also rubs me the wrong way - but it is her lack of experience and beliefs that give me the heebie geebies.
Nicki
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Summer, I can never figure out why you post on the positive Obama thread because you always seem to post something antiobama or anti democrat.
Obama won the debate, in my opinion based on style and substance. McCain came across as an angry old man, bitter who hated Obama so much he refused to look him in the eye. I kept thinking about McCain standing across a foreign leader who he disagreed with, a leader he considered a threat to the country. If McCain couldn't say one positive thing about Obama, couldn't look Obama in the eye, couldn't admit when he disagreed any common ground, how would he be at negotiating with foreign leaders he considered enemies where compromise and at least the guise of civility are paramount. Does McCain hate fellow senator, fellow American who loves the country more than he will hate who he considers an enemy? Is Obama on the same level as bin Laden because McCain sure acted that way. That's not country first, that's McCain first. Obama, on the other hand, showed leadership, the ability to see shades of gray between the black and white of the issues, and statesmanship as someone who can have a discussion with someone he dislikes without being petty.
Grace, we'll have to redo the "my friends" contest during the town hall debates.
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Random thoughts about the debate, etc.:
I'm just waiting for the McCain campaign to say that McCain didn't look at Obama because a war injury makes it impossible for him to turn his body and head.
Obama was wearing a flag pin; McCain wasn't.
Since McCain was addressing Lehrer and not the public, he couldn't say "my friends" too often (once I believe). So he repeated "you/he don't/doesn't understand" instead. Another favorite phrase, "I didn't win any congeniality contests." No kidding! Do you really want to remind people that you don't play well with others?
I couldn't believe it when McCain just declared that Obama was unfit to be president. Isn't that for the voters to determine? Can Obama just say that McCain is too old, cranky and feeble to be president?
Why did McCain say that his pen was old? Did he think we could see that his Sharpie wasn't new? How old can a Sharpie ever be?
Lieberman is a Benedict Arnold if ever there was one. It's funny that McCain has had him and Giuliani on display, but not Palin, the other self-professed "maverick."
Palin's voice is excruciating. Hillary used to have the same problem, but during the primaries, she figured out how to lower the pitch and take the edge off.
My DH's new bumper sticker suggestion: McPain-Failin' 08.
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I just read a blog post about McSame's constant blinking. I noticed it last night and thought he must be on medication because his left eye wasn't drooping as much as it has recently. So I just watched a clip from the debate and blinked everytime he blinked. It made me dizzy! It was like being in a 70's disco-tech with the flashing lights!! I am serious - try it and see what you think - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp3xdUUWIes
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I found McCain's constant "You don't understand", "He doesn't understand", etc. to be incredibly partonizing and condescending.
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donna - thanks for sharing that youtube piece
here is another one i found entertaining from the debate
Really John? More McCain Versus McCain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g5Wl2gg6o8&eurlnow we have joe, the current chairman of the foreign relations committee and sarah, who can see russia from her back yard, to look forward to.
President Barack Obama sounds better all the time!
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Well, after a day to "digest" the post-debate reactions, I am BEAMING with hope and confidence that we are going to have President Barack Obama leading this country 4 months from now!
Nicki - I remember when this campaign started, and you were very leery of Obama. I am so glad that you are now so comfortable with him. I have seen the same transformation in many of my friends and relatives. And I must admit, I would vote for anybody who is not Republican, but when it comes to Obama, I am EXCITED (unlike with Kerry in 2004) about our candidate!
Laura - I watched the video you linked to...thank God it was less than a minute long, because it gave me the creeeeeps!
LAPhoenix - I love that bumper sticker slogan! I live in Texas and have and Obama sticker on my car. One day recently I thought the guy behind me was acting squirrely (sp?) and trying to get in front of me for no good reason. Being a conservative type on the road, I just slowed down and let him go around me. When he got in front of me, I saw that he too had an Obama sticker! We are rare in Texas, so we have to stick together, I guess!
The debate between Biden and Palin is going to be legendary! I can't wait.
Amy - Thanks for starting this thread - I have become addicted!
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Donna: You are so right. In the beginning, I was in Hillary's camp - and I was indeed leary about Obama. Even after he won the nomination I was still befuddled and didnt know what I wanted to do. Now I would go to a rally for him.
Everytime I see McCain or Palin my blood pressure goes up. The lies and just the unhappy feeling they express make me walk away and shake my head. Especially when McCain is recommending taxing our insurance. Sure he might give back some money the first year, but then we will be stuck with that for the rest of our lives. I dont know about everyone, but Im paying out my nose for insurance right now and being taxed to the poor house.
The thought of Palin stepping in as VP sends a chilling feleing down my spine. Im hearing some Republicans are asking her to step down! Either way - it sure shows that McCain isnt that good at decision making. Never was and never will be.
Nicki
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Who saw Tina Fey doing Palin on SNL last night? She was spot on and a very pregnant Amy Poeler was funny as Katie Couric. I think Tina Fey would be a better VP than Palin, she's a hoot.
Nic, my blood pressure does the same thing.
Obama is on for the whole hour on CBS's morning political show with Bob Scheiffer (sp?).
About the bailout plan-- I'm still having difficulty understanding why the government use the 700 billion dollars to give very low interest fixed rate loans to home owners who will then pay their loans back to the government and the banks/mortgage companies will have the money repaid. Main street will be better off and thus have more disposible income to put back into the economy, and wall street will be better off without the defaulted mortgages. Given the choice I'd much rather give my tax dollars to people on main street who made bad financial decisions than banks and mortgage companies who had the financial expertise to know what they were getting into.
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Madalyn, I was wondering if the federal government could sue some of the corporate CEO failures or if there could be a class action suit from US taxpayers. One guy got 100 million dollars over 2 years. Another got 18 million for 3 weeks. This is pure hubris. Nobody needs that kind of money. There is no job in the world that needs to make that kind of money. Teachers get paid squat and people who play a game for a living, sports figures get paid obscenely, but at least when they get paid they aren't costing the tax payers money.
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ladysuz
that has to be one of the most disgusting things I've seen in a long time. I was hoping to see BC.org remain relatively politics-free, or at least respectful. The way it is put - oh, you can make fun of SP but don't make fun of the one - turns my stomach. And that's supposed to be respectful? hmmm. Although, Jesus did wash the feet of his followers. Oh, let us just laugh and laugh and laugh...and then it's put down to Dems are just so PC and we're not.
Insurance - I chose to work for a large company that will never make me rich, but provides truly world-class benefits. As a result, we do just fine and with my cancer dx last year I paid LESS THAN $100 in co-pays. I also receive short-term and long-term disability, which allowed me to be off for 6 weeks at 60% pay. It disgusts me that McC would tax my company and my benefits. I choose to make a lower salary basically in exchange for the $$$ the company spends on benefits. It is my duty as an American to put my country first and pay my taxes...for a group that keeps crying "country first" they (repubs) sure seem to be me-first.
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ladysuz, I totally agree with your reaction and that is why I think (and fear) McCann will win.
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Lady Suz, I am just plain disgusted about the "Obama shining shoes" picture you describe. I know all of us ladies share this breast cancer beast, but I guess it doesn't truly unite us when things like that abound on this web site. I am not particularily religious, but I do pray that this sort of racist thinking will not prevail in the upcoming election. I pray that we can look upon our fellow human beings without regard to our skin color, but rather towards what we stand for and believe as fellow human beings. There is so much support and downright love on BC.Org. I respect each woman's political beliefs on this website. We are all different and I would NEVER judge someone else's feelings---they are very personal. I would hope and pray that we can all be tolerant of the vast range of beliefs held by our sisters. No matter what......I hope and pray we can all get along!!!
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Ladysuz, the people over there don't even know the meaning of the word racist. They think it only means wearing a white robe and having slaves. I don't even go there because they just don't get it. People who say, "i have a black friend" and they think this means they aren't racist just don't get it.
Unlike you, Anne, I judge racism and I want nothing to do with it, breast cancer or not. Just because someone has breast cancer doesn't mean she's a nice person or that she's not a racist.
Serene, I worry about McCain winning due to the racist vote or the people who don't even know they're racist and will simply just a black man differently than a white one under the same circumstances.
Maire, I said that same thing about $250,000 being middle class. There are families who consider themselves middle class who need 5 years to make that much money.
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Please know, Anne, that racism is alive and well in the good ol' US. And no one who is a racist idiot ever BELIEVES they are a racist idiot.
Realize that we're only a generation removed from the civil rights tumoil of the 60s. My parents had to sit in the balcony of their town's movie theater, went to segregated schools, peed in "colored" toilets - the whole nine. The children of the a$$holes who stood in the doorways of "their " schools to keep my parents out are the same age as me. Things have changed but not that daggone much...
Which is what really worries me about this election. Like Amy said, there truly are people out there who will not vote for a Black anything simply on what they consider principle. I'm sure lots of people will SAY they're voting for Obama, but in the voting booth, it may truly be another story - cause at the end of the day, he's still Black...
And for anyone reading this from "the other"...ummm..."respectful" (lol) thread: it is freaking offensive, insensitive and outright ugly to post a cartoon of the first African-American to ever win his party's nomination for president shining the shoes of the other party's umteenth white guy. Had someone posted a cartoon of Northern Exposure Barbie cooking for Obama or McSame hooked up to an IV and a heart monitor, y'all would have had a freakin fit. Recognize this: some sh*t just ain't funny...
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And to add to Amy's comments about the pic & racism: I bet if you polled the person who put it on the thread, the person would say over and over "I am not a racist." It's interesting how many people there are that say they aren't a racist, and do something like that. I've seen it again and again on this board. Sad but true.
They also don't even want to entertain the idea of learning about how this country has treated people of color over the years. Oh, but don't say a word about SP--and then you are being sexist! Oh. Please!
We cannot allow McCain to win this election. We must continue to push for Obama/Biden votes. The idea of taxing our companies on the insurance they provide us is ridiculous. And the idea that small businesses are in the category of pay taxes like large businesses do is just hyperbole. I have known and know many people w/small businesses, and they don't make near $250K a year. But the large businesses and corporations take huge tax credits.
Did anyone watch the segment on CNN (Ithink it was), an interview w/Montana cattle ranchers. These guys are amazing, and conservative, yet they are against the bailouts! They believe it is wrong, and that these "guys" (the corps and those who made this mess) need to pay their bills just like they(the ranchers) do. He went on to say that he buys what he needs for a year on credit--sometimes as much as 1/4 mil dollars, and said "We always pay our bills. It our duty to do so."
I don't trust Paulson and co. I'm shocked that anyone would consider giving him that much power. It's ludicrous! Shows me just what this Republican administration is capable of, and before this Ithought we were at our lowest point--this country can't go much lower!
Wonder if they'll manage to keep Palin from doing the debate somehow? It would not surprise me. His campaign manager isn't doing very well.
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Hi Everyone:
Hope you don't mind a "Canadian Cousin" dropping by to add her two cents' worth to this thread.
For all the people who attack those of us who think Sarah Palin is a joke, and then call us sexist, they forget that we're judging Palin by the same standards as we would judge a male VP candidate who is clearly not up for the job (think D Quayle...)
The old saying "When the U.S. sneezes, Canada catches a cold" makes MANY of us on your northern border truly worried about Palin (as well as McCain). Wish I could vote but, since I can't, I'm trusting that all of you wonderful cousins will try your da**dest to ensure a Dem victory on Nov. 4.
Best of luck,
Linda
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I saw the shoe-shining pic on another site. Like the Obama "Aunt Jemima" waffle mix parody there's nothing subtle about it. It astounds me that people over a certain age would claim not to get the historical racist message behind images like that. But if you protest, you're accused of being too PC and obsessed with race.
Anne, I share your feelings about respecting other people's political beliefs. We all indulge in political satire and sarcasm (no politician is above it), but there are boundaries. It's one thing to poke fun at what we see as the opposing candidate's weaknesses, and another to mock the people who support him/her and toss out bigoted images. I'm sure that if I posted a photoshopped image of Palin, barefoot and pregnant, ironing Obama's shirt, then implied that her supporters were Kool Aid drinkers obsessed with sexism, the McCain folks would be rightfully incensed.
Yeah, I thought McCain's comment about Obama's definition of rich was a real misstep in the debate. I suspect that most Americans do consider making over $250,000 a year to be "rich." Not 9 homes and 13 cars rich, but a lot more money than they're ever likely to make in a year. I think that's just another example of McCain being out of touch. There probably was a time when making that much money seemed like a realizable dream to some middle-class folks, but with stagnant wages and rising costs, not so much anymore.
I don't know what to make of the bailout bill (excuse me, "rescue" plan). It's scary to think of the Treasury Secy having that much power over so much money, even with oversight. Apparently the banking lobbyists pressured lawmakers into blocking provisions that would have made it possible for homeowners facing foreclosure to renegotiate their mortgages. Weren't the foreclosures the root of the problem? Seems like we're still getting screwed with all this frantic, backroom stuff.
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Linda, thanks for your Canadian P-O-V! As Eddie Izzard points out, since Americans like to refer to the president as the leader of the free world, how come the rest of the free world doesn't have a say in who's president? If only! Obama would win by a landslide.
One last comment from me about the shoe-shine image. I don't usually read the other political threads, but my curiosity got the better of me when I read about the image. What struck and appalled me was that no one said, that image is racist, take it down. Instead they said, the lefties are going to think it's racist, so you better take it down. If they're still wondering if it's racist, I think Felicia's response says it all. (For the record, Amy has never called Palin a "vagina." She said it was offensive that McCain would think that Hillary supporters would be impressed by his picking a vagina over a penis. You know, any ol' vagina will do, even one that opposes everything Hillary has fought and stands for. McCain's the one who calls women "vaginas" and makes jokes about rape.)
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I'm a rubber-necker, and had to go look. It was incredibly racist. No, on this thread no one called Palin a "vagina" and to be brutally honest, I've called Palin a lot worst. I'm a feminist, a lesbian, a mother of daughters, but I immediately jumped to thinking, "wow, a lipsticked 'female dog' pitbull; just what we need," when I heard her infamous acceptance speech. I know that word wasn't politically correct. I know I sort of have my own prejudices, but at least I acknowledge and try to work on them. I hadn't been to that thread before and I really found it scary.
The image was incredibly racist and I'm glad she pulled it. I hate the reactions to it from her fellow supporters. I am terrified that these people might continue to decide the outcome of our children's future.
I feel proactive, somewhat. I've been dragging around two infants to retirement homes and taking those seniors who can't or won't drive to register to vote and promising to drive them to the polls on November 4th. Sometimes I have to bite my tongue and not try to influence or project my opinions, but I learn a lot listening to the lively debates going on between very wise people that have obtained far more experience than I have.
Anna
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Well said Anna. This one's especially for you, Linda and Felicia:
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I saw that trash on the other thread this morning. It doesn't surprise me one bit. The Repubs say that are not racist, yet they brag about listening to Fox news which routinely tosses around racially charged insults at anyone with brown skin. Their latest buzz, thanks to the like of that self-loathing hate-filled beast of a woman, Michelle Malkin, is that the current financial crisis can be blamed on too many minorities getting loans they couldn't pay. And of course, as always, it's all Bill Clinton's fault!
I am really glad that I don't live in such fear and loathing of everyone who looks different than me. Life is so much brighter out here in the clean air! What really cracks me up is how many of them are bemoaning the fact that their educated children disagree with their parents and are voting for BO. They wring their hands and spam them with every hateful lie-filled screed they can dig up on Drudge, or Bill-o or Limbaugh, or Hannity. Heck I even saw a post quoting ANN COULTER for pete's sake! I don't even think the Coultergeist takes HERSELF seriously.
Okay, enough of getting my hands dirty with the mud-slinging. I am just so happy that BO is up 10 points in the polls and McSame has not gotten a single gain from the stunts he pulled last week. Life is good.
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Hi all positive Obama ladies!
I haven't been on BCO so much in the last few months -- actually in large part to avoid political fights! -- but I am always happy to read this thread!
Glad I missed the offensive image...
I just wanted to post a few links that might be helpful resources in talking to people who are still "on the fence"... People who may mistakenly believe that Obama will RAISE their taxes, and McCain CUT them! People who think McCain is telling the truth when he claims to support veterans!
about Obama's tax plans vs. McCain's:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.htmlabout the effects of McCain's proposed taxation of health insurance/benefits:
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2008/mccaintax/index.html
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2008/mccaintax/uninsured.html
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2008/mccaintax/middleclass.htmlabout possible loss of state laws protecting our rights as health insurance consumers, if McCain succeeds in deregulating insurance as he has planned:
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2008/mccaintax/consumer.htmlabout how Obama is rated 80% and McCain 20% by veterans' organizations, because Obama has voted FOR and McCain AGAINST bills to fund veterans' health care, GI Bill for tuition, "dwell time" for service men and women to be guaranteed a day in the U.S. for every day spent in Iraq, etc.
http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1957
http://www.vetpac.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=40Love,
Ann
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