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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Today our daughter is 28 and doing well, thanks to our LPN soon to be a doctor, who realized she needed serotonin replacement (I already knew that, but what does mom know anyway LOL) but now daughter is taking this and it cost very little and she is soooo much better, but she was basically manic, even as a child.  She wanted to get well her way and after 10 adult years and losing the battle, she went to see my LPN and so is on even keel now, bonded w daughter, working again, happy, no more anger issues.

    BUT

    When our daughter was growing up, she was said to need Ritalin and more, we never did anything except the natural CHILL PILLS, a calming effect from herbs.  She hated them but they were mandatory because she was always angry or too happy for anyone's good, kind of manic.  These did work, and if I had known what I do now, I would have done the serotonin support and D3, CoQ10, amminos, minerals and iodine.  Live and learn.

    When she was crazy running, crazy hyped energy, traumatized by her saadness or really angry, I had a spray bottle with water and a few drops of lavender oil in it, I would spritz the room or  even her as she ran through. I tell you what, she would sink down in the chair, all energy calm, and say, I hate that stuff.  It worked.

    Edited to add::::: and it was next to nothing in cost.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    I'm glad your daughter is doing well Essa, couldn't have been easy, but it looks like you found the right recipes

    Now, ladies, promise not to laugh...and let's all pop our beta-blockers

    The heart drug with an unusual side-effect... it could make you less RACIST

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2111600/Blood-pressure-drug-combats-racism-unusual-effect.html

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    junk science, junk reporting, do they ever learn?  I promised not to laugh but just did a little when imagining their targeet market for this drug would now be .... what do they call them... skin people or something? 

    Am now reading a book on Alzheimer's cures, and I just read one from Mayo on the reason they have found that people develop Alz, and this pretty much backs up the reasoning, and the cure is so simple, or the way to avoid developing.  If it is true, it's all nutritional and the thyroid must be working at optimal level... again nutritional.  Not enough money in that either.  Why does it have to be so complicated?  I know why, but why really, I lament.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Looks like their target market is young people - noticed the two cheerleaders pic planted by pharma, I really wish it was a joke Laughing

    ADRs associated with the use of beta blockers include: nausea, diarrhea, bronchospasm, dyspnea, cold extremities, exacerbation of Raynaud's syndrome, bradycardia, hypotension, heart failure, heart block, fatigue, dizziness, alopecia (hair loss), abnormal vision, hallucinations, insomnia, nightmares, sexual dysfunction, erectile dysfunction and/or alteration of glucose and lipid metabolism. Mixed α1/β-antagonist therapy is also commonly associated with orthostatic hypotension. Carvedilol therapy is commonly associated with edema.

    Central nervous system (CNS) adverse effects (hallucinations, insomnia, nightmares) are more common in agents with greater lipid solubility, which are able to cross the blood-brain barrier into the CNS. Similarly, CNS adverse effects are less common in agents with greater aqueous solubility 

    Adverse effects associated with β2-adrenergic receptor antagonist activity (bronchospasm, peripheral vasoconstriction, alteration of glucose and lipid metabolism) are less common with β1-selective (often termed "cardioselective") agents, however receptor selectivity diminishes at higher doses. Beta blockade, especially of the beta-1 receptor at the macula densa inhibits renin release, thus decreasing the release of aldosterone. This causes hyponatremia and hyperkalemia."

    And the list goes on and on !

    Essa, re Alz, Dr. Newport's video is worth watching:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iScs0uzQZFk 

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited March 2012

    Ugh!  I take a beta blocker for my heart palpitations...again, only 1/2 the recommended dose, and it works fine.  Now I've gone to taking it every other day, and might even try to taper off altogether since it was discovered that I was low in magnesium through testing by my naturopath, and that also causes heart palpitations.  Again, cardio docs don't bother to try and discover the underlying reason, just give you a pill to mask the symptoms.  You still have the palpitations with the bb, you just don't feel them.  Now that I'm on the magnesium supplement, I'm not having them that frequently.  My naturopath would prefer that I get off them completely.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Kaara, magnesium is vitally important.  I've begun taking extra mag aside from the cal/mag combo and the amount in my multi

    Magnesium and cancer research

    http://magnesiumforlife.com/medical-application/magnesium-and-cancer/ 

    A very nice link for you:

    http://naturalallopathiccardiology.com/cms/ 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Hi ladies,

    I think beta blockers cause a reduction in magnesium levels. So even tho the docs don't mention that, supplementing with magnesium is a good idea.

    Better idea is to get off meds altogether :)!

    Maud, like your tagline. How true that is!

    tucker

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited March 2012

    Maud:  Thanks for the link.  I am going to cut back the bb to a couple of times a week and then try to taper off completely.  For some reason you can't just quit.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Hey Tuck, where have you been ....you're welcome Kaara, I'm sure magnesium will work wonders for you 

    grrrr, the more I dig, the angrier I get Yell

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs&feature=player_embedded#! 

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited March 2012

    Anyone know anything about transdermal magnesium? I'm going to google it anyway, but thought I'd ask. My problem with increasing my magnesium orally is that it gives me diarrhea. (Yep, it's what's in laxatives.) I either need to find a slow-release mag supplement or a transdermal...

    Magnesium has amazing health benefits for a number of issues, especially neurological ones.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Hi Maud,

    Gee, thanks for missing me!! :) I've been on & off the forum in between singing in community choir, tap dancing, zumba and soon dragon boating for my 2nd season.Tongue out Oh yeah, and walking my doggies. So glad I found a good naturopath in onc...he has helped a lot with my energy and detox after the poisoning.

    How have you been? What have you been up to?

    tucker

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Wow Maud!! Bayer sold tainted medication overseas!! I can't believe they'd do that just to make a profit (wink wink).  That is so SICK. The things humans do to other humans....unreal. Thanks for the youtube update on that.

    tuck

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    AnneW,

    Here is a link for transdermal magnesium: 

    http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=transdermal%20magnesium&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmagnesiumforlife.com%2Ftransdermal-magnesium%2F&ei=o2dhT5eDBMKYiALJmJ2gBA&usg=AFQjCNE2YMdTUg5WErsaEoJNbF3Xnnmilg

    I have not tried this product, but I have tried another one called Ancient Minerals. You may want to google it. Hope this helps!

    tucker

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Tucker, between you and me, we could dig up dirt until the cows come home, I tell ya

    yes you were missed Wink

    you gotta be kidding right, tap dancing, zumba and dragon boat racing !!! tell your naturopath I'm coming over !!!!  my dear bro lives in beautiful Vancouver, it's crazy all the alternative clinics over in BC, you lucky woman you ! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Last night on Genesis of Healing, they said magnesium helps one sleep all night.  I would always want Angstrom or microcolloidal or transdermal, even a spray. I avoid pills when possible.

    Getting my Vit C infusion tomorrow, again, 4 hrs long.  Wish FDA approved this and my ins paid it.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited March 2012

    Hummmm...maybe that's why I'm sleeping well at night...my magnesium level has been raised with supplementation.  I also don't have my ongoing heart palpitations any longer.  It was noted that I was low through my blood testing.  And to think....my PCP wanted to give me sleeping pills...glad I refused!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Essa, never heard of Angstrom vits, I want to get away from pills too and go for maximum absorption. Here's an interesting video on mag - please let me know ladies if my links don't work, txs !

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN1CvC-38k4&feature=channel 

    Kaara, I have eye problems too, and will follow this Dr.'s advice:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehZIIfnUUKw&feature=channel 

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2012

    Anne- My sis in law has problems with oral Magnesium and takes the oil on her skin. She has had success with it, and uses it on her neck, as she has tension there due to problems with her C5 disk. I use Magnesium Glycinate, and it has worked wonders for me. I used to suffer from panic attacks frequently, and since I've been supplementing, I no longer have panic attacks. In fact, if I start to feel any type of nervous sensation (i.e. on the road up to the ski lodge and I am scared of heights), I will take a magnesium pill for relief.  I truly have not been edgy for the past few years since I started.

    I also sleep like a baby!

     As for ADHD drugs, I think they are an abomination.  Our school system just needs to realize that they need to bend to the child's needs, not the other way around. My son is quite active, and each year, we get the same "focus problem" speech from his public school teachers. I am quite open with them, and I start the conversation with "I refuse to medicate my son, so let's discover together how to conquer this problem," and the teachers back off immediately. It's as if they are testing to see if I am "open" to getting my boy labeled as ADHD.  I feel bad for boys these days. Every teacher seems to want a bunch of compliant, dulled kids to teach so they don't have to deal with behavioral issues.

    Anyway, enough of my anti-ADHD rant.....

    Happy Friday to you ladies!!! 

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited March 2012

    MariannaHB:  Good for you that you are not willing to medicate your child so that the teachers don't have to do their jobs and be creative with learning.  Children who take these medications run a high risk of becoming addicted to other drugs as they grow older.  My son thanks me today for not putting him on any drugs for his ADHD.  It was very hard to keep him focused in school, but he is very smart, and does just fine today.  He had his share of problems growing up, but never drugs thank goodness.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    School like to label kids ADHD. My hubby is an ex special ed teacher. School districts get extra funding for ADHD kids.

    Sad, but true.

    tucker

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Over 700 pages detailing the assault on complementary and natural health-care by organised science, big business and the media.

    Orthodox medical practitioners, pharmaceutical companies and industrial scientists have organised against alternative and complimentary medicine in Europe and America since the last century. Dirty Medicine traces the history of these campaigns, their proponents and institutions.

    Learn how vested interests have manipulated science for their own benefit and suppressed the competition from natural health care providers...

    how the media are complicit in the conspiracy to destroy people's confidence in natural medicine...

    how they sabotage genuine research and destroy the lives and work of those who have made valuable contributions to science and well-being...

    how they have harassed and intimidated those scientists, doctors and victims who have opposed their tyrannical imposition of industry-sponsored propaganda and orthodox therapies.

    How do pharmaceutical companies and their lackeys in industry, media, politics and the legal system get away with burdening society with masses of poisonous and dangerous drugs, whilst suppressing research into natural and safer alternatives?

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2012

    Some misinformation here about ADHD.

    Schools do not get special funding for ADHD. The federal special education law, IDEA, provides schools with funds for children who need accommodations because of their disabilities. SOME children with ADHD qualify because of the severity of the symptoms - even with medication. (But a siomple diagnosis of ADHD is by no means a guarantee of --or an automatic qualifier for- accommodations.) Other children qualify due to learning disabilities and a host of other medical issues.

    A hyperactive unruly child does not necessarily have ADHD. Teachers are not qualified and have no business asking a parent to medicate a child. They should provide support. HOWEVER, some children will need treatment regardless of any support they receive at school. This is a complex issue that does not fit reductionist theories. Unfortunately, unsolicited and un-expert medical advice abounds in our society. The fact that a teacher thinks a child has ADHD means the teacher is speaking out of his/her area of expertise, and is not an indication that ADHD is being overdiagnosed. Only healthcare clinicians are qualified to make a diagnosis.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Pharmacia (means 'sorcery') was founded in 1911 in Stockholm, Sweden by pharmacist Gustav Felix Grönfeldt at the Elgen Pharmacy. The merged company "Pharmacia & Upjohn" merged with the American bioindustry and medical company Monsanto Company in 2000. The resulting conglomerate took the name of "Pharmacia Corp."

    Relationships among Monsanto Company, Pharmacia Corporation, Pfizer Inc., and Solutia Inc.

    Prior to Sept. 1, 1997, a corporation that was then known as Monsanto Company (Former Monsanto) operated an agricultural products business (the Ag Business), a pharmaceuticals and nutrition business (the Pharmaceuticals Business) and a chemical products business (the Chemicals Business). Former Monsanto is today known as Pharmacia. Pharmacia is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Pfizer Inc., which together with its subsidiaries operates the Pharmaceuticals Business. Today's Monsanto includes the operations, assets and liabilities that were previously the Ag Business. 

    http://www.monsanto.com/whoweare/Pages/monsanto-relationships-pfizer-solutia.aspx 

    Who would have thunk ? Just one big happy family !! 

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited March 2012

    At the college where I work, we have many kids who have been on ADD meds since they were 8 years old. No formal ADD testing was done on these kids. But, they have learned that they can focus a lot better on tedious school work while taking meds. I now have "normal" students wanting ADD meds for study-enhancers, to have the same advantage of the so-called ADD students. It's insane!

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited March 2012

    AnneW:  Absolutely ridiculous!  I wish that the FDA would crack down on giving out these kinds of drugs so indiscriminately.  A child should not be able to take these drugs unless he/she has been diagnosed clinically with ADD.  A kid is acting like a kid and we give him a drug to quiet him down!  These drugs have dangerous SE's and can lead to hard drug use later in life.  We have a serious problem in our society with over medicated people who cannot function without a drug of some sort.

    The FDA should worry about this and not the vitamin pills I take. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    (con't)

    Company Structure/Ownership

    Monsanto are 85% owned by Pharmacia (a merger between Pharmacia/Upjohn and Monsanto). In the UK Monsanto are represented by four companies, Monsanto UK Limited, Monsanto PLC, Monsanto UK Services Company and Monsanto UK Holding Company.

    Unless otherwise stated the following companies have either been bought out and subsumed by Monsanto Company or are wholly owned subsidiaries of Monsanto Company.

    Agracetus - US based genomics and biotechnology company, held broad patents on a range of major crops including GM soya and cotton.

    Asgrow - Acquired by Monsanto in 1997  US seed production and marketing company specialising in research into soya, maize and sorghum. Acquired to develop sales of Monsanto's seeds especially Roundup Ready soybeans

    Calgene - Acquired by Monsanto in 1997  US based biotechnology company, conducting research into GM coloured, herbicide tolerant and insect resistant cotton, GM high lauric acid oil seed rape and GM flavour/ shelf life improved tomatoes and strawberries. Marketed the failed Flavr Savr Tomato

    Cargill's International Seed Division - In 1998 Monsanto acquires Cargill's international seed operations in central and south America, Asia, Africa and Europe (excluding the UK) [21]. Markets maize, sunflower, rapeseed, soya, alfalfa, sorghum, wheat and rice seed. Monsanto paid US$1.4 billion for Cargill seeds as part of its strategy to quickly spread the use of its GM seed worldwide.

    DeKalb Genetics - A US based plant genetics company acquired for US$ 2.3 billion. in 1998 [2nd largest seed company in the US and 2nd largest maize seed company in the world.

    First Line Seed - Acquired by Monsanto in 1998 US company mainly selling soybeans. Produces Roundup Ready varieties. Main co-operative partnership is with Asgrow. Monsanto Canada owns a major equity stake in First Line Seed.

    EID Parry n Indian cotton seed producer

    Holden's Foundation Seeds - cquired by Monsanto in 1997 for US$1 billion. A maize genetics business that claims a third of the US seed corn market.

    MAHYCO - India's largest private seed company which enjoys 9% of India's national seed market and has substantial market shares throughout South Asia. Monsanto India owns 26% of Mahyco. There is a joint venture between Monsanto and Mahyco (50/50) called Mahyco Monsanto Biotech (MMB). This company is attempting to commercially launch Bollgard cotton in India.

    Monsoy - acquired in 1996 The largest soybean suppliers in Brazil

    Plant Breeding International Cambridge Limited-  UK based plant breeding and research institute originally publicly owned and then owned by Unilever prior to its purchase by Monsanto in 1998 Owns a vast collection of grass species and varieties, with numerous breeding programmes including potatoes, barley, winter wheat and oil seed rape.

    Sementes Agroceres - acquired by Monsanto in 1997  A Brazilian seed company with a 30% share in the Brazilian maize seed market.

    Not to mention all the joint ventures Frown 

    http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=208 

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited March 2012

    Maud:  WOW!  That pretty much says it all...they control the seed industry!  The food we eat is going to be out of our control if something isn't done quickly.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012
    Don't worry Kaara, they're waiting for you at the other end of the, hum..shall I say...spectrum Tongue out
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    The drugs work like a miracle for the kids who really have ADHD.  In the correct dosage, those kids aren't acting like drugged zombies, but more like themselves.  The drugs allow them to not have to fight their own bodies to do simple basic tasks like sit still for more than a few seconds.   

    The problem is that the way school placement and accommodations work, kids must be labeled to receive any extra services.  There is no definitive test result to diagnose ADHD, so the diagnosis is subjective at best, and if the teacher convinces the parent to ask the doctor about ADHD, it is very easy to steer toward that diagnosis even in cases that aren't ADHD.   The saddest part of that is that the child then doesn't get the help that is needed to deal with their actual issues, but the teacher's classroom discipline issue is solved.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012
    More on the micky mouse trials:
     
    CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN CLINICAL DRUG TRIALS:  RISK FACTOR FOR SCIENTIFIC MISCONDUCT 
     

    "In 1996, a pharmaceutical firm threatened Canadian investigator Nancy Olivieri with legal action if she published research findings unfavorable to the company's product which Dr. Olivieri had been studying.

    In 1990, a company which was funding University of California researcher Betty Dong refused to allow Dr. Dong to publish her findings. We don't know how often such outright suppression takes place.

    Let's look at a fascinating, and almost ridiculous aspect of clinical drug trials: who writes the articles? We are entering the world of guests and ghosts. The Lancet commented on this phenomenon in 1993: "A typical sequence of events begins with a publisher [medical communications company] agreeing to prepare a review article for a drug company...A staff writer prepares the review to the sponsor's satisfaction, whereupon the publishing house contacts a doctor with a special interest in the relevant topic to inquire whether he or she would like to be the guest author, subject to approval of the content, for an honorarium. The pinnacle of success, presumably, is to sign up a prominent academic...The final version [of the article] may contain no clues about its origins"

    Two associate editors of JAMA commented in 1994 that "Ghosts have apparently been hired by pharmaceutical firms to write scholarly reviews about new drugs, and prominent physicians have then been hired to allow their names to be attached as 'authors' before the reviews were submitted to learned journals... But editors like us have had the disheartening experience of telephoning the senior 'author,' only to be switched back and forth from the scientist, who had no idea what had been written, to the writer, who did not understand the science"

    http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/archive/coi/bodenheimer.htm 

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