Alternative Treatment

exbrnxgrl

Yes, good to stay on topic for those of us who have bc and actually know something about the disease.

Caryn

NattyOnFrostyLake

Wow, this is a large variety of strategies. I wonder how people arrived at their strategies. I see DianeEssa has many different approaches. I wasn't quite sure what the colloidal silver was for in there tho I've heard of the others. Is the colloidal silver anti-parasite?

When I began, I looked to my alternative cancer doctor who had 30 years experience. He gave me a list of about 8 things to start with. He was good in that he told me that each supplement he precribed had a "mechanism of action" on cancer. He also showed some of them had a track record with breast cancer or breast health. He gave me xeroxed articles to show these "mechanisms of action."

From him I learned that it wasn't enough to just take things that were healthy. They had to have a specific cancer-targeting method. He also doesn't recommend vegan diets because he said too many of his vegan patients aren't strong enough to fight cancer. Tho, he is big on raw veggies and juicing.

pupmom

Are radishes particularly helpful in the fight against bc? I saw some in the store yesterday and got an immediate craving. Brought them home and my yorkie and I feasted! Yeah, she will eat almost anything! She really, really likes avocados. 

NattyOnFrostyLake

Yorkiemom,

Daikon radishes are a staple of the Traditional Chinese Medicine advocates. But I think all radishes are supposed to stimulate the liver or something. You're lucky to have a Yorkie who will eat most anything. Mine (now deceased from old age) would only eat chicken.

Tillycat

Thank you everyone for all that info

DianeEssa - as you suggest I shall put in a search phrase and start reading :-)

Suddenly there is so much useful information on this thread, It's great.

I think exercise is really important, I trained for, and ran, my first ever half marathon in the period when I was NED. I used to go to the gym, run or jog with the dog everyday.

Since the brain mets were diagnosed some friends and i did an overnight 13 mile walk for a BC charity, the training was very sociable and lots of fun (although I have since found out that the charity has very little to do with stage IV research).

Unfortunately I'm really not up to doing much at the moment, bed to sofa, sofa to bed:-(

I have bought a rebounder in the hope that simply walking/bouncing on that will get my lymph moving and make me feel a bit better again.

As far as reading up on DianeEssa's stuff, I like the fact that it makes me feel slightly more in control of what's happening. One big problem that I have with all the conventional treatments is that it tends to get 'done' to you. My onc is very lovely but he can sometimes think he's a bit like g*d and he passes judgement on the next appropriate treatment. Not so much with primary BC for me but definitely since the secondaries. Ok, so I'm off to do some research and start taking back a bit of control ....

Tillycat xx

pupmom

Wonder if cravings tell us something. I just looked at those radishes and HAD to have one, lol! 

Today I tried to give my dog a little piece of raddish and she turned it down. Gues she got tired of the spicy taste. Heating up some spinach for lunch, which I know she loves.  Most little dogs I've had were incredibly picky eaters. She's 10 1/2 pounds, though, so maybe that's the difference.

208sandy

I love radishes - have since I was a small child, however I have a Bichon and used to have labs and they wouldn't touch radishes but were/are quite happy with a variety of fruits and veggies - must try the avacado on Munchkin - I do hate to share but maybe a tiny piece will hit the floor or her dish.

pupmom

Sandy, I hate to share too. And if I hadn't spoiled her rotten I wouldn't have to! 

pupmom

Sandy, I hate to share too. And if I hadn't spoiled her rotten I wouldn't have to! 

kayfh

A while ago someone was talking about Rife machines. Would you please point me to some information about them that is positive? I could only find stuff on the Internet that said it did not work.

Anonymous

Rife or any one treatment -- you will find naysayers on each subject, have to dig for real info I think. 

Cure for cancer -- You are not going to find a legitimate business that will ever say they can cure or heal cancer.  If they do, they are being idiots and asking for trouble. 

We have to give up on that word of cure when researching and deciding what to use.   Only oncs are allowed to use that word if they can get us to 5 years out (then we can die but they couldsay they cured us for five years).  Mine said it to me and I am still aggravated.  But that is another forum/thread.

Alternative cancer treatments --- It's about does this work for me?  Will this help even a little?  Should I add it to all the other arsenal for my protocol for right now, a few weeks? A month on and a month off? Is it making me feel different after a few weeks?  Do I need more or to change to something else.... time is of the essence always.

When one heals from cancer they either go NED from tests or it seems to be gone completely from tests and/or just the way one feels.... whatever you need to call it, you cannot call it cured.  To me, it's never going to be over.  Like a long game of life with cancer thrown in to make some drama we wish we didn't have to deal with. 

The point being that our version of 'c u r e d' isn't cured at all, we can never presume.  But one is living their life and feeling good for months and years at a time, no problem.

For Rife info, one place, go to JW Labs.  Another source of info is in the book Outsmart Your Cancer (a book I recommend to everyone who does or does not have cancer issues, because we all know someone who needs info, we need to learn what the choices are before it could hit our family.  In that book alone, there is a long chapter on how it was developed, how it worked so well, MDs across North America, the world were so impressed with results that the technology was replicated by an outside source for Rife so they could have their own 'machines' for their patients, problem was it was not replicated exactly because the outside source decided to do it a little differently to save time or money so did not work so well then, was shut down by the FDA due to personal politics.  Sad story bcz Rif had developed them to work on various types of cancer, he knew from his mega microscope unlike any other in the world which type of cancer it was and in what phase.  Cancer morphs.  We must always change strategies to heal.  I don't call it war, I call it healing.  To get our cells to die a natural death is the goal, the immune system will do that for us, given the chance.  So it is healing, not blasting our bodies to smithereens in order to get a few cells out that are being errant in their cause.  Rife believed that too, that they did need annihalated but ever so gently, do no harm.  He was a brilliant mind, as were most who developed various alternative cancer treatments.  To think one of these more gentle approaches could have been the norm, given development.  Rife technology being one of them.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4JtNQnnut8&feature=relmfu  Rife telling his story, from beginning the research to finally being able to treat patients one by one with the right frequencies, this is scrambled and too short to really 'get' it.  But it is him telling step by step how he worked, a very persistent man, imagine spending every minue of one's life in a passion to find the cure for cancer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6geN9DIjvQ&feature=relate  the forgotten Royal Rife story 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enYJcGA4dks&feature=related  Rife machines compared by JW Labs

Anyway, over the last fifty years, people have been healed, not all but some.  It is worth the effort to add to the protocol in some way.  

About bacteria - about half my protocol is to deal with bacteria, virus, fungal and parasites.  The idea is that whatever I am doing to deal with cancer is creating die off of cancer cells and my body is overloaded with that die off.  I must drink a lot of water the day after Rife machine, I need a day for my body to catch up with the treatment I just had, it does die off and cleansing.  Also I do liver detoxes.  When I use the Rife, I need these - olive leaf extract for all of the above, colloidal silver (smothers bacteria and the like), cinnamon oil (high antibacterial / antifungal).

Consider this, so many cancer people die from the infections.  Rife technology is especially about the infections.  

We cannot call it a cure for cancer.  It works for some, does various things for different people.  It does what we need when we need it.  We don't get to control what it is doing for us, just give it that time every few days and let go.  One has to work up to using slowly, it is that effective as can cause great overload.

Let's see.... there was a comment about being in control.  That is the point *_* that we are the ones who will heal ourselves in the end, no onc, no radiologist, no MD or healer can do it for us if we do not want it.  We must be our own advocates, take control  They have it on the doors at the centers (whether they believe it or act on it or not) that we the 'patients' are the most important person on our team.  Conventional and traditional medicine both can want us to let go of control and just be done to.  Problem is, it is our life, no one will go for it more than one who wants to survive.  Worst, when we feel our worst we need to do our best to survive.  A huge HUGE problem.  I wish I had been more prepared for cancer, even with all the friends and neighbors I talked through finding stuff they needed, I did not even know the tip of what I needed to when it hit right at home.  Memory, zip zero, focus, none, and I had to figure out how to survive?  But here we have sounding boards, support, researchers who share.

More importanty, the honesty with ourselves and one another that we need to do this.... I will always hope we have alternative minded people who BELIEVE IN and know what we are talking about and who take time to read what we say.  Then they might see the honesty they need to share and say to us that it is not enough, keep working on that protocol but hurry up about it.  This isn't arthritis.  That was the biggest problem I had with helping people.  Someone would say their daughter had cancer, what did I know.  I would take hours preparing and get it there to give them alllllllllllll this info and numbers to these doctors who could help and they would take three weeks to get it to their daughter, like she just had time.   Same with people with cancer, they took their time to even read or call, but the taking time is over, in my opinion.  I  cannot sit back with NED and wait for the other boot to drop.

Natty - your comment about seeing that your nodes knew what they were doing.  Me too.  In a fit of memory loss and fear I succumbed to a biopsy where the punch was used instead of fine needle I had agreed on, tore my cancer lymph node apart in July, have regretted that ever since (except for being dx with cancer in those nodes and only those nodes, so I knew I was not doing enough yet). Freaked me out and I have a better protocol now, had to, it is systemic, all that through my blood stream had to be dealt with, would not have been enough if node removed. They do know what they are doing, should be left alone, imo.

Enough, don't know how long this page is I typed out but have to go to the bathroom.  Sorry......... hahaha

LOVEEssa - then taking granddaughter shopping and to dinner.

Anonymous

A quick link - but please please do not look at the sidebars and menu - it is a political site and I will not even say it I am pro or con.  But THIS PAGEis one of the most comprehensive on the web when it comes to pages and books and videos for alternative cancer treatments and the doctors, scientist and researchers who are developing or have done so the tx. 

Again, not here for politics, but for alt choices and info.  

A lot of pages go to cancer tutor .com.  I am not NOT NOT a HUGE fan for several reasons, but good info that send you looking for more I suppose.  Look beyond, other pages, other sites.

http://www.dailypaul.com/226732/alternative-cancer-therapies-gerson-kelly-etc-video-library 

I repeat, not listed for political intent.  Just a lot of good info on Paw Paw, iodine, protandim, Vit D3, Cantron, Protocel, Bruzinski, 714X, tumeric, etc etc etc, huge page. Also Essiac - but breast cancer and feminine cancers cannot use Essiac the brand bcz of red clover that was added to mix, they need the original Ojibwa tea which only has four herbs, and never frozed herbs, must be fresh cultivated and organic only.  A huge difference.  PM if confused, or ask here.

btw, I was told by four real doctors to go for 10,000 IU a day in Vit D3.   For breast cancer, we need a lot, hand-in-hand goes cancer, low Vit D, hormones out of balance and thyroidism of any kind - toss all this in the hat of life at once plus a trauma or immune system hit and WHAMO, cancer has an open door, hoping it does not come in. 

Also, I do not have any of this stuff for sale at the time of this post, and if you did come to me to try to buy it, I would say, no, not from me or anyone I know, but I will help you find a place.  I am here to support and learn, not sell to anyone on bco anything at all.

LOVEEssa - got that nickname from another thread.

NattyOnFrostyLake

I have an old Rife Machine but I haven't used it in years--only because I fell out of the habit of using it.  There is a Rife Group on Yahoo. Most of the time it is over my head but there must be a beginner's group.

I wanted to mention that I saw Lorraine Day speak a few years ago at a conference where about ten other cancer doctors spoke. She was truly awful on many levels even if you bought her evangelism. What concerned me was that she was not diagnosed with the episode of cancer she claims to have cured. The pictures she shows could have been a spider bite. There are so many exciting doctors out there, she is the absolute last one I would go to. Maybe others have a different opinion.

Anonymous

Natty, I agree.  And imo, there is a limit to how far the masses can be allowed to grow w/o surgery or intervention of something beyond what she was doing.  Scary to go that far. 

ETA - Grace - thank you for the sandalwood info, I am going to order some.  I ordered my oils from Aroma Pure and Mountain Rose Herbs.  I also use Young Living, the RC oil esp.   Do you use a carrier oil? Aroma Pure has 10% sandalwood in jojoba oil too, is that a good combination? Ornot so diluted?  Thanks.

LOVEEssa

purple32

RE:  TV SHOW

on  9   23 2012  SUN

Did anyone see this ?

I saw something and the close captioned said that BC is at least 4 diseases. ....I was out in public and there was no volume  on.

Any news?
THX

exbrnxgrl

Re: Loraine Day , Not diagnosed with the episode of cancer she claims to have cured? Hmm, no diagnosis or self diagnosis really does detract from ones credibility.

Caryn

1Athena1

Purple, this is the original news story re: four genetic classes of bc - it appeared in the NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/24/health/study-finds-variations-of-breast-cancer.html?hp

Not sure I share the elation of the researchers until we find a cure.....

purple32

NEWS!!!

Ok, I am answering my own question  RE:  BC news of     9 .  23. 2012.

It seems there has been a bit of a breakthrough.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11412.html

Among other things, one of the things determined was that *certain* types of BC are similar to ovarian cancer and may respond favorably to similar tx.

Soooooooooo, who knows how ovarian cancer is treated ?

graced

Essa, some oils need to be diluted esp the "hot" ones like oregano.  Some can be used directly on the skin without diluting - often referred to as NEAT.  Lavender and tea tree oil are NEAT.  It's not an acronym - just means no need to dilute.  So for the oils that need a carrier oil, I do use one. Currently have organic almond oil and some vitamin E oil.  Jojoba is also good as well as olive and sesame.

Sandalwood is also good for the skin so I imagine that the Aroma Pure with the 10% sandalwood is being marketed towards skin care.  For cancer, I would think you need 100% sandalwood to get the benefit.  Just did a search and found a link to this presentation from YL.  The chart on page 11 shows sandalwood as the most effective against breast cancer with myrtle listed as second.  One of the studies was done at Brigham Young University but I don't think that's the only study.

http://www.young-living.net/Presentations/StevensEssentialOilsInCancer.pdf 

purple32

Thanks Athena

I dont believe there will be  a "CURE" in my lifetime. 

 Well, there may be , but I do think by the time red tape and FDA and yadyadyadyad approves it,  I'll be had ... SO I am happy to hear anything new which may give me clues in how to treat MYSELF ...FDA approved or NOT, and  I am thrilled to share it on this forum'

Thanks very much!

graced

Does anyone use a point-of-entry whole house water filtration system that they are happy (or unhappy) with?  I have been researching this and there are several types out there so still undecided about which way to go.  NJ is 49th out of 50th of states that add flouride to their water supply so happily, I don't have to deal with flouride filtration.  Main concern is chlorine and then if it takes out some other sediment that's great too.  I just have to stop showering and brushing my teeth and washing my organic fruits and vegetables in chlorinated water.  ASAP.

kayfh

LOVEEssa thank you for the time and energy you put into responding to my question, and you too Nattygroves.

NattyOnFrostyLake

Thank you all who have contributed to our learning.

I'm another one who has to get a new water system. I didn't research enough when I bought my last system--I just relied on a neighbor's estimation of his system.

I found this website but maybe some have more advanced knowledge on how to rate the water systems. http://www.cyber-nook.com/water/Solutions.html#treatment

I have a friend who has had a distiller for the last 20 years but that's only for drinking. Apparently, showers can still get fluoride and chlorine into the body.

graced

Natty, thanks for the link.  Yes when you shower, not only does your skin absorb the water, but the chlorine vapors are in the air (unless it's an ice cold shower) and you also breath them in.  I've read that over half our daily chlorine exposure comes from showering.  I'm currently looking at Aquasna, Pelican Water, AquaPure, PuriTec and Home Master.  Then there's UV filtration as an option too.  Too many choices and most of the info coming from the manufacturers.  There's a few sites you can check that I looked at but none are totally comprehensive.

www.waterfiltercomparisons.com

www.comparehomewaterfilter.com  also comparehomewaterfilters.com which appears to have the same info. not sure why the addresses don't point to the same site.

www.thenaturalguide.com - though their recommendation is for a point-of-use product that focuses on flouride and sediment

www.allwaterpurifcation.com

purple32

Just watched a vid from " REAL AGE". Claims 3 servings of carrot sticks per week lowers BC risk by 43%!

Aaaah, cant hurt!

Tillycat

Sorry for not posting much at the moment. I am trapped in hospital with a pulmonary embolism. (on oxygen and blood thinners) Apparently it's a relatively common SE of chemo. Yet another reason for thinking very seriously before having chemo I suppose 😔

Tillyxx

Moderators

Tillycat, we're sorry you're trapped in hospital (*shudder* remembering hospital stays before computer access). Hope you're back to your unhospitalized self soon!

1Athena1

((((Tillycat))))

steelrose

Tillycat! Relax and let them take care of you... then bust out asap!



Sending love,



Rose.

dogsandjogs

So sorry Tillycat!  Hope you will be "sprung" soon---