Alternative Treatment

abigail48

I've been wondering about progesterone & bee propolis;  are they related?  I have lib balm with propolis & have been reluctant to use it

Anonymous

Abigail, all bee products are wonderful, use them before the bees disappear because of chemical spraying 

The Jаpаnese аre bіg consumers of propolіs: Jаpаn іs іndeed the world's lаrgest consumer of propolіs. It іmports not less thаn 500 tons of propolіs eаch yeаr. Among these 500 tonnes, hаlf іs used іn supplement of the chemotherаpy treаtment on cаncer pаtіents. 

PM-3, a benzo-gamma-pyran derivative isolated from propolis, inhibits growth of MCF-7 human breast cancer cells.

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/11497245/reload=0;jsessionid=x3VDAVfesNQiSLKHNHxL.1341As

As their research progresses, scientific researchers seem to discover an ever larger power to Artepillin C. It could be that, taken at an early stage, this molecule might be the remedy for cancer: More than 70% of cancers are PAK1 dependant and Artepillin C appears to be a very efficacious blocking agent of PAK1.

Green propolis of Brazil, very rich in Artepillin C, is therefore expected to be a natural remedy against cancer. As it is PAK1 blocking and easily absorbed by the organism, it seems active when taken orally and might even present an inhibitory effect vis a vis certain cancers, if taken daily.

http://weeksmd.com/2009/11/propolis-and-cancer/

Dim V, Ivanovska N, Bankova V, and Popov S. Immunomodulatory action of propolis: IV. Prophylactic activity against gram-negative infections and adjuvant effect of the water-soluble derivative. Vaccine, 10 (12): 817-823, 1992.

Sudina GF, Mirzoeva OK, Pushkareva MA, Korshunova GA, Sumbatyan NV, and Varfolomeev SD. Caffeic acid phenethyl ester as a lipoxygenase inhibitor with antioxidant properties. FEBS Lett., 329: 1-2, 21-24, 1993.

Strehl E, Volpert R, and Elstner EF. Biochemical activities of propolis -extracts. III. Inhibition of dihydrofolate reductase. Z Naturfosch [C], 49: 1-2, 39 -43, 1994.

Rao CV, Desai D, Kaul B, Amin S, and Reddy BS. Effect of caffeic acid esters on carcinogen-induced mutagenicity and human colon adenocarcinoma cell growth. Chem. Biol. Interact., 84 (3): 277-90, 1992.

Rao CV, Desai D, Rivenson A, Simi B, Amin S, and Reddy BS. Chemoprevention of colon carcinogenesis by phenylethyl-3-methylcaffeate. Cancer Res., 55 (11): 2310-2315, 1995.

Guarini L, Su ZZ, Zucker S, Lin J, Grunberger D, and Fisher PB. Growth inhibition and modulation of antigenic phenotype in human melanoma and glioblastoma multiform cells by caffecic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE). Cell Mol. Biol., 38 (5): 513-527, 1992.

Su ZZ, Lin J, Prewett M, Goldstein NI, and Fisher PB. Apoptosis the selective toxicity of caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE) toward oncogene -transformed rat embryo fibroblast cells. Anticancer Res., 15 (5B): 1841-1848, 1995.

Chiao C, Carothers AM, Grunberger D, Solomon G, Preston GA, and Barrett JC. Apoptosis and altered redox state induced by caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE) in transformed rat fibroblast cells. Cancer Res., 55 (16): 3576-3583, 1995.

Chopra S, Pillai KK, Husain SZ, and Giri DK. Propolis protects against doxorubicin-induced myocardiopathy in rats. Exp. Mol. Pathol., 62 (3): 190-198, 1995.

12345678

Just curious -- I'm sitting on the fence, too, about chemo vs. no chemo..



Can any of you speak to succes using the No Chemo route either from experience, or through ones you know???



I'm desperate to know which is the best route for me to take!!!

abigail48

you wouldn't want to take royall jelly for sure.  i did actually a few times in my life.  broke the tablets into several bits, still i knoe estrogen the phsychological affects very well because of it,

luv_gardening

It was disappointing to read that the Australian product may not be what it claims to be.  Just as startling was this paragraph from the veterinarian oncology letter.

Between 1990 and 2005, there were 920 putative anticancer compounds that underwent clinical trials in humans (so these are drugs that passed beyond in vitro (cell culture) and in vivo (mice) scrutiny and into human subjects) in the USA. Of these, only 32 were found to be effective. Many progressed as far as late-stage clinical testing in humans before being found to be ineffective. We think this is important to remember when we are considering whether to recommend relatively untested "cures" such as EBC-46 and others that regularly arise. The likelihood of finding true benefit is probably no greater than it is for more traditional drugs: any given new drug would have at best a 3.5% chance of actually benefiting patients.
http://www.vetoncologyconsults.com/VOC%208.pdf

920 in 15 years is an average of 61 anti-cancer compounds being trialed per year with an average of 2 per year found to be effective.  That's an indication of how much it costs to get any product to market as someone has to cover the cost of the failed drugs too.  If only there was a quick and easy way to trial new products so we could look into every lead and leave no stones unturned in the race to find better treatments or a cure. I'll never give up hoping something will be found, preferably natural and harmless, that can bring us all back to good health.

Anonymous

Abigail, you're right !  I could never afford royal jelly anyways.... found this:

Herbs and foods with estrogenic activities:

Anise, hops, fennel, black cohosh, milk thistle, clover, red clover, Don Quai, licorice, ginseng, royal jelly, peony, nettle, sage, fenugreek, evening primrose oil, burdock, chamomiles, rhubarb

French bean, date palm, dates, garlic, pomegranate, apple, soyabean, chick pea, cherry, alfalfa, soya sprouts, cow pea, green beans, red beans, split peas, flaxseed, raspberry, carrot and squash (both have beta carotene)

Re debate about whether phytoestrogens are beneficial or not, I choose to believe this doctor:

"In Townsend Letters for Doctors and Patients (January, 1997 issue), Ray Peat, a renowned biologist in the U.S., stated that "the concept of a protective estrogen is very similar to the idea of protective mutagens or protective carcinogens".

He mentioned that "Alexander Lipshuts demonstrated that a continuous, weak estrogenic stimulus was immensely effective in producing first fibromas, then cancer, in one organ after another, and the effect was not limited to the reproductive system". For example, the brain and liver, which also have estrogen receptors, may grow tumours too."

http://www.sensiblehealth.com/Journey-04.xhtml 

luv_gardening

Kathy, it's impossible to know when someone survives after using chemo if they are just part of a percentage who would have survived anyway.  Similarly, just because a woman uses natural remedies doesn't mean her survival has anything to do with the substances.  Only large scale studies can show a pattern and then it would need to be duplicated.

When someone progresses it's also impossible to know if that would have happened anyway, if the treatments were in some way to blame, or if the mets were already growing or hibernating in stem cells in the bone marrow.  

If several people with mets took the same substance and they all apparently recovered, and it was all verifiable then that would be more than coincidence, but most testimonials are far too vague and can't be proven.  That's what is so frustrating.  So the bottom line is, nothing shows that much promise yet.  But maybe one day...

Anonymous

Kathy, you will unlikely find an answer to your question here.  It appears that most alternative minded women leave this site one after another because of the conventional women chasing them away.  If I were you, I would google alternative medicine and cancer and you will find tons of sites, the kind you are looking for.  I have found invaluable information that way.  

Anonymous

Worth repeating: 

Geeze, I wonder how humanity survived for thousands and thousands of years and managed to pass on its genes and bring the world population to 7.004 billion without the intervention of BigPharm and clinical trials ??????

TRADITIONAL MEDICINE

Asian

Traditional Chinese
Japanese Kampo
Traditional Korean
Traditional Mongolian
Traditional Tibetan

- South & Southeast Asian

Ayurveda
Traditional Sri Lankan
Jamu
Siddha
Traditional Thai
Unani

- Mediterranean & Eastern

Byzantine
Ancient Egyptian
Ancient Greek
Medieval Islamic

Ancient Iranian

Ancient Roman

- African

Inyanga
Muti
Nganga
Sangoma
Yoruba
Iboga

- Americas

Native
Ayahuasca
Aztec
Traditional Brazilian
Maya

- Australasia & Oceania
Bush medicine

12345678

Thanks, Ladies! I have, indeed, Googled the Alternative Treatment sites and find many of them compelling.



What I am looking for, and cannot seem to find, are reliable stats of L-T survival either way; and, perhaps, mostly, hearing from actual survivors either way.



It seems, if you want to know how many BC patients died from complications from chemo, you cannot find it. And, of course, they are not here to tell about it.



The other complexity seems to be how many taking chemo, just regress eventually anyway.



I can't seem to find any good comparisons.



As for me personally, I keep hearing that 12/12 nodes positive makes taking chemo a "no brainer" for me. But does it? Aren't there Stage IV's that are still living long lives?



I just wanted to know how many women in this thread are surviving better w/out chemo.

abigail48

ooh, but always good to read that list:  I use still some of that stuff.  I read that yams arn't estrogenic.  I hoe not, everything on that list is caloric, stuff I need as I don't use (much) animal fat.

& joy, when they say oh you got heart trouble because you.......drank.......smaoked, well they have no way of knowing that either.  in fact outside of heaven I guess, it's impossible to know specific causes, & they're always multiple I should thin, for anything

abigail48

just googled dates.  I'm nearly out of organic maple sirup for sweeteners, I use dates a lot.  they are estrogenic, I guess, the date place doesn't mention that, but also very very alkaline.

Anonymous

Abigail, I don't stop myself from eating the food, it's the estrogens in the supplements I avoid - apples, garlic, dates, etc. there's no way I'm stopping eating them.  Anyways, I'm sure Mother Nature in her godly wisdom included other yet undiscovered compounds to balance everything out in these wonderful foods. Enjoy 

Kathy, I'm sure the stats re death from conventional treatment you are looking for exist but I suspect filed away TOP SECRET 

abigail48

yeah esp apples garlic..........

abigail48

this site is very well put together, however, & that counts for a lot with someone like me who is fairly new to computer tech.

read the bee propolis lip balm again & it has soy oil.  not good

12345678

Maud - I'm sure you are right about the bad results of conventional treatments being "top secret".

And, you also seem to be right that this thread is more for those sharing alternative treatments than for me trying to find the stats I'm looking for regarding alternative successes.

JoyLiesWithin - Thank you for your input.  It is all helpful. 

It was a pleasure reading from all of you and I wish each of you the best of luck in your journeys! 

God help us all! 

Kaara

Kathy:  Regarding chemo vs no chemo, a lot depends on the aggressiveness of your bc and your age.  Did you have an ocnotype test done to determine if your type of bc would even respond to chemo?  You should begin with that and then decide.  If you are under 50 bc tends to be a little more aggressive but if you are over 60, not so much, so you have better options.  You must be your own advocate and as Maud said, do a lot of research on your own.

I didn't do chemo or radiation, but I am 71 years old and had a very early stage and grade of bc.  I would not recommend that anyone follow my lead.  It's what I felt was right for my body.  I am taking tamoxifen. 

luv_gardening

I've read tons of study results and the information on numbers of deaths from chemo is plain to see.  It's not hidden.  If 70% survive after 10 years than the remaining 30% didn't survive.  Trying to decide if someone died from cancer, treatment or other illnesses is often difficult, so comparing overall survival for both arms of a study becomes critical.  The only reason they use 5 year survival in early studies is so the new treatment can go ahead without waiting another 5 years for the 10 year survival rate, which will be published anyway when the follow up takes place.  I've even seen 15 year follow ups which are important to establish whether patients have higher rates of heart disease, stroke or other causes of death.

These important follow ups don't happen with most traditional medicines and certainly not with many of the alternatives being promoted on the alt websites.  I wish they could all be properly studied as there may be useful treatments being ignored.  I'm aware of studies for TCM and will look for the most useful links.  One herb in particular, a flower, is being followed up.

Unfortunately cancer often strikes after people have had their children so it doesn't affect  population growth.  I'm sure many traditional remedies are useful on many levels, but people in all those countries still died of many diseases and now can't even save themselves from many scourges such as diarrhea and malaria which kill far too many, especially babies and children.

luv_gardening

Kathy, yours is a very difficult question.  You had lobular, the same as me. It's a slow growing type but tends to come back after 10 to 20 years if it progresses.  IIIc and 12/12 nodes means it had time to send out it's troops (cancer stem cells) into the blood stream.  That means there is a much higher likelihood that it will return and maybe sooner than 10 years.  However, I know so many women will recur after chemo anyway so that means chemo didn't help them, yet the statistics say there is less chance of having a recurrence after chemo than with no chemo.  The deciding factors may be your age, general health, fitness and so on, together with the likelihood that it's already set up home somewhere. I can't advise you on what to do as it's impossible to know, so most women go ahead on the off-chance that it may just save their life.  At least they would feel they had tried. What bugged me most when I had to make the decision was the people who implied that not having chemo was suicide and having it would save me.  No, no, no.  Black and white thinking is not helpful as there are too many examples that break the rule.

For me, I have a history of very strong intuition that I often ignore only to find out I should have gone with my instincts.  Intuition isn't something we can call up at will and sometimes fear disguises itself as intuition, but for me the strong feeling not to go ahead with chemo was overwhelming.  I wouldn't recommend anyone take my lead as others have said, we're all different.

There's a great thread on the Stage III forum of women who have not had progression despite massive tumours and many nodes.  It's worth reading every now and then to provide hope and encouragement.

12345678

Kaara - I thought I was going to jump off this thread, but since you were so kind to respond to my situation, I would like to answer your questions.

The aggressiveness of my BC is very slow. I had a Ki67 score of less than 1%. I also was fortunate to have the OncotypeDX test done prior to anyone knowing I had the multiple nodes and I got back a low-intermediate score of 21. At that time, even my SO agreed I could go w/out chemo.

After several scans including a CT Scan and a breast MRI, no nodes showed up; even during a SNB with the blue dye other than the first two SN's.  It was only AFTER the UMX that he just happened to remove an add'l 10 nodes that the pathologist noted ALL tested positive for cancer; and ALL were classifed as MACROS!!

That changed the picture and the SO referred me to an MO who wants me to step up immediately to ACT, which I think is kind of harsh given the slow growth.  I would prefer to start off on CMF's, else I have nowhere else to go if it gets worse. His idea is to blast it out now to prevent me from going into Stage IV. I, on the other hand, suspect I will be one of the statistics that doesn't make it through due to my unbelievably sensitive nature, which is why I wonder if I shouldn't just stay on the AI and keep my fingers crossed, using the best supplements I can afford.  

To add to the pic, I've read articles based on trials that say A and T don't even work on ER+ BC, so I have asked my MO about this. He is sending me to a top 1% research MO for a second opinion. I don't want to experiment with these drugs.  I even read here that a woman took Taxol with terrible side effects that had absolutely no effect on her cancer and she ended up with permanent painful neuropathy.  She wished her MO had told her about the trials that showed the Taxol wouldn't work on her before she tried it.

I also worry about the chemo eating away at the lining of the intestines that causes a real malabsorption problem allowing some patients to starve to death in spite of what they consume.  I understand this was the case with Steve Jobs and Tammy Faye Bakker who basically died from malnutrition following chemo regimes that just stopped working for them.

Most naturopaths will tell you it is much, much harder to treat people after that kind of irreversible damage.  

Kaara

Kathy:  You have a challenging decision to make and I can understand your frustration with those who insist that chemo is the only route to take.  I wasn't a candidate for chemo but rads were recommended and I was told that I was taking a huge risk without them, yet, if I did them and the bc returned, my only option was an mx.  In the end I had to trust my "instincts" as Joy above indicated and forego the rads in favor of diet and supplementation and very careful follow up care.  I just had my first thermography after three months post surgery and will have a mammo in May followed by another thermography three months after that.  I will continue this follow up for the full five years if recommended to insure that there is no recurrence.  It's costing me a lot of money out of pocket to pay for treatments that insurance won't cover, but to me it's worth it not to damage my body permanently and maintain my quality of life.

With the macro node involvement, I just don't know how to advise you.  I was bound and determined from the first minute I was dx that I wasn't doing chemo, but remember, I am 71 years old.  All that said, if my bc had been the more aggressive type, or if my oncotype score had been high, I don't know that I would have held my ground on that decision.

I think it is wise that you are getting this second opinion from a top MO.  Hopefully he/she will be able to give you information and statistics that will help you in making a good decision about your treatment.

Sending you prayers and positive energy! 

Anonymous

Kathy - imho, you are doing exactly what you need to be doing at this time READING and getting truth out of everything you touch.  That is the way to advocate for yourself.  For somee reason, I did not get the connections I needed in the med field and did not find bc.org, so winged it in my naive way.  Today, I am doing well, though am admittedly a 'cancer-phone' as I feel like cancer cells are crawling all through me, but I am proactive in dealing with any that are there.   The chemo, I have skipped but not saying never.  It's just that I will use IPT-chemo therapy if I need it.  The rads, no for me as the bc was right behind nipple so I could not tolerate rads, but I chose no for now on that too.  I want to be strong, get my health back.  I believe people live strong and hard even with cancer if they are  dealing with health and not being dealt a death blow from poison, so I never say never but for me not now.   Sometimes when God answers us it is yes or no or NOT NOW, LOL and that is me for me, not now.

LADIES - Went for the IV Thursday again.  Remember last week, had the ultraviolet light bood treatment - UVB - for 1st time (week before the Vit C for 1st time)  Weeeellllll, after 1st UVB I got exposed to the sun and also had been taking iodine, so I had a photosensitive ATTACK and since I have been photosensitive since a 'lupus' challenge 20 yrs ago, this ATTACK OF THE SUN was quite remarkable.  Though not as exciting as my last allergic reaction to fish when I had welts on and IN my entire body that itched like no one's business.  Not that bad, but exciting and very lumpy.  So did not want to do the 2nd UVB, wanted the h2o2, but when tested kinesiology for which, the h2o2 was a definite no this time and UVB and YES, so we did it.  I did fine, no lumps, no itching, no die off.  Been drinking more water this time too, even in night.  Happy w the UVB.

luv_gardening

Scutellaria barbatae  (SB)

http://healingpastures.com/2010/08/02/cancer-fighting-mint-plant/ 

This is a long article with a photo of the flower

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Revisiting Scutellaria: A little known genus of great medicinal potential

We analyzed the leaf, stem and root extracts obtained from thirteen different species of Scutellaria for their flavonoid content as well as for their mechanism of anti-cancer activity using glioma, breast carcinoma and prostate carcinoma cell lines in vitro. Among the leaf, stem and root extracts examined, the leaf extracts of two Himalayan species S. angulosa, and S. scandens showed consistent, dose-dependent anti-proliferative and pro-apoptotic activities against various malignant cell lines, as analyzed by MTT dye conversion and annexin-V binding (flow cytometric) assays, respectively.

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Oldenlandia diffusa and Scutellaria barbata augment macrophage oxidative burst and inhibit tumor growth.

Oral feeding with either OD or SB significantly inhibited the growth of renal cell carcinoma in mice. The data of this study show that OD and SB are capable of enhancing macrophage function in vitro and inhibiting tumor growth in vivo.

For those new to BC, in vitro means tested in the lab, or test tube, and in vivo is tested on animals, usually rodents.

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Herb Could Work Against Advanced Breast Cancer

A phase 2 trial of bezielle for metastatic breast cancer will be conducted at 16 clinical centers throughout the United States under the direction of Banu Arun, MD, at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, and Alejandra Perez, MD, at the Memorial Cancer Institute in Hollywood, Fl. 

This is a very readable article dated March 2011

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I have heaps of links and studies about SB and other herbs I've copied from Chinese and Japanese medicine and I'm working my way "around the world".  Most of these herbs have undergone some preliminary testing to see if they are worth following up. 

One of the problems with SB is that there is an almost identical herb that is often substituted for SB that has no anti-cancer action. It requires a knowledgeable botanist with a strong microscope to separate the two plants. One research facility in the USA has set up a plot growing SB so that they can be sure they are working with the genuine plant. I've been searching for the link for that but can't find it so I hope my memory is correct.

dunesleeper

DianeEssa I am glad you are happy with the UVB. Did you also have IV Vitamin C? I don't know if they do that in the US. If they do, I would be interested in that.

Everybody: I am reading a really great book I picked up at my naturo doc's pharmacy. It is called Cancer: Step Outside the Box, and it is by Ty Bollinger. It talks about alternative therapies that work, the history of the conventional cancer industry, the way the FDA, AMA, ACS, and ICR (? something like Institute for Cancer Research), but anyway, how they bully, persecute, prosecute, and even KILL those who get a lot of people successfully using their natural treatments for cancer. I really recommend this book highly.

luv_gardening

Here it is, confirmation in at least one study that women who did not use complementary and alternative medicine were more likely to get cancer. They were also looking at other health habits.  If it can be duplicated in studies that aren't tied to comp and alt health, that would be better.

Large Study of Female Cancer Survivors Highlights Poor Health Behaviors Click here to find out more!

The study was led by clinical psychologist Sarah M. Rausch, PhD, director of integrative medicine at Moffit, and reported in the February (2012) issue of the American Journal of Clinical Oncology. 

Investigators administered health questionnaires to 19,948 women presenting for screening mammography. A detailed history of health behaviors was available for 18,510 women, and of this group 2,713 (14.7%) had a previous cancer history.

Dr. Rausch and colleagues reported a number of important and statistically significant results: compared with women who did not have a cancer history, cancer survivors were less likely to rate their overall health as "excellent" (13.6% vs 21.5%), to exercise moderately or strenuously (56.5% vs 63.3%), and to use complementary and alternative medicine (57.4% vs 60.2%).

Cancer survivors were more likely to be current smokers (6.3% vs. 5.5%), rate their overall health as "poor" (15.8% vs. 9.1%), and report more weight gain over time. Cervical cancer survivors (n = 370) in particular were most likely to be current smokers (15.7%) and regular alcohol(Drug information on alcohol) users (71.7%), compared with other survivors. They also reported the largest weight gain (4.9 lbs at 5 years and 13.4 lbs at 10 years). Survivors of ovarian cancer (n = 185) and uterine cancer (n = 262) most frequently reported being obese (41% and 34.4%, respectively).

Anonymous

Maud - read that article and wondering how well the homeopathic remedy would be for those who need it, to help their being and system become stronger, more whole.  I would say the flower essence for crocus would work for something, it being but the essence, it could not poison but the essences are - traditionally - never made from anything that is toxic, they left that to homeopathy.  BUT the New Zealand essences has it and the info is :::::

Autumn Crocus
A catalyst. Helps to integrate wisdom and loving intent with the knowing that you co-create your own reality. Enhances ability to transition through change while staying aligned to soul purpose. (My note: Sankaran said the miasm of cancer is about perfectionism, control, fear of losing control, therefor the transition is quite welcome.  I am using an Alaskan essence of late for transition to a new life, both physical and spiritual, which is a real blessing of support for me.  I love flower essences.)

Here is some homeopathy info from my Meteria Medica for autumn crocus::::

Colchicum Autumnale affects markedly Muscles, FIBROUS TISSUE, SEROUS MEMBRANES, joints, esp small joints.  Mind : (this part sounds like us from awhile back) Can read but cannot understand a short sentence, memory weak. LOL - like, my note, cannot find way out of a store or home.      --- Depressed, irritable, sensitive.  Anyway, Too much to list.  I was seeking breast info, emotional info for healing too, but for some it could be key.   Sooooooo pretty................. and so deadly.  If someone were going through hell with chemo, this homeopathic remedy would be a godsend, imho, as it is right up there with arsenicum album.  

Here's the info from med center:::: ssee the dates 2005 / 2006they were on to this for cancer cells.  http://pharmacology.georgetown.edu/urbanherbs/autumn_crocus.htm

 Yesterday the tech for IV said Vit C also does angiogenesis, but the results are not there in anyone's work to suit me, my life depends on this.  I still think Vit C is good to have too, but I want more.  

The good news is Paw Paw.  The studies were done, the man who researched it left Purdue U and works now to develop this, it does the same angiogenesis, starving the cancer tumors by stopping the blood supply.  I have two bottles, almost done w first but took me a long time to commit because there are so many contraindications for paw paw, which is made of the twigs harvested at a certain time.  Of course, no one can say it will do anything at all for cancer or else.  But it is there.  I plan to get off some of the things that counteract with my paw pawand take it for a good 6 weeks as strong as I can manage.

dunesleeper

Oh yeah, also . . . I got my drains out, so I am free!!!  I meet with the medical oncologist next week, Wednesday I think. I'll hear what he/she has to say, but I feel nothing but disgust for their cancer industry. I am going non-toxic and natural, and I feel good about it. I believe the cancer will leave my body because I will not feed it. I will not provide the environment it likes. And I am building my immune system with supplements which I make into a daily smoothie (plus a number of others that I take in pill form). I am still lagging in the exercise area, and I must change that. If, for some reason, cancer returns, I will still have all my chemotherapy options and I will be generally more healthy overall. Most of all, I will have had years of eating right and living a better life than if I had never gotten the cancer.

dunesleeper

Interesting study Joy.

and DianeEssa, I could sure use that homeopathic remedy for a weak memory!!!! But maybe my healthier diet and supplements . . . and EXERCISE will help that. 

Anonymous

JoyLiesWithin, read all you just posted at links.  Amazing, isn't it, that there are so many possibilities and nothing pinned down.  I would be game for a fair trial on some of these, stage II aggressive bc, but only for a month or so to see if it is working, if so I get to continue, but no placebo, there is no time to waste playing w my life, but the trials are not that way and so we wait infinitely wait.

The cancer stats, which you just posted and I do appreciate reading.... but I have to say that they are off, to me, that when we read the boards here we see all the women and men who are slender, do not smoke and do exercise and try to be healthy.   And there are fat women and men who are healthy and exercise and eat well.  They could do a study of all of us, right in one place and see the real stats, or at least closer to the truth of it, if that is more important.  Wish they would get the priority straight, as I think the cure is more important than these studies they do in trying to pinpoint who is not doing what they should be doing so they got the cancer consequence, which is my take on the studies.  And the are quite costly, money better spent on the cure(s) like these simple flowers and herbs.

Anonymous

Dunesleeper, before I knew I had  cancer, I had no memory, was scary stuff.  Very sick lady here.  Nothing for memory worked, but when I knew I had  cancer, I started supplements and treatments for  cancer, like the RIFE and soon I had memory back.  Go figure. 

Yes, they do Vit C IVs in  US.  Also the UVB and h2o2.  So much more.  I am looking into where can I get this done and ins pays for something, lots of luck on this journey.  Will be going for acupuncture soon, I need it to help w thyroid, am taking iodine, synthroid, thyrotain and a synergistic homeopathic dose 2x a day for thyroid too, and lymph combination, but perhaps the acupuncture will help.

I believe thyroid, Vitamin d3 and breast cancer are tightly linked, but that is of course my experience and my humble or not so humble opinion.  For me, it is a key to my health, getting a handle on these w alternatives.