INSOMNIACS place to talk in the wee hours

Lookforward

Lori how disappointing, I would be bummed too.

Shep I could only get him to eat the pumpkin when it was hidden under chicken breast. It sometimes works when I pretend to eat it, but he didn't fall for that either. How much should a 25 lb dog be fed? I make his dog food- lean meat, rice and a vegetable.

Anonymous

Wenchie ~ So sorry for your delay. You've gotten all your prepping done; hoping you can relax and enjoy summer 'til it's time to go in.

Lookie ~ How about skinless chicken and rice? No veggies. That would be nice and bland for his tummy. Is he drinking enough water and pooping/peeing okay? Any more vomiting? Pumpkin slightly warmed up is more attractive sometimes. One big tablespoon 2x daily would be good. You could mix it in with the chicken and rice maybe. I have always been a free feeder, not a measurer. If weight looks good and the critters seem healthy I don't worry. It is harder with our older doggies to judge sometimes. They never complain if they are feeling bad

Smaarty

sorry to hear wench, now you have extra time to sunbath and relax, run around like crazy or think of something else that should have been done but you ran out of time. You said you sew, so go whip up something fast

feelingfeline

sorry to hear Wench, hope the time goes speedily for you.

Loveroflife

Hi there TANGetty! Have not seen you on here for awhile. Are you still flying around the world in THE private jet?

Susan must be having a sweet time taking care of Elena.

Lori, what a disappointment!!! So sorry for the delay again. What is going on with the surgery team?? Not nice to put you through this.

Ms. Wren, hope your niece is recovering.

Thinking about you JunieB.

ShepK, I am watching you.

Anonymous

OMD...... How am I going to back to sleep? That thing is scaaaaary!

Loveroflife

We got home a few hours ago from Southern California. I drove the last six hours after DH got us out of LA traffic. Eight hours plus drive total . More than half of the trip was with miles and miles of flat dry land I'm so grateful I don't have to drive for a living. Don't know how those truckers do it. The kids had so much fun spending time with their cousins. Their favorite activity was boogie boarding . I much prefer the beaches in Hawaii or Southeast Asia- the water is nice and warm. Glad to be home. Nothing like sleeping in your own bed.

ShepK, your DH and mine probably graduated from the same driving school. I often have to remind him that when he is behind the wheel,he doesn't need to turn his head 45 degrees to the right to look at me when we talk.

Loveroflife

ShepK, either you are up early or really late for bed.Oh gosh, it's 2:00 am. Way pass my bedtime. Nite nite

WenchLori

Smaarty, I think your right! I will pick up a few things to create and get in some extra swimming and fishing 👍

Loverly, I was just told something came up and my BS can't do surgeries for the next 2 weeks. That would have put me in at the following week of 6/22 and of course my PS is booked solid so we're going off his schedule. BOO!

A BS from the same office called me to go over my path report and to assure me that everything will be okay. To put it off for a few weeks is safe and that the IDC wouldn't spread any further. I'm holding him to it!

This really screws up with my summer as my kids and their families were coming to visit 3 weeks after my surgery. Now I'll have surgery 2 days before they get here. My DS is thinking of delaying his visit until 7/14. My DD may keep their visit as is so she can help me out a little. She has 2 little ones and one on the way, with her dr appts, if they postpone they can't get here until 7/28. I'm leaving it up to them as to what they want to do. My DIL mentioned with my blood pressure doing its thing after surgery I could be in the hospital the whole time they are here, and she's right.

Loveroflife

Happy Friday!!!

Loveroflife

Lori, BOO indeed. Life never seems to go the way I plan also. What can you do?? Many things are out of our control....if only I remember that when I have the urge to control things. OKAY. I need to be in control for a little bit. I am going outside to water my plants (shhhh don't tell the water police) because we are still in a drought. Then, I am going to clean the house and hopefully will find something to give away before DH (pack rat)comes home.

susan3

yes they got moved. But of course there is a story. Hate to be boring..right. During the drive from michiganto Wisconsin, got a call from hubby work...he blacked out, and hit a few things on his way to the floor. Timing is everything, the call came in when I was passing an exit near our house, half hour from hospital they took him to. 12 staples in his head and a very bad concussion . He went back to work today, but still having tests and seeing docs. His internal med doc, was in a bad car accident years ago, major head trauma...so it's good to have him in our corner. Nothing better than personal experience. He seems good now. Takes awhile to stand after laying down. Those rocks are not aligned right now.

And Sunday is they family get together/ shower for Claire Andrew and Elena....about 50 people here. Can't wait till Monday

Having lots of fun with Elena. Seen her 3 times in one week! Yeah me

Next week is chemo week. So I won't come up for air for awhile.

Wishing great success for all going into surgery . Prayers and hugs your way.

Jazzygirl

Really behind here ladies. So just saying hi and hoping everyone having treatments, surgeries and the like is holding their own. Sending you all big hugs.

Susan- that baby is so sweet. Sorry to hear about DH's black out and injury. I hope they can find out why he blacked out? Speedy recovery. Enjoy having baby Elena closer by to you. Yay you!

Anonymous

Loverly ~ Happy Friday Orangs ALMOST make up for that THING you scared me with in the wee hours. I was all nice n' snug in bed, trying to fall back asleep by peeking into my "happy place"..... almost had to change my jammies and sheets... yikes!

I need to stick with Warm & Fuzzies at bedtime!

JunieB ~ Thinking of you today 💟

Wenchie ~ Hope all falls into place for the timing of your kids visiting. Wonderful you have so much support! The "worries" suck. You are so new to all this still. A few weeks do feel like an eternity; soon you'll be on the other side of the waiting and hopefully the worries will scurry away. ((hugs)) Your humor and positive attitude are amazing. Glad you have become one of our "crew". 😁 The best way to distact yourself would be to help me scare Loverly back!

Smaarty

Susan, of course we need a good story but sorry for your DH. Hope he's getting better. Elena is a sweetie. Does she look like you? Out of 6 Gkids, one favors me, one has my green eyes.

Everybody enjoy the weekend

Anonymous

Susan ~ I can't imagine how scary that must have been. Sending healing thoughts and prayers for DH. Glad the big move is over and you have family time to look forward to. Elena is a doll - cute headband!

JunieB

Hello Ladies,

Hip surgery was yesterday. All went well. Surgery was scheduled for 3 p.m., but was delayed until nearly 7 p.m. Apparently there was a backup in cases.

Doctor had to cut out a lot of scar tissue, so I am having a lot of pain. Did have a Fentanyl PCA, for the first 20 hours, but now have been weaned to oxychodone & tylenol. Had significant nausea after surgery, so was given Reglan for that. I'd rather deal with pain than nausea I think.

Sas - I made sure to tell every person (doctor, anesthesiologist, nurses and any assistants) please be careful with my spine when moving me. My spine feels good, so I'm happy.

This hospital has added internet access for patient's in their rooms via the television. So cool! Wasn't like this 2 years ago when I was here.

Wenchie - Sorry to see your surgery was postponed.

Loverly - Glad you & DH made it home safely.

Hello to everyone else.

Will probably be discharged to the SNF on Monday. Doctor was going to discharge me on Sunday, but I told him my ride wouldn't be available until Monday. He said we'd talk about it later, but he's a reasonable man and think he'll work with me.

Besides Medicare won't pay for transport to the SNF, so my friend who is a nurse here is the only option.

Lookforward

Loverly glad you enjoyed your holiday and that you made it home safe and sound. I'll gladly send you some rain. We have had so much that some of my plants in pots were waterlogged and died.

Susan scary about your husband, concussions can be quite serious. Elena is a sweetheart, glad to see the move is over, you been very busy the last while. Time to put your feet up.

Junie nice to see your post, too bad about the nausea, hopefully it will be gone tomorrow. Keeping you in my thoughts and hope you have speedy painless recovery.

Wren44

Susan, What a scare! DH did something similar, but with less damage (8 stitches and a mild concussion). They put a heart monitor on him for a month and found nothing. I hope your DH's recovery goes well. Needless to say, Elena is a doll. Must be fun to be her Gma.

sas-schatzi

Had a post. Couldn't get the computer to behave, so, I redid the post. I don't like blue box deletes

Here's a link to the new thread on Beta blockers

https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/73/topics/845083?page=1#idx_1

sas-schatzi

Junie Happy Wiggle since you can't dance

sas-schatzi

Beta Blockers May Reduce BC Recurrence

These articles are about studies looking at beta blockers. One focuses on beta blocker and brain mets.. The other focuses on beta2 blockers for TNBC. My reaction when I found the TNBC one was WOW, an old family of drugs(1970's) and cheap too. Methinks you should take theses studies to your docs and have a chat. When I locate the actual studies I will post them

1. Inhibiting adrenaline receptors reduces breast cancer brain metastases. April 19, 2016. City of Hope in California

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20160419/Inhibiting-adrenaline-receptors-reduces-breast-cancer-brain-metastases.aspx

Authors' Comments: "We found that at City of Hope, breast cancer patients on beta blockers at or near the time of their surgery had decreased postoperative cancer recurrence and metastases, this intriguing findings led to a collaboration with Dr. Jandial and his laboratory to investigate the underlying cancer biology" - Michael Lew, M.D., chair and clinical professor in the department of Anesthesiology

2. Beta blockers may lead to new novel triple negative breast cancer treatments, March 1, 2016. Australia

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-03-beta-blockers-triple-negative-breast.html

Basically, There is an enzyme on the cell TNBC surface that has beta2 receptors. By blocking the receptor it slows down cell proliferation.

" To make their discovery, Halls and colleagues examined how an aggressive triple negative breast cancer cell responds to the stress hormone adrenaline. They found that an aggressive breast cancer tumor cell has a cell surface protein called "beta2-adrenoceptor" that can binds both beta-blockers and the stress hormone adrenaline. When bound to adrenaline, the beta2-adrenoceptor on these tumor cells stimulates a positive signaling loop to accelerate invasion. When bound to beta-blocker, however, the accelerated invasion of these cells was decreased."(emphasis mine)

Not a cure, but could be a drug in the arsenal

The most common beta blocker drugs used have beta1 & beta 2 blocking affects. Here's a list of all beta blocker drugs.

http://howmed.net/pharmacology/beta-adrenoceptor-blockers/

sas-schatzi

Wenchie, I'm starting to see that there is a significant amount of research on beta blockers. Please, put this in your favs

https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/73/topics/845083?page=1#post_4733995

This is from one of the articles. For there to be a protocol even for those that don't take beta blockers on a regular basis, the connection must be strong. This is the concluding statement from one of the articles I found

"The bottom line

• Beta-blockers are usually used to treat heart conditions like high blood pressure and an irregular heart beat. New research has shown that these inexpensive drugs may help cancer patients live longer.
• More research is needed to know which beta-blockers work best when added to cancer surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy, and for which cancers.
• If you already take beta-blockers for a heart condition, they may provide keep taking them if you are also diagnosed with cancer. If you don't take beta-blockers but are diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer or early breast cancer, you may want to ask your doctor whether to take beta-blockers for two days before and three days after your cancer surgery."(emphasis mine)
• http://www.stopcancerfund.org/t-breast-cancer/coul...

Loveroflife

Ok, thought I was seeing double there about the beta blockers studies. Wow!! Very interesting!! Thank you for sharing. Have you posted the info on the TNBC and brain mets threads???

JunieB, so good to see you checking in to update us. They didn't give you Emend for the nausea before surgery?? Wonderful drug. Same here, I think I would rather deal with pain than nausea. YUCK! It's a good sign that your pain is managed with the switch in pain meds. Sooo, did you end up with a voluptuous hip? Pretty soon you will be able to chase after a puppy.

Forward, I will take your rain. Love the rain, especially at night.

Susan, ouchie! That was scary. Poor DH. Mine passed out a few times from exhaustion. Four times on the airplanes. Twice at home when he was sick. He worries me as he has high cholesterol. Elena is such a cutie. She looks like she is thinking in that photo.

We picked up Mitzy from the sitter this morning. At first she panicked and tried to avoid us by hiding behind a table. Somehow, she did not recognize us right away. It took a few seconds before she realized it was us. Weird. Not sure if her eyesight is bad or her fear of people got the best of her. After I called out her name, she immediately switched from fear to excitement. Jumping up to hug and kiss us. It was sweet, but it hurt!! Jumping on people is a no no when she's at home. She got along really well with the sitter's German Shepherds. She even taught one dog how to howl (which she does when she is happy).

Sharing water with her friend.

Loveroflife

Keeping an eye on you, ShepK.

Loveroflife

Loveroflife

Nite nite.

Jazzygirl

JazzyJune- glad you are on the other side of surgery. Sending you love and energy for a good recovery.

queenmomcat

Chiming in late, but oh Susan3! How frightening! (Cant remember if this was asked: were your daughter et. cetera in the car with you when you got the call?)

JunieB

JazzyGirl - Thanks for the wishes. So glad to be on the other side.

They had 3 ice packs next to my hip all day yesterday and despite that I was burning up even though my temp. was normal. Then I started shivering last night and was concerned I might be developing an infection. Well guess what, if you remove the ice packs you do warm up. I'll blame it on the drugs. Duh!

Sas - Thanks for the wiggle pic. I couldn't dance even before hip surgeries though. Too much of a clutz.

Good too see you Queenie!

Met my Orthopedic Onc's partner today. She apparently is a good surgeon, but has NO people skills whatsoever. Oh well! it was just a follow-up visit.

Have a good day owlettes. I'll check back later.