I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2012

    Wasn't going to 'watch' last night -- but decided I'd have so many questions if I didn't.  Eloquent speeches, and in some cases the same ole' eloquent lies. 

    Wishing you all well. 

    Cheers,

    Jackie

    forgot to ask....does anyone here use Fact Check. Org.

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited August 2012

    WR, I so hear ya! Been piddling around (well, I DID organize and file my giant pile of papers), trying to decide when I'm up to taking my shower, lol. Then it's off to the grocery store to stock up on my 4 year old grandson's favorite treats. Picking him up at pre-school and can't wait to hug that little darling! Haven't seen him for 3 weeks!

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  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited August 2012

    Just a quick pop in.  (I'm mostly just an occasional reader here...).  Blue, I had seen that clip on a Republican blog yesterday.  It is so articulate and spot on.  It bears reposting.  Here is the direct youtube link:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAjX2aiX3PM

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  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited August 2012

    Best  book title by Mike Lofgren. 

    The Party is Over.  How the Republicans went CRAZY, Democrats became USELESS and the Middle Class got SHAFTED.

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited August 2012

    Looks like some of the media are finally getting tired of hearing "untruths":

    "to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold."

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/ 

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited August 2012

    Yep, Republican pants on fire all over the convention.

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited August 2012

    Priceless quote, Lindasa.

    Now for the lies tonight. Let's see if we can pre-empt them so that others don't have to hear them. Romney's nose should be longer than Pinnochio's:

    I say he may say the following:

    --Obama hates rich people (in other words, he is a masochist).

    --Obama hates successful people (see above)

    --Obama is responsible for the biggest fiscal deficit in history (wrong - Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts --for which Ryan voted-- and his war of choice are, but Obama was left with the bill).

    --Obama will cut Medicare (lie! He will reduce payments to hospitals that are inefficient, but he will not cut benefits. The payments are meant to incentivize better patient care and to extend insurance coverage to others).

    --Obama favors infanticide! Yes, it's true folks. Hear what Mike Huckabee said last night about how Obama wouldn't even protect people outside of the womb. Yep. The BLACK MAN is gonna kill your babies, folks! That's what the GOP says, and they ALWAYS tell the truth.

    --Obama (who sent troops into Pakistan to kill Bin Laden) will make the world less safe for America and give away the farm.

    --Obama is not a real American (he's black, he's black!)

    --I (Romney) "rescued" the Olympics.

    --I (Romney) am a man of my word.

    And here is the really huge whopper:

    --I, Romney, CARE.

    Anything else?

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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited August 2012

    But Athena - Romney DOES care.

    He cares for rich people

    He cares for business - i.e. rich people

    He cares for himself - i.e. rich people

    Let's see, what else....  Oh, OF COURSE....  He cares for the people who will vote for him - at least until he gets elected...

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    and he should get lotas points/credit/praise - for his "charitable giving" when it's all to the church he belongs to which requires tithing, esp. of it's Bishops ( which he was for years, don't know if he still is) - trying to imagine him as a "missionary"  - think he was "assigned" to France for his required 2 years.  Wonder if women are (yet) required to serve 2 years as missionaries in Church of Later Day Saints.  Rhetorical, don't bother answering...

    ALEXANDRIA - how's your wrist, hand???? Raising a cuppa in your honor...

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited August 2012

    Well, there are enough factcheckers around to set people straight about the facts.  The very worrisome part is that if some politicians are willing to continue lying to the voters, even after their lies have been exposed, then how on earth can anyone have any kind of faith and trust in them if they are in such positions of power?  There are plenty of conspiracy theorists (and activists) around already (who killed JFK? was the US gov't really responsible for 9/11 etc., is Obama trying to destroy the US etc.).  Can you even imagine putting any faith at all in those who treat prospective voters with so little respect?

    Not much gets past the internet these days!  Time for certain politicians to wake up and join the 21st century.....

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  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited August 2012

    Sunflowers, thanks for the links to the articles about the LIES. Of course, that one from Salon was written by Robert Reich, so it cannot be credible, according to some of my righty ex-friends on FB. But I personally trust and respect Reich--always have.

    Obama will be in Boulder Sunday at the University. I wish he'd take a detour up the hill to my house for my neighborhood party that afternoon. Lots of folks would ask him some good, hard questions about the environment and healthcare and the economy, then offer him a cold beer and a bratwurst...Wouldn't that just be the coolest thing ever?

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited August 2012

    Sounds like a most delightful way to spend an afternoon, Anne!

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  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited August 2012

    I'm gonna try to lighten things up a bit. Take a look at this:

    'The Daily Show' thickest with Super-Democrats; ESPN college football densest in Ultra Conservatives says study

    It's a link to a blog post from yesterday's Washington Post. The writer is discussing results of a study done by a marketing research group. Apparently, so-called ultra-conservatives and "super-Democrats" watch totally different TV programs. (Duh.) Really, it's kind of funny - the lists of "favorite" programs for ultra-conservatives, super-Democrats, and 3 swing-voter groups, don't overlap. And, the programs on those "favorites" lists aren't as easily predicted as you might think.

    Sure, super-Dems like the satire on "The Daily Show (Jon Stewart)" and "The Colbert Report," but they also favor "Game of Thrones," "Project Runway," "Glee", and "Modern Family."

    Ultra-conservatives really like college football:  4 of their top-20 shows are college football broadcasts (ESPN, ESPN2, etc.).  But, they also enjoy NCIS and "The Today Show" (especially "Kathie Lee & Hoda," a segment that's listed separately from the main Today Show program).  Ultra-conservatives put PBS's "Antiques Roadshow" very near the top of their list.

    The other 3 groups of voters surveyed in the study are presumed to be in the middle: "Mild Republicans," "Green Traditionalists," and "On The Fence Liberals." 

    I'm not surprised that my favorite shows are scattered among several of the lists. That's a clue to my voting history and political preferences.

    Now, play nice.  :)

    otter

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited August 2012

    Hey All, 

    Just a friendly reminder, in your discussions please be respectful of ALL opinions and viewpoints.

    Thank You 

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited August 2012

    I speculate that TV viewing is best categorized by educational level more than by political persuasion - excluding sports, which cuts across everything. 

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  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited August 2012

    Mods, that's kind of an odd interjection. Seems like we are all rolling along just fine. Unless someone who isn't participating is offended. In that case, walk away......as we have oft been told.

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  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited August 2012

    What about those of us who don't hardly watch any TV?  Truth is that the number of commercials have run me off ... short attention span and I lose interest in the show and walk away before the 20th ad in a row is done. 

    Another source of commentary about Ryan's speech ...

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/?cmpid=prn_aol&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing6%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D199268

    Opinions I can be respectful of.  But I was raised that lies were worse than whatever stupid thing I had done and was tempted to lie about.  So lies ... no.   

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited August 2012

    Mods, the conversation is pretty harmonious as far as I can tell - we are not obligated to show the gamut of views, are we? Whether it's cancer, cooking, travel or children, we just say what we think and freely show our dislikes or one-sidedness as the situation dictates. I think that happens everywhere on BCO. We are also not on Active Topics anymore, so we are not really on public display. We should be free to do the same palavering regarding our future as public citizens. There is no mandate for non-partisanship - or (for anyone who disagrees) for reading, for that matter.

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited August 2012

    WR - agreed. Lies are morally wrong. More so if the source, and the intention, could end up having an enormous influence on our ability, as breast cancer patients, or "uninsurable" people with pre-existing conditions, to secure health care into the future.

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited August 2012

    Otter -- Interesting that none of those "groups" mentioned seem to watch food porn (as one TV critic called all the new shows on the Food network!).  I'm a big fan of food porn, myself!  But then, I'm a Canadian and of course, we're all "socialists" (bad word, bad word, bad word!) up here in the GWN.

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  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited August 2012

    OMG ... I really am out of it.  I've never even heard of most of those shows on the list otter posted. 

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    OMG!

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  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited August 2012

    All I really need to know about lies is the fact that if somebody is telling you lies it is because you are not going to like their 'truth'. 

    I look at this thread as a social gathering.  You see a group having what looks to be a fun or good conversation.  So you walk up and check it out.  If the subject is not to your liking the polite thing to do is walk away and go find another group to visit with.  Easy peasy.

    Yep ... figures you Canadians are studying food ... probably a socialist plot to poison all us 'good Americans' with bad stuff hidden among all those herbs and spices.  Wink

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited August 2012

    OMG!

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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited August 2012

    I'm a food porn junky.... 

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  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited August 2012

    Yep ... Linda and blue.  We are on to you now.

    So ... is anybody here in the path of Isaac? 

    We're looking at a stormy weekend when it gets up our way.  Maybe even 6 - 7 inches of rain.  We need the rain but not that much.  Time will tell.

    Hope Riley is having a good moving day! 

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  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited August 2012

    Actually, I hardly ever watch regular (network) prime-time TV. I do spend a totally inappropriate amount of time on cable reruns of cops-and-lawyers shows:  NCIS, Law & Order, CSI, Criminal Minds, The Mentalist, Rizzoli & Isles. Can't watch The Closer because her Southern accent is too fake. (Yeah, I know... as if any of the rest of those shows is realistic.)

    I'm sympathetic to those of you who don't recognize the programs on the lists in that study. I've only seen one episode of Glee, and I've never watched "Dancing with the Stars." I hate the new reality shows, and I don't watch political satire for/from either side. (It doesn't fit my personal definition of "entertainment", which is why I watch TV.) So, I don't really fit anywhere.  Nothing new with that, though.

    otter

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited August 2012
    No True Blood or the Walking Dead???????????  What kind of a survey is that!Tongue out
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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited August 2012

    What about I Love Lucy??????????

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  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited August 2012

    I do watch snippets of Pawn Stars and American Pickers.  And that Rick guy who does restorations of old stuff.  A lot of their items are interesting and I like their personalities and the way they interact. 

    Then they came up with 'copycat' versions that are just hideous IMO. 

    I haven't watched anything on a regular basis since Stargate and Babylon 5 went away.  I'm a science fiction nerd.  Wonder what list that would put me on?

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