The Brand New Respectful Presidential Campaign Thread

Rosemary44

Bush can't be brought up on charges on treason, he got permission from congress to commit it:

Friday, October 11, 2002 Posted: 12:35 PM EDT (1635 GMT)

Sen. Blanche L. Lincoln, D-Arkansas, reads aloud the results of the Senate vote on the resolution.

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VIDEO CNN's Jamie McIntyre looks at the enforcement of no-fly zones over Iraq by the U.S. and Turkey. (October 10) PLAY VIDEO CNN's Nic Robertson is allowed to tour an Iraqi heavy industry complex, thought to be a place where nuclear components are made (October 10) PLAY VIDEO Many Iraqis are skeptical about George W. Bush's claim that the U.S. is a friend to the Iraqi people. CNN's Jane Arraf reports (October 9) PLAY VIDEO RELATED • Roll Call: See how your senator voted  • Interactive: Voices from the debate  • Time.com: Should we attack Iraq?  • Time.com: Iraq: Terror behind the lines?  SPECIAL REPORT •  War Tracker •  On the Scene Map •  Commanders: U.S. | Iraq •  Weapons: 3D Models •  Coalition casualties | POW/MIA •  Special Report ON CNN TV  Watch SHOWDOWN: IRAQ anchored by CNN's Wolf Blitzer weekdays at noon (ET) for in-depth coverage of the conflict with the latest news and debate from around the world. FACT BOX "The president is authorized to use the armed forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq, and (2) enforce all relevant United Nation Security Councilresolutions regarding Iraq." The resolutionrequires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of any military action against Iraq and submit, at least every 60 days, a report to Congress on the military campaign. • The resolution does not tie any U.S. action to a U.N. resolution.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.

The president praised the congressional action, declaring "America speaks with one voice."

Rosemary44

I'll try that again. 

Bush can't be tried for treason, he had the approval of Congress. 

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133

sccruiser

Well, then it's time to vote them all out of office.



and I'm sure some smart lawyer could find a way if they wanted to to bring Bush up on charges for lying to the American people. I think it hasn't been done because we would have been stuck with Cheney as president, and Darth Vader that he is, he rarely comes out from his cave. LOL



It saddens me that people continue to defend Bush and his ilk, when they have nothing but contempt for the wishes of the general population in this country. He has thumbed his nose at us for 8 years, this man who couldn't write a speech without grammatical errors if his life depended on it.



And even more frustrating, is that we will be supporting him and his ilk for years and years, with special privileges, even though he is the worst president this country has ever seen, and history will prove that! You can take that to the bank!!



I'm sure that there will be many republicans out there chomping at the bit to pay him millions of dollars to speak at their events. Such a waste of money, just like Bush's Folly of War ( I'm giving it a new name).



I LOVE freedom of speech in this country. I can write what I really, really, truly, truly feel and believe about the worst president of the united states we have ever had. I wish I could tell him how I feel to his face. Ahhhh, but of course, he is always protected from those who protest against him. Guess that's how they keep him from making more mistakes than he already does. "More trees, less Bush!"



he's not a candidate for president again, thank goodness, so I don't have to be respectful of him, do I? Don't need to answer that, it was a rhetorical question. LOL

sccruiser

Anyone listen to Biden yesterday? He rocked that committee meeting.



Crocker stumbled and mumbled his way through his canned speech, trying not to say too much so he wouldn't what? tell the truth?



And of course, no one could honestly answer that any of the past years of Bush's Folly of War has made any citizen of the United States safer on our own soil. Mmmmmm.



Sure wish Congress had the backbone that those of us who oppose Bush's Folly of War do--maybe the results would have been different and we could have resolved issues in a less bullying manner. Perhaps we do need a woman in the white house. Women are said to be great communicators and able to work as team. Nice to have, rather than the current "dictators." (B & C)



Thanks, my mad is finished!! I feel better already!!

NoH8

Grace, the lies are a huge problem to me and one of the things I'd I think will be cleaned up with the Obama administration. We should be able to listen to what our president says and trust that he isn't lying whether it's about an intern or a blue dress or visiting Bosnia. I'm afraid that some people have become so cynical that they don't even realize all that Obama brings to the table in this area but I do believe they are the people who wouldn't have been voting for him anyway.

Rosemary44

I'm wondering who those brave 156 legislators are that voted against the resolution.  Maybe one of them should be running for President. 

Anonymous

First of all I want to say I hate this war.  I don't like ANY war.

My nephew decided to become a Navy Seal.  He did outstanding on the tests he had to do here in Wilmington.  He scored amongst the highest in North Carolina.  You would never have thought going into the Seal's would ever be a choice for my nephew.

Then, he went off to basic training.  After talking to some "oldies" he decided he didn't want to become a "Seal" because he couldn't stomach the though of slitting one's throat.  However, he could shoot them which would not be as "intimate."  So, he decided to go in "Rescue and Recovery" which is still dangerous.  Well, as luck would have it, I just learned yesterday from my sister-in-law (his grandmother) that he fell off his bunk and injured his wrist.  Nah, he didn't want to go to get it looked at.  So, when doing push ups that day it hurt too much.  Therefore, he decided to do push ups with one arm.  As luck would have it again, he dislocated something in that arm.

Now, his in a classroom.  And Medic is looking pretty good.  That would still put him in harm's way if he decided to go this route.

No one can tell him NOT TO.  This is his choice.  And he knows what the consequences COULD be.

Yesterday I turned on the television to see President Bush award a deceased Navy Seal the Medal of Honor.  Yes, I cried.

I will probably get blasted here, but I don't see this as "Bush's war."  Call me naive.  I don't see him as the devil.  I'm one who defends Bush.

Our military men and women know where they may go...to war.  There is no draft like when we were in Viet Nam.  My brother was drafted and sent there.

When we have movies come out that blasts this war, IMO the enemy sees it.  They and the rest of the world see the divisiveness in this country.  I don't want our military to be put in harm's way.  So, when we say "bring them home" I'm sure they want to come home.  But, do you know how many men and women voluntarily go back to Iraq?  How many that are injured want to go back?  And how many think they are fighting an honorable war?

See below.  Have a tissue handy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfK2BQCIIes&feature=related

and (this one is short)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I11onUF7WqE&feature=related

Paulette531

Shirley...I have said the same thing about the military, they know what their job is, it is the civialians that don't seem to know. When people say "nring our boys home" it is because that is what they want, not necessarily what "our boys want".

I also do not believe Bush is that bad and it is amazing how disrespectful people can be where he is concerned. I believe history will tell the story.

Anonymous

Well, I dodged one bullet. LOL  I was expecting to see a WHAMO! 

What a brave young man. 

Shirley

sccruiser

More than one Rosemary--we need better choices!! Especially to end Bush's Folly of War!



Shirley, No one's going to fire a bullet at you. Each of us is entitled to feel however we want about the little short, dumb man running this country, or at least trying to not doing a very good job of it.



I don't think he's the devil, he's just a little easy to laugh at except for his arrogant know-it-all ( but he doesn't) attitude.



And out here in the West, we have join the military commercials on TV featuring prominently and almost all people of color. The song and dance about getting an education, and all the wonderful job skills they will learn so they can come back and get a great job. For some, it's a way out of poverty, but into what, an early death?



I think if a president thinks this war is so great and we are winning, he ought to be willing to go over there and lead it, and perhaps encourage his children to volunteer for this war. If you aren't willing to send your children, then you have no business starting a war. IMHO



I'm sure the soldiers know just what they are doing and where they are going. They seem to be ver bright and very gungho. Isn't that the job of the military to rah-rah them into fighting and killing the "enemy." Too bad over 100,000 Iraq women and children have been killed in the process. And I'm sure those injured are even a higher number. And then we bomb the H*#@ out of them and their infrastructure. We sure are good neighbors, aren't we.



If another country decided Bush was a dictator, and invaded our country to arrest and kill him, would we feel like they were doing us a great big favor so we could be free?



I think that most of the americans in this country aren't of a mind to go out and kill people. We wouldn't want that done to us.



So, some of us don't understand the military. I understand enough from relatives who have served that part of the process of getting men and women to go kill others is to "brainwash" them into "following orders," look at what has happened in Vietnam and now in Iraq. The treatment of prisoners by our military was hideous, and those who perpetrated it took the fall. What happened to the officers who looked the other way. Why aren't they held responsible for the action of their men. And that's why there was fragging in Vietnam. These men in the military just couldn't take it anymore, when they were asked to do things that killed innocent children.. Yeah, I know I'm get the other side about the bombs strapped to children. Well, it was a jungle war, we went there after the French couldn't win, and we shouldn't have. I feel the same about Iraq. We are on their turf and we aren't going to win.



History will tell, that's for sure. And Bush will go down as the worst.



I'm sure he's a nice person, but he's a rotten president. And it isn't even important that he's a republican. I'd feel the same way if he was a democrat.



Ah, ranting again. I feel better again already. Thanks for the opportunity. Hope you all are having as great a time as I am.

Rosemary44

This war is more fearful because of the Iran factor.  They're supplying the weapons to keep the Iraqi civil war going on forever, or until one side gets the better of the other.   Someone has to secure the border there.  I would hate to see this thing escalate.

One thing I would want to see happen as soon as possible is to get our National Guard home.  We need them here, not there.  That was the first of Bush's folly.  We come first. 

sccruiser

And to tell us during the hearings that there can be a collaboration and cooperation between the Iran and Iraq governments doesn't go along with the movement of terrorists being trained in Iran into Iraq.

There's just too much we are not being told.



I was hoping we would get some truth out of these hearings, but it appears not to be.

Some of the journalists in Iraq have a different take on the surge. It's fine as long as we stay at the levels we are, but the bombings and deaths will go up again once troops are withdrawn. So now we are in a real pickle aren't we? Looks like another 100 year war after all.

NoH8

I don't blame the troops for Bush's poor decision. I too saw the medal of honor ceremony and all I could think was that poor man died for nothing, for Bush's lies or extreme stupidity in going after Iraq rather those who attacked us on 911. I feel bad for all those deaths and the injuries that were unanticipated and recoveries that are unfunded. I feel bad that Bush went to war without insuring the soldiers were properly fitted with protective gear, the VA hospitals that had fallen into disrepair, etc. etc. etc. So I do think this is Bush's war and that he hasn't taken responsibility for his actions.

shokk

Good morning political junkies........ not feeling well but just for fun  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeRLiKYhLYk  everyone have a great day.......looking forward to the PA primaries.........Shokk

sccruiser

Tonight at 10 pm on CNN, Michael Ware has an hour interview with Petraeus. I saw the highlights this morning. The questions asked were good. Interesting to see what he has to say outside of the hearings.



Evidently this am the senate passed forward a bill that is "supposed" to be helpful to the housing disaster in this country. A senator who voted no (one of three) said this was a total bailout for the industry, and not the individuals who are losing their homes or are unable to remortgage or live in a home where the mortgage is now twice the value of the home. This is ridiculous.



Why is big business the first to get all the breaks?

shokk

Because "big business" is made up of a bunch of little people............that need jobs...........to pay their mortgages...........even though bailing out the mortgage companies is a really bad idea..........Shokk

sccruiser

Well, I think we should start from the little people first, not give tax credits and bail outs to mortgage companies, builders, and real estate firms because the owners got a little greedy and did some things they shouldn't have.



If we are going to provide for them, then we need to provide just as much for those "little people" who need ways to stay in their houses that have depreciated in value by as much as 2/3rds.



Foreclosures in California are running very high. People aren't willing to pay the mortgage of $700K + on a house that is now appraised at not much more than $300K.



Our government has made some big mistakes in handling the economy and housing crisis in this country. They need to be held accountable for this disaster. It just adds to the Bush deficit and keeps growing.



And if we keep borrowing money from China, they will own us pretty soon. I know, I'm exaggerating but I'm tired of all the wealthy and big business getting all the perks. Talk about unearned privileges!!

Anonymous

I heard one politician say he was voting NOT to bail out the banks. Said gov't should try helping the people with the mortgages instead of the lienholders!   He also referred to the gov't helping out Wall Street but not the stock and bond holders themselves. People lost life savings!!

sccruiser

I heard the same thing. And McCain shifted his position a bit today. He now says that those that were duped by the loan companies and mortgage lenders, who didn't know what they were getting into and weren't told the truth, should be able to obtain a new mortgage IF they can qualify for it.



And he still thinks that those companies that didn't "dupe" home buyers should be helped out.



It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next few days.

Rosemary44

It will hurt us all if those houses by the millions hit the market.  It wouldn't hurt us if there are only a few in our neighborhoods, but it doesn't seem to work that way all the time. 

I worked for a real estate firm that bought up those homes on the cheap and rented them out, it was half a neighborhood in some areas.  I wouldn't want to live in a neighborhood where half the homes were rentals either.  This was back in the '80's and it was all due to those same type of loans.  They learned nothing from the past.

Bren-2007

Bailing out Countrywide or other home mortgage financial institutions won't help the families whose homes are in forclosure.  BofA recently took over Countrywide, so what's BofA going to do .. resell the loans most likely, resell the homes at a lower market value, rent them out.  In NC the foreclosure market is at an all time high.  Mass building and marketing of loans to people with hopes of owning a home.  The majority of homes lost is in the African American market in the Charlotte and surrounding areas and to first time buyers.  It's a scam.  There is no regulation in the loan industry to protect first time "innocents" in the real estate market. They have no advocate looking out for them. Everyone is out to make a buck.  No money for a down .. no problem ... we'll get you a second mortgage for that at 8%!  You'll have that paid off in no time and you can still have your first mortage at 7.5% with your 10% down!!  Or the adjustables, which looked great to the "innocents" a few years ago. I've owned four homes as a single person. Got them with a stated income loan (I'm self-employed).  I swear those mortgage loan brokers tried every which way to get me to purchase two loans, adjustables ... anything to increase their profits, with the promise of a lower home mortgage payment for me.  It's a scam.  I knew what I was doing.  Most first time buyers don't.  The banks, mortgages companies and real estate agents are out to make their own financial gain ... "they" collectively could give a sh$t about the homeowner. 

So homes are lost, families dreams are ruined.

Oh and don't get me started about the construction industry in that very same area building homes and then foreclosing on them.  We owned a construction business (gutter installation and siding) in that area.  Did great until the big construction companies discovered they could far outbid us buy hiring local illegal workers at half the cost.  We could not compete, lost our business, and now my SO is a long distance truck driver after owning his own business for 19 years.

I need to go outside now and cool off. This is a touchy subject with me.

Happy politicing gals!

Bren

justanna

Interesting interview about Obama's stance on gay rights:

http://advocate.com/exclusive_detail_id53285.asp

NoH8

The LGBT community seems divided among the two-- strongly so, at least that's the impression I'm getting from what I've been reading, hearing and seeing on gay boards. There's a fairly strong feeling from most that the Clintons made promises during Bill's campaign, then threw us under the bus with DOMA and DADT. In the beginning of the campaign most supported Kucinich because of his favorable rating on our issues or Hillary, because she's a woman and her name recognition. After Kucinich dropped out the split seemed more 50/50 between Clinton and Obama, as people were learning more about Obama. Most of the gay men seem to graviate towards Hillary, in my unscientific observations and there is a small percentage of lesbians that are for Hillary because (they say) they really want a woman president. I haven't come across anyone or any articles that are opposed to either for what I call red herring issues -- the words of surrogates or Rev Wright for example. Most are quite well informed on  the issues. There are a few who support McCain inspite of his stance on our communities issues.

sccruiser

Amy,

I think you may be right about lesbians--in your unscientific observations. I live in a community that has a large gay activist population, and although Obama won in our county by a landslide, I know that some lesbian women are pushing for Clinton. My SIL and her SO are choosing to support Clinton.







Interesting interview of Obama. I too would like to see DOMA removed. Bush's campaign used that to divide the country even more--he was the most divisive candidate I've ever seen.



People just can't seem to separate church and state when it comes to education or gay rights. I hope that marriage for gay couples can become the norm and it doesn't take years to accomplish. Another way our country continues to perpetuate inequity among our citizens. Not everyone has the same rights and privileges.

justanna

Grace:

I totally agree.  Everyone should have

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justanna

Grace:

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Grace:

I totally agree.  Everyone should have

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Grace:

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justanna

Grace:

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justanna

Grace:

I totally agree.  Everyone should have

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