2005 ROCK-TOBER CHEMO GIRLS

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Oh, Mary. I'm sorry that's you're feeling this way....we all do okay and move along and then whammo, we get nervous and that breast cancer fear comes out of nowhere. At least that's how it feels sometimes for me. I worry a lot about the future....there are a lot of women who have passed away on the young survival coalition in their 30's and that freaks me out. I want to live as long as possible. It's that surrender to knowing we don't have any guarantees...we just have to live our lives the best we can. Sometimes with these holidays and milestones, especially in terms of time, like New Year's, it's hard not to get scared. When I was in therapy during treatment, my therapist and I really worked on not labeling my life in terms of time...years since diagnosis, 5 year survivor, etc. It's too hard to think of life like that.

My husband gets upset too that I still come to these boards, that I still think about breast cancer. My husband has been able to say that he just needs to move on....it's too scary to think of losing me or remember what we went through. He holds onto the thought that this is truly behind us, that it's never coming back, that it's over. He gets very upset when I say that might not be true...it's safer to believe in that fantasy that this was all just a blip. Maybe it is a blip. Maybe it wasn't. Who knows. It's hard for us to put this all into words...how to explain how this now fits in our lives and we went through it all. I think it's harder sometimes for our co-survivors. All you can do is remind your husband that sometimes you need to talk about it, that sometimes you may get scared, that sometimes you may get worried, that sometimes it's hard to make sense of it all. I bet he feels the same way sometimes, but doesn't know how to put it into words either.

I don't think it's justifying how you feel. I think sometimes we just have to remind these guys that it's hard sometimes...plain and simple. I know that sometimes my husband can talk to me about these things and sometimes, he needs a break from it all too.

We're here for you always!!!! I hope what I wrote made sense. It's hard for ME to put it all in words too

-Amy

ravdeb

Victoria..thanks for believing I'm cured. It helps..makes me look beyond the pains and remind myself that it was the chemo. Still..I hope to get scans just to be on the safe side...peace of mind.

I think that is so very nice that you and Kelly have phone chats! Very cool to actually hear a voice.

Which reminds me..Rosemarie...I'll pm my phone number to you.

I had a meltdown about the chemo not all that long ago. I cried to my dh that the chemo has ruined my life..given me pains I've never had before and made my teeth age as well.

So, Mary....we all do it..we cry and worry.. and often our husbands either can't or don't want to hear it anymore. It's hard for them. Amy is so right. In some ways, when they say this, I like to think that they really are expressing how much love they are feeling and thus fear of losing that.

I think that my dh has learned that he can't really relate to what I'm feeling and is happy that I've found a place where others understand..here on the boards. He's been very supportive and even doesn't comment about my sleeping in on some mornings from the fatigue. I think he worries more than anything else.

Gail... It came! The Hanukah card came!! Thank you very much. I think I may have told you that it was probably hanging out with the birthday card my parents had sent but I never got. I got both your card AND my parents' card today! So they WERE hiding out together!

Be well everybody.

debbie444

So much to catch up on!!
First things - Cathy, sorry if i sounded simple on the phone but i was , as we put it, gobsmacked to hear you! Was fun tho.
Rosemarie - wont tell Mark yet as he will be unsufferable!!
Mary - hang in there, put the virtual kettle on and we will come for virtual coffee - enmasse!
Roger didnt first foot , , didnt seem worth it what with there just being the two of us, so we had an early night , we must have been the only people without fireworks , will have to address that this year.

Christmas appears to be over, we are taking the decs down tomorrow ( well they are - I go back to work) all of the good chocolates are eaten, the testtube alien is flashing that it is hungry and forgotten , even the furbys are refusing to talk to each other. Talking of furbies - Mark was desparate for a large furby as Catherine had one a while ago. He finally got one, to open it and find that he has the grumpiest furby known to mankind ! It blows raspberries, ignores you, says " you are not nice" and shuts its eyes as you talk to it ! Think we have a 'rescue furby' on our hands!!!!!

Roger is in the garage, pondering how to fit a hydraulic driven rise and fall flat screen to my van ( the fact that it has no paintjob, no legal tyres, no brakes etc seems immaterial at the mo! It now moves tho so thats a bonus!)
Dev, sorry you are feeling down , we will have to see what we can do.
Linny, the surgery . Gosh , you must have mixed emotions. Crossed fingers for him ( and nervous granny)

Rog worried about me spending time on here too, but i told him that yes it was about BC, now its just a group of friends who happen to be experts on BC !!

Debbie

debbie444

Oh - i forgot. How much is 'a cup' in proper measurements? Think i was told but have the retention of a gnat at the mo and have forgotten
Debbie

TracySeattle

Kelly - we do have a Best Buy. I am leaning toward Circuit City, but maybe I will go to Best Buy once more and compare.... Dave is good at this and it keeps him busy - Retired folks like projects.... LOL!

Debbie - a cup is 8oz.

I look at our group here more as a group of friends now. Yes, we still help and encourage each other but we are so much more than BC survivors to each other!

My one year finished with Chemo anniversary is the 20th of this month! I will be having a part that day! I need to schedule my 6 month check with my Onc and also a Mammo on the left side. I called to do that today but couldn't get through.

I am on the run, it is rainy and dreary here today and it is going to be a windy, wet, walk to the bus!

Catch you all later!

Paula15089

I keep receiving the postcards from you ladies! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Wow, I loved everyones photos..

Kelly, your daugther is adorable.

Michele, you look great, so happy and healthy!

Mary-Anne, great boat pics!

Amy, looking fab as ever!

Tracy, looks like you romance is progressing nicely.. I have a HP laptop and am very happy with it. Get the one with all the bells and whistles – bluetooth, camera, large RAM – you wont regret it. Don’t worry so much about internal space, you can always get external hard drive. Laptops are soooo much cheaper in US compared to Australia, you guys are lucky!

Victoria, sorry to hear about your pains.. we all get them to some extent I think. I read somewhere it takes about 3-5 years for our bodies to completely rid themselves of all the chemo drugs.

Laura, how you going girl? Hope you are recuperating nicely?

Mary, Ravdeb, Amy, I could have writted your posts re others not understanding… actually, I had a hugest fight with my mum on Christmas Eve of all days… She thinks its wrong for me to still think about what happened. She rejects all my worries about recurrence, mets, infertility… In her words ‘Its out, you are cured, now its time to forget and move on’. This makes me feel like I cant go to the person closest to me for support… And it hurts. Time after time I get convinced, that no matter how much people love you, only those that been in our shoes can truly UNDERSTAND. I love my mum dearly, and we can’t stay mad at each other for longer than a day, but I think I should spare her any cancer talk from now on.
I understand though why people that care about us sometimes are not willing to talk about the issue as openly as we do. I think that the thought of losing us might be too much to bear for them, hence the denial.
I’ve just read a fantastic book, called ‘Dancing in Limbo’, which is about all the emotional implications of receiving cancer diagnosis, going through all the treatments and having to move on with one’s life. Written by two women daignosed with cancer, so very close to heart.
The book explains very well, why lots of cancer patiens feel a lot stronger and more positive DURING the treatment, but get depressed AFTER. It really did help me understand a lot of whats going on im my head…
If you girls are interested I can give you more info about this book, I personally found it one of the best self-help books I’ve read.

ok, thats enough rambling... i will post some more pics later on today.

love you all!

Anonymous

Hi Girls -
I have been crazy busy designing Valentine's Day products for my client...and BTW - my client is an incredible woman! She has been an incredible source of comfort and encouragement to me throughout the past year+. She stuck by me and her inspiration has helped me in many ways...She is a savvy business woman, incredibly creative and truly passionate.

I had the drain taken out today...somewhat painful, but at this point, there's little that is not tolerable. I thought the staples were coming out today too, but the surgeon said No! I have to go back on Thursday for that. Oh well...I'll just have to put those big girl panties on again (good thing I bought several pairs - LOL).
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marymelodi, amy -
I think your posts are just further proof that we should continue to rely upon each other for the majority of our encouragement and support. It's impossible to expect our co-survivors to truly/deeply understand. JMHO - those who have not dealt with a personal diagnosis, no matter how much they love us, will never be able to feel/understand what we have felt and still do feel. Fact of the matter is: you can't feel it, until you've had it. You can't truly understand it, until you've lived with it deep within.

Paula -
I feel bad for you and your Mum! I have decided to spare my Mom quite a bit of my fear and my comments, etc. re: it. My diagnosis alone took 10 years off her life. I feel bad that you have to deal with this at your age. I am going to get a copy of the book you wrote about. Best luck with the Prophyl plans. As for right now, I am not having reconstruction. I tried an expander with the first Mast. but had it removed because I couldn't tolerate the pain.

Victoria -
Physically I am doing okay. Still some pain, but nothing I can't handle. Emotionally, well...I don't know yet. I had a bit of a meltdown when I peeled the bandage back and realized that I, as far as my torso is concerned, look like an 8 year old! I am hoping this realization doesn't cause emotional distress going forward, aka PTSS. I'm hoping it's the shock and the reality and that I will eventually ease into it. Who knows...the brain is a very complicated thing! Hope you're doing well. How's Chloe's slave doing?
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Everyone -
Hey!

Laura

Anonymous

Kelly -
Your little "wild one" is adorable. The photos are great! I love animal prints, especially pink cheetah! One of my gal pals, Barb, bought me a wine glass for Christmas that's hand-painted with a pink cheetah print! On the underside of the stem, there's a recipe for a "Pink Cheetah Girl" drink:

One part strawberry liqueur
3 parts white wine
1 part champagne
a cherry for garnish

Maybe I'll whip up a few gallons of this when we all meet in the forest next Nov.! LOL



All comfy on New Year's Eve...(sorry Roy, not very sexy this year...but atleast I'm not bald!)


animal prints all the way down to my toes!



But love, love, love marymelodi's hand-made treasures!



I think I've lost my mind...oh well, I'll blame it on the Darvocet!

Anonymous

Laura: Wow! Animal prints (and Darvocet) become you. Very wild.

Mary: Your post made me feel sad and I wish I could give you a real hug right now. You have every right to focus on the bc for as long as you need to. One of my former moms just found out that her bc recurred. Hers was as tiny as mine, and she had the exact same treatments (lumpectomy, chemo and rads.). Triple negative like mine. Her first bc was less than 5 years ago. We have every right to feel the way we do. And we can't be too hyper-vigilant about this.

ravdeb

Okay Ladies..I slept through the night last night and my energy returned today! I'm off to the beach and then to do some art projects. I must take advantage of this spurt of energy and less fatigue!!!

I am pouring some hot coffee and/or tea for all those who want to gather around the kitchen table and talk and chat with Mary.

Brenda..so sorry to hear about the "former mom" who got the beast again. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr as Amy says. That is the scary part of this. I'm like you..triple neg...and wondering what will be. Although...we must be careful, have our pains and whatevers checked out, we also must live. What will be will be...

Laura...GREAT pic! I actually bought myself some cheetah somethings and will post pic once pic is taken! And that drink sounds stupendous....
As far as feeling like you have an 8 year old torso..I have nothing to say to you. I can't imagine it. I've never had to even worry about that. I feel lucky that I emotionally did not have to go through that part. I wish I knew how to help you get through this. All I can do is virtually hold your hand...

Just told my mom yesterday that I will be in the States next Nov so let's make that happen.

and..I don't tell my parents about my aches and pains because they are too far away and would worry for nothing. If there is something that is found guilty, I'll let them know.

Have a good day everybody!

RoseMarie

Good morning ladies...thanks Ravdeb, I'll take a cup of coffee with just cream please. We're surrounding you with love Mary!!!
I DIDN'T sleep last night! I woke up in a real mood and it didn't help that my dh likened nipple recon. to having a mole removed. I can now rationally sort it all out and know that he meant recovery time but at the moment (5:30 am) it didn't go over very well. Mike has never objected to me coming here and he is usually a good listener but he's also real practical and analytical and that can sometimes come across as insensitive.
Debbie - flat screen tv in your van?!! Sounds like fun!
Laura - you look great! and the drink sounds yummy too!
Ok...time to get on with my day (which right now means discipline my 4 year old !!!)

RoseMarie

Lol, was just really "checked" by my new signature line. Oh boy, yeah, "joyful!"

Anonymous

When I had the drain removed yesterday, I got a copy of the pathology...researched it this morning and read that there is an increased risk in developing bc with my pathologic diagnosis:

"Proliferative breast disease with intraductal hyperplasia, sclerosing adenosis and fibrosis. Focally fibrotic areas with multiple cysts on them."

This doubly confirms that I did the right thing! Yay...oh happy day! Beast be gone - never to return I hope!
Laura

cathy987

Just a quick check in to say pour me a cup of that coffee please. Mary if you want to talk I'm pm'ing you my phone number.

Also sending it to you RoseMarie to add to the list.

Laura–so happy you feel good about your decision.

Thanks to everyone for all the kind words about how I spent my New Year's Eve.

Have to work!! As I've said before I love my work but would rather spend my day with you all!

Anonymous

Brenda, I am so sorry to hear the news about your 'mom' ..... some of us have only one Mommy but many that have mothered us .... I have had a few moms in my life that I love terribly. Hopefully, the cancer is not distant mets but a local recurrance. I have heard that local recurrances have a great chance for recovery.

Dev, pour me some coffee with cream, please. Actually, did you know that Mocha Mix is Kosher?? I just saw that on it when I bought it the other day. Mary, your husband is probably being just like Amy said.... ready for your lives to move on because he is scared and hopeful. He wants so bad for it to be GONE. It doesn't help, does it?, that you are going thru other things in your marriage and so it seems compounded. I truly believe in the merits of counseling IF both parties are committed to doing the work that the marriage requires.

I remember doing some reading about marriages/relationships.... you have to think of the relationship as another PERSON. A relationship has it's own identity and so even though one person might want to do one thing and the other another thing, you both have to think what the RELATIONSHIP needs or should be doing. Maybe, and maybe not, sometimes your husband should think of himself not as (whatever his name is) but as HUSBAND. What would/should HUSBAND do in this situation. And you, instead of being Mary, with your ideas, desires, etc ...... you would think: what does WIFE need to be doing?

Dr. Laura Schlessinger often talks about behavior in a marriage and how action will create desire. Many times people do things because they want to or desire ...... thus desire --->action. But in a troubled marriage you have to force yourself to just do the little touching, hugging, saying nice things. Then it becomes a habit and unforced. I would try to talk to my husband about that. Pretend to be a happy couple.

It sounds to me like he has not dealt with cancer and instead has wanted to run by saying things you don't want to hear and then forcing the infidelities out of the closet. It would be temporarily easier for him if you asked him to leave ...... then cancer would be out of his life. I don't think that would be the wisest thing for him or for you but he doesn't think cancer affected him.

ravdeb

Rosemarie..when is the nips stuff being done? I am sure your loving husband was just being his analytical self. My husband is also like that..everything needs to fit into a mathematical equation and well..human behavior has its own set of equations.

Kelly..I do believe you are Kelly Wannabe Doctor! You are certainly read up on your relationship advice. I agree with you. There is a certain amount of negotiation that needs to go on in a relationship and one can't just hop on a motorcycle and whiz off and expect the other one to manage in the dust. hmmmmmmm..did that make sense? It made sense to me. I find myself wiping off dust a lot!

The point is..whatever is going on between the two people in a relationship needs to be shared, felt together, confronted with empathy and compassion.... the works. Unfortunately that doesn't always happen and we have to enjoy what we can and work on the things that aren't happening.

Laura... I'm glad you made the decision when you did. I always believe that whatever decisions we make, they are the right ones. I am sure you will be fine, now! WHEW!

Okay..coffee is hot and ready...anyone else joining?
Mary..we love you and just wanna join a support circle around the kitchen table.

ravdeb

Victoria..no problem there...Dragon Well green tea is ready and waiting...and a slice of mil's cake. And of course the medicinal dark chocolate

I love your words to Mary..setting limits and expecting promises to be kept. So very true... I could write volumes on promises not kept...

Good luck with your boot and handbag ban! I am trying NOT to ban myself...I have a hard time buying things for myself..my dh gets angry with me! He tells me to go shopping and buy what I want and need. In this dept he only encourages me to buy stuff. Have a hard time buying clothes. I'll buy art supplies and stuff for the house and the kids but never directly for myself.

I could use a bit of TracyNY's shopping bug!

marymelodi

Well, this kitchen table talk is soothing me. I wish so much that we could all really be together, but I love what we have now.

I came home last night from work, went out to do errands for my husband (had to go to the pharmacy myself since I just added him to my insurance and they needed to see the paperwork) and then when I returned close to 8 o'clock, he had a dozen roses for me. It's a bittersweet thing. they are pretty, but I wish there was no reason for an apology and trying to regain trust.

I'm feeling really prickly around him and struggled to keep from being scarcastic and nasty. Don't you find that one of the hardest parts of marriage is biting your tongue instead of blurting out the harsh or bitter words you minght have the impulse to say? Perhaps this is the skill that God wants me to learn in this relationship. I'm better than I started out, but still find it a struggle at times.

All of your words of wisdom are like precious jewels to me and knowing that there is support and understanding in this group is a great blessing. I thank you all.

Mary

RoseMarie

See, I knew there was more than 1 reason I'm connected to all of you - I don't have to be smart, I can just surround myself with really smart/wise people! I'm still taking notes...I'll be scrolling up and down again as soon as I post!
Mary - we love you!
Ravdeb - our husbands DO sound alike! Down to encouraging shopping! Too funny!
Nip surgery is the 19th at 11:00 am. I had blood drawn today, so I'm all set. The nurse said the procedure takes about an hour and recovery is another hour or 2. I'm supposed to put round band-aids on my breasts where I think the nipples should go - what if I mess up??? Don't want cock-eyed nipples! Actually, I'll get dh to help in that department.

Laura - so glad about your decision and the way you feel about it!!! I don't have pleasant memories regarding drains - glad they're out for you!!

I HAVE GOT to fold laundry UGH! Have a great afternoon ladies!

The phone list is growing btw!

debbie444

Rosemarie - are you sure they arent related ? This is just as Mark fell backwards and smacked his head on the floor.


Debbie

Anonymous

Debbie, your house needs to be moved to the spot next door to the hospital. Heaven forbid you were across the street or you'd get struck by an ambulence!

TracyNY

Rosemarie: Don't worry about the nipple recon. I had mine done and I was wide awake. I was behind the drape and he numbed me up and did the business. I didn't want the anaesthesiologist to stick my neck since the LE has my arms off limit so my PS said he'd do it with local.

We had a whale of a time, chatting and carrying on. Heck, three of us in the room graduated from NYU so it was quite a reunion!

Anyone want to take the shopping baton?! I'm giving it up. For the minute. I'm tired. There's too much stuff I haven't even worn yet. And I want to buy another flat panel tv for the front room. When I come back from London in March!

Anonymous

mary -
I just wanted to say that I hope everything works out for you and I feel bad you have to go through this after all you've already been through. Hang in there.

RoseMarie -
I'll be thinking of you on the 19th. Even though it's something you want to have done, I bet it's still scary. You have been so brave throughout. I don't know about you...but even though I have been "no stranger" to hospitals in the past 1.5 years...they still give me the heeby-jeebies! Will this be the last surgery? If so, I hope so.

TaDah -
You are brave too! To hear you speak of surgery...it's as though you're describing a trip to Disney Land! I wish some of your courage would rub off on me! I DO NOT want the shopping baton! I spent way too much money last weekend. I better get my butt back to work here, to help pay for it all! LOL

ravdeb -
Hi there! Greetings from the forest to the desert.

Laura

debbie444

Give it me Tracey - give it me!!!
I have bought lots of new decorations for next christmas, cards for the kids to give out , a fantastic rug for the conservatory, some presents ( yes i know) for nect christmas and some bits for Catherines birthday ( in May). This wa son the way home from work today! seriously , the only other thing i have bought recently was a hat - whod have thought it?????

Tracey - you are coming to London ? Not at the same time as Victoria is it?????

Kelly , the hospital comment makes me laugh ! I dont live that far away actually, (with the lights flashing on the ambulance it took 5 mins), probably a good job.

Thinking of you Mary
Debbie

linny

Paula, I am going to look for the book, thanks, who is the author?

Mary, sorry for your problems - life's difficulties don't go away because we have BC. I generally feel that men are less open and supportive than women. I have to say my husband has been very good, and I am grateful, also I am very close to my sister and it helps me a lot to talk to her. The bad part is that during treatment, she was so upset that some days, I worried about HER! I know she has taken this very much to heart.

I always felt that I had several very close and dear friends. However, through no fault of theirs, I dont feel the same way - I dont believe that anyone can understand what I went through, or the fear that is in my mind with no let up. I no longer discuss my feelings with them, not because they don't care, but sometimes they say the wrong thing (one friend just told me "everyone has to have dreams for the future" - all well and good, my dream is to not get sick - I hated that comment) and I just get upset.

Ravdeb, my husband is having a nice time, I hope I will get there in the future and meet you. I am not sorry I did not go this time, it is too tiring.

Linda

RoseMarie

Debbie- LOL!! Your kids are as cute as ever!! So Victoria AND TracyNy will be in England??!!
Thanks for the info Tracy. Your nip surgery sounds like my last c-section! I really want to be asleep for this procedure, however!!
And yes, this will be it! Except for tatooing which will take place in 2 months or so. (I'm a little concerned as I'd really rather not have my "headlights on" all the time.)

have a wonderful evening ladies!!

Laura - I so feel ya!! I was petrified today when I went to have blood drawn! (I'm more afraid of the IV than I am of the surgery!) I am SUCH a chicken!!

ravdeb

Rosemarie..you will be having nip surgery while Mary celebrates yet another wonderful birthday! we will all be busy wishing lots of good thoughts that day.

Victoria..you can have fine tea and dark chocolate at my house any time and we can then escape together to the beach!

Mary... I know what you mean about flowers and apologies. I know it's hard, but at least he is recognizing that he needs to begin somewhere and he chose flowers. I find that to be a good start. It's not enough..it will take time. But he is trying and that means that you mean a lot to him. Otherwise he wouldn't do flowers or anything else.

You will need to be patient.

I know very well about swallowing words so as not to start a nuclear war in my house! It's not easy. Sometimes, it's good to say certain things after rehearsing it in your head, and sometimes it's good to hold onto the words and time it just right.

Debbie..you take the cutest pictures of your kids! You are just great..always smiling and having fun..so full of life!

LInda..so true..it is not always easy to share bc feelings with our friends..even the ones who are the closest to us. I have a friend who moved back to the States. She was wonderful to me while I was on chemo. She bought me books that were tailored to me if you know what I mean because she knows what I like, she formed a coffee/breakfast club FOR ME and would pick me up every Tues morning and take me to the restaurant to meet the other girls. She was great. We'd talk and laugh and she kept in touch with me all the time. BUT..I could NOT talk to her about my feelings. She could not accept it. She said that it's all in my attitude and I should "shape up".

She still says this.

I pick and choose who I can share my thoughts with.

I hate blood draws, too, btw..but i always did. Now I wonder why I was afraid before because now I have REAL reason to be afraid since my veins are shot in my good side.

TracyNY..noticed that you said "for the minute" as far as your shopping!!!

Be well everybody!
Hot water for tea and hot coffee are still available!

linny

I am now terrified of blood draws, which I never was before. My veins are gone in the good arm, no improvement whatsoever after one year. I have one good vein over the wrist bone - it is literally the only one. But very important, you must ask for a butterfly needle - it is less painful and meant especially for bad veins. I was told to insist, even if the tech. says not necessary.

I just read an article about medical advances - it said 50 years ago, radical mastectomy was considered the only option for BC- then when they realized that breast cancer was systemic, the treatment changed. I know two people who had cancer - one kidney cancer, he had a kidney removed, and the other bladder cancer, he had his bladder removed - they are both doing very well after several years. I think BC is more threatening because it can, and does, so often spread.

Changing subjects, there has been NO winter in Toronto, I cannot begin to tell you how bizarre it feels. No shovels, mittens, hats, scarves - I have not touched any of my winter equipment.

Linda

ravdeb

Well, come here for an Israeli winter. I am afraid your husband is in for a wintery rest of the week. It is threatening looking outside as I write. I was on the beach but it looked like it was going to rain any minute. It still hasn't rained but they are predicting rain later today, snow in the mountains, and a drop in temps through Sunday! I hate this weather but I have to say, the beach was breathtaking today, just like every day!

My veins are bad and I do know the butterfly routine. However, I did have some success with a regular needle not too long ago. She got quite a bit of blood out in the crook of my elbow but then it just stopped! She took the rest out from my finger...how nice was that! It takes longer so people waiting their turn were not happy...like I care!I call her the singing vampire because when my daugher was in high school she had to have regular blood tests and was scared of them so the this tech (same one today)would sing to her to get her to laugh at her and then it didn't seem so bad! I like this woman because when I was really sick last year she came to my house and did my blood draw!

RoseMarie

EEEK! Ravdeb, the THOUGHT of giving blood through a finger!!! I'm still cringing!!!!
That tech sounds like a wonderful person, though!