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  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited June 2008

    Okay--This is very weird-----

    I saw the Beckel interview---he is for Obama.......

    He said something to the effect that he usually takes this stuff with a grain

    of salt, but he thinks that this one may be more problematic----

    It was a real blockbuster especially because it came out of Beckel.  

    Now suddenly the video of Beckel disappears from Fox's website.  And yesterday

    Hannity  on his radio show downplayed the rumors but would not confirm or deny that they had the tape.

    What is going on here?   

    If its a hoax it a dilly of one. 

    Oh the intrigue!

    http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=4129e9d3-586a-45dd-aeb9-294b819b7afa

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited June 2008

    Susie, just as I said, no one wants to take the blame for putting it out there. If the Repubs leak it, they again become the "vast right wing conspiracy" and besides, it does them no good to put it out there until Obama is the nom. They know he is more beatable that Hillary. Plus, if the repubs are blamed, it will be just what the dems need to unite their fractured party behind Hillary. If the rebubs can be blamed for playing dirty, the dems will all be back together blaming the GOP for all their ills. It is infuriating! That is why Hannity is sitting on it. He does not want to play his cards too soon.

    For those of you who do not know how Obama came to be senator of Il in the first place. Right before the election, Obama's campaign aired some dirt about the GOP's candidate's divorce.  Then the stupid GOP, rather than back their candidate, or bring in the second place primary candidate, decided to bring in a well- known (But my mind is a blank on his name right now) black pol from Maryland. What a farce! Even the republicans in this state did not fall for it. Many voted for Obama just to spite their own party. So Obama won in a landslide. He never had to campaign. He became the media darling without being vetted and now we are finally discovering who this guy really is.

    So the Ill. GOP is to blame for starting this whole mess!

    Like I said, anyone is crazy to expect an Il pol to run this country. They can't even run this state.

    Well, we did have Lincoln and Reagan, but Lincoln didn't have to deal with the internet, and Reagan "got the hell out of dodge!"

    Oh yeah, Hillary was born here too. But she went the scenic route!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    The other day, my dd and I were talking about "bad people who try to hurt people."  There had been a strange van with blacked out windows cruising our neighborhood, I called police and it was a man who was a "scavenger" ... looking thru people's trash for things he might sell. But I always call in anything out of the ordinary.

    So, I asked my dd "What would you do if someone pointed a gun at you at the park (or in front of our house, or whereever) and said: Get in the car or I'll shoot you!"  .... She said, "Don't get in!"  ... She is 7.

    I said, "Ok, I know what you are NOT going to do. But what WILL you do?"

    ..... See she didn't really answer my question.  Sounds like she will freeze. That's everyone's point about Obama.  What WILL HE DO?  Change what? He talks about Hope... hope is great but what are we hoping for?  How do we know if he is hoping for the same things we are hoping for?  I hope he is not raising taxes. I hope he is not forgiving debts. I hope he gets us out of Iraq. I hope I don't have to listen to Michelle. I don't like Bush but I did appreciate how Laura stayed out of politics unlike Hillary and Nancy.

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    SheriH. Glad to see you chime in. It is great to hear there are still teachers like you out there who are teaching their students to think, and explore, not just do as their teacher says.

    However, sadly, with so much media bias, students have a hard time getting to know all sides of the issues and candidates. That is why so many young people (including my poor midguided son), are for Obama. They do not hear the other side of things and don't take the time to hear all sides.

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited June 2008

    Wow, I have been a Republican for a long, long time

    in 1952, I was ten years old and pulled my wagon

    around the neighborhood with " I Like Ike" literature.. 

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited June 2008

    Hello Republican ladies........Sheri good for you........and SoCalLisa love the story.......I Like Ike.....that is just too cute........Linda my oldest voted for Obama too..........wanted to ring her little liberal neck.........she was actually excited about Gilliani but when he didn't make the cut she went to the Obamarama in Madison WI and how did she put it......"caught up in the excitement".......oh well I'll let her have one mulligan.....after all the first time I ever voted I voted for Jimmy Carter....ughhhhhhhhhhhh........Shokk

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    All of this is sad, isn't it.  My oldest daughter is a Hillary supporter.  She doesn't like Obama AT THIS TIME.  However, she's still on the fence when it comes to voting for McCain.  And my youngest daughter and her dh thinks McCain is another Bush.  Both of these two dds and the dh is liberal needless to say.  Then there's my middle daughter.  SHE WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!  My youngest and her dh just got back from Africa and knows nothing about what's going on.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    I heard on Fox today that millions of $$$$ have been given to Obama's church by our government AND Wright has the nerve to slam our government.  I believe he thinks it's all okay because of what the blacks have been through.

    They have a daycare at the church plus other outreach programs.  Thus, our $$$$ are used.  I heard it was something like fifteen million dollars in about 15 years.  The church I attended sometime back had their own school and never wanted a penny from the government.  Why?  Because the government wouldn't be able to come in and tell them how to run things.  And, I have no idea how this church that is so wildly publicized and so political can have their tax free status.

    As far as the tape about Michelle...yea, we repubs ought to be ashamed of ourselves for letting folks see her for who she is...out of the mouths of babes.  But I still say, the Obama robots will not care.

    Shirley

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    Roctober. I love you definition of hope. I hope you get what you want! It reminds me of my friends from Arkansas. They had a bumper sticker during the Clinton days:

    "I didn't vote for the dope from hope". Maybe we should market those again.LOL

    Shokk, I understand where my son is coming from. I too voted for Carter, and in my first election, McCarthy. I was so naive. But it may be because the voting was in our garage because it was heated, and the dem party boss paid me to work the polls. Ah, the ignorance of youth! But  I have a plan for my son. Since he won't listen to me, I having him over for a cookout with our friends who have a beautiful blond conservative daughter. We are going to let her talk to him! LOL

    Shirley, I have no problem with the government funding preschools for city kids, even in churches because these kids do need as much help as they can get, but here is another Chicago tidbit. Last year there was a fire in a supposed "historic" church where MLK once spoke. Our wonderful gov. decided to pledge $1 mil. of state money to rebuild it. What happened to the separation of church and state.

    Remember, I state has a deficit in the billions. This is politics as usual in Chicago. 

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited June 2008

    Sheri,

    And I agree with you.  Start the kids out early to actually listen to the words.  There is never any substance to what he plans to do to achieve his goals of what exactly.  People will start to listen up a little more closely as we all start complaining about it.

    Anyway, I think I have a scoop.  McCain is giving a speech from Louisiana this evening.  Are we going to hear how wonderful Bobby Jindal will be as his Veep?  I really got into Palin though.  We really do need expansion of drilling.  Anyway, I'm excited about Jindal too.   

  • SheriH
    SheriH Member Posts: 785
    edited June 2008

    Funding church organizations is a tricky business.  I haveworked at a church sponsored Christian school and an independent Christian school.  I have seen the pros and cons to "vouchers" to pay for private education, and while it would definitely benefit me as a teacher since all our pay comes from what parents pay in tuition, in addition to what they are already paying to subsidize public schools with their taxes, and we can't charge more than what parents can afford, I have been cautious about wanting to take government money for the exact reason that we would then have to be under government scrutiny and possibly lose our freedom to teach religion.  I've seen it happen to organizations such as the boy scouts. 

    Ok, I'm sure no one wanted to get into that particular discussion, but I just want people to know that we may be able to teach our own agenda as a private school, the whole idea is to teach children to think for themselves and learn how to discern what is right and wrong for themselves.  Interestingly enough, when i asked my students to do a current event on the current election for an assignment, most of them seemed to see through both Obama and Hillary with fairly keen insight.  It made me glad to know that even young students, 12-18, had given it some thought.  That's all I ask from our education system, don't just teach opinion, teach students to think.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited June 2008

    Rosemary--Right now I think Palin could be more likely than Jindal because of age and experience.  Believe it or not Palin has more experience-----Both of them have way more experience than Obama but Jindal's age 36 I think might be an issue.  McCain will wait till Obama picks his VP.  

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited June 2008

    Hmmm, my keyboard is giving me grief.  I wrote this whole thing, I hit send and it's gone.  Well I'll try tomorrow.  I listened to McCain's speech tonight, a little low key but to the point. 

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited June 2008

    "There are independents and Republicans who understand that this election isn't just about the party in charge of Washington, it's about the need to change Washington. There are young people, and African-Americans, and Latinos, and women of all ages who have voted in numbers that have broken records and inspired a nation," he said.

    Does anyone find anything weird about this quote from O's speech?

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited June 2008

    Paulette,

    So what does that mean exactly?  What's a broken record of what?  Here we go again, as Reagan loved to say. And how is he going to change Washington?  I can't listen to his speeches anymore.  If he gave ways of how he's going to change Washington, let me know and I'll listen.

    Susie,

    I agree with Palin being the better choice between the two.  I was listening to Romney speak a couple of weeks ago, and he's a very strong speaker besides really wanting the job.  I haven't heard Palin speak, it will be important in this campaign because we have a silver-tongue, say nothing, contestant on the other side.  What do we all think?

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    Paulette, are you talking about the fact that he totally left out white males in his list? I just hope people will listen to what he is really saying.

    Rosemary, I too am having a hard time listening to him. At least it took me a couple of years to get to that point with Clinton!

    Will someone please explain to me why they keep calling BO a great speaker? It is easy to speak when the speech is the same over and over. I just hope he will have the b***s to debate McCain. When he speaks off the cuff, he says lots of dumb things.

    I  hope Hillary is enjoying her vacation!

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited June 2008

    SoCalLisa, I have an I like Ike button, too!  Also a Polio Pioneers!  From being given the first Salk vaccine. LOL 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    If we end up with Obama, I hope our Houses are run by the Republicans, that way his ideas won't pass.

    Why he is talking about breaking record on voters, I don't know. It seems to me that when Clinton was running, he broke the records with women and young people, too.

    People will try to say this is a race thing but it isn't, it's an experience thing. It's an ideology thing.  When I voted yesterday, I knew I didn't know who to vote for Assemblyman.  I asked a trusted friend early in the morn before I went and he told me which guy was the best and why ... one reason being is that he is from our county and he named the things he spearheaded.... anyway, I never asked what color he was and there is no picture on the ballot.  In fact, I still don't know .... color/race/religion/sexuality never played into my vote:  just what he can do for us ... will do, has the ability, the experience, the know-how, the "stick-to-it"-ivness!  

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited June 2008

    I was just listening to McCain at his town hall meeting in Louisiana.  He was much more animated today then he was last night.  He has asked Obama to come to 10 town hall meetings starting June 12th, and they'll go on till the election.  He even offered him a ride in the same plane to the meetings.  He's thinking green.

    Then he went on to speak about our energy crisis, and I am still impressed with him.  These town hall meetings are McCain's forte'.  Obama can't do off- the- cuff responses if his life depended on it.  He'll have to know the questions upfront.  Hmm, aahhh, long pause.  This will be a sentence for us, I know.  We didn't do this, but we have to pay the price anyway.  

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited June 2008

    Oh, now I see what he's saying about the broken records.  Nevermind.  It takes me awhile.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited June 2008

    I don't think I can take another six months of Obama's mantra "the Politics of fear" and "hundred year war".........

    Wake up-- "Radical" Islam is a threat --and it not the time for a novice in foreign policy with a bunch of left wing policy advisers.

    ----------------------------------

    From the BBC

    Airliners plot': The allegations

    The trial of eight men accused of a plan to suicide-bomb passenger planes has begun at Woolwich Crown Court in south London.

    The eight men all deny conspiring to murder others and endangering aircraft.

    Below are the key allegations in the prosecution's introduction to what is expected to be a long and complicated case.

    THE PLAN

    Peter Wright QC, prosecuting, opened the trial saying the men had intended to target planes leaving the UK for North America.

    The alleged ringleaders
    Alleged leaders: Ali (main), Sarwar (top right) and Gulzar (bottom right)

    Some of the men intended to take a home-made explosive on board the flights and detonate it themselves.

    The prosecution says the explosions would have been co-ordinated and that the plot was nearing the moment of completion when arrests were made.

    Some of the men were under surveillance, the court heard. The security services watched two of the men in a flat on Forest Road, Walthamstow, as they made "final preparations", said Mr Wright.

    THE TARGETS

    The alleged plan was to target a series of planes leaving from Heathrow Airport for North America. Police say they found a list of flights on a memory stick belonging to Mr Ali following his arrest. The memory stick allegedly listed scheduled flights from three carriers - America Airlines, United Airlines and Air Canada:

    • 1415 UA931 LHR-SAN FRANCISCO (United Airlines)
    • 1500 AC849 LHR-TORONTO (Air Canada)
    • 1515 AC865 LHR-MONTREAL (Air Canada)
    • 1540 UA959 LHR-CHICAGO (United)
    • 1620 UA925 LHR-WASHINGTON
    • 1635 AA131 LHR-NEW YORK (American Airlines)
    • 1650 AA91 LHR-CHICAGO (American)

    Prosecutors say the alleged plotters would ensure that all the targeted planes were in the air before putting their plan into operation. In other words, the alleged bombings would take place in sequence - but the authorities would not be able to intervene. The allegedly targeted planes would all be either 777, 767 or 763 jets able to each carry between 241 and 285 people.

    Prosecutors say the trial will reveal that the two main conspirators talked of targeting up to 18 flights.

    THE BOMBS

    The bombs the men allegedly planned to use would be home-made. Each alleged bomber would board a plane with the "necessary ingredients and equipment".

    Tang

    They would then construct the devices mid-flight and detonate them.

    The prosecution say the trial will show that the alleged bombers' devices would be sufficient to "cause a loss of their own lives but also all of those who happened by chance to be taking the same journey".

    The alleged bombs would involve 500ml plastic bottles of the Oasis and Lucozade soft drinks. A sugary drink powder, Tang, would be mixed with hydrogen peroxide, used as a hair bleach, and other organic materials.

    Hydrogen peroxide and the other ingredients can become explosive if mixed to a specific strength. Mr Wright said hydrogen peroxide had been used in "previous terrorist incidents".

    The mixture would be injected into a bottle with the help of a syringe. The bottle's cap would not have been removed and the hole would have been resealed, said Mr Wright.

    A second substance, a type of high explosive, would be hidden within an AA battery to form the small charge required to detonate the main bomb.

    The charge would be detonated, said Mr Wright, by linking the bottle of explosives to a lightbulb and a disposable camera. The charge from the camera's flash unit would be enough to trigger the explosion, he said. The BBC has not comprehensively detailed the alleged bombs' composition.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    Yep, Paulette, I noticed form what you posted that he left out "white men."  I had to reread it, and then "figured" it out. LOL

    My dd and her dh were over last night.   So, I didn't get to hear the speeches...THANKS KIDS!  I could not stand to hear Obama speak.  I barely could listen to him this morning.  He said something to the affect of Jews and African Americans standing together against prejudice.  Oh, I wish I had taped it just for that one comment because it sounded like something his church would say about African Americans.

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited June 2008

    I think I just heard that Obama is turning down the town hall meetings offer.  Some moronic excuse which made no sense.  Oh, they aren't informal enough.  What?!? 

    And now I just heard the exact opposite that he will accept.  It's all according to what channel you watch.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited June 2008

    Obama needs a teleprompter.  McCain does miserably with teleprompters and looks very ill at ease..

    However he is very at ease in taking questions and a give and take. Its ashame more people aren't given the chance to see it. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    Talked with my sister today, they are voting for McCain. She said that the economy is too rocky, too volatile to vote for a man with little experience and no plan.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    I did hear McCain talk about drilling for oil AND other resources.  We cannot continue to go on like this.  The bill before the senate right now, I believe, wants to tax the oil companies more which would trickle down to us.  Makes no sense.  However, no one thinks it'll pass..it's the Lieberman-Warner Bill. 

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    Susie, Thanks for the BBC report. I can't believe not a peep in the news here.

    Rock-Well you've managed to make a couple of CA converts. I'll keep working on the IL faction. Maybe we will convert our states to red, one relative at a time.LOL I think I need a bigger family. On second thought. . .

    So Rezko is guilty on 16 counts. No surprise there, but it is amazing how they kept BO totally out of the trial. Now the question is, will he make a deal and turn on the gov. ? If you does, BO must be next because he was in both of their camps, raising money. Or will the Chicago pols get to Rezko and shut him up, to keep BO safe? Stay tuned.

    It just makes me so sad that Chicago is so corrupt. We have such a beautiful city. It is such a joy to walk around all, take a slow boat along the river, or see the incredible skyline from the lake. I just wish the insiders would clean up their act and make this city worthy of the hard working people who make Chicago what it truly is-an example of people from all over the world, making something wonderful.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited June 2008

    Deja Vu-------This is getting a little repetitious.  What a judge of character.

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    Obama on Rezko: I’m a clueless dupe…again!

    By Michelle Malkin  •  June 4, 2008 08:55 PM

    "This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew.”

    That was Barack Obama’s response to his corrupt crony’s convictions.

    Q: How many times can Barack Obama claim to be shocked, shocked by the behavior of his longtime friends?

    A: As long as the press keeps ogling, he’ll surf his way to November.

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    Sounds like Captain Renault talking to Rick in Casablanca

    Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! ...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    How can he be shocked at this point?  This man needs to interview his friends! Either that or he is not really friends with these men and has used them for political gain then distancing himself when it doesn't suit him!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    Susie, I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED that HE'S shocked!

    Shirley

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