The Brand New Respectful Presidential Campaign Thread

He says he might change his mind.

Rosemary--regarding Carter between the UK Telagraph interview and this interview by him:

"We are very interested in the primaries. Don’t forget that Obama won in my state of Georgia. My town, which is home to 625 people, is for Obama, my children and their spouses are pro-Obama. My grandchildren are also pro-Obama. As a superdelegate, I would not disclose who I am rooting for but I leave you to make that guess. "

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Is that not plain enough?

Let me tell you --the moment this guy comes out for Obama--

The Jewish vote???  Albeit its a small one nationwide but, those little old Jewish ladies in Florida would be as likely to vote for Obama as they wanted to vote for Buchanan.---Like Florida won't be problematic enough for the Democrats.

Am I the only one who heard, coming from O'Reilly last night, that there is something swirling around about Obama that is yet to come out?  What's left?  I'll see if he repeats it tonight.  It could be his way of getting up those ratings.  Just for the sake of how it would frost ole Morris, I would love to see her win North Carolina, and watch his jaw drop. 

Did anyone hear that Jeremiah Wright has had his invitation withdrawn to speak at Northwestern Universtiy?  I heard that on CNN.  Later on Fox.

Obama and his wife were very involved with Wright.  He married them and baptized all of their children. 

Am I crazy?  Why are people not getting it.  After the Wright thing I thought for sure, it would be the end for him - and I do believe there is alot more out there about him that we just dont know yet.  

Amy:  If your reading this I hope your ok.  I dont get to read or post much anymore.  I hope your were not banned.

Nicki

((((Nicki)))) jeez so sorry to read about your fall yesterday and the broken foot........you're right thank goodness it is the left foot and you can still drive.......I imagine that you may stay home for the next two days but will be back to work by Monday.......you won't be able to stand it........you warned us about Obama months ago.....right?.......you said he had done nothing for IL while a state senator and given the fact that you are Democrat this is really nothing about being loyal to your party......just your observation.....Cherryl really hasn't said much either even though I think she might be leaning toward Hillary just not sure........more stuff will be coming out......Obama is going to have to be so careful about what he says because if he angers Wright more Wright will be back on TV..........it's almost like open blackmail.........I am sure that if Obama ends up with the nomination there is always the October surprise that the Republicans will be holding onto just before the election.......we will all have to wait and see......looking forward to Tuesday........Hillary just might end up with both NC and Indiana.............Nicki get some rest.........see you tomorrow.......love Shokk

Yep, Junie, I have heard the same thing.  What we need right now is NO MORE GAS HIKES!

Shirley

I've been in bed now for two days (with cold/fever) with nothing much to do aside from think about this year's election and, in particular, the Democratic primary and Obamanation.  I've been very puzzled by the unusual support of Barack Obama, a one-year U.S. Senator, with no apparent credentials for being elected U.S. president (much like George Bush, eight years ago, but on paper even less qualified).  I've decided it has to be a form of collective hysteria.  There are lots of examples in history of such hysteria (some I won't mention as they're too recent and disturbing) but the Salem witch trials is an example and one which most of us know about.

British historian Mike Dash notes that studies have identified six elements that are required for a case of mass hysteria to afflict a population:

1. "Regional conditions must be conducive" to the mass hysteria's plausibility.
2. "Channels of communication must be available for the reports to spread."
3. "Social and economic stress, as well as a lack of faith in the authorities, predispose people to embrace unconventional interpretations."
4. "[E]very culture has marginal traditions that offer alternative explanations."
5. "A triggering episode often serves as the pebble that commences an avalanche of reports."

With respect to the first and third, ecnomic conditions, the war, a lack of faith in government are partly responsible.  A few days ago, I was watching a program where students in Indiana were being interviewed about their choices in the Democratic primary--apparently they are split down the middle.  One, a girl of about 20, was for Hillary and when asked why, said that she liked her educational policies, particularly her policy on student loans, and that she also liked what she was proposing with respect to the environment.  Another, a boy also about 20, like Obama.  When asked why, he said he wanted "change" and non-partisan politics.  But in the latter case, he gave no specifics.  It seems the word "change" is the main ingredient for those who favor Obama, yet they can give no examples of just what change will mean, beyond non-partisan politics.  Yet, we know from Obama's time in the Senate, that he actually worked less well with Republicans than Clinton.

The second is supported by the media bias towards Obama that is particularly apparent on the cable channels, with MSNBC leading the pack.  It's interesting to note that some NBC journalists, in the beginning, seemed to be holding back but as time has gone on, they have all joined in Obama mania.  I haven't quite figured out the initial bias, although I think it's partly gender-based, partly a dislike of the Clinton's, and I suspect partly pushed by the owners of MSNBC.  I think, also, that once the media decided that wine drinking, cheese eating, educated Democrats were for Obama, that a large number of Democrats to prove their credentials voted for Obama.  The same is true for blue-collar workers.  Once they were told they didn't like Obama, they didn't.  Sad, but a good many people are unable to think for themselves.

I can't come up with examples of three and four, other than in the opposite direction.  Now that Reverend Wright is all over the TV, we are seeing an example of five, with Obama starting to lose traction.  What is very disturbing to me is that I believe a large number of people who put their reputations on the line for Obama are now so far in they can't withdraw.  I fear that the Democrats will go all the way to the general election rather than admit they were wrong and we (the Democrats and I fear the nation) will lose in November.  An example of the latter is Caroline Kennedy appearing with Michele Obama to quiet the Wright controversy.  What, in heaven's name, is Caroline Kennedy dong with a woman she didn't know until she was persuaded by her children to endorse Obama.  It really is freightening! 

Last year, my dad told me that if it came down to Obama and a white guy, he was voting for Obama.  If it came down to Hillary and a white guy, he was voting for Hillary.

I asked him why he wasn't getting into the politics of it all?  He said he wants to see either a black man or a woman get to be President. And he wants to see women as priests. 

He believes the country and world need to see changes and great strides.

From CNN.com Politics on Guam: "Voters cast secret ballots in polling places as opposed to publicly aligning themselves in presidential candidate preference groups, as in more traditional caucuses, such as in Iowa and Nevada."



Hmmm, seven votes in a secret ballot....Out of thousands cast. Any potential problem here? Did any get lost? Any persuasion of the elderly by candidate group or recording inaccuracy? Any miscount? Any absentee ballots not in and counted?



Is this third world enough yet for America?



Is the Democratic National Committee high tailing it to Guam tonight? Hmmmm.



TBC?

Tender

"Hmmm, maybe Mr. Dean is catching a plane south, ya think?"

Absolutely, and with as many premarked ballots they may need.  I thought the number of votes counted was pretty small considering the population there is 170,000.

Dean certainly doesn't give me a warm fuzzy that he's in the Clinton camp.  His job should be how to get Fl and MI votes to count, not his continued call for the super delegates to vote before the convention.

They've been saying something that the Fl and Mi delegates won't be able to have a vote to choose the next President?  How do they plan on that happening if they are there to vote in the convention, why seat them?   Very confusing.

Cherry,

"One rather outspoken woman (my mother) indicated that she is damn tired of people assuming she is voting for Obama."

I had a good laugh at that one.  

Your mother sounds terrific.

When my dad told me that he would vote for Obama or Hillary because of "what" they are instead of who they are, I was pretty indignant.  I told that just because he wanted to see this in his lifetime that the policies they put in place can effect America for generations to come and that was not fair to me or Teryn.  I mean, the Presidents who decided to enter the Vietnam War and then our own GeorgeW going into Iraq ... well, that cost us a lot more than money! And for how long will our nation have to pay for it all!  We are still paying for Vietnam casualties.  You can't just UN-DO policies or get out of Iraq.   By voting for what a person is, you could end up in a lot of trouble if they are dishonest or not very bright!  This time, with Bush, we ended up getting both of those! 

Yikes! Is there anyone on this thread who is not an obamaholic?  I don't get it.  What does this many offer but pretty words? He has virtually no track record.  Granted Hillary is not the perfect candidate either, but at least you have some idea what to expect.

If they didn't discount Florida and Michigan, who would be ahead?  Why didn't he play fair and agree to real primaries there?