Presidential debates on ABC right now-both parties
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Interesting article in todays Wall Street Journal on-line regarding the housing market debacle.
House of Politics
March 27, 2008; Page A14This week John McCain and Hillary Clinton both used the housing-market upheaval to offer a window on what their Presidencies would look like. The contrast in philosophy and program is something voters should pay attention to.
The media coverage of Mr. McCain's speech has portrayed his approach as laissez-faire, and the Clinton and Barack Obama campaigns quickly assailed it on those grounds. But that's true only in the sense that Mr. McCain didn't endorse any vast, new government rescue of bankers or borrowers. If this is laissez-faire, we've come a long way from Adam Smith.
The best part of Mr. McCain's approach is his description of how we got into this mess. He doesn't merely blame Wall Street or "predatory" lenders, though he does fault both along the way. Instead, he offers a largely accurate description of how the housing and credit bubbles arose, driven by lax lending standards fed by a belief that housing prices could only go up. Then add some financial innovation that is now being stress-tested -- and found wanting.
The major flaw in this presentation is that it leaves out the Federal Reserve, whose far too easy monetary policy helped to create the subsidy for mortgage and other debt in the first place. But the virtue of Mr. McCain's overall diagnosis is that it doesn't treat all borrowers as victims, and instead assumes that everyone shares some responsibility for getting wrapped up in the housing mania.
Refreshingly, too, the Arizona Senator framed his policy response around personal accountability for bad choices. He thus rejected one favorite Bush White House-Democratic idea of the moment, which is to lower or drop the downpayment requirement for loans backed by the Federal Housing Administration. As Mr. McCain pointed out, such no-downpayment loans were part of the mania problem. One reason the FHA has fewer subprime problems than private lenders is that its borrowers had skin in the game.
The Senator is less helpful in asking for some grand meeting of mortgage lenders to "help their customers and their nation out." If he means a willingness to help some borrowers work through their cash shortfalls, then nearly all lenders are already doing that. But Mr. McCain also offered the dubious analogy to General Motors's 0% financing offer after 9/11. As we recall, GM was offering that to new-car buyers, not to people who already owned their autos. If Mr. McCain is asking lenders to rewrite their mortgage contracts across the board, he's getting very close to Hillary Clinton-land.
And speaking of that Eden, Mrs. Clinton called this week for "immediate, bold" action "to unfreeze our mortgage markets." To that end, she would immediately freeze our mortgage markets. She wants a 90-day moratorium on foreclosures coupled with a five-year rate freeze on adjustable-rate mortgages.
This would amount to the broadest price controls in the U.S. economy since the Nixon Administration. Mr. Obama has said this abrogation of contracts would do nothing to help the market clear and would only drive up borrowing costs. For this accurate observation, the Clinton campaign said Mr. Obama was "to the right of the Bush Administration."
Mrs. Clinton's proposals do at least fit her far simpler analysis of what went wrong in credit markets: Greedy Wall Street, and predatory lenders who made loans that were "designed to fail." Her remedy is thus to punish lenders and investors, while forgiving and subsidizing borrowers.
For example, she'd pour $30 billion to left-wing special-interest groups like Acorn so they can get out the vote -- er, offer counseling and financial aid for distressed borrowers. She has also discovered a lawsuit she doesn't like -- namely, one from investors who might sue for breach of contract if they are unwillingly stuck with principal writedowns on their mortgage-backed securities. At least she admits there is such a thing as a frivolous lawsuit, which seems to be defined as one in which investors sue to thwart her bailout plan.
Mrs. Clinton also proposes a curious triumvirate of grey eminences -- Paul Volcker, Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin -- to sit down and in three weeks come up with a more comprehensive rescue plan. Yes, this is the same Mr. Rubin who, as chairman of Citigroup's executive committee, oversaw the bank's reckless plunge into mortgage risk. And it is the same Mr. Greenspan who opened the liquidity floodgates as Fed Chairman and so helped to inflate the credit bubble. She got it right in choosing Mr. Volcker, but he's endorsed Mr. Obama.
Mr. McCain can be a little too righteous when he claims he would "not play election-year politics with the housing crisis." What he does seem to understand, however, is that most Americans are responsible borrowers who don't want to underwrite the losses of those who aren't. In that, he is politically smarter than Senators Clinton and Obama.
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Amy: You made me giggle. Love ya too.
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I'm just curious, as a spectator (being home with two newborns, one a preemie; it's easier to read than type in my own opinions), how much of either of these two political threads have made an impact on how each individual feels about her candidate of choice? Are any of the postings turning you off of certain candidates? Are you persuaded by some of the postings?
From my perspective, I'm still firmly resolved to vote for the candidate I originally voted for in my state's primary. I'm just curious how effective stronger want-to-be influences on my fellow voters are. Sometimes I'm so offended by certain posters that I almost have to back off and re-analogize my stance, so to speak.
Very tired (not of you all, really; but from lack of sleep),
Anna
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Susie--I have a big concern with some of the proposals for fixing the mortgage problem--and I'm a tax and spend liberal! The deregulation of banking created most, if not all, of this problem. I agree that individuals have to act responsibly, but in all honesty, there are very few people in this country likely to refuse a "zero down" loan when it's offered, particularly since most of the financial institutions led these same people to believe (ridiculously so) that housing prices always go up. They don't.
Years ago when I purchased my first house I had to put twenty percent down and had to show that my income was not only steady but also sufficient to pay my "fixed" thirty year mortage. This formula disappeared during the greed years and I'm a bit reluctant to subsidize the foolishness of some first-time home buyers, and very reluctant to subsidize the greed of mortgage lenders and those who hold their stock.
However, I am sympathetic to those who are not only losing their homes but find themselves in debt from which they can never recover, so I do support some kind of financial help to these people, but only so long as it comes with the reinstitution of banking regulations and some assurance that the solution will expect those who receive help to return some of their profits to the government should they be lucky enough to sell their homes at a profit at some future date, and so long as the federal government does not reward the greedy lenders with a bailout. "Greed" is not good, no matter what Gordon Gekko said!
I'm wondering where The Wall Street Journal was during the past ten years when I was asking (and was laughed at for being naive) how real estate prices could double and triple when average salaries were not doubling and tripling and how people could get loans for $300,000 and above with gross incomes of $60,000-$80,0000. It made no sense to me.
And since I live on interest earnings, I'm sick of the Federal Reserve, despite increasing inflation, lowering interest rates to bailout people who didn't act responsibly in the first place.
A pox on all their houses.
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Anna--I doubt that most people change their minds once they've made a decision, and I suspect that most people who post to this thread have already come to their decisions. I vote Democratic (and platform), so will vote for whichever person is the Democratic Party's nominee.
Posting for me is mainly a way to procrastinate, from my own work, from cleaning the house, exercising to lose weight, or whatever it is I don't feel like doing at a particular moment.
My first post to this thread happened purely by accident, after I joined BC.org to check out some pains I was having in my lower ribs. I happened to read a post that said Hillary Clinton had done nothing for New York State--I was supporting Edwards at the time. I replied, just to correct the record, and here I am some three months later still at it, and now a strong Hillary supporter. So in that respect, maybe the thread did have some impact on my decision to support Hillary, not Obama.
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I heard Hillary outline her plan for FHA to buy up the loans and directly deal with people. Set fixed interest rates that were affordable. Probably what the mortgage companies failed to do was to look at net income to see if these people could even qualify to buy the home they purchased. More than likely they were just selling loans to anyone who came through their doors.
Meanwhile, as we talk about this, we do have a congress who should be dealing with this now. We shouldn't be wondering what our candidates want to do about this in some future time. Now is the time. The three of them are in the Senate. What do they want to do today?
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Rosemary--you're absolulely right on this one. In January 2008, the new president will take office; it's March 2007, and all three candidates are Senators. Surely, they could do something now about this very immediate problem. And if one of them did do something, stimulate the Congress to take action, we might actually want to vote for that person in the fall. I hope you get a delegate seat!
Does everyone realize that we're paying their salaries and they do nothing to earn those salaries!
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Anne,
I think we all need to share in the shame of our congress. When was the last time we wrote them to demand action, and attendence? Congress is coming back March 31, at 2P.M. They all have websites, it can't be easier for us to get a letter scorching through ewaves. Their talk is cheap. We want action.
It's very doubtful I'll get an elected seat. They overbooked. For one seat, there are 10 delegates and alternates and it's going to Obama. I'm a Hillary alternate, 2 times removed. Thanks anyway, who knows things happen.
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Amy, since you are gay I wanted to share this with you. Or anyone else who would like to chime in.
I have a five year old granddaughter and a three year old grandson. He plays with his big sister..dolls, dressup and other girly things, plus loves his cars (he's just really getting out of that baby stage). He likes to dress the dolls. So, I told my daughter that I was going to get him a boy doll for his b'day in May. We've already gotten him a car that "does stuff." My husband doesn't know my plan. Neither does my SIL. Neither does the "other" grandmother.
Okay, here's what disturbed me. I told my VERY conservative friend that I was looking for a boy doll for my grandson. She said, You've got to be kidding! No, I'm not kidding. I told her he plays with dolls and dresses up. In fact my dd was getting ready to throw away her purse and asked my granddaughter if she wanted it. She did and SO DID my grandson thus, she had to find another purse to give him.
Anyway, my friend said she hoped his father wouldn't let him have the doll. And that it was different playing with sister's dolls. And, he sleeps with them if he wants. I asked her if she thought this would turn him gay. She answered she didn't know (meaning yes, probably). Now I know what homophobic REALLY means!
When our girls were little our next door neighbor had a son and daughter. They all were very young. Scott, the neighbors son, didn't have any boys to play with in the neighborhood. So, he'd play anything they played when he was little. He'd push a doll in the stoller behind him. He's a WONDERFUL father and husband.
Just had to tell you, Amy. See, I'm not so bad after all.
Shirley
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Rosemary--I'm always writing to Schumer or Clinton and all I ever get back is the standard, "we received your letter, etc." However, good idea, I'll write about this as well. Sorry you won't get to go to the Convention--it would have been fun.
Shirley--buy him his doll and don't pay attention to your friend. Why not a baby doll?--after all, men change diapers and look after their children. It's good practice. I still remember my older brother getting Lincoln Logs and I got a doll one year. He operated on my doll, cutting off her head and then wouldn't let me play with his logs--which I loved.
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I need to complain, but the "bitching" thread is so full of serious problems, I decided to do it here. My husband is going back to Maine this weekend and we asked the person who turned off our heating system in December (drained all the pipes and radiators) to turn it back on. He called that he can't get the boiler to work, that the thermostat in the kitchen (brand new) is not working, so now we have water in all the pipes but no heat, which in Maine means the water will freeze and the pipes will burst and we'll have water everywhere!!! And, on top of that, he says he couldn't get into the front room because the door is so swollen, it won't open, and he had trouble getting through the back door for the same reason. And tomorrow it's supposed to snow! So I just had to call an electrican and a boiler guy, on top of this guy, and we still have no assurance the pipes won't burst. And when I called the company that supplies us with oil, I was told it's currently $3.94 a gallon but by tomorrow it will probably be $4.00. So for one hundred gallons cash, the cost is $400, which will last us a few weeks at best. I hope summer comes early this year. Sorry folks, just needed to get it out of my system!
And to go along with the political theme, when is someone going to do something about the price of oil--i.e. find an alternative energy source!
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Anne,
I wrote my Senator a couple of years ago, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, she sent me a reply, and half way thru it, I fell asleep...for 2 years.
So if anyone has sleeping problems, I'll send them the letter. Or I can post it here and we'll all miss the entire election.
We will be out of oil in about 40 years or so. Definately not enough time for the congress to act on a price.
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I'll be long dead and buried. I suppose I should make sure that my family doesn't decide to stick an eternal flame on my grave stone.
But at least Hutchinson replied--the question, though, is was it a personal response or a stock response?
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Hillary's health care. Below is article from the N.Y. Times on some of Hillary's plans for health care. One of the statements surprised me. It states that the average family spends between $5,000-$6,000 on premiums a year. In 2003, my husband and I (no children and no pre-existing conditions) were spending over $10,000 (Guardian), and it would have gone to $12,000. So were we overpaying? I thought the figure cited in the article to be low. (Sorry about embedded code--can't get rid of it!)
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Senator Clinton said in an interview on Wednesday that if elected president she would push for a universal health care plan that would limit what Americans pay for health insurance to no more than 10 percent of their income, a significant reduction for some families.
In an extensive interview on health policy, Mrs. Clinton said she would like to cap health insurance premiums at 5 percent to 10 percent of income.
The average cost of a family policy bought by an individual in 2006 and 2007 was $5,799, or 10 percent of the median family income of $58,526, according to America’s Health Insurance Plans, a trade group. Some policies cost up to $9,201, or 16 percent of median income.
The average out-of-pocket cost for workers who buy family policies through their employers is lower, $3,281, or 6 percent of median income, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a health research group.
A cap on premiums has been part of Mrs. Clinton’s universal coverage proposal since she announced it in September. Her published plan did not disclose her thinking on where to place the cap. She also said in the interview that she preferred to set the limit at a single level for all Americans rather than varying it by income.
Mrs. Clinton, a New York Democrat, set out a comprehensive approach to her signature issue of health care in three speeches last year, but she has been criticized for not providing details on several crucial components. She largely continued that approach in the interview, saying she would leave particulars like the eligibility criteria for her proposed health insurance tax credits to negotiations with Congress.
But she did discuss her thinking on other questions, including the premium cap, and expressed openness to measures she had not previously embraced.
She said, for instance, that it “might be appropriate” to require insurers to spend a heavy proportion of every premium dollar on health care as opposed to overhead and profit. Several governors, including Arnold Schwarzenegger of California and Edward G. Rendell of Pennsylvania, have proposed requiring that insurers spend 85 percent of premiums on health care.
Without specifying a number, Senator Barack Obama, Mrs. Clinton’s rival for the nomination, has backed that general concept.
Mrs. Clinton also she said if she could not generate the money needed to pay for universal coverage through other means, she would not object to raising the excise tax on tobacco products, which Congress last increased in 1997 to 39 cents a pack.
“I’m a big believer in raising tobacco taxes,” Mrs. Clinton said when asked whether an increase should be on the table. “You know, when we were working on the Children’s Health Insurance Program, that’s the funding stream that the Congress came up with, which was bipartisan, which worked out very well. At some point, there’s going to be diminishing returns. But, sure, why not? I don’t have any objection to that.”
As in her debates with Mr. Obama and other contenders, Mrs. Clinton displayed an easy command of health policy in the 45-minute interview, conducted in a basement meeting room in the Midtown Manhattan tower that houses her Senate office. Her voice hoarse, she conceded some weariness from the lengthy campaign, saying her decision to take off the Easter weekend had only allowed exhaustion to set in. But despite calls by some Democrats for her to abandon the race, she gave no hint that she was viewing her campaign in the past tense.
Mrs. Clinton presented a confident defense of her call for universal coverage, saying it reflected not only a moral imperative, but also the best chance to reduce costs and improve quality.
“I know that there are a lot of experts who may disagree about how to get to universal health care,” she said. “But they agree with me that in the absence of universal health care it’s very difficult to control costs, and it’s extremely hard to incentivize quality improvements at the level you need to really see results.”
Though that view is not shared by Senator John McCain or any of the rivals he vanquished to secure the Republican nomination, Mrs. Clinton said she thought that “the time is right” to build a bipartisan consensus to reorganize the health system.
She pointed to a growing demand for change by businesses, which bear the brunt of rising premiums, and to the support by some Republicans for a Senate bill that, like her proposal, would require individuals to buy policies and toughen regulation of the insurance industry.
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“There is going to be increasing pressure, because left alone, we’re going to have more and more uninsured people and more and more underinsured people and continuing costs and decreasing quality,” she said.
Asked whether her proposal reflected the will of the entire country or just the leanings of voters in Democratic primaries, Mrs. Clinton said, “Well, I think it’s where the country can be.”
The proposal to cover all 47 million uninsured people would maintain the private insurance system and mandate coverage for all legal residents. She would require insurers to cover every applicant regardless of age or health status. Government insurance similar to Medicare would be available to all consumers.
Refundable tax credits would help make the newly mandatory policies affordable for low- and middle-income workers. Small businesses would receive tax credits to encourage them to offer insurance to employees. Large companies would either have to offer health benefits or pay into a pool that would finance subsidized coverage.
Mrs. Clinton has pegged the cost of her plan at $110 billion. About half would come from savings generated by improvements in prevention, chronic disease management and electronic record keeping. The remainder would be produced by rolling back President Bush’s income tax cuts on people earning more than $250,000 a year.
Mrs. Clinton’s campaign Web site says she would cover the uninsured “with no overall increase in health spending or taxes.” She said in the interview that rolling back the Bush tax cuts “should not be rightly labeled as a tax increase” because without Congressional action the cuts are to expire on Jan. 1, 2011.
Mr. Obama, of Illinois, also aspires to provide universal coverage, but he would mandate coverage only for children. He has said consumers should not be required to buy policies until costs can be reduced enough to make premiums affordable. He has suggested that affordability is the sole reason people do not buy health insurance.
Mrs. Clinton called that argument “just specious.” She maintains, and many health economists agree, that a share of the uninsured are “free riders,” typically young and healthy workers who can afford coverage but choose to spend on other priorities.
She pointed out that millions of qualified Americans, many of them children, remained unenrolled in government programs that would provide free or heavily subsidized policies. “You can make it affordable, but unless you have some requirement you’re not going to get everybody into the system,” she said.
As in past interviews and debates, Mrs. Clinton refused to specify how she would enforce her mandate. She has previously said that garnisheeing wages would be one option, but has declined to say whether it would be the preferred one. She did say, however, that the uninsured could be detected by employers and government agencies and then enrolled automatically.
There would be “a long grace period” to enroll, she said. At some point, it might be necessary to impose penalties to encourage compliance, as is the case in Massachusetts, the lone state with a mandatory coverage plan. “Probably eventually,” she said, “but I don’t want to set a time frame.”
As with many elements of her plan, Mrs. Clinton’s ability to lower costs so that premiums would not exceed 10 percent of income is speculative. “I think her plan is realistic at close to 10 percent, but I don’t think it’s realistic at 5 percent,” said Jonathan Gruber, a health economist at MIT who generally supports her approach.
Mr. Gruber also questioned not varying the premium cap according to income.
Mrs. Clinton said reducing the cost of health care would be crucial to the next president’s ability to keep Medicare solvent. The program’s trustees projected this week that the Medicare Hospital Insurance Trust Fund would be exhausted in 2019.
She said she would allow Medicare to negotiate lower drug prices and would “rein in” government subsidies for private Medicare Advantage plans. She said she would resist increasing payroll taxes or cutting benefits until trying a broad range of cost controls.
“We have so much unnecessary cost in our system,” Mrs. Clinton said. “It’s heartbreaking how much we spend on things that don’t produce a doctor at a bedside or a nurse taking care of a patient or any particularly good outcome.
“So I’m reluctant to put more money into a broken system. And it’s not only Medicare. It’s our entire health care system — without significant reforms. I think that would be an unbelievably bad decision.”
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Interesting comment: he started running for president the day he was elected Senator.
Even more interesting--news is reporting that John McCain has missed more days in the Senate--like 30% more--than Obama. Mmmmm.............so what is John doing today?
To be upset about our "free country," as in taking away the Mich & Fla voters votes cast in the "too early to hold--oops--Fla government said oh well, the DNC will fix--oops--not so easy now!
But, getting to my point, which is not about the battle going on between the DNC and the two state governments, I would like to comment on the "free country" idea, when it comes to Fla voters.
Well, how come no one is mentioning the rights of the REGISTERED black voters in Fla who were turned away from the polls because--oops--their names were removed from the lists? And what about the voters--okay, perhaps there were some whites in this somewhere--who were turned away from the polls because the voting machines were "broken" and couldn't be fixed in time, or if they were most of the voters left after standing in line for hours to "freely" cast their vote in the elections of Bush? How can we be angry now and blame Obama and Hillary (depending on who you're gunning for right now) when the FLA government screwed up--not just for this primary--but for 8 years--for 2 elections. When every registered voter in this country, no matter race, creed or religion is able and willing to go to the polls and cast their votes in every primary and every election in this United States, then we will have a "free country."
I've been away from this thread for a few days, but came back. It took me two days to catch up on what I missed. So, here's my take on what has been happening--at least this is my honest opinion as to the race issue.
As for Reverend Wright, if no one wants to talk about race, and thinks we don't need to talk about race, then let go of the vitriolic about Reverend Wright. I said it before, and I'll say it again (and maybe many agains LOL), it's time to move on. The day that Martin Luther King Jr was assassinated, and JFK, and Bobby Kennedy, this country stopped talking about race. At least those of us in the white majority did, I believe. However, African Americans, Latinos, Asians, Native Americans, Hispanics (hate that the US used that word), Mexicans, and any other race group we want to identify have not stopped talking about race. What I have learned from my encounters with people from each of these groups is that they have finally gotten sick and tired of trying to educated white people. They have been working on race. They have been talking about race. They have been living with race every day of their lives. They wake up in the morning and look in the mirror--race and when they go to bed at night it's still there.
We whites don't have to talk about race, we don't have to think about it, we don't have to wake up thinking about it, and we don't have to go to bed at night with our last thought being about race. We whites can just go through our day and not think about race at all. Most of the places we live in, and where we go to eat, and stay in a hotel, and work, and socialize, and yes even go to school, we mostly see those who look like us. Now that's not true for all whites, and yes, every single one of us could come up with stories about how what I am saying isn't true for them or the African Americanss, Native Americans Latinos, Asians, etc. they have met and talked to would disagree with me. And that's true. What we need to do as whites is listen to the stories, read about race relations in this country. Read books by James Banks, Cornell West, Bettina Apdecker. Read the two articles I posted, one by Tim Wise, and one by Peggy McIntosh. Make a list of what's packed in your invisible knapsack. Make a list of all the privileges you receive without even asking for them or actually "earning" them, just because your skin labels you as white. How long is your list?
If we want to talk about race, then we need to talk about race in terms of what it means in this country to be white. We need to know the history of other races in this country. We need to understand how their experience is different from each of ours.
I'm not saying we are racist in the sense of a KKK member or white supremist. But we are racist even if we think we are not to some degree. It's conditioning. But again I want to say what Dr. Phil says all the time on his program, and it's not about race, but it soooo makes sense if we just think about it:
YOU CANNOT CHANGE WHAT YOU DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE. So, while we want to say, I'm not a racist, we can't until we acknowledge our own humanity, our own conditioning. We aren't bad. We aren't evil. We don't do it purposely, but if we want to understand why many of us, from many different walks of life agree with Obama and believe that now is the time to begin healing this country, one of the first conversations we have to have is about race.
I really want to have some honest dialogue here about race. But unless we educated ourselves, we aren't going to move forward. And believe me, the others are moving forward, and at this point they aren't willing to drag our sorry butts behind them. We have to take dominion and learn others' histories, and don't dismiss them because they are not your own.
Shirley, I actually liked your little story about the boy doll. I think that's great that you are aware of those boy/girl conditioning that goes on in this society. These small acts make up a world change when we each try to have our children and grandchildren be free to be themselves. Even the Supernanny approves of boys dressing up and playing with dolls--she had a tough customer a few weeks back--a dad who was "ashamed" and tried to keep his son from doing this--even made him go into a closet to do it--how Freudian is that? She finally even got him to "dress up." No, not in women's clothes but a costume. And accepted his son's wanting to dress up occasionally. There's a lot in this world that needs to change.
And while I agree with Amy, as I think you do somewhat also, that it's tough to compare your experience of slaving over household tasks and taking care of her with that of true 1800s slavery,
I also cannot stand by and not validate your experience with your mother as having played a part in who you are and what you have done for yourself in spite of your mother. And for that I commend you. I think it is very hard to forgive a parent who has emotionally and spiritually abused you as a child, perhaps even physically also.
Many of us have had those kinds of experiences and I just wanted to acknowledge the story you told us. I can certainly relate, and have spent the last 20 years "forgiving" my father. And I did quite well in spite of him, which I continued to tell him until he acknowledged that about 7 years ago--right before he died.
And I don't think I want to belabor (no pun intended) the race issue anymore. What I would like is that we move on from Reverend Wright. He is no longer preaching and no longer in charge of that church. He is retired and on a sabbatical. What he does from here on in, is the responsibility of Rev. Wright. It is not Obama's responsibility to censor Wright, or tell Wright what to do. Just as it is not Wright's job to tell, nor do I believe he ever told Obama how to act and what to believe--only as his spiritual advisor. You must know a black church and have worshipped in black churches to understand the spiritual relationship between pastor and member of the church. And yes, not all black churches have ministers who are this passionate about helping their congregation move up ladder in this country. It is what it is.
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Hi Grace. I thought you had left us for more fertile ground (or blogs, in this case). Nice to see you back. My DH doesn't like being called anything but Uruguayan, and can't figure why he's lumped in with everyone who was born south of Texas. His country is so south, it's north!
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Justanna, you ask an interesting question. The comments on this thread haven't changed my mind about Obama. They have made me feel even more negative about Hillary, because many of the comments remind me of her campaign tactics which I loathe so much and began my negative thinking about her. I would assume that's the opposite of the reaction they want.
Shirley-- sadly the story about your friend doesn't surprise me. I think you and your daughter are doing great by your grandson. To deny him what he wants to play with would only confuse him and make him feel ashamed for what he wanted to play with. He sounds creative and why anyone would want to thwart that is beyond me. I'm interested in what you thought about my comments about acknowledging where racial pain came from and how some black people might have views that whites think are nuts on the surface.
Grace or should I say Dr. Phil
- I agree with you, race is an important and difficult conversation. Shirley and I have come to blows, but I think are coming to an understanding of each other through the difficult conversation.
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Anne,
It looked like a personal response. I was talking about a part of the legislation to be voted on and she responded in kind about that part.
I don't see how a health plan can work unless we're all paying into it and we're all covered, 100% participation. Not just kids. To stay solvent it will require us all paying in, taking in to consideration our ability to pay, of course. Anything other then 100% will still leave out a large portion of people. Those who work for small companies, etc.
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I'm not too sure we're here to try to change anyone else's vote. I just wanted to talk with other people to get their views on different things that were happening out there. Plus, it's fun.
Yep, McCain missed the most votes. Whats he been doing?
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/
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Thanks for link. Interesting that my two senators from Maine, both women, were at the top of the leader board (been watching Dancing with the Stars), missing zero votes. And they're actually two women I could see as President, even though they call themselves Republicans (actually, in the years they've been in the Senate the movement has been so much to the right, that I think of them as Democrats these days). Either one of them would be a great Veep choice for McCain!
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Anne,
I agog with anticipation. Who are these Senators?
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Susan Collins and Olympia Snow, both from Maine. They're officially Republican but are the two most left of center Republicans in the Congress. They're both very pleasant as well. I'm stilling waiting for one, or both, to change their party affiliation, but I guess that rarely happens. If Obama gets the nomination and Hillary isn't in the Veep position, he would be wise to select one of them, and not to tack right. That would probably help him with the independents and some Democrats--women in particular, and he'd get the State of Maine--all 200,000 of them or whatever the number is. Did you know that Maine has a higher percentage of voters in the Green Party. 3%, than any other state. And I think our town has all 3%.
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I would love to see a woman running with McCain. I don't know why someone doesn't whisper in McCain's ear to look to Maine. He could use some N.E. support, why not Maine?
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Not a whisper, but an email. I wrote McCain's campaign suggesting that either Collins or Snowe would be a good VP, but Snowe is probably the best possibility. She's the senior senator from Maine, wins overwhelming in Maine when she runs. Maine is about half and half, but generally moderate in its views, with a large Green Party presence. Snowe's had a long and distinguished career in government, is very moderate in her views, both pro-choice and pro-gay, very well known as a consensus builder, voted by Time magazine as one of the top ten senators. She's somewhat hawkish on defense but very moderate on social issues.
If Hillary doesn't get the nomination and those 28% of her voters are looking for a home, they might be inclined to vote for McCain if Snowe were his running mate. I think he would be very foolish to go for someone to the right of him. Some of them might stay home but his chances of getting independents and Reagan Republicans with Snowe are good. I hope he takes the chance. I looked her up via Google and the first website i looked at said she's on his short list--which I didn't know. So maybe it will happen.
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Anne Shirley-- are you one of the people who hopes Obama loses to McCain in November so hillary can have another shot in 2012?
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Good Morning Amy. I cant think past yesterday lol - so to think about 2012 makes me feel like Im
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Amy--No! But then I'm not in love with Hillary Clinton--she's just another politiican with too much ambition and ego, as is true of all politicians. I don't have the Elvis gene and don't worship rock stars from afar.
I might ask what you have against Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, since my post concerning them seems to have inspired your reply.
And from a political standpoint, I think it highly unlikely that the Democrats would retake the WH in 2012 if they don't retake it now. Americans are very reluctant to throw out an incumbent president, even a highly incompetent one. And as we can see clearly the Democrats have no clue about supporting candidates who can win. Further, if McCain has Olympia Snowe as his Vice President, she would probably win in 2016 as she is highly competent, albeit a Republican. And at my age, I prefer not to think that far ahead.
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I have nothing against Collins and Snow and I think both McCain and Obama wouyld be wise to consider a qualified woman for their ticket. There's been talk on the republican side of Kay Bailey Hutchinson, but so far she has said she's uninterested. I don't know if Maine would be that important to either candidate since it's not rich in electoral college delegates. I've said all along I want an obama/richardson ticket-- I'd rather Obama not pull from the slim majority in the senate.
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From what I know of her, Kay Hutchinson supports socially conservative positions and is not at all someone I would want to see running for Veep on either ticket, since both sides have a chance this year--mainly because of the complete and utter imcompetence of the white-haired white men who run the DNC.
Collins (not Washington) and Snowe are far more tolerant than Huchinson of other viewpoints, which is what I thought we were both hoping for in any of our preferred candidate! When you throw Maine out with the bathwater, you seem to be suggesting that nominees should be chosen on the basis of how well they can carry states rich in electoral delegates. If that were the case (and I hope it's not, otherwise we might get someone like Schumer or Casey on the ticket), then I assume we can both agree that Hillary Clinton is the proven candidate for carrying the large states rich in delegates.
I believe, in fact, that this is the case Clinton is making with the super delegates. Are we changing positions here, by chance?
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Ohh- I am not saying I think she should run, Rosemary mentioned a female running mate for McCain and I mentioned Hutchinson.
I am not changing positions Anne-shirley, just stating why although I respect Snow and Collins, I'm anxious about a)chosing a senator and pulling from the slim majority b) chosing someone from a state with not many electors and in an area where democrats usually have the most votes to begin with (new england). I realize you don't like me, Anne-shirley and are just trying to trip me up-- hope you find that a productive use of your time and energies.
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