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  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    Hi hope you all having a nice afternoon in the US . I am whacked out...just done a 10 hour shift at subway.

    My tumour is growing fast and I am in a lot of pain my collarbonde and under my arm and my chest wall...this is agressive why wont they take it away.There is a waiting list ...

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited March 2008

    Hi Sue,



    Been thinking of you, and saw your post.



    If you truly are seeing a day to day enlargement of the mass in your breast and other (like lumps under the collarbone, in the armpit etc) then you should march yourself back in to your surgeons office, or clinic, and tell them you're are not leaving without being seen.



    Yes, there is a waiting list in the U.K., yet they are good doctors, and some tumors have a faster growth rate and they know this. So, take a day off from work tomorrow (I know, I know) and go back in and be re-examined.



    You're on track here, Sue. You're right to ensure you stay on track, even though it's emotionally hard to do so.



    Let us know back. And take our a tape measure and measure your lump if you choose to: write it down and do the same tomorrow and so on. A picture of your armpit and collarbone may be very useful.



    We just got to let the doctors know what you're sensing.



    With a gentle shove from the U.S., I am

    Tender



  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    Tender....I will call them from work tomorrow....my collarbone is very painful and my skin on my breast has no got orange peel effect...my lumps i growing and pushing my nipple out..I habe pains under my arm

    going to bed now I am absolutely whacked ...it is 1030pm ..thankyou for all your support ...xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    going to the breast clinic tmw to see surgeon about the rapid growth and pain.Also get my mri scan back...hope they dont find anything else...then whooo ooooo off to work ....I LOVE MY JOB...I will be on tmw night to let all my loving friends know what happens...

    much luff to you all...xxxxxx

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited March 2008



    We'll be keeping you close in our thoughts, Sue, holding your hand across the ocean, sitting near you so you have a shoulder to rest your head on. Knowing you're doing the right thing by going back in now, as difficult as that may be. Laughing through your hours at your beloved job, and thinking positive thoughts about tests and upcoming treatments. You will make it through this, one day followed by another....



    Tender

  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    Tender xxx Everyone on this forum...I have so much loving thoughts and respects for you all.

    Well good evening it is 8pm...just got in from work...

    So today I went to hospital....my MRI  on the opposite breast is fine...thats a relief...altho I do worry if its genetic its not preventable anyway.Relief YES..

    Met my surgeon again and he has arranged a bone scan for 1st OCT because of the pain in my collar bone...I have to have a dye injection and wait 2 hours for the scan...Surprised  how will I sit still and be patient. I asked him how painful my arm would be post op as its my right one and I need it to slam about with at work...he said some people have no probs...just have to wait and see....

     I really want and need to get back to work asap .... do you think I will be OK after 3 weeks or so or maybe 2..or am I pushing it...today I am feeling inconvenienced. The pain is terrible the lump keeps slyly pinching me and I have been telling it to do one all day long Embarassed

     I have also the fear factor of the mastectomy today...and also its all so unreal...please any enlightment on my thoughts always much appreciated...

    love to all ...on a cold rainy night xxxxx across the dark ocean ..... gosh I love to travel .... why oh why

  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    ps two more things my ovarian blood test was fine and I am having an internal ultrasound tomorrow on my ovaries...hope that goes ok xx I am still really worried about my prognosis xx

  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    Also...why do or do must people have chemo if the cancer is in the breast....and why do they have to try different ones if it doesnt work ...when they have had the cancer removed from the mastectomy anyways

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited September 2007

    If you have chemo will depend on the type of cancer and if it has spread into the lymph nodes. If there are cancer cells in the lymph nodes it is possible that the cancer cells may be floating around in your body and the chemo will kill them off.  there are different chemo drugs for different aspects of Cancer based on the specifics of your cancer. I was DX with DCIS with no node involvement, I am not taking chemo or radiation therapy because I opted for doing a bilateral mastectomy with reconstruction. I had earlier problems with pre-cancer ADH in both breasts and I did not want to go through this again. I was out of work 4 weeks after my surgery this summer only because my ps did not want me returning sooner.

    Sheila

  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    gosh 4 weeks thats excellent.Did you have all your lymph nodes out..I am bothered about that bit..you done well aSheila xxx

  • Shirlann
    Shirlann Member Posts: 3,302
    edited September 2007

    Hi Sueps, sounds like you got a little good news, and that is great. Hopefully, a lot more good news will come along.



    They can't possibly know how many lymph nodes they get out. The surgeon just grabs a hunk of flesh under your arm, sticks it in a container, sends it to the pathologist and he digs around, finds lymph nodes, dissects them, and that is that. Some gals have a Sentinel Node Biopsy, where they inject dye in the Sentinel, or I think the important node, and if it is negative, you are good to go. I did not have this since it wasn't invented so long ago.



    Don't worry too much about that, you have to know what it up with these nodes, so just be philosophical, and expect the best. But here's hoping and praying for negative nodes! That would be great.



    Sounds like you are making good progress, and doing all the right things.



    Hugs, Shirlann

  • Karyll
    Karyll Member Posts: 235
    edited September 2007

    Hi Sueps,

    I worked 2 weeks after surgery (right mast) with axillary node dissection. I was instructed not to lift anything over 5 lbs. I was sore but not really IN pain and I did get tired out very easily. I only worked 4 hour days that week. By the third week, I did practically my regular hours although near the end of the week it showed that I was very tired.

    This week has been test central again (4th week post op, one week pre chemo) and so I have been working 6 hour days at work but spending 3 or 4 hours at testing places, or cancer clinics... lol...

    Karyll

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited March 2008

    Oh.. such good news, Sue! You're surgeon didn't apparently find your lump to be majorly increased in size, and you got a clear MRI of the other breast amongst other tests. And your surgeon in a busy NHS system is getting to know you better.



    I'm very proud that you had the courage to go in! Can't really advise you on the back to work stuff though...but getting to know you it will be sooner than later.



    Keeping you and yours and all others here at bc.org in my thoughts.

    Tender

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited September 2007

    Sueps, I had the Sentinel node biopsy and they tested 4 nodes from each arm. I also had restrictions about lifting and did the exercises to regain the movement in my arm, but the best exercise I had was turning on and off my celing fan lights. I am barely 5 ft tall and when I came home from the hospital, I could not reach the pull switches on the fans without stretching, by the end of the week I did not have to strain as much. Like I said earlier I wanted to go back to work part time earlier but my surgeons wanted me to rest for 4 weeks.

    My mom who is a 6 yr survivor drove me everywhere I needed to go for 3 weeks because of the limited movement while driving.

    Sheila

  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    Thx for sharing Sheila you have done really well...I so hope I do as well...I am taking my car off of the road in October just to avoid temptation.Your mum has done ever so well...I truly hope my illness is just a one off....I pray for all of you.

     I went for my internal ultrasound today and that was fine so thats another test out of the way...

     I am just really down with the thought of being laid up...

    Has anyone else had experience of recovery and work along with chemo...I have read that chemo doesnt really help much in stopping it spread....oh my oh my ...I am sinking

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited September 2007

    I wish I could answer your question about working through chemo but I am not taking chemo. The company that my mom worked for (she is now retired) gave her full pay while on disability and she did not work for at least 8 months. The doctors told her that the chemo would help kill any cancer cells that were floating through the body and the rads would kill any cells left in the breast area.

    Sheila

  • Karyll
    Karyll Member Posts: 235
    edited September 2007

    Hi Sueps, I am starting chemo next week and my oncologist said that working during chemo really varies from woman to woman, type of job, and type of chemo. There is sometimes nausea (throwing up is not an option he told me.. lol) and usually a couple of days of extreme fatigue. I am taking the week off after my first chemo to try and map out how I will feel - generally - and then should be able to work some flex hours around it. He assured me I will be able to at LEAST work half time but suspects I will try to do more - He did say that the "people" risk of infection is probably quite great where I work and I have to use very sane judgement in NOT exposing myself to risk while my white counts are low. I dunno, if that helps at all but I think I am having all the same questions right now too and we won't know exactly how we are going to feel, until we actually feel it. Ain't it fun? NOT.... lol

    Karyll

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited March 2008



    Don't sink, Sue.



    Chemotherapy tends to help more in younger women, it's purpose of course being to destroy residual cancer cells around the body. Some do seem to be able to work through chemo, a good percentage can't. Everyone is different and you might just tell your boss you'll go with the flow, if he or she can.



    Great news on the ovary ultrasound! All looks better and better each day.



    Any connection with a local breast cancer support group? They may be able to help in differing ways during treatment.



    Thinking of you and your boys,

    Tender

  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    Good evening all my dear friends...I have just got in from a lovely rough busy energetic day at work...thinking about my operation creeping up and putting extra energy in to work figuring that if I work twice as hard I will make up for being laid up...I cant stand still lol...anyway I have crashed out now.

    Well tonight my lump is sore and I am telling it to do one...

    Karyll thx for your posts they are extremely helpful...you will have to let me know how you get on with chemo...good luck x but I would love you to let me know how you get on...we seem like grafters in the workforce dept...I am a manager...I managed KFC in North Wales for 10 years and now Subway,and I cant put the damn job down..... and of course I have been monitoring how much I use my right arm...I wont be able to hold my knife Cry lol

    I know its not funny and is deadly serious...but I cant envisage all that will go on for fear..this time last month I was A OK.

     I have a bone scan on 1st October...great fun...

    Well I am down if I let it wash over me ...and I am really worried about copping out of the operation...I wont be able to breathe ...see I am getting churned up....

    Hope you are all ok....all these moments will and have to pass xxx

  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    Tender its always lovely lovely lovely to hear off of you.....I will definitely contact the local breast cancer support group if there is one...I just need to hear of other peoples experiences long and short term...

    I will really miss my breast  , I keep looking at it..saying goodbye...all very surreal and sad...

    Thinking of you xx

  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007
    Frown please tell me if I waffle too much and take too much space up on this board...I just like to update and get it off of my chest...excuse the pun x
  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited September 2007

    You come here as often as you need to. We are here to listen to you and help you through the rough times.

    About losing your breast, my husband, the night before my surgery, kissed my breasts and said 'sorry to see you go'. Then he took picts of them to remember them by, also to compare to the 'new girls' when I get them completed.

    We sometimes resort to laughter to get us over the rough times.

    Sheila

  • Isabella4
    Isabella4 Member Posts: 2,166
    edited September 2007

    Sue. I am also in UK and I find you MUST make yourself heard.

    Our NHS system is lacking to say the least. I was not prepared to just be a number, so I started to make a fuss, and stand up for myself. Don't alienate your medical team, rather educate yourself and have questions ready to fire at them, and don't take no for an answer. Make notes on what you want to know, and don't be rushed out of your appointment until you have answers.

    Have you been given a breast care nurse? I found mine could get into the system, and give me results long before my appointment was due, which cut down on my worrying, and got answers for me. If you have a bc nurse lean on her, she will be able to get you quickly to a psychologist, trained to help bc patients. (I was seeing a psychologist within a month of having my mastectomy, and it DID help) 

    Things today are much better than they were 20 years ago, we have moved on, and treatments are so much more advanced.

    Good luck, things will get into order for you, sooner than you think.

    Isabella.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    Sue, it's not only okay to laugh, but necessary. Yes, it's deadly serious, but what good does it do to be serious? Sure doesn't make me feel any better. I find laughing at myself and my boobless state to be far more helpful than crying, talking, or anything else.

    My dear mother had the gift of seeing humor in any situation.  It was how she coped with everything that was falling apart in her life. She especially laughed at herself instead of feeling she was a failure or getting embarrassed. Toward the end when she developed Alzheimers and would forget mid-sentence what she was saying, her eyes would twinkle and she'd say, "Well, I have Alzheimers, you know!" and laugh.

    In the darkness, find a little humor. Like when my daughter asked if removing breasts caused phantom pain like when a leg is amputated. Nipples are sooooo sensitive, she said. Hmmm says I, I haven't heard, but the sensation in my breasts usually isn't painful...I wonder if I'll get phanton pleasure. Or, like a button I saw: "Yes, these are fake. The real ones tried to kill me!" (I'm thinking of doing that at some point.)

    As to the pain in your lump, I had that and it scared me. After surgery, the pathology report mentioned the presence of a small amount of blood inside the tumor, probably caused by the biopsy. I'm convinced that was the source of the pain. I don't know why I didn't think of it! 

    Hang in there! 

  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    Hello All,

    I thought I may not post tonight as I do not want to give my lump any more attention,but sad to say I am panicking...maybe its cos I have tmw off of work and have no big distraction but tonight...

     I fear my operation and that I wont be able to breathe with fear, and the fear of coming round with drains in I am extremely squeamish...and the pain....

     Also tonight I am over obsessing about dying or finding it has spread 2 years down the line...really frightening myself.... Sorry....

    Isabella thankyou for your advice...I do have a breast cancer nurse...she has been very kind in arranging MRI pelvic ultrasound...extra bloods and nxt weeks bone scan...only since I rang her and voiced my concerns about my children living without me etc.... so I have achieved alot in 12 days....

    Towhee...your mum sounds like she was a gift from heaven....your posts are always very warming to me....and so is your calming picture..

    Boy am I scared of the operation etc...tonight I just want to rewind time and never ever to have found out....what if I withdraw from the operation....do people do that and survive..Sorry...maybe I have PMT dawning,maybe its just reality...

  • sueps
    sueps Member Posts: 2,266
    edited September 2007

    Towhee...my pain is comparable to a spot that hurts and needs squeezing but feels like it squeezes it self...obviously on a much granduer scale....takes my breath away....I do feel sorry for it too....I am annoyed with it but I just feel it meant to do no harm...just cells gone wrong....it couldnt help itself....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    Hey, that's exactly how mine felt. It was especially bad at night, probably because there was nothing to distract me from noticing it. When I first got into bed it felt like it was going to explode.

    I had a both breasts removed. I just had four sentinel nodes removed, not a full dissection. Here are my life's experiences with pain, in order of severity:

    1. Broken shoulder 

    2. Childbirth without anesthesia

    3. Abdominal surgery

    4. Pneumonia

    5. Influenza

    6. Mastectomy

    I am three weeks post-surgery. When I reach up or to the side, the incision area pulls and is a little uncomfortable. Sometimes the whole thing starts burning. That's it. Not painful at all, just not "normal" to the point I never notice it.

    Fear...I know what you feel on that issue. I've had surgeries, etc. before, and was frightened, but this was more than just surgery. It was the big C. I took an anti-anxiety pill the night before, held tightly to the hand of someone I cared for, and who was calming to me, right up to the final moment, asked the anesthesiologist to give me something to calm me down the moment he appeared, and focused on my breathing just as I had done when I was in labor. It all helped. I woke up after surgery feeling 1000 times better than I expected. All that fear over nothing. I was embarrassed.  Embarassed

     If you choose to walk away, you likely risk losing your life. We have to be brave through this.  Remind yourself that you will be able to do what you need to do at the time it needs doing. You cannot do today what you need to do the day of surgery. So Sue...what needs doing right now???

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited March 2008



    Hello Sue,



    Just checking back. Sorry the panic has surfaced again. I panic sometimes too, and I just know how it feels like the walls are closing in on you. Usually I talk with someone (like you are) and tell them I'm panicking and why, and eat a little, go for an outdoor activity and at times, take Klonazepam, a fast acting anti-anxiety agent. Chamomile tea, some chocolate, and a nice walk are nice alternatives.



    It finally dawned on me that this may be your first surgery, yes? Gosh, I've had so many that I forgot to ask you about this. Sorry. The first time is the scariest, because of the unknown. To me, the most difficult part was relinquishing myself, and accepting I'm in hands of the surgical team. The nurse (who's your personal angel), the anesthesiologist and the nurse anesthetist (who are angels with drugs), AND the operating room team (who are the third tier of angels, having sterilized everything, and counted the instruments, and keep track of you being placed and removed correctly during the procedure). Oops, almost forget, your surgeon of course! I never wrote a funny mark on my breast, like "this side" or "take from here" or the like, but many patients do, and it, as well as a joke, relaxes the team, endears you to them, and they relax, feel honored, and delve into the job of taking care of you 100% with fervor. And that's what makes a successful team spirit.



    Darn, wish we could move the date up some; I'm getting geared up to go now too. Rah, rah, rah....



    Let's keep focusing on the good news you've had, and making plans like post operative food for the boys, and how they're getting to and from for a while. That'll keep us busy.



    Not one to make light, I do understand Sue. You've been a real BC trooper through this. Sometimes it's good to sit down and have a good cry, and that's o.k. too.



    Thinking of you yesterday, today and tomorrow, I am,

    Tender

    Edit: Oops, sorry Towhee! Didn't mean to bump you like that. Usually I check and wait for a bit, but didn't this time. Glad to hear you're doing well. Keep singing...T
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    Bump? Did I get bumped? That's okay Tender. Smile

    Speaking of writing on yourself, they made me sign my name on each breast that was coming off! Now if it were only one, that makes sense 'cause you don't want the wrong one removed. But hey! I came in to have two removed. I only have two! Maybe they worry that it was the legs that were supposed to come off.

  • Karyll
    Karyll Member Posts: 235
    edited September 2007

    Just before my mastectomy everyone.. and I mean EVERYone came and looked at my paperwork, asked me what surgery I was having ( they had to make sure I was aware and knew) and then after they had done that, they initialed the breast that they were removing. It reminded me of someone with a cast on their leg or arm, that all their friends sign.  I had at least 5 initials on there because there were resident Doctors in on this too... I just got so everytime someone came near, I lifted up my shirt... lol...

    Like you, I was quite terrified - I busied myself with things around the house and tried to get work tidied up for my absence. I knew it had to be done, but I didn't want it to be done. I wondered too if I would just run out of the OR screaming don't DO it but somehow,when you are right there, it is almost surreal (was for me anyway) and really still is. I know what happened, I know that I had a tumor in that breast, I know that I am going for chemo and I know that I might have radiation afterwards too. But what I focus on is -

    Tomorrow I have a muga scan and CT scan. Thats it. And after those scans tomorrow - I will focus on the fact that my first chemo is on Thursday. (unless more tests pop out of somewhere). It's hard, and it's hell and I believe it was Tender that described to me that waiting for tests, and results is like terrorism. It seems like hurry up and wait and then you don't really want to know the answer either, but you can't stand not knowing. Step by baby Step is how I have gotten this far - I know I have a long way to go yet but hey, if I put my focus on just the next foot moving forward, I can cope a bit better.

    This place here, has helped me to do that. The "big" picture is much too intimidating although you can't help but think about it - focusing on just the next bit can help you get through it all one piece at a time. and btw - hugggeeeee greatttt big hugggsss to you - always remember you are loved.

    Karyll

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