Rant away about COVID, the vaccine, etc.

noink2019, my takeaway too. remember this

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-lt-gov-...

hear hear nopink2019. The callousness stings

runor-

I've reviewed your numbers. Your math stinks. It ignores so many factors that it's meaningless. You know it's not just the elderly and immunocompromised who have died.

Where's the cost in your calculations due to the loss of HCWs? We have art made from the faces of those killed by COVID. We have lost capacity in hospitals due to death, disability, and burnout. Many were in the prime of their lives. Other young people died or survive with long covid. We have a new disabled group from all ages including kids. We have other deaths due to hospitals unable to provide quality care.

We continue to vaccinate the world against infectious diseases contained here (polio, measles, etc), so it seems trying to vaccinate the world at the same time because of the new virus isn't out of this world thinking.

Still glad you're on the other side of the country and delighted you're not in charge of health policy anywhere.

Flattening the curve was always to protect the healthcare system.

runor subscribes to the idea that we should have let the virus do it's thing. Her news sources have led her to this insane idea.

Trishyla, may your neighbor Ina Mae rest in peace. When people describe the elderly as expendable because they may or may not have several if not a little more than a decade of years left, it makes me sad. All I could think of is when my own 86 year old grandmother passed away, not from covid but from a serious illness. She was a beautiful person and made an impact on everyone she met. Her funeral had many many attendees. But regardless of how wonderful she was, we know she suffered in the end. I hate thinking of how many of those elderly who succumbed to Covid suffered in the end. To live such a beautiful life and then fight like what is described, for weeks. It's a tragedy no matter what, and often times alone. It makes me cry knowing this.

runor your attitude is horrifying. From a purely logical perspective, if I squint really hard and hold my breath, I can *almost* see what you are driving at. And maybe if covid was only affecting those in their 90s who already had health issues more people would agree with you. But that is simply not the case. Basically anyone over 60 is at higher risk and in the western world most 60 years old are looking forward to many more years, if not decades, of life. Hell on this very site many, many women in their 60s and older are scrapping and fighting and doing everything in their power to scrape out a few more years before cancer kills them. Would you advocate that anyone over 60 shouldn’t get treatment because they’re pretty close to dead anyway?!! Of course you wouldn’t — but that is just how cavelior and awful your words sound.

Thank you, AlwaysMeC. She was a wonderful person. She's one of the reasons both of my daughters became teachers. I will miss her as much as I miss my mom.

Trish

KBL — people have given you facts and articles over and over again and you dismiss them as not quite the right facts for you. People have responded about monoclonal antibodies and their governors. You ask and people bend over to try to help and explain — then you move the goalposts. We rant about something and we get accused of attacking.

I don’t believe that runor actually wants anyone to die — but I still find her attitude horrifying. Is this a personal attack on runor? I don’t see it as one, but maybe I’m wrong about that.

KBL I don't think I have once attacked you or anyone else personally on this thread. However, I feel that your bringing up other topics which you believe should serve as a moral measure is not fair because there are many ways people can practice their ethical responsibilities that may not be included in your measurement. The topic is ranting about Covid related matters, and some members feel like ranting about uninformed people. If you feel informed then I say look the other way, and let them rant.

The topic has nothing to do with Afghanistan, or De Santis, or helping the poor. It's about Covid.

I for one, respect your sharing of information even some I don't necessarily agree with. If you truly believe in choice, then freedom of expression should be no different. Nobody is actively threatening harm to you personally. The very definition of ranting includes scolding vehemently (Merriam Webster). If ranting is what you intended, then some of these members are doing exactly that towards the majority of anti vaxxers. If you are not an anti vaxxer then ignore it. I know you aren't an antivaxxer because you have already said so, and I believe you.

Oh, wow, KBL, seriously???

"Off subject. How many of you are morally right and have helped the homeless or the poor get dignified living conditions or any other number of things that this world sucks at. Give examples of other things you've done for the betterment of this world. You can cloak it in the betterment and moral thing to do, but the most important people you are trying to protect is yourself and your family."

You have no idea what ANY of us do within our communities or for the greater good. THIS subject is completely off topic, a straw man. THIS is not okay. PLEASE DON'T suggest this kind of thinking again. NONE of us need to justify what we do or don't do. The topic is COVID. Got it?

KBL,

If you want to debate Afghanistan, that's a whole other topic. I speak Dari (not well anymore) and lived in Kabul for two years. Yes, the withdrawal could have been handled better but the situation in Afghanistan was never going to change for the better. Was I surprised that their president fled and their military, which we poured untold dollars into, simply gave up without even an effort to fight for their own country? Nope, it truly was inevitable. No country, the British, the Russians, have ever bent Afghanistan to their will for one simple reason. They have all failed to understand to understand the complexities and totally non-western attitudes of the country. We simply have no framework to understand a tribal/clan based society and have made little effort to do so.

Ok, now back to vaccines!

PS: What personal attacks? And yes, bringing up all those other things fits the straw man bill to a tee

Let's not go in attack mode against runor. We all are trying to make sense of what is going on and how did we end up where we are. My uncle died of Covid-19 at age 87. For most of us cancer patients, we won't make it till then. Who is paying the price? His grandchildren and all other children who got stuck at home to protect us and the elders. These kids are paying the price with high depression rates. Recently, my friend's father, 84 yr old who was vaccinated got covid and he is been in bed for 4 weeks and can't even go to the bathroom by himself. I wonder from all the data we read, how many got back to normal life and how many are alive but bedridden.

Also, my personal opinion is comparing the chickenpox vaccine and the covid vaccine is like apples to oranges. People took one shot of the chickenpox vaccine that protected them for life. The covid vaccine has become profitable for Big Pharma who wants to sell and make a profit from its invention every 6 months!