Lost my will to live
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Micmel
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WC3
I suspect I have an endocrine issue too that's responsible for a couple of my chronic issues and the fact that it doesn't matter how hard I exercise and how good or more calories burned then taken in (the only time I really lose weight is when I don't eat.at all) I have two people tell me they had family members with similar issues and after they got diagnosed by an endochrineologist they are much better.
I have asked five times to two different doctors to be referred to one so I can at least be sure.explained the reason why and everything. I have been turned down all five times. Unfortunately I can only see a specialist unless I'm referred.
Small update: complications, in under 48 hours my left breast has doubled in size so guess who's spending most of tommorow morning in the PS clinic (everybody is gone today)getting checked out to see what is going on instead of going to cancer support group because I won't be able to get there in time after I am released. Right now I got me an ice pack and a few choice curses for the left frankenboobie that's suddenly acting up out of nowhere after all these weeks. And so it goes....
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hey girl, you're always in my thoughts. I think about you a lot actually. If you have a family history of endocrine problems I would just keep pushing for that referral. If you have no abnormal blood work or other signs and symptoms that might be why but in the end I have found that doctors really don't take me seriously unless I am extremely persistent. And I'm not saying that you haven't been, I'm saying keep trying until you find the right doctor. On another note, I remember reading you saying that you had tried two different antidepressants in the past. I was not correctly diagnosed with my bipolar disorder until I was almost 30 years old. I was on every wrong medication in the book. I tried upwards of five different antidepressants. What it boiled down to was I was misdiagnosed. I wasn't just depressed, I was bipolar. So the point in me telling you all this is to not give up on psych meds all together. If you're in such a dark place now it seems at least worth it to check it out with another psychiatrist. Tell them your history, tell them what you've tried, and have an open mind to what they suggest. I had to try several different combinations of meds before I got on something where all of a sudden... I realized I started to feel human again. Sending you all the love in the world, J
FYI this was all done through talk to text and I haven't had a chance to read through it yet so if there's some weird things I will be back to edit it shortly :-)
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Jo, I seem to recall that you had been seeing a psychiatrist, am wondering if he'd be willing to refer you to an endocrinologist? also, have you seen your dietitian recently? especially after surgery, you need adequate intake of protein etc., but you are dealing with budget constraints, so perhaps she can check whether you are getting all the necessary nutrients from the foods that you can afford. if you're coming out short, perhaps you might qualify for food stamps, or look into a local food bank. Take care.
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Jadedjo:
Is there any possibility of relocating to a better health care district?
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I'm glad everyone is sharing here. Sending ((((hugs)))) your way! What a wonderful bunch of caring people.
JJo, I'm sorry to hear of your need to visit the doctor instead of going to the support group. I hope it works out to do both. Extra ((((Hugs)))).
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Bubble beard
Thanks .There are discrepancies in my blood work but they just keep saying "oh it's not enough to be worried. Most of my CBC's have more then half abnormal buts like a couple points over or under what it's supposed to be. I've been persistent we can't change doctors left and right here, and most of them have set ideas about fat people and assume they are right and it's because we are fat and it's not something else. I feel human, I feel like a human that got screwed over by life so much that she can't see the good anymore. Even the shrink agrees with me there,which is why he said antidepressants probably wouldn't help. There are some things a pill can't fix.
Oxygen18
I also haven't seen him since august and even then he would just say ask my family doctor which I have. Twice. I think with my protein powder yogurt I'm getting enough so far. I put three heaping tsps in. I can't use the food bank even if they had food I could eat because I'm still on weight restriction which I've had to break a couple times to bring home groceries (I don't have anybody to help me though I try to distribute to each side evenly and keep it to what's needed)and thanks to the new complication that is probably going to last even longer.its on the left side that there were issues with after surgery and is bigger then the other so no one is really surprised.i think they phased out food stamps here along time ago nobody uses them anymore.
WC3
The entire city is the health Care district it doesn't matter where you live in it.also I can't afford to move if I could I would have been out of here when they started letting questionable tenants in, one of them who is now responsible for the bed bug infestation. Also I would move someplace which isn't the top floor of a walk up, even healthy able bodied people have difficulty with the stairs here. I don't have any other options. The other places that are the rent price I'm paying now have more then bed bugs crawling around and to be honest there weren't any until recently.
Ceanna
Thank you
I suspect there's gonna be a needle in a boob to drain fluid involved so I already let the group coordinator know what's going on and that I wasn't going to be there. After the wait time,whatever they decide to do and then the bus ride there and back I just want to curl up on my bed with an ice pack on lefty frankenboob and watch super girl on Netflix and leverage on DVD.
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Had to remove the steristrips today and it looks even worse then I thought. With Casper white skin I have deep red welts where they cut open. At least the steristrips hid it. I'm not going to lie I sobbed for a few minutes. This is hitting me way harder the i thought it would. I know how easily I scar and how obvious it is on my skin and I know what way they were going to cut me open but it still hit me like a semi truck every time I saw the strips and now the scarring.i think it's because I always saw my body as ugly and a betrayer (it's constantly causing a life ruining chronic illness just when things would go my way is the reason for that) but now I feel it looks horrific. I feel damaged beyond repair. I guess my body now matches my mind.
I thought I had run out of tears with this awful life but it's managing to squeeze what remains out with this.
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Jadedjo - please hang in there. I was so horrified and honestly furious when I was diagnosed at 40. I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis at 19 and always lived with the embarassment and fear of my bowels. I didn't get married til 33. 33. I had seven years of sex and my poor younger husband - wife with frankenboobs and a 2 year old just 7 years later. I've recurred once already and now my new boss took away our good health care coverage - 2 months before I thought I had time to finally get nipples, now I'm stuck with barbie scarred boobs because the out of pocket is so high, I can't bring myself to spend it all on these dumb boobs when my baby (now 9) may have an illness or need for the money. You sound like someone very passionate and driven. I hope you don't give up - with such a good (shitty diagnosis of cancer) at stage 1A - even with other medical issues, if you can have just a few years run of decent luck you can foster, volunteer kids or furry kids. There are so many kids caught up in the nightmare drug epidemic even to meet or do church or civic activities with people who have survived hell - can make all the difference for them. My friend is fostering a 12 year old who is getting straight As now with her. His piece of crap mom doesn't even sober up to show up at her bi monthly visits and he's aware of why she's absent. When I was diagnosed, i morbidly read about the Holocaust victims. Talk about shit luck. Whatever you have to do, get mad at us, life, this disease - many of us here are concerned and praying for you - sending you strength.
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First of all, I am so sorry that you feel you have no reason to live, Jo. I was diagnosed Stage 1A with no node involvement last year, very similar to your diagnosis. I chose no reconstruction and I have no regrets. I did not have radiation or chemo.
I have read all of your posts and everyone's comments since the first post on this thread. I can hear the frustration you feel but even more, I hear everyone else trying so valiantly to help you but to no avail. My heart breaks for those who are struggling with III, IV, mets, and horribly painful treatments. They have been through and are still going through so much and yet they are putting aside their own pain and trying so hard to help you. But no matter how hard they try, and for whatever reason, it's not working.
Please understand that I am not making light of your situation. But we all have horrible disfiguring scars to look at, many have absolutely nobody to lean on or live for, and yet we all get up in the morning and put one foot in front of the other. Some have to go to work no matter how much pain they are feeling, some have to take care of screaming kids even though they feel like shit, and some of us have to take a little blue pill just to get through the day and not sit in a corner and cry all day.
There are birds, butterflies, crickets, frogs, flowers, leaves, snow, sun, rain, etc. out there and the list goes on and on. Surely if you look around, there is one tiny thing you can find that's positive and maybe even be thankful for. Oh yeah - there are all these others who keep responding to your posts, desperately trying to help. That certainly is something to be thankful for.
I really hope I haven't offended you or anyone else. It was not my intention. I just feel like everyone is banging their heads against a wall, trying to help, but they are being pushed away.
I wish you only the best and I hope you are able to find something to hang on to.
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Hi Jo. I'm sorry you're still feeling lousy, and I'm sorry you're dealing with bedbugs, and I'm really sorry you weren't able to keep your nipples, that probably really hit home when you took the steristrips off and got a good look at what you have on your chest now. I'm holding out hope that you can climb out of this and find something to hold onto. Maybe a hobby, or volunteering someplace, or new people in your life, whatever. I'm still here for you, though I don't think there's much I can do to help you right now. Best of luck with the PS tomorrow. Let us know how it goes.
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Hi Jaded - good luck tomorrow, I too am headed tomorrow to the plastic surgeon, going to have surgery for nipple reconstruction. Not even sure I am making the right decision, I also call my boobs frankenboobs everyone thinks I am being morbid. I had DIEP Flap although happy overall the scars are still there. Enough about me, hang in there girl, thinking about you and sending you good vibes. When all of this is under control, take a breather and do something for yourself wether its watching your favorite show, movie or book. Promise all of us you will do something even if it is small, something good for yourself.
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Snickersmom
Can't explain it to people who haven't lived or experienced it and I'm done trying. I get it there are people worse off then me. I am very much aware of that fact. I keep being told that this is a place to release frustrations but it keeps being the opposite. I don't ask for advice I'm just stating facts. My frustrations. I think I mentioned before that a bunch of strangers on the internet is the only place I have someone to talk to.I have done the majority of what people suggested a thousand times over and some are just out my hands and impossible to do either becaus finances or life situations or honestly some times it's just because I live in a crap city in a crappy province that has little to no support for people who are in the beginning or middle of diagnosis Moving is not a possibility so I'm stuck here. I'm grateful for people rwaching out don't get me wrong but most every body seems to be suggesting but not listening to what I'm saying. So Ok I guess it's back to keeping this shit to myself and just losing myself to my iPhone games and DVDs.at this point I should know better but sometimes life gets the best of me and I need to get crap out. Mistakenly once again it turns out this isn't the place for it becaus instead of hearing why I can't or m unable to follow their suggestions people seem to think I'm ungrateful because I don't. I'm not ungrateful I am thankful that there are good people on here who seem to care. More then the actual people in my real life actually.The whole looking for something to be thankful for got me through the past 5 years and it wasn't as if the first 39 years weee candies and lollipops either but the past five had me wondering if I had died already and I was in Hell being punished. Then I got cancer. I'm done looking.
Hapa
Bless you for trying and wanting to but there isn't anything you can do or anyone for that matter.i need a bloody miracle something huge enough that the balance I should have in life and haven't had for close to two decades (equally good and bad through each year,mine has been mostly bad) would need to happen. Thee are no miracles for me. Hard lesson learned.
People seem to forget that I'm still going through this not past it so many of my reactions especially like to my body which like I have mentioned I already had issues with are stark and In the moment. Maybe I will finally accept the scars eventually big maybe but I saw them for the first time today (I didn't look at the appts) my post there was my reaction to the first time view of what has been done to my body because of this stupid cancer.
I've done the volunteer thing, I've done the hobby thing,the past five years have robbed any joy I got from either. Although I am crocheting a purple and metallic wide popcorn stitch scarf to work the hand and arm muscles led that seemed to have stiffened up slightly since surgery. I don't get any joy from it anymore it's more a practical thing, I need to work my fingers and arms and I need a nice warm thick scarf that can completely wrap around my head and the some cause it's gonna be a nasty winter this year.
In all honesty God and the Universe screwed up, because for two years I been sending out no actually begging both "give me a reason to live, a reason to keep going because I'm barely hanging on."
Breast cancer was my answer.
Instead of pushing me to want to live it had the opposite effect and made it the last straw that broke me that pushed me into giving up on life altogether.
It is what it is, I'm tired of trying to change things that never do no matter how hard I try and no matter how much I sacrifice.
Thank you deeply.
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Kcmc
Already am actually I mention in the previous post that due to winter is coming and gonna be nasty and the need to movement exercise fingers and arms ( pretty much lower arms as upper barely move) I am crocheting a royal purple and metallic (also purple mixed with yarn)wide popcorn stitch scarf that hopefully will be long enough that I can wrap it around enough my head and face will mostly be completely covered. I might look like I got a giant lollipop on my head but in a place that temps can drop to -40's celsius and then some I will take lollipop over frostbite and snotcicles.
Much luck and plentiful healing with little pain to you. Hope everything goes well. Best wishes.
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I truly hope that you don't stop reaching out Jadedjo. All of these suggestions are just us grasping at straws because we do care. We don't know you, we've never met, none of us are in the same situations... But we do care.
I know that when you're in an incredibly dark place suggestions that you've tried can be not just frustrating but angering. I have been listening to you and I hear you. When you're at that point that you just don't want to hear it anymore and you've disappeared inside yourself. I really have been there, for different reasons. But I've been there. I did manage to crawl back out, that's all I can say. And yes you can say it was because I had a support system but without going into detail, at the time I did not. Let's just say it addiction is a nasty thing. Not only does it destroy families and individuals but it changes people forever. Anyway I kind of digress.
The last thing I want to say here is; I heard you and I'm sorry it sucks. I'm sorry that you feel there's nowhere left to go. I'm not going to make any more suggestions or tell you to get a dog or to try another psychiatrist. You were heard. And without judgment.
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Bubblebeard
Thank you. I wish I could have a pet but no pet policy and also it wouldn't be fair to the animal because I can barely afford to feed myself. Not gonna lie though I could have used one this past few months.
Sadly they won't refer me to a new shrink. The appt I talked about being just diagnosed with cancer he acted bored out of his skull. I had to repeat myself many times because he was distracted. The one time I needed him the most he completely failed me.It's why I stopped going. I get maybe he had a busy day but I was talking about something devestating and serious he could have taken the 45 min to pay attention.The doctor who referred me to him said he wouldn't refer me to another one.we were not a good match. At all. I wish one of the doctors would refer me to someone else.theres almost a year long waiting list. Too many people need help not enough helpers. In this city as sad as it is to say I would get help faster if I was an alcoholic or drug addict. Learned this from looking for help for two years.
i come from a family of addicts and alcoholics, my dad was a drunk the first ten years of my life and not only did affect my mom ( she was quite violent those years)it damaged me permanently. only good thing that came out of it is as much as sometimes I really want to so I don't have to deal with this life I don't touch alcohol or drugs.the few times I have had booze (it's been close to six years,wow) I limit myself the most 2 shots of hard liquor or three cocktails cause I'm a big girl and that amount barely affects me.also the place I grew up had a bad drug and alcohol problem so what I didn't see at home I saw around my school mates and friends.where I live now has a huge meth,opioid problem so I am still seeing it.
I suspect growing up around that especially the first ten years of my life is one of the biggest contributors to why I'm so damaged at this age.im sorry you had your own experience with it. I wouldn't wish it on anybody on both sides of it.
I do appreciate that your listening and I deeply thank you for it.
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if you ever need to vent i am here. If you want to just reply here or send me a private message
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Jade, I'm making one last suggestion, take it or leave it as you please. Would you consider trying Al-Anon? It's the AA for family members of substance abusers. You will find a group of people at meetings that COMPLETELY understand where you're coming from....and a place to vent all the understandable pain you suffer. As survivors we all know how important it is to find support from those that have gone thru it all. This group doesn't just meet up, they have social programs as well..a place to meet like minded friends....which you need in your life. They also have a place to get involved with running the program. My neighbor went thru 30 years of hell with an alcoholic husband until his death...she still goes to Al-Anon, it's her crutch. Check it out....
https://al-anon.org/al-anon-meetings/
Meetings can be day, night, different days etc.
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Please don't think that those of us who've been offering suggestions haven't been listening, we have! Personally, I'm a thinker, not a feeler, and I approach problems more like a typical man - "What can I do to fix it?" On that note, know that if there's something you need from this thread and our replies that you aren't currently getting, just type it and we will do it!
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I am done with these threads. So many women have bent over backwards, given of themselves, fought past their own issues - all to help you, Jo. But no matter what they say, you push back with negativity. I learned a long time ago that negativity can drag us down. I had a great childhood but then lived thru 12 years of an abusive marriage. I did finally get out and away from him and am now married to a wonderful man. Cancer came at a time in my life when I just didn't have time for it. But it showed up anyway. I was Stage 1A and after seeing the posts from all of these wonderful women who have never given up and continue to fight, I realize I have absolutely nothing to complain about. I had no radiation, no chemo, just a little pill for a couple of years. Scars? You bet. And those scars remind me that I survived. Overweight? Yup (thanks to Arimidex and food). Depression? Yup. Still struggling. But I don't have the scars from radiation, still have hair, and not throwing my guts up every minute of the day. I know that I would do all of the nasty treatments if I had to because l'll be damned if I will let cancer control me. And I will do whatever it takes. Yes, I am supported by mt family but at the end of the day, I fight because I want to. I will be the winn
I have relatives who live in a far northern state where it easily hits -40 to -45 every winter. If it gets that cold where you are, go to Goodwill or AA or ACS and ask for help. I see that you have an IPhone so you must be able to afford to make a phone call or go get help. And if you are so severely depressed, no licensed psychiatrist or psychologist or counselor would turn you away.
As I read what I've just written, I see that I am not only getting angry but also very sad. So many are reaching out past their own struggles to try to help but are getting nowhere.
I do wish you only the best and I hope that you will reach out to the resources you must have around you. All it takes is the use of positive energy. If all of these Stage III, IV, mets women can find that positive energy, so can you.
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Jaded - I have read your posts different times since you first started posting. I think I responded only a couple of times. It seems that nothing that anyone offers makes any difference for you. And sometimes - things are just that way. I'm guessing that you use this forum as a way to vent and that fulfills it's purpose in your life. Many other people come here looking for answers or providing help and so it becomes hard for them to just take in what you're writing and not offer some suggestions to you.
I'm very sorry that your life is such that you wish it was over. I hear the pain and disappointment repeated here. I don't think that any of us can really help you.
I do want to tell you that I think you're a great writer. You have a rare mix of conveying tragedy and humor - dark as it is. I think you probably have a lot to offer the world and am sad that you've not been appreciated enough.
I hope things go well today and that you get some answers.
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Hey, hey, hey, hold the phone....part time reader here (i have 5 sisters (2 with bc) that I vent on so I don't post much) but I have followed since JJo started the thread.
Snickersmom, please don't take it personally. You and everyone else are on bc.org FOR support and TO support. Please do not exit-your posts are very meaningful and a huge contribution to this site.
JJo, vent all you damn well please-let it out girlfriend because this is the place to do it. But please know that we're going to listen and we're going to respond....good grief, we're women, that's what we do!!!!! I am sorry for the shitty hand you've been dealt, but please don't fold 'em. It's way to early in the game. Me and others are sending good vibes, prayers, positive thoughts....stop and feel the love! I think of you daily; you're on my morning roll call prayer list. It's all I can do from Michigan. BTW-can you post a picture of your scarf-royal purple and metallic. Would that be metallic gold? Are you a closet Canadian Vikings fan? Anyway, a homemade scarf sounds heavenly since the November chill is here and the white stuff will be flying soon.
Sending everyone big hugs for a great weekend wherever your are on this journey.
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Bubble beard
Thank you.
Egads007
I will consider it, thank you.
Summer angel
Thank you, I appreciate it.
Snickersmom
If you have issues with these kind of posts, maybe you shouldn't come into posts titled I lost my will to live. We are two different people with different life experiences who approach life differently.im not going to change who I am just because you or anybody else think it's wrong.do t know how to break the news to you sunshine but I HAVE been turned away repeatedly because I'm not and addict or alcholic and most programs and counsler are geared for them. I'm single and childless I don't qualify for most programs for the poor.I HAVE TRIED!I am what I am. Maybe keep your judgements to yourself instead of insulting me or making false jusdgements or assuming things that aren't true because there might be things available where you are but they aren't where I am. The world isn't the same all over.
You just make sure I feel like the one place I had to turn to I can't. So you are not the the only one feelignnangry and sad right now..I've done the positive thinking thing all it did was make the disappointment and hurt deeper when things failed.You had to know coming into a post titled lost my will to live there weren't going to be any rainbows.Thank you for your well wishes. But seriously if posts like this bother you stay out of them and don't make the people who are feeling this way and have every right to be feel like more crap then they do already.my days suck enough already.
Notverybrave
Thank you, I did mention in response to another that I have nobody to talk to in the real world to express my fears and such and writing in journals doesn't work for me in release. So I post on here. Sometimes life just doesn't work out for some people, that one extra thing is the thing that breaks them and I happen to be one of those people.i know nobody can help.
Update: my body being my body reduced the swelling overnight so when I went to the clinic it was back to what it was before. Silver lining I can now where the zip up sports bras I bought recently so the uncomfortable surgical bras are only for nighttime and my weight limit has been upped to under 15 pounds if I carry equally so it was worth the bus tickets.
Thanks.
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Well that was weird. Glad the outcome was good and you're more comfortable now though.
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JJo, Yay, good news on the sports bra front!! I'm still wearing the zip front sports bras from post surgery. I also went to Hanes stretchy pullover bras for nighttime (I did not like the surgical bra one bit). They come in 2pk at Sam's Club-fairly priced. Instead of pulling the bra over my head (because we know that's impossible post surgery) , I would step into the bra like a skirt and pull it up over my hips. And I was a size 12 then...
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Just want to echo that I hear ya hon! Feel for ya. Wish there was something I could offer or say that would help, but I know there's really nothing and that's ok. What you need is not suggestions or straws, you just need to vent and to be heard. Cuz right now, you are at the bottom looking up, in the cave in the dark, huddled in the cold, seemingly alone....it's an awful place to be but one you are entitled to. You've experienced your life...not me.
I can only relate to you through what I've been through myself, and how like Bubblebeard said, she and also I managed (seperately obviously since we don't know each other lol) to crawl out of that place. It can happen. It's not a given. It's not promised. I don't know the secret to it. I just know I'm alive. All I can say is that I gave up a million times, I've been there done that, and nothing helped for me (despite me having had a support system, good docs, friends, etc) until one day it just "did". And I found myself wanting to laugh with my pup, smiling at the sun, enjoying the wind (cold it was though) on my face, laughing in the shower as the water tickled my neck (thank you Mindfulness)...all very gradual...slower than molasses and even looking back I can't really pinpoint the day only the year --> 2016. Hoping your one day/one year happens along sooner than later, but if not, I'm here for you every step of the way. No matter what.
On the factual front - I know the ironic feeling of heading to the dr only to have the issue clear up or improve drastically while on the way or leading up to it. Frustrating! It's like, "yo body, you bug the hell out of me for a week and just when someone is gonna see you and fix it, you disappear???! wtf! no fair!" Uggggh! But I am thankful that for you the bus ride was worth it, that you're in some more comfy supportive bras equaling out to less pain and more comfort. You need that! Horarry for that silver-lining.
I love the scarf and knitting! Sounds warm and so cozy! Share picts if you wish to - the colors sound wonderful. And I agree, are you a secret Vikings fan? LOL, this MN girl wants to know!
Hugs to you from the soon-to-be-frozen MN Nice land!
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This thread is an invitation to those who are hopeless and those who are inspired to offer hope. It is a place to share and bare one's deepest fears. It is not a place to refuse empathy, encouragement, hope, and a sincere effort to offer advice from those who have walked this unforgiving path with all the heartbreak, destroyed dreams and shattered lives left in its wake. Everyone of us is alone regardless of our state in life. No family member or friend or even doctors can fully understand our delimma -carrying cells in our bodies that maim, torment, and will eventually take many of our lives. A good rule of thumb when feeling utterly hopeless is do something for someone else. We all have a purpose to still be drawing breathe in the midst of this malestrom of cancer. It may be the simplest thing as a smile to a cashier at the grocer or holding the door for a person struggling to get through the door. The little ways we respond to strangers placed in our lives free us from moments of despair, strengthen us and open our eyes to others who are holding out an open hand to walk with Us on our journey.
Jadedjo, I wish you peace and hope, and look forward to hearing your progress in healing of spirit. Hugs. Jo -
JJo, glad to hear the swelling is better. I hope that means you were able to go to the support group meeting today. Please feel free to continue to vent here. I'm listening and offering you (((((((hugs))))))))!!!
You are a writer at heart and I know I suggested before, but perhaps now that surgery is behind you, you may want to look into blogging about your experiences with the Canadian healthcare system or breast cancer--so others can benefit from your experiences.
Also, as I read of your locale (short time periods of sunshine, the natural source), have you ever looked into, or been tested for, low Vitamin D levels. At a low point in my life, I found out through testing, that my Vit. D levels were at the bottom of the range. It wasn't an instant change, but by using low-cost Vit. D3 capsules (I take 5000 IU per day), I feel more like myself. Send me a private message if you want more information about this or just want to vent.
For Everyone!!! ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Hugs))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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Dear JadedJo,
There is no way that I could read such heartbreak and despondency and not reach out, offering love and hope.
My first marriage was to someone who struggled with alcoholism. It lasted 16 years, and during that time, I supported him by attending AA meetings and not drinking myself. I was very young, but I learned a lot about people who struggle to even survive a day. They literally have to take it "one day at a time." I learned so much. (Please don't think I am guessing you drink too much!) What I learned were life skills on how to survive when you are at your lowest. I also worked in a psychiatric hospital for two years, and have witnessed how defeated the human spirit can feel, with all of the manifestations because of it.
There is an idiom that they say, and please don't take offense to it, but it's called "stinkin' thinkin'." Our negative thoughts about our lives, our future, God and His treatment of us, or denial of Him, our trials and tribulations, can be so powerful, that even if you don't have a suicide plan worked out, the dark force in this world may one day lead you to that end.
In order to hold on to life, part of the recovery for those who cling on day to day is to believe in a Higher Power. Not just a Higher Power, but a benevolent Higher Power. When you see such sadness in this world, and have had an unbelievable number of setbacks, I can see how you would think about God in a negative light. But there is hope in the fact that you do not deny His existence.
My father committed suicide in 1987, and although he was having intestinal health issues, all the negativity in his head, his self focus, and the dark forces in this world led him down a mental meandering path of thinking of the futility of his life, even though my sister was only eight years old, and adored him. He wavered between agnosticism and atheism. He had no hope, for he had no God.
I know that for myself, an unbelievable number of setbacks has been a theme in my life. I take one step forward, and two steps back. This is not of my own volition. I may be getting back on course with exercise, then get plantar fasciitis in my foot all of a sudden. I may make strides and earn a teaching credential, but then become the stage 4 cancer patient knocked out with fatigue from treatment, and unable to work.
I may build up stamina through good nutrition and exercise, just to be knocked back again with a miserable flu. I may move to a new city that supposedly has better special education support for my middle school child, only to find out it is all a facade on paper, and have to pull him out to homeschool him myself. These are but a few examples. Believe me when I tell you that it is a theme in my life. It happens so often, it enters into the realm of absurdity.
I know you said that you didn't want to hear about God. But please bear with me with one profound scripture that is an explanation for these strange and uncanny setbacks:
You are gripped by darkness, Jo. When you see your strides towards light being sabotaged by darkness, you are witnessing spiritual forces at work. Darkness sets up the obstacle. Faith in Light overcomes it, so that Light brings your life into the full fruition of His plan for you. He prepares you for it by the process of resistance. Just as a body builder tears down muscle tissue by great exertion, it grows back stronger.
I want to share a beautiful poem with you. It has had a great positive influence upon me, as well as countless others. It is the Desiderata by Max Errmann. He was a lawyer and a poet, with profound words of wisdom.
Jo, God has healed me twice completely. There is no active cancer in my body. I waited seven years to undergo reconstruction. I had it done last year. I chose it to re-establish symmetry. All insurance companies are obligated by federal law to pay for reconstruction. I don't regret it. I think it could be something to uplift your spirits.
Please don't discount the power of Tamoxifen. It is a daily pill. You may find you tolerate it very well. Although everything looks good, it just takes a few cells in your blood that you don't know about to lodge themselves somewhere. Tamoxifen will starve them because you are hormonally positive. The first five years are extremely important after diagnosis. I only took Tamoxifen two years, and I paid the price. I thought the pain I was in was because of the Tamoxifen. I was wrong. It was because of the aftermath of chemo. Please don't follow my foolish mistake.
Gentle hugs for you, (((((((Jo))))))))
Many blessings,
Janet ❤️
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I am not judging or insulting you, Jo. I am just pointing out that there are so many people who are reaching out to you and trying to help, but you are turning us all away. I came on this thread a while back, thinking that maybe I or someone else could say something to help, but I think it seems pretty obvious that you just want to vent.
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JJo,
First, let me say you are AMAZING!!!
I have been following this thread, as well as others you have posted on, and through all the depression, despair and adversity I have witnessed an amazing strength and resilience. Has that occurred to you yet? Holy shit...if my situation had been like yours, I'm ashamed to say I don't think I would have had the fortitude you've demonstrated. You have cried and lashed out, but you've also survived and made do at every roadblock presented to you (and it sounds like plenty of 'em).
Think about it... you've budgeted what sounds like a very limited amount of money to ensure you can eat. You've handwashed bras and hung to dry when you probably felt too weak to hold your head up. You've taken public transportation to and from critical procedures, and walked sidewalks and climbed stairs to get home. In the midst of chaos, you've kept a level head and made your plan of attack for all the adversity you're facing, even down to knitting a scarf to work your hands and arms. Unfortunately, you've had to do everything alone, but that's what makes it so incredible.
I would bet that almost everyone here has had help along this path of hell, but YOU have done it all by yourself!!! I wonder how many of us (myself included) would have buckled under long ago, yet you're still keeping on.
The past sucks, and I'm sorry life has handed you such a crappy hand... it's so not fair! But so far, regardless of what's been thrown at you, your survival percentage is 100%. That says so much about you as a strong woman.
People like me have so much to learn from someone like you. I get upset over a hangnail, and someone cutting m off in traffic can ruin my whole day. You've faced things that I'm sure lots of others couldn't even fathom.
Whatever you decide is your business, and I'm not trying to change your mind about it. But I did want to offer my perspective, as I see someone who is stronger than most, and has so much to offer once you get through this mess.
Much love and respect my friend,
Vickki
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