Vitamins for what ails you

Rosemary44 · April 2006

Not to be missed from the news out today that we should be supplementing vitamin D3:

Supplements contain the D nutrient, but most contain an old form, D-2, that is less potent than the harder-to-find D-3.

Multivitamins typically contain little D-2 and include vitamin A, which offsets many of D's benefits.

The news out today is not new as you can see by this abstract about Vit. D and breast cancer:

http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content...=&fulltext=

It's this research into vitamin D which may turn out to be the most important:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3542344.stm

This abstract is more to the point about the benefits of calcium and vit. D combined with a low fat diet in preventing BC.

http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/18/...;resourcetype=1

beachcottage · April 2006

Rosemary thank you
for keeping us up to date

How have you been

I am back on WW
going strong
this time
around...

xoxo
Patti

Sierra · April 2006

Hi Rosemary:

Yes, K is good, we dont get much up
here in Canada, that is we can not buy
it..
Yes, again,, that last dose should be at night
and danged, I always forget it.. It even helps sleep
Ill get them out tonight.. My vitamins are always
split up.. per D'Adamo.. (who is excellent)

Also, while I am in here,,
is anyone on OIL OF OREGANO?? PLSE

Have a great day Rosemary!

Hugs

Rosemary44 · April 2006

Hi Patti & Sierra,

I'm doing very well. I'm glad your motivated this time around. I am too. I joined a gym, and found out real quick how out of condition I get over the winter. After 20 minutes I crawled out of the place. I read about how we BC ladies are suppose to be working out, so I checked it out with the ladies on the lymphedema board to be sure, and sure enough, we can do it in moderation.

Hi Sierra,

Your going to have to eat your barley, vitamin K is suppose to be taken in by foods, not supplemented. I drink a barley grass juice powder everyday for the K. All I know is something I'm doing is working because I took a vision test for my drivers license and I passed it! I haven't done that in 12 years. Spinach has lutein which is also in our eyes. So add spinach to that barley 4 times a week.

Thanks for your kind thoughts,

Rosemary

Oil of oregano sounds very interesting. I found this:

http://www.bio-alternatives.net/buyorega...;OVMTC=standard

It seems to be good for a lot of ailments.

soccermom · April 2006

The Vitamin D info was interesting..I googled to find out about if sunscreen prevents Vitamin D which we normally get from sun exposure, and found out that it does. So that seems a bit of a Catch 22. I found a study when googling that correlated if you have lived most of your life in a sunny vs non-sunny area and incidence of breast cancer. I just put in "Vitamin D sunscreen breast cancer" and pulled this stuff up.
I appreciate all the research links from those on this thread.
Michele

Rosemary44 · April 2006

Another good reason to take calcium:

Calcium May Lessen Stroke's Toll

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=60925

Sierra · April 2006

hi Rosemary:

thanks.. im off to get
some barley soon
and out in the sun

Hugs at ya.. today

)

Rosemary44 · April 2006

High Dose Vitamin C again in the news:

Call for More Study on Vitamin C and Cancer
Monday April 24, 12:15 pm ET
Case Study Review by NIH Warrants Additional Research for High Dose I.V. Vitamin C and the Hydrogen Peroxide Effect on Cancer Tumors

WICHITA, Kan., April 24 /PRNewswire/ -- In a Canadian Medical Association Journal (CMAJ) article, researchers at the National Institutes of Health and the Center for the Improvement of Human Functioning International (CIHFI) reported on 3 well-documented cases of advanced cancer, confirmed by histopathologic review, where patients had unexpectedly long survival times after receiving high-dose intravenous vitamin C therapy. Clinical details of each case were assessed in accordance with National Cancer Institute (NCI) Best Case Series guidelines, and the researchers found that the case reports indicate that the role of high-dose intravenous vitamin C therapy in cancer treatment should be reassessed.
Patients whose case studies were reviewed were treated by Hugh Riordan, M.D., at CIHFI in Wichita, Kansas. http://www.brightspot.org . Each patient was treated for a different type of cancer: renal cell carcinoma metastasized to the lungs, stage II bladder cancer and diffuse large B-cell lymphoma.

"We are encouraged that the work of NIH and CIHFI is being published and recognized. There has been no financial incentive for pharmaceutical companies to study the effects of vitamin C on cancer -- so the only remaining research funding sources are government and private charities funded by generous, forward-thinking benefactors."

Doctors and researchers at CIHFI have been involved in the study of vitamin C and cancer

beachcottage · April 2006

Thanks Rosemary

I will have to start
drinking barley grass juice**
my vision took a big hit
after TAC treatments...

Eye doc says it age..
I say bull!
I know
I am almost 49
but really my vision was crystal clear
and my mom had perfect vision
until she was 62 or so--

She wears mild over the counter"cheaters"
at age 77
so...........
I am going to
give the juice a go

I am still going strong
on WW and have incorporated
lots of fiber..thanks to you
If you have time
stop by the losing pounds thread
could always use your helpful tips there

xoxo
Patti

Rosemary44 · May 2006

Patti,

Add spinach to your list of things to eat. I think it was the spinach that did the eyes good. I can't say for sure that it was just the spinach because I do drink barley grass and beet juice everyday too.

There's research supporting the spinach and eye connection out there.

Take care,

Rosemary

Anonymous · May 2006

Such interesting and good information!

Rosemary44 · May 2006

Here's a different site for info on B1, thiamin in high doses:

http://www.hopkinsbreastcenter.org/artemis/199808/comp.html

Rosemary44 · May 2006

Copper, Magnesium and Zinc study:

May 15 (Reuters Health) - French researchers have identified links between levels of three metals in the body and the risk of death from cancer or heart disease.
Dr. Nathalie Leone of the Lille Pasteur Institute and colleagues found men with high copper levels had an increased risk of dying over an 18-year period, while high magnesium levels were associated with reduced mortality risk. Low zinc levels seem to add to the effect of the other two elements.

However, the researchers note, it remains unclear whether these metals are actually responsible for these effects or simply markers for cancer or heart disease.

Zinc, copper and magnesium play a number of key roles in the body, for example in the immune response, inflammation and oxidative stress, Leone and her colleagues write in the research journal Epidemiology. To investigate the relationship between body levels of these elements and mortality, the researchers followed 4,035 men aged 30 to 60 for 18 years. During follow-up, 339 men died, including 176 from cancer and 56 from heart disease.

Men with the highest copper levels at the study's outset had a 50 percent increased risk of death from any cause, and a 40 percent greater risk of dying from cancer, compared to men with the lowest levels.

On the other hand, those with the highest magnesium levels had a 40 percent to 50 percent reduced risk of death compared to those with the lowest levels.

Low zinc levels along with high copper levels boosted mortality risk further; men with this combination were 2.6 times more likely to die during the follow-up period than those with low levels of both zinc and copper. Low zinc values combined with low magnesium levels contributed to an increased mortality risk.

High copper levels were tied to older age, smoking and high cholesterol, Leone and her team note, while lower magnesium levels were linked to older age, high blood pressure and diabetes.

Copper can contribute to the formation of damaging free radicals in the body, the researchers note, while low magnesium may also contribute to inflammation. Low zinc levels may impair immune function, while zinc also shields the body from free radicals.

"In this way, decreased zinc and either increased copper or decreased magnesium might synergistically enhance oxidative damage and the inflammatory response," Leone and her team write.

"Further studies are needed to confirm the interactions between serum zinc and serum copper or serum magnesium and their potential contribution to the prediction of all-cause, cancer and cardiovascular disease mortality in clinical practice," they conclude.

SOURCE: Epidemiology, May 2006.

Texgirl · May 2006

Just wanted to include the name of my vitamins Spectra Woman by DaVinci labs a multiple vitamin/mineral supplement with grapeseed extract and GLA ...has NO soy and is yeast free and vegetarian...
www.davincilabs.com

Rosemary44 · May 2006

More info on magnesium deficiency:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-4-24/40778.html

and

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-5-28/42062.html

Rosemary44 · June 2006

Dr.s debating the benefit of vitamins:

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/14893707.htm?source=rss&channel=cctimes_news

Sierra · June 2006

This is a good site
for vitamins
I do not use it
as get mine from D'Adamo

still eat what I want
enjoy it (healthy most times)
raw food, but.. do enjoy
the odd.... treat.. for sure

but know a few gals who do

http://www.lef.org/

(I am not on TX, as most of you know)

Hugs

Rosemary44 · June 2006

Good find Sierra,

Oh, were they suppose to actually take the calcium and D, not just look at the bottles?

"One of the most controversial media stories dealt with a study that supposedly showed that women who took calcium and vitamin D supplements did not obtain any protection against hip fracture. 58

We at Life Extension initially thought this negative finding was because the active group was not given magnesium, zinc, manganese, and other nutrients that are essential to maintaining optimal bone density.

When we got our hands on the study itself, we were startled to find that the women in the study who actually took their calcium and vitamin D supplements suffered 29% fewer hip fractures. 58 This was contrary to what the headlines said. It turned out that the media believed the governments negative press release and obviously did not read the actual scientific study." etc...

Rosemary44 · November 2006

The annual government report on vitamins and such:

http://ods.od.nih.gov/Research/Annual_Bibliographies.aspx

fancy2 · November 2006

Quote:

Thanks Anne,

That is very interesting advice in that Handbook. I have to say that it's the first time I ever read that we should not have any oils, or fats at all because it interferes with our immune system. That advice is found in Section 7, immune boosting foods.

Just today the AHA came out with advice about it being heart healthy to take olive oil everyday. I don't know what to make of this conflicting advice?

I looked at the handbook, part 7. The author didn't say NO fat, she said to minimalize fat consumption. Since the average American gets almost 50% of their dietary calories from fat, lowering that to a sane 20% would be a HUGE improvement. Olive oil, nuts, avocadoes, corn oil, are all examples of "good" fats, that is, fats that are preferable. If you remove fat from your diet completely, you will get VERY hungry and overeat in other ways. Fat is essential for health. Just not too much of it. Hope that helps.

Rosemary44 · November 2006

I wonder where I saw no fat?? I can clearly see minimize fat consumption when I read it today. It must be the spinach made all the difference.

fancy2 · November 2006

Quote:

I wonder where I saw no fat?? I can clearly see minimize fat consumption when I read it today. It must be the spinach made all the difference.

No doubt!

Rosemary44 · November 2006

Vitamin E Alpha TOS (D-Alpha Tocopheryl Succinate):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...l=pubmed_DocSum

Among the tocopherol derivatives, alpha-TOS (0.1 micromol/L) was the most effective in reducing VEGF release.

mkl48 · November 2006

Corn oil is actually less helpful. If you eliminate all fat many people will have an adverse outcome in terms of their lipid levels. We need good fats in moderation, olive oil, canola, avacado and fatty fish are the best. Too much omega6- corn oil - is not the best source. American diets are full of it. Beth

Rosemary44 · November 2006

I'm not a fan of canola oil. I've read it's not from a natural source as olive oil is and others.

mkl48 · November 2006

Rosemary,

Your link to vit E and VEGF was interesting because it postulated an hypothesis not yet proven in human cancer- that what one eats is a significant factor in tumor initiation and promotion. Many very reputable oncologists are dubious, especially about interventions in adulthood or after dx with BC.There may be more importance to pre-natal or adolescent nuitrition . As for Vit E, there is some interest in the tocotrienol-sp form of E. I wonder, but doubt if they know, is a woman's chance of another primary or rec greater than her already proven risk of BC.Put another way, if one develops BC they already had a different set of variables, are they given added weight then after the BC develops? Beth

Rosemary44 · November 2006

Well that researcher thinks that nutrition plays its part in tumor development and regression. I've read enough research reports about different foods ability to fight the big fight for us. I guess it's just up to what one wants to read and believe from the various research reports. Not much of this ever gets into human studies anyway.

"I wonder, but doubt if they know, is a woman's chance of another primary or rec greater than her already proven risk of BC.Put another way, if one develops BC they already had a different set of variables, are they given added weight then after the BC develops?"

I know too many people with this that never had it return and I don't think they ever changed their diet. It wasn't the thing to do back when. I can tell you for sure that a Dr. would never have suggested they do it. I just follow the diet tricks just in case they're on to something.

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roseg · November 2006

Whole Foods sells Vitamin E Alpha TOS (D-Alpha Tocopheryl Succinate). I read that it enhances the action of tamoxifen and have been taking that.

It is way more expensive than regular Vitamin E so I hope it's worth it.

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