Vitamins for what ails you

Rosemary44

http://www.testsymptomsathome.com/SYM_antioxidant.asp



And:



New information out today about Vitamin E in high doses can be fatal to some.



http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041112/hl_afp/us_medicine_041112025359

Rosemary44

I had read this before about B1 (thiamin) in high doses can promote the growth of cancer cells:

http://www.prescription2000.com/experts/cancer4.html

When you look at the side panel of cereals and pasta and a lot of other products, you'll see that some are highly fortified with thiamin.

Rosemary44

Supplementation of Diets with Alpha Tocopherol (Vitamin E) Reduces Serum Concentrations of Gamma and Delta Tocopherol in Humans:



"A recent randomized, placebo-controlled trial at Johns Hopkins University found that despite promising evidence from in vitro experiments and observational studies, supplementation of diets with alpha tocopherol has NOT reduced the risk of cardiovascular disease and cancer in most large-scale clinical trials.



One plausible explanation is that the potential health benefits of alpha tocopherol supplements are offset by deleterious changes in the bioavailability and/or bioactivity of other nutrients. The researchers at Johns Hopkins studied the effects of supplementing diets with alpha tocopheryl acetate (400 IU/d) on serum concentrations of Gamma and Delta tocopherol in a randomized, placebo-controlled trial in 184 adult nonsmokers. Outcomes were changes in serum concentrations of Gamma and Delta tocopherol from baseline to the end of the 2-month experimental period".



In other words, we should just eat almonds and pecans for a rich vitamin E source and stop supplementing it.

Rosemary44

http://www.cancerfacts.com/Home_News.asp?NewsId=1777&CB=14&CancerTypeId=4

Dec. 16, 2004 – A form of vitamin E not found in most manufactured nutritional supplements but is plentiful in many nuts and seeds might halt the growth of prostate and lung cancer cells, according to a new study.

and

But because most nutritional supplements contain only alpha-tocopherol, a different form of vitamin E that does not have these anticancer properties, it may be better to supplement the diet with mixed forms of vitamin E. The study shows that the anticancer effect is enhanced when mixed forms are used."

Sierra

Hi Gals:

I saw this..
still take my Vit. E.. 400
eat almonds always have
l0 daily.. pecans..
the odd Brazil nut..

take natural Vit .. E.. source

Sierra

also take a lot of other vitamins
thru my Naturopath..
firmly believe in them for myself.

Best...


Sierra

Rosemary44

Research on Vit. A and the role it plays in BC.
Also, in England they're looking at Vit. D and they also found a glitch in that D receptor gene.

http://health.yahoo.com/news/54098

If we could get the two research hospitals together with their A and D findings, maybe this research could move along faster?

Rosemary44

Supplemented Vit. E again in the news:

Vitamin E linked to increased risk of heart failure.

Mar 16 (Reuters Health) - The results of a seven-year study examining the potential benefit of vitamin E in preventing cancer and cardiovascular events in older patients with vascular disease or diabetes not only showed no benefit from taking the supplement, it showed an increased risk of heart failure, according to a report in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

The original HOPE (Heart Outcomes Prevention Evaluation) trial found no evidence that vitamin E affects the outcome of heart disease after 4.5 years. The study included approximately 9,500 patients, 55 years of age or older, with vascular disease or diabetes assigned to a placebo or 400 IU per day of vitamin E.


Thinking that the treatment period may have been too short to show a benefit, Dr. Eva Lonn, at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, and colleagues, extended the HOPE study for 2.5 more years. In HOPE-The Ongoing Outcomes (HOPE-TOO) trial, nearly 4,000 subjects continued in the trial.

There were no significant differences between the vitamin E group and the placebo group in cancer rate, cancer deaths, major cardiovascular events (heart attack, stroke, or death from cardiovascular causes), or death from any cause in the extension study.


However, the risk of heart failure was higher in the vitamin E group than in the placebo group (14.7 percent versus 12.6 percent), as was the risk of hospitalization for heart failure (5.8 percent versus 4.2 percent).


"In conjunction with its lack of efficacy, the potential for harm suggested by our findings strongly supports the view that vitamin E supplements should not be used in patients with vascular disease or diabetes mellitus," Lonn's group advises.

Rosemary44

Vitamin E supplementation is under attack from all sides:

Supplementation with the antioxidants vitamin E and beta carotene may cause unexpected problems in patients with head and neck cancer, researchers warn.

Reporting in the April 6 issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, investigators at Laval University in Quebec City, Canada, studied 540 head and neck cancer patients who'd been treated with radiation therapy between 1994 and 2000.


The patients received supplementation with either a placebo, or vitamin E and beta carotene -- a precursor of vitamin A -- during radiation therapy and then for the following three years.


Although patients were tracked for an average of more than four years, beta carotene supplementation in this study was halted at one year after another trial found an increased risk of lung cancer among smokers who took the nutrient.


The researchers report that patients who received vitamin E supplements were at greater risk of developing a second primary cancer while receiving supplementation, as well as a lower risk of a second primary cancer after the end of supplementation, compared with patients who took a placebo.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&am...headneckcancers

Cheyenne93

Boy, am I glad I have you guys.

Just told by the oncologist that I am not take vitamins. He told me about the chemo and vitamins. Why didn't he give me a printed sheet when I started chemo (although I've only had one treatment so far). I'll be glad when at least I can get back on the calcium Oh, I can still take the glucosomine for the arthritis.

Rosemary44

Another good site for vitamin info:

http://www.anyvitamins.com/vitamin-info.htm#Fat%20soluble%20vitamins

momoffour

I know I have chemo brain!!! BUT, is there a list with what to take and what to avoid. I CAN'T READ ANYMORE!!!! Nothing until after chemo right? What about during radiation?

Any info would be appreciated. I'm so confused!

Hugs Cindi

Rosemary44

Cindi,

During radiation, my rad onc didn't want me to use anti-oxidants. They think it might interfere with the what the rays are doing. That's all I remember about what not to take.

About what to take, good luck if you find a Dr. that is knowledgable. I haven't found one yet, sorry to say.

Rosemary

Rosemary44

This small amount of participants does not make a study to my thinking but there is some info on Co Q10 and BC survival. Why aren't they doing more research since it does look hopeful?



http://home.tampabay.rr.com/lymecfs/coq10.htm#progress



and this site has dosage info: Paste it in address.



http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,768,00.html

Sierra

I took CoQ10.. during TX..
under care of a naturopath..
My onc knew this.. He did not like
it,, but did not tell me to stop..

Now I am at 5 years. I do not know for
certain, why.. in other words
is it TX, vitamins, combination of things?
which I believe it is.. and I have a firm
belief in my higher power.

Also, my vitamins. Yes, I know.. they do
say NOW not to take any.

Up to each one of us, I guess.

Sierra

Rosemary44

Study: Folic Acid, Vitamin B6 May Protect Against Breast Cancer



http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/conten...east_Cancer.asp



and we'll never forget where we left it:



http://my.webmd.com/content/article/107/108655?src=RSS_PUBLIC



Also:



Folate may protect against hemorrhagic stroke



Jul 22 (Reuters Health) - In addition to its effects on homocysteine, an amino acid linked to heart disease, folate may protect against a certain type of stroke. Specifically, investigators found that folate, a B vitamin found in green leafy vegetables, fruits and dried beans, appears to lower the risk of hemorrhagic strokes, strokes caused by bleeding in the brain.



"Folate metabolism has been implicated in stroke," Dr. Bethany Van Guelpen, of Umea University, Sweden, and colleague write in the medical journal Stroke. "However, the possibility of a role for folate and vitamin B12, independent of their effect on homocysteine status, remains to be explored."



The researchers examined blood and dietary levels of folate and vitamin B12 in 62 patients who had a hemorrhagic stroke and 334 who had an ischemic stroke, which are the result of blocked blood flow in the brain.



Blood levels of folate were inversely associated with the risk of hemorrhagic stroke. The association remained after accounting for the effects of conventional risk factors.



No association was observed between blood levels of vitamin B12 and either type of stroke.



The investigators report that dietary folate was not associated with the risk of ischemic stroke, but it was inversely associated with the risk of hemorrhagic stroke. Dietary vitamin B12 was not significantly related to either stroke type.

Rosemary44

Do you think they'll stop spending money on vit. E research. Ok, we get it!

Women's health study finds vitamin E does not protect women from heart attack, stroke, or cancer

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-07/nhla-whs063005.php

But it does after we reach 65.

The study finding of a decrease in major cardiovascular events among women age 65 years and older is relatively unique, added Dr. Lee. "Almost all previous trials have not reported findings by age. If other current trials provide age-related results, these additional data will help clarify the Women's Health Study results of benefit among the women aged 65 years and older," she said

aalice

National Council Against Heathcare Fraud. My Dr. gave me this web site yesterday when I inquired about something my niece was recommending. I think it might be good for all to be aware of its existance. Sure shed light on my inquiry. www.ncahf.org

Rosemary44

Vitamin C Kills Cancer cells



http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=238356&source=r_health



"High doses of vitamin C injected into the bloodstream may be effective at combating cancer, a US team from the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, reports in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.



It found that the vitamin, in the form of ascorbate, killed cancer cells in laboratory conditions. Cultures of a range of nine cancer and four normal cell types were studied by the team.



In five of the cancer lines there was a 50 per cent decrease in cell survival, while normal cells were unaffected. Growth of lymphoma cells was reduced by at least 99 per cent."



And



http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/050915/86082.html



The institute's research documents that vitamin C, when used in combination with the amino acids L-lysine and L-proline and a polyphenol fraction of green tea known as Epigallocatechin Gallate (EGCG), could not only kill cancer cells, but limit tumor growth, its infiltration by blood vessels (angiogenesis), and completely stop the invasion and spread of more than two dozen cancer cell types. While the NIH study showed a 50 percent decrease in survival of cancer cells exposed to high doses of vitamin C in five out of nine cancer cell types, the combination of nutrients used by Rath's group was effective not only in eliminating cancer cells, but in arresting cancer cell tissue invasion -- a hallmark of metastasis responsible for 90 percent of deaths from cancer.

Rosemary44

I've been reading about magnesium and how in the 1930's a Dr. discovered that in areas that had high mag content in foods, the people had less cancer being reported.



The same with heart disease... when people drank hard water, less heart disease.



http://www.mgwater.com/

Rosemary44

Some more on Vitamin A

side effects:
• High dietary intake of retinol seems to be associated with osteoporosis and increased risk for hip fracture.
(Melhus H, et al. Ann Intern Med 1998 Nov 15;129(10):770-778.)
• Some recent double-blind research indicates that supplementation with synthetic beta-carotene by smokers may be associated with an increased risk of lung cancer. This may be due to a resulting relative deficiency of other antioxidants.
(Albanes D, et al. J Natl Cancer Inst 1996;88:1560-1570; Omenn GS, et al. N Engl J Med 1996;334:1150-1155.)

http://home.caregroup.org/clinical/altmed/interactions/Nutrients/Vitamin_A.htm

Rosemary44

A good site for herbal info:

http://www.viable-herbal.com/herbdesc/herbdesc.htm

Rosemary44

We need to be taking more Vit. D. They still don't know how much though. Of course, more study is needed.



"For maintaining calcium metabolism, intake of calcium levels above 800 milligrams daily is probably unnecessary provided that vitamin D status is adequate, according to a report in the Journal of the American Medical Association.



Our study suggests that vitamin D sufficiency may be more important than high calcium intake in maintaining desired values of serum PTH," the authors conclude. "Vitamin D may have a calcium-sparing effect and as long as vitamin D status is ensured, calcium intake levels of more than 800 mg/d may be unnecessary for maintaining calcium metabolism."



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051109/hl_nm/calcium_vitamin_d_dc_1



Also, Vitamin D aids in lung cancer survival:



http://www.wjla.com/headlines/0405/221984.html

awjkej

Here is a link to the Cancer Project Handbook. http://www.cancerproject.org/resources/handbook.php
It has alot of interesting information, one relating to calcium absorption and which foods are best.

You can buy this online or download the pdf version for free.

God Bless,
Anne

Rosemary44

Thanks Anne,



That is very interesting advice in that Handbook. I have to say that it's the first time I ever read that we should not have any oils, or fats at all because it interferes with our immune system. That advice is found in Section 7, immune boosting foods.



Just today the AHA came out with advice about it being heart healthy to take olive oil everyday. I don't know what to make of this conflicting advice?



I guess I'll read the oil research and make up my mind which to follow.



Rosemary



I found this: Olive oil didn't affect NK cell activity.



Consumption of diets rich in monounsaturated fatty acids (MUFAs) has been linked with a low prevalence of atherosclerosis and there has been great interest in the effects of MUFAs on lipoprotein metabolism. Less attention has been paid to the effects of MUFAs on the immune system, yet cells of the immune system are an inherent part of the inflammatory events involved in atherosclerosis and several animal studies showed that olive oil has some potent immunomodulatory actions. We therefore considered it important to investigate the effects of chronic consumption of MUFAs on several immune cell functions in healthy humans. Healthy middle-aged males entered a double-blind, randomized, controlled trial in which they consumed either a MUFA diet or a control diet for 2 mo. There was a significant decrease in the expression of intercellular adhesion molecule 1 by peripheral blood mononuclear cells from subjects consuming the MUFA diet. Consumption of the MUFA diet did not affect natural killer cell activity or proliferation of mitogen- stimulated leukocytes. The effects of a MUFA-rich diet on adhesion molecule expression may have implications for the influence of dietary fat on inflammatory diseases, including atherosclerosis.

msdmckee

We switched our E supplement from a straight alpha to a mixed tocpherol/tocotrienol (has alpha/beta/gamma/delta...I never joined a sororty either ) My husband was showing a rising level of PSA.....last blood test, it is starting to come down..........

Rosemary44

More on Folic Acid:



http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/12/11/1188



Higher plasma total cysteine concentrations were significantly associated with a lower risk of breast cancer. For women in the highest quintile of plasma total cysteine, compared with those in the lowest quintile, the multivariate relative risk was 0.44 (95% confidence interval, 0.26–0.74). This association was dose dependent (P for trend = 0.002) and independent of plasma measures of folate, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, and total homocysteine. The inverse association between plasma total cysteine concentrations and risk of breast cancer was not significantly modified by other risk factors for breast cancer, except that a stronger association was observed among women who were leaner. The findings from this prospective study suggest that higher plasma concentrations of total cysteine predict a reduced risk of breast cancer. Cysteine or its precursors might have the potential to be chemopreventive against breast cancer.



AND:



Homocysteine is chemically transformed into methionine and cysteine with the help of folic acid, vitamin B12, and vitamin B6. Therefore, insufficient amounts of these vitamins in the body can hamper the natural breakdown of homocysteine. This can cause homocysteine to accumulate in the blood. Conversely, a higher folic acid intake and higher levels of body folate are associated with lower blood homocysteine levels.

Sierra

CAlmag..

anyone else want to comment on this
very hard to absorb into the body
they say

Rosemary44

I take a liquid cal/mag. They say it's better absorbed. The "They" is the company who sells it. I can't find anyone else talking about liquid being better absorbed.

Taking it after some food so the acids in the stomach can break it down is good, and also taking more Vit. D. Foods rich in vit. K also help for strong bones.

Breaking up the doses about 5 hrs apart is recommended at 500 mgs. a dose. If you can, the last dose you take should be in the evening.

Rosemary44

I didn't know we needed adequate amounts of potassium to prevent bone loss:

Adults should consume at least 4.7 grams of potassium per day to lower blood pressure, blunt the effects of salt, and reduce the risk of kidney stones and bone loss. However, most American women 31 to 50 years old consume no more than half of the recommended amount of potassium, and men's intake is only moderately higher.
There was no evidence of chronic excess intakes of potassium in apparently health individuals and thus no UL was established.

Rosemary44

Vitamin

According to the researchers, the studies -- from 1966 to 2004 -- suggest that vitamin D can reduce the risk of colon, breast and ovarian cancers, among others, by as much as 50 percent.



Dosage suggested:



Garland urges everyone to consume 1,000 International Units (IUs) a day of the active form of Vitamin D -- also known by its human form, Vitamin D3 -- which comes in yogurt, cheese, orange juice, fatty fish and milk.



By contrast, Sandon said adults aged 19 to 50 should get 200 IUs a day, equivalent to two glasses of fortified milk. People aged 50 to 70 should get 400 IUs, she said, while those 71 and older should get 700. But she acknowledged that "it is difficult to get this much vitamin D from food alone.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20051228/hl_hsn/vitamindmaypreventsomecancers

Rosemary44

Vitamin C Supplements Can Largely Stop The Depletion Of Vitamin E That Occurs In Smokers, Study Shows:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=37878&nfid=rssfeeds

"The results of the research were based on a placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical study with smokers and non-smokers, and showed that supplements of 1000 milligrams of vitamin C per day could reduce by up to 45 percent the rate of disappearance of one form of vitamin E in smokers. In general, vitamin C supplements helped protect the function and plasma levels of vitamin E, so that smokers who took supplements had about the same level of antioxidant protection as non-smokers."