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  • yoga_girl
    yoga_girl Member Posts: 234
    edited December 2014

    Nash54

    Magnesium Oil Spray - Ultra

    http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Minerals-Ultra-Magnesium-Spray/dp/B008JSJ9HU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1419146860&sr=8-5&keywords=pure+magnesium+oil+spray

    If you use it at night and spray on your feet (two pumps per foot, rub into feet lightly, be sure to wash hands and not get into your eyes), wear light cotton bed socks, your feet will feel like silk in the morning.

    Magnesium/Calcium Supplements - I take the powder, 2-3 scoops per day (1,000mg-1,500mg calcium / 500mg-750mg magnesium (ratio as they complement each other) per day). It enters your system quicker and absorbs better than regular tablets.  

    http://www.vitaminpartners.com/products/calcium-magnesium-citrate-8-oz

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/35011-calcium-magnesium-zinc-benefits/

    http://anrminerals.com/Research-Calcium-Magnesium-and-Breast-Cancer.html

    If I keep my dose at the above level, I have no joint or muscle pain (even when I get out of bed in the morning).  If I drop below the above dose my bones ache and I get leg cramps.  Before BC I was very athletic (weights, ballet, biking and speed walking) and used both products daily.  Since BC I don't have the same energy level, but look forward to gaining energy back some day in the future. 

    Hope you enjoy the benefits of both products if you decide to try them.

     

  • Nash54
    Nash54 Member Posts: 837
    edited December 2014

    Thanks yoga_girl....I've had joint pain even before BC (mostly hips)....early menopause for me. I don't know what it would feel like not to be stiff and achey most days....hope it works as well for me. Definitely worth a try. Guess I know what I'll get myself for Christmas!!

    Happy Holidays!!!

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited December 2014

    Hi, Nash - just wanted to ask if you've had your D3 levels checked? I had really bad hip pain for many years that cleared up all but overnight when I went on Vit. D remediation doses a few years ago. It was amazing. It may not do the same for anyone else but it's worth checking out. We all benefit from adequate levels of Vit. D, as I'm sure you know already. Merry Christmas to you!

  • Nash54
    Nash54 Member Posts: 837
    edited December 2014

    Thanks Hopeful...I did have them checked several years back and was low. Got mega doses from the Doc but once I finished the prescription I never went back to have them rechecked (I'm notorious for avoiding docs). I do take over the counter liquid Vit D drops...about 2000-4000 IU when I remember. I'm well over due for another overall check up (it's been years) I'll ask to get the Vit D levels checked. Is your Vit D over the counter or prescrpiton?

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited December 2014

    Hi, Nash- When I was on remedial doses I took RX vit. 2 - 50K units once a week. Now I take over the counter D3. Trader Joe's has a good brand that's reasonably priced that I like.

    Unfortunately, I have a hard time keeping my levels where they should be so have to take a fair amount but have never had any problems doing so.

    Get thee to an MD or other healthcare provider and get them checked! :) Vit. D makes a world of difference in bone health, among other issues.

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited December 2014

    just wanted to let you all know you can make your own mag spray. Mix up Epsom salts and water in a 1:1 ratio and heat till the salts dissolve. Put in a spray bottle. It feels like a very light oil.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited December 2014

    Thanks, Piper's Dream!

  • yoga_girl
    yoga_girl Member Posts: 234
    edited December 2014

    Nash54

    If you have a good massage therapist who understands acupressure points, check specific points on the charts that release hip pain.  I have an acupressure specialist I see every two weeks.  Traveled all over the US and tried many different methods of pressure release for hips, shoulders and back, this has been the best technique for me.

    30 minutes of acupressure = 60 minutes of regular massage; deep tissue

    http://www.acupressure.com/acupressure_charts.htm

    Hope this gives you some options to consider.  Locate an alternative medical center near you.  I've listed a few across the US (not endorsing, just giving some options), every state should have a directory.

    http://www.cancercenter.com/doctors-and-hospitals/?source=BNGBR01&channel=paid%20search&c=paid%20search:MSN:Top%20Terms:Exact:cancer+centers+of+america+locations:Exact&OVMTC=e&OVKEY=cancer%20centers%20of%20america%20locations&url_id=190111855&device=c&creative=2989475&adcid=9324715

    http://www.chopra.com/

    http://www.alternativemedicinedirectory.org/california-wellness-centers-and-clinics.html

    Happy Holidays!!

     

  • yoga_girl
    yoga_girl Member Posts: 234
    edited December 2014

    Benefits of sauerkraut for cancer patients

    http://sauerkrautbenefits.com/

    Sauerkraut Side Dish

    Ingredients:

    12-16 oz (can or jar) sauerkraut (drain, rinse several times to remove as much salt as you can)

    3/4 cup apple juice

    1/2 cup sliced onion, thin long strips (yellow, white or purple)

    1/2 cup apple, peeled and cubed

    Ground sea salt, 2-3 pinches (or to taste)

    Red pepper, ground, 2-3 pinches (or to taste)

    1 Tbsp extra virgin olive oil

    Optional:

    ¾ cup of white wine instead of apple juice

    1-2 red skin potatoes, with or without skins, cubed (cook until soft)

    2 leeks, chopped (white and light green parts only) instead of regular onion

    Add:  sauerkraut in a pot, heat to medium low (simmer).  Add apple juice, onion, apple, salt, pepper and oil. Cook on low (simmer) 30 to 45 minutes, until the onions are soft.

    Drain fluid before serving to plate. 

     

  • katcar0001
    katcar0001 Member Posts: 621
    edited December 2014

    I love sauerkraut, and I eat a homemade, highly probiotic one to help me ward off some of the "nasties" one can pick up here in Mexico.

    I was bummed to run across this the other day:

    The second type of cancer-promoting salt intake occurs when people consume highly salted specialty foods, condiments and snacks. These foods act directly on the digestive track and have been shown in numerous studies to cause stomach (gastric) cancer. Implicated foods include dried and salted fish and seafood, fermented/pickled vegetables, fish sauce, kimchi, salted preserved vegetables, salted and fermented soybean paste, salted fish preserves, salted fish roe, salted meat,salted shrimp paste, salty snacks, and salty soups. Many of the foods listed above are Asian; since the rate of stomach cancer is relatively high in Asia, there has been great interest in investigating the causes. Note however, that European and South American studies also have found associations between heavily salted foods and stomach cancer.

    There is some evidence that breast cancer survivors are at increased risk of developing stomach cancer and lobular breast cancer survivors in particular are vulnerable to gastric metastases.

    I had always thought the high incidence of stomach cancer in Asia was due to infection with h. pylori (which I have had several times, boo). Any insights to the above?

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited December 2014

    Trader Joe's carries a good pre-made raw sauerkraut. I like to cook, but I've never considered making sauerkraut myself.

  • Elsiemae618
    Elsiemae618 Member Posts: 6
    edited January 2015

    I'm following an almost completely plant based diet. Dr john McDougalls website is full of information about a plant based diet. I consume no animal products. I feel awesome and will never go back to the standard American diet of meat , dairy and eggs. I also watched the video, Forks over Knives on Netflix which has some very convincing reasons to avoid animal products and processed foods. Good luck to everyone I


  • Elsiemae618
    Elsiemae618 Member Posts: 6
    edited January 2015

    sounds awesome and pretty much what I am doing also

  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited January 2015

    My new breakfast is either oatmeal with pomegranate seeds and walnuts with a bit of maple syrup or agave

    or

    Plan organic yogurt from grass fed cows with pomegranate seeds and granola.

    I have cut back on dairy but there are two things for which I cannot find substitute--yogurt and coffee cream (almond and soy versions have too much sugar which I feel is far worse than a bit of dairy fat) I just try to cut back to one cup of coffee a day and yogurt a few times a week.

    If you think about how a PET-CT works, which is, to inject a radio tracer labelled glucose molecule and then image the cancer cells based on their exponential glucose metabolism, I feel pretty certain that sugar is the first thing which needs to be minimized in diet along with processed carbohydrates, over fat. I never really ate red meat so obviously that wasn't doing enough since I now have had two cancers. But I've cut the little bit of animal protein I did eat down further.


  • formydaughter
    formydaughter Member Posts: 213
    edited January 2015

    Four Minor, yes - according to other posts I've seen, the sugar feeds ER+ cancer in particular. This is moreso for menopausal women - when the main source of estrogen from the ovaries is gone.

    Elsie Mae and Four Minor - In addition to Forks Over Knives (which was great and there is a cookbook with the same title based upon it which a friend gave me with a meal after dx), the movie Fed Up is all about the sugar problem. Both are scary great. I also attended a lecture by a local alternative health care provider about sugar. It was crazy learning about the artificial sweetner industry (most having been pesticides (neutrasweet being the most complained about substance to the FDA - more health complaints for it than all other complaints for all other foods combined). It was originally classified as a biological warfare weapon. They had to get it declassified to serve it to the masses...) The whole thing began to sound like a John Grisham novel. My conclusion at the end was that real sugar was better than any of the substitutes, but not good for you either. I get enough sugar from fruit, and maple syrup - love it in my oatmeal. I haven't tried agave.

    I still eat animal products, but I've cut back a lot. I don't eat sweets. Having a CSA share helped my diet because I was inundated with produce, including things that I would not normally buy at the market. So, I tried many new veggies and started changing my recipes to add them in. One of my four food groups is now green drink. :) I'm still a coffee lover, and hope that coffee is ok.

    I think that eating foods that you recognize as foods - the whole food approach, is also important. I've tried to reduce/eliminate processed foods. And instead, cook from raw ingredients so that I know what is in it. It tastes better too!

  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited January 2015

    I started making my own almond milk - very easy, no sugar. Just soak 1 cup of almonds overnight. Drain. I first put in food processor to chop finely - then I put it in the vitamix. when I did it in the vitamix alone, they almonds didn't chop enough. I then strain in a nut bag (fine mesh.) Very easy, and very tasty. I put it in my morning "nutola." (homemade granola with 90% nuts.) I drink my coffee black, so I don't know how it would be in coffee. It is pretty easy to switch to black coffee if you make good coffee.

  • Nash54
    Nash54 Member Posts: 837
    edited January 2015

    I quit using agave because of the following information. Then I started using local honey in place of agave but according to this article it's not any better. I like to sweeten my one cup of coffee in the morning. Not sure what's best to use. I used to use raw sugar...might be going back to that. Why does it have to be so complicated?

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive...

  • SweetHope
    SweetHope Member Posts: 439
    edited January 2015

    My DD, who has studied everything she puts in her mouth, puts coconut oil in her coffee. She loves it. I'm trying it in the a.m. We both used to use flavored coffee creamer, so this must taste good.

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited January 2015

    Dr. Oz said the other day the same thing about agave--it's all fructose and causes far more inflammation than regular sugar. He also says that drinking 4 cups of coffee (can be decaf as well as caf) cuts risk of diabetes, which also should be helpful to us. He's been quoted as saying "sitting is the new smoking," and I'm adding "coffee is the new water."

  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited January 2015

    Dr. Oz is a dubious reference for me. Sugar from cane is by definition fructose. So what is he talking about?

    I do not think Agave is necessarily better than sugar. But I don't think its worse either. I like it because it mixes well and you don't need too much because it is sweet.

    I don't think its reasonable to remove every last bit of grain of sugar from our diets. But if you can cut out 75-80%, that's quite a bit. (For me its non-negotiable with oatmeal for sure.)

    Four cups of coffee is too much for me. After my morning cup I switch over to green or herbal tea.

    Cutting sugar and exercise is the only real way to decrease risk of diabetes.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited January 2015

    I don't know how it would work in coffee but I've enjoyed using Hemp Milk in my smoothies. It's available in both unsweetened, sweetened (not sure with what) and vanilla flavors. Krogers carries Living Harvest (a non-GMO brand) in their health food section.

  • zha-an
    zha-an Member Posts: 31
    edited January 2015

    hi everyone! Good discussion... Didn't see anyone mention stevia as a good alternative to sugars. Unlike scary artificial junk it has a very long track record within many cultures. As an herbalist I've used it for many years with good results. It can't replace 100% in baking (the texture just isn't right without some sugar) but you can use it to replace approximately 50% of sugar in a recipe. I use Stevia inthe Raw because I can easily find it in my rural area but really like Trader Joes brand. As for a non dairy coffee"creamer" I use unsweetened vanilla almond milk by almond breeze. It doesn't actually taste like vanilla but for some reason it tastes better than plain(original) unsweetened. Go figure...because it takes more to lighten the coffee I usually heat it up so it doesn't make my coffee cold. BTW I prefer that brand over Silk...silk uses a thickener that creeps me out! Also like the Kroger naturals brand but sometimes hard to get it unsweetened...

    we can do this...in fact we ARE doing this every day!

    zha-an

  • yoga_girl
    yoga_girl Member Posts: 234
    edited January 2015

    Stevia: 

    Also available from Aldi Stores (just arrived in large bags for cooking), Odd Lots (in the food department, many brands, who knew) half the price of Trader Joe's or Kroger.  Walmart carries regular and organic stevia.  Health food stores carry stevia in liquid and powder.

    http://www.stevia.com/

    http://wholesomesweeteners.com/Products/product-detail/PId/35/Organic-Stevia

    http://cookingwithstevia.com/

    http://silk.com/products/light-original-almondmilk  - silk light/fewer calories; also comes in single serve packages

  • SoLinda
    SoLinda Member Posts: 120
    edited January 2015

    Yes, this is a good discussion ...

    Fourminor - I agree with you that it is unreasonable to remove every last grain of sugar from out diets (I put a diced finger banana and cinnamon in my oatmeal while I am cooking it instead of sugar - it helps sweeten it up a bit) ... I don't take sugar in my coffee, but just a little skim milk. As you said "Cutting sugar and exercise is the only real way to decrease risk of diabetes". After stopping taking my AI in late September, I experienced many headaches and migraines and was only recently diagnosed with pre diabetes!!! If you could see my diet, you would have been equally shocked by this diagnosis ... Anyway, doc. told me to cut out all refined carbs. and exercise!!! I am hoping that the exercise is going to save me from diabetes since I have been eating unprocessed and low glycemic foods for the past few years and not exercising very much because of severe pain from my AI ...

    SweetHope - did you end up having coconut oil in your coffee? Was it good? I want to try it though to be honest, it does sound really greasy ... I always have extra virgin coconut oil "on hand" and use it as moisturizer, and make my own natural deoderant with it. It will be pretty funny to be drinking, it, too!

    Does anyone have a suggestion for me on what I could use instead of powdered skim milk in my coffee? I live in a place where all milk is long life, comes in a box and is treated with various preservatives. If milk comes from a farm, it is full fat and sometimes of dubious quality. Almond milk does not exist here and the only soy milk I can find is extremely sweet. I would like to cut down on dairy products, but haven't found anything to replace milk in my one gigantic cup of morning coffee ... I would make my own almond milk, but there are no almonds here either ...




  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited January 2015

    I woke up this morning and realized I was wrong, Sugar is sucrose, which is a a joined fructose molecule and a glucose molecule. But my point is, there is no great sweetener. Any natural source is better than artificial, but our palates need to be retuned. Processed carbs are to be rationed carefully. And nothing substitutes for exercise. For me that's the hard thing right now. I'm a full time working mom with a soon to be 4 year old and my walk to and from the subway is all i get a lot of days, despite my commitment to do better. Today our exercise bike is being delivered. Hoping that will help out during these cold winter days.

    I somehow think though that our bodies do better when the carbs are front loaded in the morning as we have been fasting all night and need the more readily available energy and have all day to burn it. I think carbs later in the day are the place to focus, as they are more likely to be stored. I would like to be clear that this is based on nothing more than my own intuition.

    I keep nuts, and dried apricots in my office to avoid being tempted to eat cookies or processed junk food in the afternoon if I get hungry.

  • SoLinda
    SoLinda Member Posts: 120
    edited January 2015

    I agree that our palates need to be retuned, for sure! I also keep a packet of nuts in my bag in case I am hungry and stuck with only bad alternatives close by. I just bought an exercise bike last month and no longer have any excuse not to exercise. It doesn't matter what the weather is like when the bike is inside. And you can use it any time you want! I do two sessions of half an hour each - every day. It helps to be in front of the computer and watching Netflix. Seriously, the time goes by really fast that way and is not hard on joints affected by AIs!

  • SweetHope
    SweetHope Member Posts: 439
    edited January 2015

    Yes, I tried the coconut oil in my coffee. It was okay in taste, but looking at it floating on top (as all oil does in liquid) seemed a turn off.

  • SweetHope
    SweetHope Member Posts: 439
    edited January 2015

    UH OH!!! The coconut oil in coffee went through me like grease through a goose! If any of you are having a problem with constipation, this might be just right for you. But, if you are heading off to an appointment or work, DON'T drink this!

  • Manu14
    Manu14 Member Posts: 153
    edited January 2015

    SoLinda- Do you have access to canned light coconut milk? It is really creamy, no sugar and has good medium-chain fats which some say can actually speed up the metabolism. Better than coconut oil in my opinion for coffee

  • bc101
    bc101 Member Posts: 1,108
    edited January 2015

    Is anyone here familiar with the website - http://foodforbreastcancer.com/. It seems like the information here is well researched, but lots of things I read here are concerning, such as the interactions of common medications and AIs with estrogen positive cancer, and then I never know what to believe.

    The canned milk comment reminded me of a time when a Russian friend was visiting. He only wanted to drink canned condensed milk. He just loved the stuff and wondered why we didn't drink it. I've still never tried it.

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