What foods are you eating to reduce recurrence?

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  • kimag
    kimag Member Posts: 114
    edited November 2014

    Momine thanks, no, no peas or beans the boys tolerate :(

  • robsp
    robsp Member Posts: 50
    edited November 2014

    Sometime ago I tried to search for a diet to reduce recurrence, but I gave up. I think you could find articles where you should restrict the three primary macronutrients ( carbohydrates, proteins and fat) that are our source of energy from foods. I visited an integrative oncologist and he prescribed to me many supplements and multivitamins without any exam, but I decided to take none.

    I decided to follow general dietary guideline like Dietary Guidelines for Americans http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2010.asp, I'm from Brazil then I use Brazilian version of this guideline. Maybe is not the best option, but I feel well and now I am trying to expand the variety of natural foods that I eat, for instance, experimenting fruits that I never tried like dragon fruit, Physalis, European blueberry, etc.

    I think there is more consensus about the benefits of physical activity, but the only physical activity that I have some pleasure to do is brisk walk, walk at 3 miles per hour. I am trying to follow the recommendation of "The Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans" where there is chapter about cancer.

    http://www.health.gov/PAGuidelines/Report/G7_cance...

    I am trying to walk 60 minutes a day from Monday to Friday, 20 minutes during my lunch time and more 40 minutes of walk to take the subway after my work.

    Wikipedia has an article about Diet and Cancer with many references.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_and_cancer



  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited November 2014

    Kimag, goodness, picky little buggers, huh? ;) However, like I said, beans and the like freeze well, so there is no reason why you can't make bean soup, for example, and freeze individual portions for yourself. You can make a nice soup with beans and lots of veggies, throw in some strips of kale or collards as well. It is tasty, cheap, easy to heat up for a quick lunch and nice on a cold winter day.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited November 2014

    Cee67---My holistic doc told me to only take Gaia Turmeric. You can get it at the health food stores or at Amazon which is where I get it from. He didn't have a preference on a particular brand of ginger. I take one Turmeric capsule and one ginger capsule each morning. He said to start at that dose and increase if I felt I needed it which I didn't. After a couple of weeks of his regimen, 90% of my joint/muscle pain was gone so I assume that dosage is what works for me. He said you could take 2 or 3 a day if needed. I do try to buy my vits and such from reputable companies. Before BC, I just bought whatever cheap vits I could find at Walmart. After BC, when I decided to "improve" my purchases, one of the things I changed was going to One-A-Day multivitamins for women. I have to say, I won't make that mistake again! Within a few day, I started getting lightheaded, nauseous and dizzy along with really bad burping and bloating. It took me 8 months of this to finally research all the things I took and one thing that kept popping up was all the problems people had with One-A-Day. Apparently they have lots of fillers that can mess with the stomach. So I quit and within a week started feeling better. It's now been about 2 months off and I feel way better, not 100%, but maybe 90% better. I do still have some of "those" days but also feel that the Tamoxifen is throwing me into menopause which all of these symptoms also apply to. I think I may do another visit to the holistic doc and see if he can help with menopause as well.

    Also, anyone take probiotics and if so, what brand and how much? I had to do a course of antibiotics about 2 months before all my tummy troubles started which was around this time last year, and I'm thinking that I may still be "off" from that.

    I can deal with alot of these Tamoxifen SEs but nausea is the worst!!

  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited November 2014

    There is a beet supplement: https://www.standardprocess.com/Products/Standard-...

    this particular produce is for healthy liver and gallbladder function, also has glandular extracts. There may be a beet supplement that is just beets.

  • AlaskaAngel
    AlaskaAngel Member Posts: 1,836
    edited November 2014

    My sweetie does a far better job of cooking meats and shellfish than I do. I do like them but I am over 60 and he is over 70 and after 40+ years together we tend to each cook and eat our own thing together. He begrudgingly will eat a salad if I make one. My eyes cross just watching him eat mostly meat/starches/sweets because I like veggies and fruits more.

    For cancer, my focus is to balance the types of fats (omega-3 and omega-6) and to make sure as much of it as possible is organic. And I work at keeping my blood sugar from spiking. It seems to be working.

  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited November 2014

    I haven't been here for a while. Nice to see you all.

    I would like to share this, from the MD Anderson research hospital in Texas:

    "No cancer has been found that is not affected by curcumin" (MD Anderson Cancer Center, Texas)

    Here is the link:

    http://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-lin...


    We may want to keep in mind that, according to MD Anderson's research, turmeric is activated by black pepper and olive oil; those results appear to have been confirmed by other sources as well:

    "......According to the American Cancer Society, absorption of curcumin can be improved by mixing the supplement with a teaspoonful of olive oil and sprinkling the black pepper on it. Warning: Don´t spill it on your skin or clothes - it stains......
    As for me, I just make sure I eat a large amount of turmeric everyday, in my salads, and everywhere else; of course, I use black pepper and a lot of olive oil with that :-)
  • Michelle49
    Michelle49 Member Posts: 18
    edited November 2014

    I'm glad to find this. I've become vegan since September when I was diagnosed. My list keeps growing on what best to eat for healing but reading your ideas are great, something to try and grow my knowledge on (not much to begin with anyway). Although I'm small 5'2", I've gained 15% weight through the years which may not be much but I now realize is a lot for my small frame. I was under great stress and did not take care of myself for several years. Tried to loose weight with low carb diet a couple of years ago. Since August, I lost most of my weight, it's scary. Initially it was because of the depression and stress. I've stopped eating dairy and animal products except for occasional salmon and shrimp. I read the No Dairy Breast Prevention Program book by Plant so I started with that but I'm not finished learning. I'm afraid of the IGF levels but she didn't mention the casein in other animal products. I don't know much yet about the estrogens that come from outside sources. Barely know about the estrogen coming from own body fat.

    I bought a juicer for nutrition packed fluids. I can't tolerate the texture of Vitamix smoothies.

    I'm weak on supplements. I only have a a daily supplement right now that I'm taking.

    Moved away from products with BPA, parabens

    Stopped using Colgate Total toothpaste due to triclosan ingredient and cancer link

    Trying to increase the volume of fruits and vegetable I eat. It is tough to develop the taste for it and I know this is ESSENTIAL.





  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited November 2014

    Bosum, how much exercise are you getting? How high is the fasting glucose? How is you BMI? How much fruit do you eat?


  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2014

    Bosum, how annoying. Yes, BMI, fruit intake, exercise etc all seem right on target. I did see a study saying that walking for 15 minutes after meals could be very helpful in controlling glucose. You could try it.

    As for cholesterol, mine also rose a bit because of the AI. I since got it down, simply by ramping up the exercise, cutting out eggs, cheese and red meat, increasing my intake of fatty fish and making sure I got loads of fibre. I know exactly what you mean about one drug leading to another. I have to say that if I had to choose between diabetes and high cholesterol, I would take the cholesterol. I am not convinced that high cholesterol is always that big a deal, if you are otherwise healthy, fit, slim etc. Diabetes, however, is always a bitch. How high is the cholesterol and how are your ratios (i.e. LDL, HDL and triglycerides)?

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited December 2014

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/go-nuts-to-help-lower-your-blood-sugar/article586575/

    Nuts and a yoghurt a day may help keep diabetes and heart disease away. I would go with plain yoghurt to keep the sugar out.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2014

    Heidi, interesting. My dh is in much better health than he should be, given age, weight etc. He has a habit of eating plain yogurt with walnuts in the morning.

    I usually eat some walnuts in my breakfast muesli, and often some almonds in the evening for a snack. If I make pancakes, I make them without sugar or syrup, but add oat fibre and nuts as well as rolled oats and some berries.

  • MarciaM
    MarciaM Member Posts: 118
    edited December 2014

    Hello All Foodies;

    I adapted to juicing carrots , apples, celery y and cabbage since 2011 with my diagnosis. Then I moved into full vegan

    diet in 2011. I had never been diagnosed with the brain tumor until too late, in other words it was there all along. You want to get a lot of crocifous veggies , like kale and broccoli eac h day . Gradually you want t o eliminate cheese meat and diary. i eat some fish. Other than that I obtain al lprotien from teh plant based diet. Since 2012 having brain tumor rescetedend the small rads given to the brain, SRS, I m disabled but seem to be keeping from recurrence. ??? My doctor says it must be helping she has never see many patients with metastatic stage IV bC do so well.

    I suggest yo u watch the movie Forks Over Knives, all about the wholesome foods that we need to eat to keep away cancer. More research really needs to put in to this are of cancer prevention. IT is not being done for lack of moeny and interest, drugs and so forth are keeping this from studies.

    Hope all of you are eating vegges and less surgery fatty and greasy foods. Personal messages are welcome.

    Marcia

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited December 2014

    Pretty strict Paleo (which I started 8 months prior to being diagnosed with BC/wish I'd started it 8 years ago). Only organic grassfed meats, no refined sugars, gluten, dairy, processed foods (non-foods) potatoes, rice, soy. Pretty much meat, eggs, veggies, fish, Paleo approved fats only, fruit, nuts and seeds.

    Continued monitoring of vitamin D levels and supplements. In the toilet 1 1/2 years ago for god only knows how long.

    Due to BC diagnosis I'm trying to eat more of the anti-cancer veggies: broccoli, b sprouts, cabbage, etc. and drink more green tea. Stepping up consumption of fish and seaweed. Fewer fruits than I had been eating but I'm not willing to go with a keto diet at this time, fruits have lots of good stuff in them along w their natural sugar.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited December 2014

    Just an update from my post last week....I have now been on a probiotic for about a week and my tummy troubles are basically gone!! I'm really excited since this is the best I've felt in almost a year! I do still have periodic bouts of burping, which I hate but they are getting fewer and farther in between. And the best part is my bloating is finally going away! I haven't lost any weight but my stomach is definitely a bit flatter. I really think that my double round of antibiotics last Dec, possibly combined with the Tamoxifen, threw off my gut bacteria. So for 10 months I've had regular rounds of nausea, burping, bloating combined with dizziness. I had 2 colds about 4 and 8 weeks after the antibiotics which I think may have messed with my sinuses as well. So changing the multivitamin, taking a probiotic (I take Accuflora which is relatively inexpensive and I take 1 in the am and 1 in the pm) and using a saline rinse every day for my sinuses seems to have brought me back to my normal....or at least my new normal. I've got my fingers crossed that this holds!!

    Btw, BosomBlues, check around to see if you have any holistic docs who will give you a phone consult. Sometimes they do this for a much reduced fee. I saw a great guy in North Augusta, SC named Pendergast who also wrote a book on eating right and good supplements after BC. I know you could buy his book but maybe he would do a phone consult. Also check your BC support centers. They may know of a holistic doc you may be able to afford. I have to say that despite having the BEST care from my BS, PS, MO, Ob/Gyn and even an ENT, the holistic doc helped me the most. Let me know if you have no luck and I will see what I can do on my end. Also, what was your BP that it was considered low? I've got mine down from 120/80 to 110/70 which my docs are delighted with but now you're making me wonder if that might have caused some of my lightheadedness.

  • mproffit
    mproffit Member Posts: 2
    edited December 2014

    Hi ladies! I am loving every bit of advice you all share and will try some new things too. One thing I see as a common concern is not eating enough fruits and vegetables. The one thing I do have going for my self is taking Juice Plus daily. It has taking away the expense and mess of juicing and provides up to 30 different fruits, vegetables, and grains our bodies need to heal. I was first diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer 6 years ago and have since dealt with metastasize liver cancer 4 times. I have been through many treatments and have healed beautifully and amazed my doctors in ways most people would never. Diet and exercise is key. Would love to share more about my journey and whole food nutrition and how it can help you too. You can email me at sprtymel11@yahoo.com. Always wanting to hear your journey as well. Survive On!

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited December 2014

    I think most people on here already know that Juice Plus is just another MLM company (or if they don't, they will now). There is NOTHING in it that can't be gotten through food and OTC supplements. Just the fact that it's a pyramid scheme makes me question the quality of the product. 

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited December 2014

    mprofitt,

    Glad you're doing well. I echo leggo's opinion on MLM schemes. You may wish to remove your personal email address from your message, as the mods advise against it and will probably remove it if you don't.

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited December 2014

    Hi BosumBlues,

    I would go with nut butters: peanut butter, almond butter, cashew butter. If you're trying to avoid carbs, you could use celery or carrots to scoop them with. And lots of guacamole (I wish I could eat that three times a day!)

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited December 2014

    Yeah, BosumBlues, I think you're right about the whey being not so great because it's dairy (also the soy protein because it's concentrated). But there are some different protein powders out there (hemp, pea and rice) and chia seeds are high in protein and easy to sneak into smoothies. When you don't have an appetite it's really hard to put on any weight, that's for sure. It's hard to eat healthy this time of year, anyway, but I applaud your efforts! (And thanks for reminding me I should be doing better, too!)

  • Nash54
    Nash54 Member Posts: 837
    edited December 2014

    BosumBlues....just isn't Christmas without chocolate covered cherries. My mom loved them. I get a box every Christmas in her memory...and enjoy every bite.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2014

    salt is/was my bete noir too. charlott gerson says salt is the cause of cancer. it certainly is a cause of hearing problems, as it holds water

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited December 2014

    Ha-ha! BosumBlues you remind me of me with the stocking stuffers (I usually have to buy Halloween candy a couple of times because I keep raiding it!) "Yeah, we're making a list, and buying it twice, gonna find out who's naughty (us) and nice (also us)..."





  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2014

    long long ago I'd eat a lot of japanese sat plums & kosher dill pickles. when Ifirst ot some sort of meniers many years later i thought it was low blood pressure & I'd eat even more salty things. my sister said salt was contraindicated & when I began having vertigo episodes & drop attacks I stopped. I've not had a drop attack since the fall of ;10 perhaps. a year after I'd not eaten any salt. & my bad ear wnt good for awhile, & my hearing got perfect for awhile when I began using the artemesia absenthe. noe I eat processed foods some but no added salt/ the artemesia is very drying

  • Cee67
    Cee67 Member Posts: 119
    edited December 2014

    For those who suggested the golden beets to me, thank you. Thanks for the supplement suggestion too. I can barely find red beets and have never seen golden ones. My grocery stores may not stock them (and I use 3-4 grocery stores). I'm in California - maybe it's a regional thing, but I have a hard time finding beets at all (I don't eat them so it's ok).

    I just read an article on someone who claims to have cured his pancreatic cancer by drinking lots and lots of carrot juice. Too bad I'm not a carrot fan unless they're steamed and crisp/tender, like Chinese food.

    But supplements for the veggies that (IMO) don't taste good are awesome! I need to look up the beet supplement!

    I take a liquid multi and at the store where I got it they sell powders to add to smoothies. They have one called Reds and one called Greens. I like fruit smoothies and the proprietor told me that adding those powders into fruit smoothies is like drinking a veggie smoothie as it adds all the vegetable nutrition.

    She said once people switch to a plant-based diet they don't need the powders any more. She said I can use them indefinitely because I told her I will never be going Vegan as I don't like veggies enough. I don't have the exact names of the powders but can get them next time I go back there.

    My multi tastes like a Flintstone's chewable (for any 70s kids!) and it's supposed to be much better than the average multi bought at the drugstore. The brand is Vital Earth Minerals, and then it's the Super Multi.

    At the store they did a saliva PH test, which is not as good as the urine testing, but this is a store after all and that would be a little awkward :p I am one square off being perfectly alkaline. I may try some baking soda in water and see if it will change the result of my test.

    My friend who took me to the store, is "mostly" vegan, but says she does eat cheese and enjoys wine with it. But she drinks several cups of coffee each day and it throws off her PH. I didn't know that coffee makes a body acidic. (she found a low-acid coffee at Sprouts, so if you love coffee look for that). I'm very sensitive to coffee so I rarely drink it even though I like it. The store owner thought my not drinking coffee contributed to my good PH test result, despite me not being Vegan. I told her that I eat a *balanced* diet - the way my grandparents ate, and that is why I had a good result.

    They have an alkaline water system in the store so I may get some of the water next time I go back.

  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited December 2014

    I don't know if this counts as eating, but I figure anything that makes my body inhospitable to cancer cells is a good idea.

    I can't bear to give up my morning cup of Joe--life has to be worth living--with a little cream.

    But after that I switch to Green tea in the late morning, Ginger/tumeric tea after lunch, and Pomegranate juice with seltzer with dinner or in evening. If I want anything more, a small cup of almond milk before bed. No added sugar to any beverages ever.

    Other than some cream in my coffee, my only other dairy is a yogurt if its a work day, and I don't turn down cheese on an entree here and there--veggie lasagne, yum. I've never been a big meat eater. Red meat a few times a year, chicken a few times a week. Not much fish since the water of the world is so polluted and the world so overfished.

    Other than that, nuts, beans, veggies, fruit, complex grains. Organic whenever possible. I don't turn down the occasional treat--never been a purist, but I find the less I eat them, the less i crave them, so its about not having it around.

    I don't have time to cook nor do I particularly enjoy it. Also my 3 year old is surviving on chicken nuggets and mac-n-cheese, he turns his nose up at anything with color or texture. Husband is not into vegetables either. Usually when i come home from work they have already eaten a late lunch and I have a cup of soup or something small. I prefer main meal to be lunch. Also if I eat any carbs its weighted towards breakfast. If we order food I go vegetarian-Indian, Middle Eastern, Greek, Italian, Mexican--all have great options. In the winter, I prefer to eat warm food so I've switched off salads which I eat almost every day in the spring and summer. i'm pretty sure i've been getting over 5 servings of plant foods a day for over a decade, so I'm just concerned that i would up with a new primary cancer again anyway. I take it that we can only control so much.

    Filter your water. When I can afford it I want to get whole house water filtration.


  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited December 2014

    Re; Sauerkraut - I made some for the first time this summer - I made a beautiful one with white cabbage, red cabbage and carrots - it is a hot pink color. I think the trick for easy success is to have some kind of fermentation lock so that gases can escape and wild yeasts and things can't get in. I used the perfect pickler system: http://www.perfectpickler.com

  • kimag
    kimag Member Posts: 114
    edited December 2014

    kayb I do sauerkraut, just normal, -old style- way :) I use stone container, shred the green cabbage with some carrots, and I add a little bit of an apple too. Ad some salt, then I squeeze it with my hands so it starts to produce some liquid, ad some water with salt if some of the cabbage still not covered in the liquid, put a plate on it and clean stone (have one for kitchen :) ) or something heavier to make sure all cabbage is gone under water, then we wait, and every day I would poke it with a stick to relieve gases. It takes around 3 days depending how warm it is in the room, and how sauer you want to have it, more it stays more sauer it gets. I did read about its benefits for the guts too , same as pickled cucumbers,

  • Cee67
    Cee67 Member Posts: 119
    edited December 2014

    How cool are you to make your own sauerkraut! Thanks for telling us how :)

  • kimag
    kimag Member Posts: 114
    edited December 2014

    the apple speeds a bit process, I guess it takes some practice to create your very own perfect way to do it, my hubby usually eats it before it even fermented for good stating it is perfect as it is :),

    We do our own cottage cheese too and it is easy! let me know if anybody interested

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