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  • badhairday
    badhairday Member Posts: 178
    edited November 2014

    Syrmom, thanks for your words of encouragement. Today is a better day. I do have a support group, but I am skipping it this week, due to subject matter of the guest speaker. It is a husband speaking about dealing with the dx as a supportive caregiving spouse. Don't see myself getting through that one without a nervous breakdown. Will be taking my little guy to family group instead.

    Hockeycat, I hope your last tx goes smoothly on Weds. I understand your feelings completely about the insurance thing. I'm a practical person by nature, and not being able to make choices that you know are responsible because of the scarlet C is just one more source of irritation.

    Barremom and SueB, I have heard from several people that the last one is the hardest. I hope both of you are gaining back your strength, and I am anxious to hear what to expect as far as the hair stuff goes!

  • badhairday
    badhairday Member Posts: 178
    edited November 2014

    Poppy, you and I started chemo on the same day, and even though my tx changed, I think we will finish up at about the same time. My exhausted, skinny, bald, teary-eyed, hot flashing self will be holding your hand in spirit tomorrow. I chuckled about the Neulasta shot-ironically that's the one thing that hasn't given me grief, and I have had it 3x now.

    Jean, glad to hear your new tx is going well.

    Rose, sending up some healthy heart prayers for you.

    Toby, when will you find out what changes will be made to your tx plan? I remember the anxiety I felt over that. Sending prayers for you.

    Head hair is pretty much gone now. I actually had to pluck my brows a bit last night, and the lashes are still going strong. I am still shaving pits and legs too, although I noticed the hair isn't growing back as quickly as it used to.

  • badhairday
    badhairday Member Posts: 178
    edited November 2014

    Grrrrr! Just typed a huge post and poof! Stupid phone! Anyway...

    I need advice. I have an appointment a week from tomorrow with MO and for labs, with chemo the next day. Do I wait until then to talk to MO, or schedule an appointment before then?

    My current tx has me taking Decadron day before, day of, and day after chemo. I take Zofran every 8 hours, and take Compazine between doses of Zofran. I also take Lexapro and Ativan before bed to help with stress and sleep issues, plus a bunch of supplements approved by the MO to combat SE. I also get a bag of Decadron, Zofran and Ativan with my chemo infusion as well. On day 2 after chemo, the nausea and heartburn start, and don't let up for 3-4 days. If I take Zantac, tums or pepcid, it makes me MORE nauseous! I can't eat or drink anything without getting sick, even water gives me heartburn!

    I feel like a walking side effect! I can deal with the other stuff, but the nausea is unbearable. What do I ask for? Is anybody using something else that works for you? I am open to any suggestions.

  • Rose0766
    Rose0766 Member Posts: 92
    edited November 2014

    Badhairday, thanks for the healthy heart prayers! As far as the nausea and heartburn goes, something to ponder: maybe you're getting too much decadron, ask MO if he can cut you back to the IV only, oral decadron can cause heartburn and nausea, I know everybody has a different treatment schedule, when I received my doses of AC, I got IV decadron only, I didnt have nausea, but got the heartburn and severe gas, I've been living on Pepcid Complete, Gas-x, and tums here and there, also while the adriamycin infused I drank Ice water and sucked on ice chips, not sure if that made the difference, but I read on here that it would help prevent mouth sores, so I guess I'm wondering if the GI track was effected as well? I also get emend and alloxi IV prior to the chemo, both are for nausea prevention. Not sure if your MO uses either of these, but it's worth asking. Hope your stomach straightens out for you!

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited November 2014

    Just got home from spending time with a bunch of friends, who all told me how great I look... strong, happy and energetic! LOL! Fake it until I make it!

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited November 2014

    badhairday, prilosec over the counter has proven to work for me for the bad heartburn during A/C.  Love, Jean 

  • badhairday
    badhairday Member Posts: 178
    edited November 2014

    Beautiful day here in Cleveland.  Like Poppy, I decided to fake it until I make it, so Little E and I set off for the outdoor mall. 1.5 miles each way! Plus the wandering around we did once we got there. He picked out a Minecraft toy as a reward for 5 spelling test grades of 100%! My little smartie pants! We did some window shopping to get ideas for his birthday and for Santa.  I'm completely pooped and will need a nap before cub scouts for sure! It was nice to get out and do something normal, even though I felt bad. 

    I wonder how much of this Little E will remember, both the good and bad. I am so blessed to have him to keep me moving forward, even when the easiest thing would be to throw in the towel. This little guy has no idea that he is literally saving my life!  

  • sybilskelton
    sybilskelton Member Posts: 77
    edited November 2014

    Badhairday, I haven't had nearly the problem with nausea that I was expecting, I've only had to use the Zofran a couple of times, and I haven't even cracked open the Phenergan they gave me, that stuff is for emergencies only as I prefer to remain conscious. I have used some marijuana a few times, and the stuff is a miracle. It stops the nausea as well as stimulating your appetite and it makes food taste better. I'd forgotten about the "munchies". In my experience the effects are not long lasting but they are immediate, and since you don't have to swallow anything, no vomiting. You sound like you're really suffering so in my opinion it's worth a shot, especially if you live some place where medicinal use is legal. I live in Texas - stupid drug laws.

    I start my Taxol on Friday and I'm really anxious about it. I guess it will be a whole new set of issues, but we shall see.

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited November 2014

    Chemo infusion today went smoothly. All my numbers were good... so no Neulasta!

    The best news, only one more cycle of TC! My MO believes 4 cycles will be enough! Because my cancer is sooo hormone dependent, the anti-hormonals will be key to my treatment plan. Plus rads, of course.

    So happy I have an end date for chemo!

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited November 2014

    OH, Poppy, I am so happy for you!!!  We want pictures of you ringing the bell!!!

  • badhairday
    badhairday Member Posts: 178
    edited November 2014

    Sybil, I live in Ohio, so no medicinal marijuana for me. I had a friend offer to get me some, but I am terrified that my soon to be ex would find out and use it against me. I'm also concerned about how long it would stay in my system, as I am going to have to go back to work as soon as I am up to it, and so many employers drug test these days, especially in accounting. Although the longer this nausea lingers, the more tempting it sounds.

    Poppy, so glad to hear that you only have 1 more! That's really great news! 2 more for me. Just think, in 3 weeks, we will be posting that we are done! I'm so looking forward to that, for both of us!

    I have decided to call the doctor tomorrow. I really can't take any more of this nausea and heartburn. Tomorrow makes a week since infusion, and the nausea has never lasted this long or been this bad. I'm not sure what is going on, but this can't be normal. Even water gives me raging heartburn! (My friend thinks that I may have sores in my throat, and that my heartburn may not actually be heartburn! All I know is that my esophagus feels like I swallowed fire!)

    I did manage to eat a bit today, and keep it down, so I guess that's better than nothing.

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited November 2014

    I wish they had a bell.

    But, my DH has presented me with a piece of jewelry on each infusion day! And he brings a special dessert. Today it was gourmet cupcakes from Casey's Cupcakes (a local shop who won on Food Network's Cupcake Wars).

  • badhairday
    badhairday Member Posts: 178
    edited November 2014

    Poppy, your post about your husband brought tears to my eyes. You are very blessed!

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited November 2014

    Yes, and I appreciate him so much. Relationship wise, we've had good years and more distant or difficult ones. But we've always been together and make our family the priority. He has exhausted himself trying to do his job and take care the kids and I. We met at college; I was 17, he was 19. We've been together ever since. Married after we graduated, worked, traveled... for 10 years before we had kids. Neither one of us is perfect, but we work things out.

    As many here know, our high school senior son is seeing a counselor to work on his behavior/attitude issues. During a session with the boy, my DH and I, the counselor asked about our family communication and conflict resolution. My son, who is very angry with us right now, said that my DH and I communicate well, agree on most things, show respect to each other, and rarely raise our voices. Wow, I was floored. Freely said by a kid who is very unhappy with our parenting.

    Thanks for the support.

  • HockeyCat
    HockeyCat Member Posts: 222
    edited November 2014

    barremom, SueBe, Congrats on finishing chemo! I'm not sure how I feel in the chemo chair tomorrow…. I'm happy to finish chemo but not until I get over all the SEs.

    badhairday, thank you. Scarlet C sucks! Sorry you are having hard SEs. Luckily I only get mind nausea. I drink homemade ginger teas. If it doesn't work, I'd take Ativan to sleep or Zofran (when I'm at work) Hope you'll feel better soon!

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited November 2014

    Badhairday -- Wow, I do the accounting for a law firm.  It just keeps getting even more eerily similar.  My Husband had the burning of the esophagus and heartburn, it turns out it is acid reflux.   He is fine now, as long as he takes his medicine. 

    Gee, Poppy, what a great husband.  I have one of those, most of the time.  We have been married for 32 years, some good, some bad, but nevertheless, we have built a strong partnership.  Like yours he has lived this nightmare every step and appointment with me.  Lived through raising a son and now looking forward to retirement, someday, soon, hopefully. 

  • SueBe
    SueBe Member Posts: 131
    edited November 2014

    Badhairday, have you tried coconut water. I had bad nausea and heartburn/acid and after two glasses it helped it a lot. Also sleeping on you left side seems to help.

  • Rosebud1445
    Rosebud1445 Member Posts: 16
    edited November 2014

    Good morning ladies!

    This morning I'll be receiving the 3rd of my four chemo treatments.  Hoping for minimal SE's as I have so far. The one I dread the most is the lack of taste as I really enjoy tasting my food!  When I left school yesterday all the other teachers wished me well...I couldn't ask to work with a better bunch of gals!  I don't post often here but I do check in to see how y'all are doing.  You're an incredible group of very strong women who by no choice of your own are doing what you've got to do!  Right now just maintain and have as good of a day as you can and a better one tomorrow :)

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited November 2014

    Hi Everyone,  It's been a while since I posted but I do read your posts every day.  So much useful info and inspiration from very courageous women.  

    I finish my 4th AC chemo treatment Wednesday.  My treatment plan is to now complete 12 weeks of Taxol and then mastectomy followed by radiation.  We decided to do the chemo first to try to shrink the area of lobular cancer and also because it was found in a lymph node.  My MO sent me to the surgeon yesterday who sent me for an MRI.  They wanted to see if the area has shrunk.  I haven't rec'd back the MRI results yet but an ultrasound in the surgeon's office didn't show much difference.  The progression has definitely stopped but the area didn't look like it shrunk much.  They assured me the MRI will show a better picture.  

    I'm a little nervous because they may decide to postpone the Taxol and do the mastectomy first - then Taxol and radiation.  I'm depressed thinking this terrible AC chemo did nothing.  I'm also nervous about the mastectomy.  I'm not ready for it.  I'm worried about lymphedema since I'm going to have lymph nodes removed as well.  well, in truth, I'm worried about everything today. 

    I'm going to wait for the MRI results and am trying to remain positive but yesterday was not a good day for me.  In addition to seeing the surgeon, having my Neulasta shot and an MRI, I'm really having a lot of SE from the chemo.  Just another crappy cancer day, I guess.

  • barremom64
    barremom64 Member Posts: 191
    edited November 2014

    Kaya-  You are certainly processing A LOT right now. I can imagine its fustrating to think you did all that AC for no results. Wait to see what the MRI shows and at the very least you stopped the progression- which is great- and the chemo is over which is double GREAT!

    Digest one thing at a time. Next mastectomy?  Terrific lets get this crap out of you right?  It's a long f***ing journey but you can do it. You have to do it. Start doing your mastectomy research, getting prepared always helps me feel like I have some control. I too worried about lymphodema and had a therapist ready to go a few weeks post op. The sooner you address Lymphodema the better, so having presurgery measurements done and making appts for PT after mastectomy felt, again, like I had some control.  Also getting PT appointments can be challenging. I have been seeing her since August and am so glad I did that, it made a difference. 

    Everyone has days of constant worry that's ok- I worried about mastectomy, picking surgeons, mastectomy recovery, lymphodema, cancer spreading, reconstruction, onca scores, chemo, my hair loss, genetic testing, my kids, money etc etc. I still worry, some days more then others but worry is there. Some days I wallow in it most days I try to get on top of it by being productive. 

    I wish you the best!  (((Hugs))) 

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited November 2014

    Rosebud, Wishing you the best this infusion day. I can't taste food much either. I basically focus on eating so I can recover and heal faster.

    Kaya, I know you've gone through much with this AC. Waiting for test results is difficult. Even if the AC didn't shrink the tumor in your breast, it is a systemic treatment. It will have killed cancer cells that may be lurking else where in your body.  Barremom, gave you excellent advice. I wish I had taken measurements prior to surgery; It would have been so helpful while watching out for lymphedema. One step at a time! (I have to remind myself of this frequently.)

    It's okay to have bad days.... those are the days I rely on others for help and support.... many times only from the women on this board, because they KNOW what I am facing and understand!

    Wishing you good test results, and minimum SE!

    Poppy

  • sybilskelton
    sybilskelton Member Posts: 77
    edited November 2014

    Something very cool happened. I'm starting 12 weeks of Taxol today, and my doctor's office let me know that the drug manufacturer has a financial assistance program available. I have been staggered by the costs of these chemo drugs, and even though I have hit the out of pocket limit on my insurance for this year, I was a bit concerned about when January rolls around and everything starts over. This is a huge help, so if money is an issue and they don't volunteer this to you, ask.


  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited November 2014

    barremom, thanks for the good suggestions.  I'm going to look into a seeing a therapist right away.  I'm not sure what's available in my area but I should be able to find some information.  You're right, it's better to do something than sit around and worry.  I'm going to start my research and prepare myself.  It helps so much to have this discussion board to help bring me back to reality.  Thanks guys.

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited November 2014

    KayaRose, Barremom has the best advice.  My surgeon gave me some exercises before I was discharged from the hospital to start the day after I got home.  About one week later, I was seeing a therapist for Lymphodema and have not had any problems with it.  Talk to your surgeon, have them set up an appointment with a therapist and get pre-surgery measurements.  "just another crappy cancer day", NO, just another wonderful day to be alive!!!!!

    Badhairday,  Are you alright?? 

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited November 2014

    Anyone here who is her2 positive please be sure to ask about herceptin / perjeta if it is not in your treatment plan. These are miracle drugs that target the Her2 markers. Love, Jean

  • badhairday
    badhairday Member Posts: 178
    edited November 2014

    Rosebud, I hope your infusion went smoothly and you are feeling well.

    KayaRose, I'm sorry for what you are going through. This disease is so frustrating because the game plan changes so often. Barremom has great advice, as usual. I don't know if this helps, but the mastectomy was the easiest part of this journey for me. I read several posts on the mastectomy threads, got prepared as best I could. It was far easier than chemo has been for me.

    Sybil, thanks for the info. I start a new deductible Jan 1, and I am already worried about how I am going to pay for things. I'm making payments on my out of pocket costs for 2014, which thankfully I have maxed. I joked with the doctor that she better make sure I live for 50 more years, because it's going to take that long for me to pay for this.

    I'm slowly returning to the land of the living. Been sleeping a lot. Saw my MO yesterday, and my heartburn is not heartburn. I have ulcerative sores in my esophagus. No more pop, coffee, spicy food, orange juice, etc. Let's just say that without my coffee and diet coke, I am not the sweetest person in the world! But I am feeling so much better.

    In other news, Little E is still the love of my life and my reason for fighting the good fight! My soon to be ex is still an ass. And I have a night out with a girlfriend planned for tomorrow night. Food, drinks, and the chance to win $1000! All paid for and no children allowed. Really looking forward to having a bit of fun. I haven't had a drop of alcohol since starting chemo, and would love to have a glass of wine. Thoughts?

  • barremom64
    barremom64 Member Posts: 191
    edited November 2014

    badhairday- ahhhh... The joys of a glass of wine. As a girl who enjoys her wine, I choose not to drink during chemo. I just felt it wouldn't be helping me in any way. My liver is already working hard enough processing these chemo drugs. Some MO say yes it's ok some say no. You'd have to check with yours of course. With the sore issues in your throat I wouldn't think it was a good idea. It may agrevate it. I just finished chemo and am waiting till I'm feeling 100%, ok maybe 80%;) to enjoy the first glass of expensive champagne!. After all I've been through I'm popping the good stuff! Enjoy your night out I'm so proud of you for living large and getting out and about and I hope you come with the jackpot!

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited November 2014

    Just wanted to post good news for a change. My MO called me yesterday with the results of the MRI I had on Thursday afternoon. The cancer area has definitely shrunk. The chemo is working! No mastectomy yet. Going to continue on the original treatment plan and finish 12 weeks of taxol before surgery. So relieved to know the chemo is doing its job. I feel like I've been on a roller coaster for the last few days and can finally relax. Still sick from the SE but can cope better today. Yes.

    Nomatterwhat - thanks for reminding me of what's important and what I have to be grateful for. Yes, another wonderful day to be alive. I'll keep working on gratitude.

  • barremom64
    barremom64 Member Posts: 191
    edited November 2014

    Kaya- GREAT news! Enjoy your weekend with minimal SE!!!!

    I'm a worrier too... I'm working on it as it so damaging. Here's one of my favorite quotes...

    "Worrying doesn't take away tomorrow's trouble... it takes away todays peace"

  • drowsiemuffin
    drowsiemuffin Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2014


    I just wanted to say Hi.  I started AC on my bday 9/19/14.  I've finished the four AC and start Taxol/Herceptin next week. The tumor is smaller but I've recently noticed that breast has a different consistency now than before and there are little lumps and sore spots at upper breast/under the arm (tumor is lower).  Don't know what that means. Appt w/surgeon who will hopefully do a new ultrasound to see on Tuesday.  Anyway, glad to find this support.  Haven't found any support groups nearby that meet after work or weekends (even the nurse navigators can't find me one). 

    xo

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