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  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited August 2014

    Keep an eye on your glass at all times, Susan. Sas is on a roll.

  • susan3
    susan3 Member Posts: 3,728
    edited August 2014

    at least one of of is..I'm jealous !!!!!!

  • Pawprint
    Pawprint Member Posts: 464
    edited August 2014

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    in memory of FBB...I started painting it after I heard FBB died. I felt sad and everywhere I looked I noticed the color blue. So my new yard art that will hold a small amount of birdseed will always remind me of her. 

  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited August 2014

    Very nice, Pawprint!

  • susan3
    susan3 Member Posts: 3,728
    edited August 2014

    pawprint,,can I buy one from you .

  • 3rdtimenow
    3rdtimenow Member Posts: 256
    edited August 2014

    No Sas, I had no idea what you have been through, I am so sorry to hear this and I appreciate your support so much. I agree it's time for me to face facts, I have too much stress in my life,  not nearly what you have been through. Mom and MIL with dementia, sister with frontal lobe dementia and  a special needs grandson that we help care for along with the 3 cancer diagnoses , and fibromyalgia, I need help in dealing with it. Thanks for the wake up call. You are a strong women, hugs back to you. Stephanie

  • blondiex46
    blondiex46 Member Posts: 5,712
    edited August 2014


    beautiful Paw and I wish I could sleep also, 2 of my grandchildren are here 2 and 8 year old, daughter working tomorrow and Michael wants to go to Pizza hut tomorrow for lunch, who knows...walmart for food...I am doing ok cept for the sleeping thing went to bed last night at 430 and slept off and on until 215.....just took clonadine...it should work in a while.....

  • Smaarty
    Smaarty Member Posts: 2,951
    edited August 2014

    I'm up, but it's only 9:30 here.  Was up at 4 last night, didn't really get back to sleep.  Tired already. Still haven't gotten to sew and my new PC is still in the box. Ugg!  

    Don't know what I'll get done tomorrow. Then I'm heading out of town for a few days. Get some sleep you guys!

    Oh yeah, anybody else having a problem with having to log in every time you come back here? 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2014

    hey there Smaarty! Don't have that problem, having probs with Search though.

    I am so far behind, hoping the rest of the country is sleeping so I can get caught up.

  • JWoo
    JWoo Member Posts: 1,171
    edited August 2014

    Ladies, I have a question. Those of you that have had mastectomies, do you have pain in your sternum area all the time? LIke, if you press on it at all? Sometimes I find that it is really sharp pain. Very strange. 

  • Smaarty
    Smaarty Member Posts: 2,951
    edited August 2014

    nope, never in the sternum. Boobs still ache off and on, but it's only been 6 mos with the implants.

  • PattyPeppermint
    PattyPeppermint Member Posts: 11,162
    edited August 2014

    hey SAS thanks for the info re nausea. I have bookmarked it. Will have to reread it later. Eyes very heavy. Close to sleep time  - I hope.  

  • Holeinone
    Holeinone Member Posts: 2,478
    edited August 2014

    Smarrty, yes, I also have to log in every time....

    Sas, thanks for reading & picking up on my comments about the card, it's strange cause even though its in my junk drawer, I have no memory of buying it, or getting it. The message sounds like the hokey pokey, that's what's it's all about, but it is very true, about being happy in your own skin. 

    It will be in my thoughts, & on my refrigerator for a long time. I really think of her as a gift, to appreciate time, nature, each other. 

  • Holeinone
    Holeinone Member Posts: 2,478
    edited August 2014

    opps, forgot on the last post...

    Pawprint, your bluebird is awesome.....I love it !

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2014

    hi all! Reading back a couple pages so I'll try to catch up. 

    Before I go too far, want to apologize about going on and on about mom and dad. The whole situation seems to be consuming me lately and I have no one else to discuss it with. I do have a friend who also has cancer (not BC, but thyroid, skin and something else), alcoholism in a family member and dementia/Alzheimer's (her DH) in her life too, but she's in denial about the Alz and she doesn't like to discuss it. So sorry to burden you all, especially those of you who are going thru a more difficult life than I am. I don't want to continue adding stress to stress. 

    Nettie, so sorry I missed your birthday. Happy belated wishes! Have to keep reading to find out more. 

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    Ooooo, Nettie, your family treated you like a queen! Lucky you! Those earrings are stunning!

    Tang, about the oily face situation: my face was always oily and prone to breakouts. Chemo was the first time since I was a teen that it cleared up. So much so, some lady commented how pretty my skin looked then (I didn't wear makeup). Went thru menopause, adult acne came back. Starting tamoxifen also brought it back. Sassy will probably say it has to do with hormones, or lack of. Mention it at your next appt. not life-shattering but annoying and adds to the stress level. Hang in there. So sorry about your step-mother's mother going into hospice, getting to that point is very difficult. I'm afraid as fast as the disease is progressing, we'll have to start thinking about that soon. Big dilemma with the work function, need to keep reading to see how it turns out......

    Chevy, love the post about creating a password. So true. 

    LMG, didn't remember about Chatsworth, my DH was raised near there (I was an OC girl, back before it was known as the OC). Lucky we didn't have mudslides, but they weren't too far away. About fireworks: very illegal in most areas, especially where I am. There have been a couple major fires in the areas, so fireworks are no-no's. However, can't stop people from going to cities that sell them for the 4th, then they save them for the rest of the year. Also, Mexico, (Tijuana) is only a couple hours a way so they get them there. We have so much dry brush in our area, they're really stupid to light them off. 

    PattyP, hope you're feeling better and well enough for school clothes shopping. I always used to enjoy that and buying school supplies. Miss that. 

    Chevy, from what I've learned, long term care is for nursing home not assisted living and assisted living is very expensive. Doesn't seem fair: can't care for them but can't afford the care, so what to do?

    3rd, good for you getting so far on the rads, looks like not much longer? Hoping that goes quickly with few SE's. 

    Hi1, so glad you got some time for you, I'm sure it helped to charge your batteries especially since you've been under so much stress. DH is lucky to have you!

    Cami, envy you on the weather issue. It's so stinking hot here, been more humid than usual. Now I feel for the rest of the country. 

    Not sure who was having problems with LE. Before I could get insurance to pay for compression sleeves, I would wrap my affected arm loosely with ace bandages, again, not tight. Worked pretty well and not too expensive. Careful with it though. The term I have learned to use is DME (durable medical equipment), for some reason that opens more doors. 

    Enerva, you always post the prettiest pictures! Thank you for sharing and putting a smile on my face! 

    Sassy, thanks for all the wise words! I understand the progression of Alz. DM's mother went thru this back in the 70's before Alz care. She got to the point you mentioned, infant level, restrained in bed. Difficult to see. We have been told mom's case is "bad" meaning very rapid regression. Saw Mom today, bruise it turning the lovely shade of yellow. Was told she hasn't been eating and I spent an hour and a half putting a small bite on her fork, handing her the fork, saying nothing or very little, she was taking small bites (put my behavior mod skills at work). Also helped that I asked for a second plate, took half the food off the plate so it wasn't overwhelming.  In all that time she needed a diaper change but because she said no, they didn't take her. That didn't make me happy, I'll deal with that issue tomorrow. Will discuss skin protection creams, thanks for the advice. Had a long (and nice) talk to head nurse: she wasn't there when the "incident" occurred and records weren't adequate. Apparently mom threw herself on the floor, kicking, screaming and cursing and seems she hit her head on the floor. She's on Coumadin, need I say more? Informed that it wasn't acceptable we weren't notified as it totally freaked out Dad. 

    LMG, you're right, those records are non-existant, they didn't even ask about how much fluid consumed (she liked the juice today, wouldn't drink water, so had the cup filled with juice). Most people there aren't as bad off as mom. Will also find out about podiatry care (they have, it's an extra charge). Spoke with Dad weeks ago about this (moms toe nails are horrendous, I'll spare details), he was there the day Mom moved it, wanted her seen, Dad objected because they have Kaiser (which cuts her nails because of Coumadin). Staff got one foot done as it hurt for her to put on shoes,probably wouldn't let them do other foot. 

    Paw, beautiful job! You do great work. I miss FBB too, such a nice way to remember her. How are you feeling? Energy level any better? 

    My brother and nephew were supposed to come out to Dad's today. Trip got cancelled at last minute. Sad story. 

    My wasp sting is really bad now, lots of swelling under both eyes and eyelids. I think I look a lot like the character in Mask (with Cher). Would have gone to urgent care but Dad needed me. Been putting aloe and a gel pack on it, too close to my eyes for anything. Taking anti-his times but they don't seem to help. I'd post a photo but it would scare the pants off all of you!

    Okay, caught up for now, getting really tired so I'll post for now. Dad is asleep and there are things I want to get done before he wakes up.

    Hugs all around! Know that if I didn't mention you here by name, you're all in my thoughts.,

    Happy Hump Day!

  • Enerva
    Enerva Member Posts: 3,162
    edited August 2014

    Jwoo I do, I have the pain in the sternum too and yes I asked before and no body seam to know what I meant,  very sharp but comes and goes for me, I haven't ask my onco cuz my exchange surgery is at the end of the month and I don't want anything to stop me from having it lol after that if this continues I ll bring it up at my next appointment. I have no idea what it is. But again I have all kind of pain in the chest area from the mx and rad. :(

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited August 2014

    Oh Damn I hate when I get this far behind--I do remember things (sme) but don't remember who The bird was beautiful as well as the picture. Isn't it funny how u notice more when something happens. I still cn't get over FBB really.

    And the itchiness can drive me wild, I get so itchy but even scratching u'r numb there so u can't feel the scratch but can feel the itch. I actually have scratch marks on me cuz I scratch so hard.

    If u can buy a fitted arm sleeve with a hand for 100. buy it--mine was redicockulously expensive and my ins. cover only 150.00, which was awful, I went much cheaper for my legs and they help too, But when it's hot it's a little uncomfortable. I know I got mine after chemo and rads and all of a sudden there was all kinds of swelling like I need more skin on me. That 's why I say fly with caution.

    Blondie u'r going to be busy, but just take it easy and enjoy.

    Today just flew by--I was so busy with my personal papers and work before I knew it the day flied by and I was hardly on the computer except to work on something. My eyes then but and back hurts so I have to stay off for a while. Now I woke up and I'm not so tired meaning I will be sleeping most of the day, and I hate that really. At least I have my comedies on TV

    Kids seem to be starting school so early this year, just a few more weeks--I'm so selfish I love having Joey home. Oh well..

  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited August 2014

    Jwoo,  I have pain my sternum pretty much all the time.  I have had 2 bone scans since treatment ended and nothing lights up.  The last scan was in the eve of March.

  • Nettie1964
    Nettie1964 Member Posts: 759
    edited August 2014


    Surely some of you can relate to this!!  Hope it doesn't offend anyone!

     

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  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited August 2014


    haha nettie....seeems that way sometimes doesn't it?

    I just spoke to my manager and told her I wouldn't be able to attend the dinner. I don't feel good about it, but she was understanding.

    I've got a busy day or 2 ahead of me. Rads today and tomorrow rads and going to see ID doctor. I am still having pain in my left side and last couple of nights running a temp of 99.3-99.6, I know these aren't high temps but I can tell that something is off. I will get very cold and wrap up in a blanket for about an hour...then it breaks. Also the chest area looks pink-red again. *sigh* Why????

  • Smaarty
    Smaarty Member Posts: 2,951
    edited August 2014

    2nd, no apologies needed. We all have complaints, so you're no different then the rest of us.   As far as the cost of nursing homes and assisted living, I've found out a few things from helping my SIL with her friend.  Also had a GF who had a stroke and was in a nursing home for a year. The state will pick up the tab on the difference of their income and the cost of the home. My GF's income wasn't a lot and the state didn't make her sell her home (her boys rented it out). She was there for a little over a year. With my SIL's  friend, his income is about 5k a month, the assisted living (not skilled nursing care). Is $7500 a month. He pays all of it now until all his money is gone. When it is gone then the state will pick up the difference. I believe it's through Medi-Cal. If you or your dad are paying for all your mom' cost the staff should be able to help get you info on what the state can do to help. There's various programs available to help.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited August 2014

    JWOOOOOOOOOOOOlove toseeyou----I had sternal pain for years, now five years out and there was some point tenderness earlier this year. I just poked around and there doesn't seem to be any.

    BBL, Have enodcrin appt with local doc and bigwig endocrin report not at locals office. I may fire local endo doc today

    3rd, we all have our stress. Mine was tough, but it's not a race. PTSD is hugely related to all things life threatening and that which wreaks are well being. In 2009 the medical community was NOT recognizing this with BC. Only since has it been widely accepted. BUT the acceptance didn't flow through to do anything with the knowledge i.e suggesting to patients that counseling was useful. My center had all kinds of groups, but I didn't consider them-----I didn't need them I was tough. Well lol, then I learned from a woman writing about dogs, that I was VERY WRONG. God bless her. Since then it's been on the front burner to suggest to others Bless you Stephie :)

    2TA sounds like symptoms way worse. Could be working up to cellulitis chickie. Get the to a doc soon. Asap. With bugs it's not just the venom. Their bites are DIRTY. Antibiotics are used frequently. PLUS, I missed the boat on where you were stung. The nose tip is primarily cartilage. It tends to allow bacteria to set up house keeping easier b/c blood supply to the tip is less than other facial areas. Areas that have very good blood supply bring those little white blood cell infection fighters in droves.

    Tang, facial skin lots to say, but on a mission. We will talk later Okay?

  • Pawprint
    Pawprint Member Posts: 464
    edited August 2014

    Good morning everyone...thank you for the nice comments on the bird I'm painting. Susan, I picked it up at an outdoor garden gift shop. If I ever go back there I'll see if they have any others. 

    Tang, I'm sorry you're in pain and having fevers. Hope the doc figures out what's going on.

    JWoo, I had a mastectomy and I've never had pain in the sternum area. I hope the pain goes away for you soon. 

    2nd, yes, I think I'm feeling more energy. I have blood draws and infusion tomorrow and will know my lab numbers after that. So maybe we can do lunch soon?? I know it's not easy and you're probably spending most of your time visiting the folks. We can pm eachother. 

    Sas, l love what you wrote about the value of seeing a therapist/counselor. Cancer creates such trauma response, and if there is a trauma history already it can bring up so much. PTSD is definitely a problem, and therapy helps us work thru and process all those feelings and related behaviors.

    Hugs to all who need a hug today......

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited August 2014

    Tang---Keywords that you used---"Pain, I can tell that something is off. I will get very cold and wrap up in a blanket for about an hour...then it breaks. Also the chest area looks pink-red again." Temp--99.3-99.6"

    Good that you are seeing ID doc. Will try to give you some information to help.

    TEMP--What is nornal? There was a landmark study in the late 90's. Good solid research. Problem is it didn't get incorporated into medical and /nursing teaching or practice. The conclusion of the study was: That normal temperature should be considered a range from 96-99. That individual patients baseline temperature should be considered before a judgement regarding whether the temperature is within normal range. For example, if the patients baseline temperature is 96, and they now present with a 99(yours 99.6)The temperature for that patient is abnormal even though it is within or close to normal range. Conversely, if a patients baseline temperature is 99 that is within normal range i.e not elevated on the previously accepted value of 98.6.

    Within the article it gave the historical record of how 98.6 was established as normal. Very bad science, but it was from 1850(+ or -) The 1850 scientists took 50 peoples temperature and AVERAGED them. The average was 98.6. 

    What was shocking to me at the time is that this wasn't re-looked at by scientist until the 1990's. Then with good research the thinking in the medical community hasn't changed OH well.

    You are chilling then feel a break in the temp. That tells me your body is reacting systemically. This is a key piece of info for your doc. All, the other symptoms add up to--- somethings brewing.

    Posting now in hopes you gets this before visit

    Additionally, any seasoned professional or listening newbie professional will pay close attention to the words. "I can tell somethings off" . Trigger words and phrases are numerous. The key is that if "We listen close, the patient will tell us what;s wrong". Regretfully, that's often not done, but for those that do, they often have marvelous reputations for finding what others don't. :)

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited August 2014

    Didn't want to muddy up the response to Tang. But need to add a comparison of good and bad research that was applied and is accepted in the medical/nursing community. In the late 90's a study was published re:"The affect of crossed legs on blood pressure." The conclusion of the study was that crossed legs could falsely elevate the blood pressure reading. 

    Sounds reasonable. But there was a serious flaw in the study, the exact description of the crossed legs was not defined. May sound trite. But that's the point of research----absolute definition of all steps completed in the research. I was dismayed that this study passed peer review. Sloppy study. But for several years it is now accepted practice to ask the patient to uncross their legs. The research was sloppy, but it can do no harm. A simple definition like--"all patients were seated in a chair" and further defined "with the right leg crossed over the left leg" and then repeated  "with the left leg crossed over the right leg"  and " all patients were laying in bed with legs crossed st ankle". That would have been absolute well defined steps to prove the hypothesis.

    Then you have the very valuable Temperature study. Very well done by the scientific method. It doesn't make it to universal acceptance. Tangs ID doc will GET her description, I'm sure. The problem is too many other disciplines don't b/c it didn't make it to the basic teaching through textbooks.     LOL TMI

  • Nettie1964
    Nettie1964 Member Posts: 759
    edited August 2014


    I just love reading here!!  Sas, you have so much info, I think I need to start a notebook and print things out for use in the future! Then there is always a smile waiting to be found!  And I always have a prayer for those hurting and in distress!!  I haven't had time lately to address each personally, but I have been trying to keep up, but remembering is the hard part for me!

    Another day with very minimal back pain for me......woohoo!!!  Hope this is the beginning of the end of the back pain!

    Just another little funny to hopefully give some of you a smile>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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  • luvmygoats
    luvmygoats Member Posts: 2,942
    edited August 2014

    Yes Sassy I agree that the "chilling" was the clincher for me too. Reading back Tang's note I think ID doc is tomorrow maybe. That and the change in color since I assume Tang's been monitoring it. And "something's off".

    Pawprint - thanks for the bluebird in the garden. I'm going to look for something too. Hopefully I can find one of those garden flags.

    2TA - if your eye area is that inflamed I would go see a doc. Not the area to be taking chances with. You may need something for next sting. Not sure if there is an intermediate step between Benadryl and Epi-Pen. And hey girl complain all you want. We may not have an answer but we are here to listen. Make friends with wait staff in dining room. If you or your dad is not able to mark her menu they should at least note what things she likes. The "won't eat" list could change, don't be surprised. The water may taste different there or be colder/warmer than she's used to. If the juice gets too strong for her water it down. And yet strong tastes sometimes are better. Try a smaller fork - dessert size. Smart to 1/2 the food amount; maybe get smaller plate too. And I don't want to sound tacky (been there with my GM) but she is like a small child. Eating/not eating is a matter of control and one that she still has. That and there is no connection left to feeling of hunger or thirst. I usually found that pt would drink better than eat. Have you tried the sippy cup that sucks up from the bottom? I had a lot of pts that used those. Does she still suck on a straw? Then again I've been in NH that would not use straws. Can't remember the reason.

    3rdtime - and same to you too. You've got a bundle on your plate. Listening post is open for business.

    Smaarty - not sure about your question about logging in. Yes I do when I've shut system off but otherwise not. But I leave "Favorites" open in a tab during the day. 

    O my Nettie If only if only there was such a medicine. Great about the back pain being gone.

  • Smaarty
    Smaarty Member Posts: 2,951
    edited August 2014

    Nettie, when you find the drug, make sure you share it here!

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    Where's Chevy, is this the days she was going to be gone? Can't remember. Hi bbl.

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited August 2014

    Hi everyone--Just me---wow I never men to get behind but it always seems like I do.

    OK again I get confused.

    isn't  fever and chills the sign of some type of infection--altho I did read a while back tht some get this periodically thruout all this crap. I still get a small one like 99.5 with the chills every so often and there isn't any connection to anything yet. I just know I have it. But u should  definitely tell u'r Dr.

    Im just so tired most of the time, I get so mad at myself cuz I'm not productive at all. oops there goes my phone

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited August 2014

    I'm back--I got busy and then my boss came by and I just love that guy so much and his wife was with him (pregnant) and she is so sweet, My cousin is so proud to have her grandsons so sweet and caring. His brother is the same way too. This will be her first great GC (I think it's a boy.)

    Anyway I totally forgot what else I was going to say, so if I think of it--I will be back, and where is Chevy?????

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