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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    some spices are valuable for this trouble as well.  in my home-ground spice mix I use a lot of black peppercorns.  bought a pound of organic ones some time ago & grind up a lot often, putting them in soups primarily

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited June 2014

    Pipers, did the book address varieties bred for longevity on the supermarket shelf? And high sugar content?   By definition, I'd guess they'd be the least nutritious, as their little vitamins and so forth have so much time to dissipate?  I'm thinking farmers' markets are the place to shop, when possible? 


     

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited June 2014

    So I am I to understand that drinking a fruit smoothie every other dayas a meal replacement is unhealthy? I make my own using a cup of frozen strawberries, one banana, 2 oz skim milk and half a cup of greek yogurt. I have never been a big fruit/veggie fan and this is one the few ways I'll actually eat fruit! I thought I was doing something good for myself and am now wondering if I should drop it.

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited June 2014

    Yes, your smoothie is healthy, Lala.  It provides protein, calcium, vitamins and minerals.  On this particular thread, however, there is a particular focus on cancer and how food might help us prevent recurrence.  Now, you might have noticed that I kind of rant about carbs, especially simple carbs, and how it is wise to combine them with foods that offer protein, fiber, fat, basically anything, in order to slow their race to the bloodstream.  From this point of view, you've done beautifully.  Not only are you using whole fruits, but you are combining them with protein foods.

    Now, while I am perfectly comfortable with dairy, you'll notice that not everyone here shares my opinion, so someone may well jump in and suggest that you reduce that food group in your diet, and, hopefully, will explain why.  While lots of foods have been shown to  slow the growth of cancer in rats, or the laboratory, or such, there is sadly little research on foods, and we know a cure has not yet been identified..  We're all looking for the magic pill/food/attitude. The basic fact is that lots of us ate all the right stuff for years and years, and it did not prevent our cancers.  Probably the best any of us can do is read, read, read, grill our oncs, eradicate the clear offenders from our diets, and keep in touch on these threads, so we can share our discoveries, successes and defeats.  The problem here is nobody knows for sure what works, so we're all on our own, in hope, and in bc sisterhood.

  • vbishop
    vbishop Member Posts: 616
    edited June 2014

    mint chocolate chip ice cream....

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited June 2014

    Thanks BrooksideVT! That was beautifully answered!! Wish my doctors were that clear and concise! ;)

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    Lala, that sounds like a good smoothie. Berries are high in nutrients and fairly low on sugar. As Brook said, it is important to combine the carbs (the sugar in the fruit) with protein (yogurt) and fibre (using the whole berry). You are good to go. 

    What you want to avoid is drinking a lot of fruit juice (and certain veggie juices), because you get a lot of sugar that way and much less fibre.

  • 16Christine
    16Christine Member Posts: 23
    edited June 2014

    lala -

    I also have fresh fruit and yogurt for lunch, with a glass of water. I don't blend it, usually.

    I've thought long and hard about the juicing and smoothie issue. I decided that it is good to chew your fruit and veg, mixing with saliva to start digestion in the mouth, not at the bottom of the stomach. I have not read this anywhere recently, but I did learn it in nursing school and it makes sense to me.

  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited June 2014

    Re: juicing.   I sometime make green juices or take wheatgrass.   Basically I feel healthier when I have them.   My body seems to like the alkalinity.  I am a big gardener, and a couple of days ago I picked a large grocery bag full of greens.   I couldn't have eaten that much salad.  I did have a large salad later in the day, so I did get a lot of fiber that way. The majority of it was lettuce, but also other greens, a little bok choi, swiss chard, one small beet with greens, one leaf of kale.... also fennel and a little celery.  I added some herbs - small amounts of basil, oregano, cilantro, parsley, peppermint.  It made a glass of juice which made me feel good after I drank it.  I don't know if it raised my blood sugar.  I wish I wasn't so lazy - I should do this every day.  I also like mint chocolate chip ice-cream :-) 

    I do think that it isn't harmful to take to many nutrients from food - even if the food isn't depleted, but good organic home grown food like mine - some of us may have digestive issues and don't easily absorb nutrients.  I think juicing is a way to make sure you get enough.  Excess nutrients are harmlessly excreted, except if there are things like heavy metals or pesticides.....

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited June 2014

    I have a Blendtec heavy-duty blender that makes wonderful smoothies. I haven't made one in a while, but I read that greens like kale and Swiss chard are better absorbed when puréed vs eaten in a salad -- apparently it's hard to chew the leaves enough to break them down sufficiently. But I also read that smoothies shouldn't be chugged down (which is a challenge sometimes because they can be so tasty) but instead "chewed" before swallowing to get the salivary glands and digestive juices going in the stomach. 

    Prior to my Dx, I was making green smoothies with what I thought was the perfect protein powder. It contained  just a few grams of sugar and no sweetener at all -- it was SpiruTein unsweetened vanilla, and it made such a creamy and thick smoothie, and the vanilla was so tasty with whatever fruit and greens I used . Alas, its main protein source is soy protein isolate, so I stopped using it. I found an okay alternative made from pea protein (I can't recall the brand), but it's so hard to find a protein powder that contains no sweetener. I don't like the taste of stevia or any sweetener, but nearly all contain it. 

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited June 2014

    Brookside, Jo Robinson does most definitely address those issues in her book, Eating on the Wild Side.  The story about how corn got so sweet is worth the price of the book, lol.  A sweeter fruit or veggie doesn't necessarily make it less nutritious, but this is often true.  For instance, pink grapefruits are sweeter than the white kind but have more nutrients.  OTOH, sweet onions have very little of anything and she advises not to buy them for nutrition--get the not sweet ones and green onions are the best choice.  Yes, she does advise shopping at the farmer's market or better, growing your own and teaches you how to find the freshest produce as well as the most nutritious varieties.  Can you tell that I really recommend this book?  

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited June 2014

    I loved!!!! that book.  

    And the author is from around here too :)

    I wish they would have taught us that stuff in dietetic school.

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited June 2014

    Momine, I missed your post the first time--the one about herbs.  Yes, I love them too and always have a little herb garden no matter where I happen to be living.  In fact, I was into them years before this crazy cx dx.  One thing that's interesting about oregano is that it makes a very powerful antibiotic and I keep a small bottle of the oil with me all the time.  I had a student come to me this past school year with an infection under his fingernail bed and he kept putting antibiotic cream on it b/c he couldn't afford to go to a doc but it wasn't helping.  One drop of OoO and he was fine after that, even though he'd been fighting it a couple of weeks.  I also put one drop in my neti pot when I feel a sinus infection coming on--it burns like fire but it's like instant relief.  Another good one is lemon balm--a sprig is delicious in my drinking water and it has all kinds of amazing health benefits--anti-viral, antibiotic, and anti-fungal.  It also grows like a weed.  Great stuff.    

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited June 2014

    pipers, do you make your own oil of oregano or purchase it ready-made?  Sorry if you've indicated earlier!

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited June 2014

    Gemini, I buy mine.  I like to get the little bottle at Whole Foods, which is about $20, but I've seen the lesser quality stuff in pill form from WalMart work just about as well and for the exact same thing--had a friend with an infection under his nailbed as well and he broke open a capsule and put the thick oil on top and then a bandaid.  He said about 30 min later that he could feel it drawing, and the next day he was much better.  I was afraid it wouldn't work that time b/c the oil was too thick to soak in, but it did work.  

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited June 2014

    thanks, pipers, I will have to get a bottle next time I'm at whole foods. 

    Another question for you -- you've posted about tart cherry juice. I bought a bottle of Knudsen organic, and it was still pretty high in sugar grams (though the ingredient was 100% tart cherry juice from concentrate). It was also quite delicious and plenty sweet. I'm wondering if there's a better tart cherry juice to get that's more medicinal than tasty?  What brand are you using?  Thanks! :-)

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited June 2014

    Gemini, that's the downside of using the cherry juice and I'm sure my brand was too high in sugar also.  The way I handled it was to put the concentrate in foods that had some fat and protein in them to slow down the glycemic effect b/c I don't think it's so much sugar that hurts you as it is blood glucose and then insulin spikes--you want to keep as tight of a ratio as possible.  So I use the stuff in my "Budwig parfaits," which has cottage cheese, flax oil, and almond butter in them, along with fiber, and that slows down the spike.  I also use it sometimes to make homemade jello--using organic gelatin powder and chia seeds and that will slow it down as well.  I never make just juice from it unless I'm going to be having it with a meal and then I'd put some fiber powder in there maybe.  

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited June 2014

    thanks for the suggestions, pipers. I have been mixing a small amount of the juice with sparkling water for a "spritzer," (probably 1:5 ratio) but it probably isn't enough tart cherry juice to make an anti-inflammation effect. 

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited June 2014

    Gemini4--I'm using the cherry juice as well. I bought both the tart and black cherry and for me I find the tart too tart and the black cherry too sweet. I mix the 2 and drink about 4 oz a day. I figure that can't be too much sugar although I'd be happier if there wasn't any. DH loves the tart so he drinks it straight. I have to restrict his amount to 4 oz as well or he would drink an entire bottle a day! I recently bought the concentrate from the Vitamin Shoppe but haven't tried it yet. I hear you need about 2 Tbl of that a day. I'm going to try adding it to my fruit smoothie. For a while I thought this stuff wasn't working, but now that I've been on it for about a month, I do think it is helping with my Tamoxifen pains. And DH swears it made his gout go away fast!

  • sophie786
    sophie786 Member Posts: 83
    edited June 2014

    @piper...would love to read the book.  I do think than fruits or veggies cannot be compared to a candy bar.  While the sugar content may be the same - fruits and veggies do have phytochemicals and side benefits.  So if you had to choose between a candy bar and a piece of organic fruit - then of course the fruit would be a better choice.  Candy bar manufacturer may have you believe that both are equal but do you really think so?

  • sophie786
    sophie786 Member Posts: 83
    edited June 2014

    I ordered oregano oil for my medicine cabinet from amazon.com.  anybody have any experience with oregano oil pertaining to Breast cancer.  is it beneficial.  I have started to take keen interest in natural oils and their benefits.  I am a HUGE fan of coconut oil.  in the reviews for wild oregano oil I have read that it is super potent so you do have to be careful and use it SPARINGLY.

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited June 2014

    Sophie, in my case that's kind of a manner of speaking, but in fact some fruits and veggies are so low in any kind of nutrients that you may well be better to choose the candy bar over them.  At least with a snickers you have some nuts in there.  Of course what I really mean is that we should choose varieties that have much more nutrition than the ones that couldn't beat out a candy bar.  

    I just did a small google search and apples make for a good case study.  Sikkim crab apples have 7181 mg phytochemicals per liter of juice, while Golden Delicious has 71 mg and Ginger Golds have 15 mg.  Jo said that eating a candy bar would be preferable to eating the Golden Delicious (I think!) but as you can see, the Ginger Gold would be even worse--it would just be a bunch of unopposed sugar. Galas and Granny Smiths have over 200.  Anyway, I just found this link which is a great visual. 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    gary null just spoke about peeling organic apples & adding them to a smoothy, can lower bad colesterol by 40 % in a few weeks.  4 peels a day as I recall

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    in this broadcast on this topic gary says there's a study out saying that cholesterol, the bad kind is what latches onto errant cancer cells & spreads them to other parts of the body ie causes metastesis

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited June 2014

    Thanks a lot, Pipers.  I just ate what is probably my last golden delicious for a while.  I knew I liked that kind, but until today, had never noticed how very, very, very sweet they are.  I guess I need to find another apple. 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    gala has many phytonutrients, & today gary said that a new study discovered that the bad colesterol in meat & grilled fish primarily was the conduit for cancer mestastis, & that a few apple peels a day in a smoothy could lower your colesterol by 40%

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    gary talking now about bok choy as good for everything, low in calories, cruciferous, many minerals, now a receipe, with pickles himalayan sea salt, says prevents, help preventing breast cancer proliferating

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    Bosum, keep at it. It took almost 2 years for my blood glucose to retreat from the low end of the  pre-diabetes range. It is also a good idea to ask for an A1c blood test every so often: Hemoglobin A1c test explained

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited June 2014

    HIgh blood sugar levels aren't great for our bodies, of course, but glucose feeds all our cells; we need it.  My understanding is it's the glucose that follows ingestion of, say, a delicious candy bar, that we have to watch out for.  It's not the sudden rise in glucose itself, but the insulin response that is supposed to be the problem, as circulating insulin is believed to be a growth factor for cancer. 

     

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited June 2014

    I've been doing some reading up on pawpaw extract but I'm going to wait to try it as vit C can negate it and doc has me on high levels of C

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