What foods are you eating to reduce recurrence?

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  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited June 2014

    You know Purple, you mentioning Dr. Fuhrman reminded me of something I read by him the other day--he said that taking supplemental folic acid can actually raise your risk of getting BC by 20-30%.  Folate in green leafies is good--synthetic folic acid in pill form is not good.  Is Supplemental Folic Acid Harmful?

  • TwoHobbies
    TwoHobbies Member Posts: 2,118
    edited June 2014

    I haven't followed this thread for a long while but did you see the latest on fasting?  I hate fasting especially when working but I'm thinking about doing this next weekend.  According to their research it regenerates the immune system.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/14060...

    I had seen the folic acid study.  I had been taking vitamin B complex post chemo because one of the B vitamins is supposed to help with neuropathy, but when I saw that study, I threw it in the garbage! 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    gary null, as i recall, does a fresh juice fast one day a week, & once a year, in a beautiful remote place in nature a 3 day water fast

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited June 2014

    I'm always bemused that some of the same people who eschew the horrors of sugar advocate juicing, which floods the body with fructose & carbohydrates exactly like eating sugar does.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    yes, but sugar is a refined food & has no value except for calories, juices, fresh from fruit & vegetables, hoping organic, have valuable phyto chemicals as well as calories & carbohydrates

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited June 2014

    They have some phytochemicals but they are still processed by your body just like sugar and spike your blood sugar. Additionally, when that is all you are taking in, without some fat and fiber to slow down the absorbtion, your glycemic load soars.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    yes fat & fiber are important, if your a vegetarian you get plenty fiber even if you juice.  if  you don't juice you get no large doses of these chemicals

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited June 2014


    Before drinking juice or eating carbs, it is a good idea to snack on nuts, seeds, meat, cheese, fibrous foods (such as whatever is left in your juicer) and/or the like in order to slow the absorbtion of the "sugar water plus vitamins and minerals" that constitutes even the healthiest juice.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    yes.  I grind up a bunch of nuts regularly also pumpkin & sunflower seeds for their zinc, & add the ground stuff to my oatmeal every day

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited June 2014

    Most juicers remove all the fiber, thus a flood of simple carbohydrates and a blood sugar spike. Simple chemistry...

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited June 2014

    TwoHobbies, I just finished up my first 2 day fast b/c I just read that the other day.  It was a bit rough, even though I've built up to it with intermittent fasting--that is, I often skip breakfast and sometimes lunch and scrunch my eating into about an 8 hour window of time.  There is lots of great research about this.  Today I broke my fast, though I felt I could have gone on but I'm having company this evening and going dancing, so I decided to break it.  I still felt weak even after I ate but then I remembered--duh!  Drink about a qt of water and it's much better.  

    Melissa, I know what you mean.  I think that if you have a weight problem and esp in the belly, you should eschew sugar altogether, even in juice.  I went on the ketogenic diet as soon as I got dx'ed, b/c I had a pretty big chunk of weight to lose and was borderline diabetic besides, and I'm sure that contributed to this.  Now I've lost 30 lbs and 10 more to go and then we'll see, but really, I'm just trying to eat more veggies.  

    For those who do not have a weight problem and maybe have nutrient deficiencies, I think juicing would be the way to go.  I think the main thing we all have to keep in mind is that there is no one cause for this so you have to pay attn to your body and become intuitive about what it needs.  I never was before, but I sure am now.  Oh and as for large quantities of phytochemicals, look into wild foods--they often have thousands of times more PC's than anything that you can ever grow organically, much less get at the supermarket.  Look for bitter things, and a good place to start is with dandelions--tons of vit A for one thing and the whole plant is good for you.  If you juice, throw some leaves in.  

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited June 2014

    Intuitively my body wants me to carbo load because of anxiety, but that does not mean it is a good thing.

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited June 2014

    Once we've been diagnosed with breast cancer, juicing, especially on an empty stomach, becomes a bit problematic.  When the sugar spike MelissaDalls refers to above hits your bloodstream, it prompts an insulin response. Circulating insulin is a growth factor for breast cancer.  Drink your juice after a full meal, please, ladies. 

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    I completely cut out juices after my DX. At most I squeeze a bit of lemon in my tea or water. other than that, I eat a lot of veggies, both cooked and raw. I can't understand what advantage there would be to juicing the veggies instead of just eating them.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    you can get a whole lot more of the vitamins minerals & other chemicals contained in them.  I compost the residue in the juicer, I have 40 years of rich earth except for the containers of it stolen during teardown of the first studio.  called black gold by some

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited June 2014

    composting may help the dirt but it doesn't slow down the blood sugar spike from consuming the fruits & veggies sans fiber

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    I plan to juice on an empty stomach tomorrow then walk to the studio & back with more supplies, that's down a hill & up a hill & the work there & carry back down then up the calories from the juice will get me there & back & I doubt any will be able to get to my breast.  I guess probably a half mile in all perhaps more

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    I plan to carry back a book voracious, among other things, mostly food, 4 new outlander stories, just out, by diana gabaldan just  out this month (to me  from the bookmobile)

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    Abigail, you do not get more vitamins/minerals from a carrot by juicing it. 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    very true, momine, but you can ingest  a great many more carrots at one time by juicing them, thus a lot more vitamins & nutrients, minerals etc

  • TwoHobbies
    TwoHobbies Member Posts: 2,118
    edited June 2014

    Piper I did some fasting around chemo but now that I'm back to work its a tough idea to swallow, but I think I might try next weekend.  I've done 48 hours  but never 72 hours but I want to try to get there once.  I'll let you know if I achieve it.  I do the intermittent fasting several times a week.  That isn't that hard but not eating 3 days with a teenage boy in the house is a challenge.   

    I've got to agree I don't think its good to juice or even smoothie your fruit except for a treat.    I can see juicing vegetables if you want to pack a lot of vegetables in a convenient serving.  A friend showed me a juicing diet she was thinking of going on and one serving had an orange and two bananas.  That's a lot of sugar for one meal, even if its natural sugar accompanied by good things.    

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    you can juice the citrus rinds, get a lot of unusual vitamins that way, & with organic watermellon, for instance, the rind of that too.  has unusual good stuff in it

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    see livinggirllivingfoods.com/juicers-rinds-the-amazing-benefits-of-water-

  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited June 2014

    eating more natural, wild if possible, no pesticides and the whole fruit or vegetables is the best way to go. I am following Dr. Fuhrman's diet  Eat to Live and taking vegetarian supplements like iron, B12, D and C to compensate any deficiency. It is a diet that makes sense, vegetables and fruits, nuts. Not processed food except for a vegetable protein shake I am taking in the am after a banana. I have lost 23 lbs that I gained with chemo, still 10lbs to go.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited June 2014

    Juicing fruits or veggies that are not organic can introduce a lot of pesticides into one glass of whatever you are drinking.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited June 2014

    Meant to add, to ensure you are using organic if juicing.  A car hit the ditch outside and distracted me for a minute :)  Kids, but are all fine.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    It is not necessarily a good idea to overdose on carrots. If the goal is to ingest far more vitamins/minerals than a human would normally be able to ingest, then the juicing is basically a vitamin pill with a lot of sugar in it. Again, I don't think it is usually smart to take/eat/drink excessive vitamins etc.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    & carrots are pretty sweet.  but juicing leaves, for instance, kale, & I juice lettuce for pain, acessing its opioids.  & again the phytochemicals in produce can only get lots of them by juicing

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited June 2014

    I have this lady's book and it's fascinating and here's a good article by her:  Breeding the Nutrition Out of our Food The book is one of the most informative books I have on food.  We worry so much about food safety here in the US but forget about getting enough nutrition in our vegetables, but there are some fruits and veggies so low in nutrition you'd almost be better off eating a candy bar!  At least the candy wouldn't send your insulin soaring like some apples or onions would do.  

    She tells you which varieties to buy to ensure you're getting the most PNs and it's not always what you think.  Like, white peaches are pretty high in PNs ad cauliflower is up there.  Forget the sweet onions but eat more green onions and I have wild onions growing all over my yard.  If you're going to juice, then add some crabapples--they have hundreds of times more PNs than even the highest most organic domesticated varieties.  If you do this, maybe you won't need to eat a lot to get your nutrients and you won't have to buy a juicer or do all that cleaning.  The other night on the way to a dance I picked some purslane from a spot I was pretty sure was not subject to lawn spraying and ate it and it was pretty good.  Purslane is very high in nutrition and in omega-3s esp.  

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    Piper, I always liked herbs and lots of them. Apparently herbs have lots of nutrients and there is a reason they are part of most traditional kitchens. I keep parsley and cilantro on hand and add handfuls to salads  and other foods.

    Purslane is eaten a lot in Greece, usually as part of a salad.

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