I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited March 2014

    Congrats Suzie!

    Blue, growing up in Texas many of my friends could recite the exact percentage of Native American blood they had. It was a badge of honor for them. Sadly, I was raised on cowboy movies and t.v. shows (including the Lone Ranger) that totally degraded the proud image and heritage of America's first residents.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2014

    So true Yorkie!  Should have said that Ray's dad was half and half, that would make Ray one-quarter!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited March 2014

    Hmm, I am 1/8 Cherokee.  I didn't watch many Indian movies, but did watch The Lone Ranger.........and always identified with Tonto.  I thought he was a perfect human being and helped the Lone Ranger in ways only he could.  How funny....the different perceptions we get from things.  I knew from early on about my heritage so maybe I saw the 'best' because of it.

    Jackie

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2014

    Jackie, you are thee best!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2014

    Off to clean a toilet or two.  Been procrastinating this morning.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited March 2014

    Jackie, at the time I was watching the Lone Ranger, I also loved Tonto. I was a little kid. But in retrospect, I think his character was demeaning to Indians. As I recall he was just a side kick to the real "hero," doing his bidding to help, usually or always, white people. I do think these stereotypes influenced the attitudes of children. I played "Cowboys and Indians" all the time with neighborhood kids. The boys, who dominated our play (whole other story), forced us girls to be the Indians. I resented this, because it was understood the Indians were the bad guys and always lost the fight. But  prejudice against African Americans was worse and much more overt. Sigh, what terrible days for minorities.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited March 2014

    Morning Scooter Gang,

    Cold and raining in my part of the world.  Going to stay cold for another week according to NOAA.  Probably ought to check the heating fuel level to make sure we have enough to get us through "spring."

    Blue ... So happy to hear you're having another grandbaby.  All of a sudden it seems like you're getting a bunch of new ones.  I wish I could have some more, but I only have Luke and they're done having kids.

    Suzie ... Excited about your new baby as well.  Is this the one in London?  I think it was London, but memory isn't what it used to be.

    Yorkie ... Sorry to hear about your snow.  Winter sucks.

    Blue ... The freesia flowers are beautiful.  I can smell them right through the computer.

    Jackie ... I'm not all that excited about my heritage, especially on my mom's side.  Both my mom and dad's families are from Germany.

    Guess I better get dressed and brave the rain and cold and get to the store.

    hugs,

    Bren

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Especially for Blue

    http://www.iisd.org/7thgen/

    Thanks for the flowers ;-)  think the second one is mountain laurel, grows wild around here, love it.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited March 2014

    Blue, I missed that you are also awaiting the arrival of a new grand. Congrats!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2014

    Hollywood and writers of fiction have done a huge disservice to the role and reputation of native peoples in North America.  There are those who believe with good reason that they are the ones who are truly "Americans"  -- they were here first, many with well-established societies, farms, businesses etc.  This flies in the face of the movies that depict them as wild and essentially evil villains who must be vanquished.

    Well, the Indian wars were a matter of the native Americans protecting their own -- their peoples, their lands -- much like the Ukrainians today wanting to keep the Crimea out of Russian hands.

    P.S.  Tonto was played by a Canadian, Jay Silverheels.  

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2014

    Bren, do you know something I don't know?  No new grandbaby right now.  Hopefully in the future!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2014

    Sunny, EXACTLY!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2014

    James Fenimore Cooper.  Terrible thing when one uses a scene from a movie to make a point and they still don't get it!  It's not about the movie, it's about the message! That is all!

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited March 2014

    Hey Blue .. I must have missed something too.  I thought I read you were expecting another grandbaby.  I'm losing my mind.

    love ya,

    Bren

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2014

    I play mahjong to keep my brain sharp Bren, because it's not the brain I grew up with.  hahahahahah!

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited March 2014

    a lot of people in our neighbourhood play mahjong.  Is it difficult to learn?

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2014

    Pip, it's a memory game.  Solving a puzzle.  This is a good site....

    http://ca.games.yahoo.com/game/mahjongg-flash.html

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited March 2014

    Bren - not in London - our daughter here in Sth Australia. A sibling for Nicholas. I must admit I didn't receive the news with much delight owing to our DD's husband's mental health and her weight which is way too heavy at the moment. It seems his new medication is working really well though. The home they just bought is too small too - she seems to have no common sense. Still, she's 35 so time is of the essence.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited March 2014

    Ah yes, I do recall now that you said that Jay Silverheels.  I knew he was Indian....not sure if I ever knew he was from Canada though.  Despite all.....Tonto is still my hero.  The Lone Ranger was a great guy, but it was Tonto who made him that way and saved his bacon all the time.  At the time my feeling began for him, I didn't know enough to realize that Indians got short shrift.  At the time it was all just good guys or bad guys and Tonto was right up there at the top in my book.

    How interesting that there are more Mahjong lovers here.  I've been playing for a really long time --- sometime before my diagnosis in 2007.  Probably some time after my stroke which brought the same transitory amnesia that I had with my bad thyroid....sigh !!!!! I still do crosswords and sometimes play along with Jeopardy and Alec Trebek whom I think is Canadian too.   

    Jackie 

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited March 2014

    Thanks  Blue.  I think I will download a game and try it out on my own before I try it with a group.  The people I know who play it really enjoy the game.  

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited March 2014

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/03/23/ted_nugent_stay_away/  Sometimes people do wise up....at least about some things.

    Jackie

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited March 2014

    I just looked up Jay Silverheels.  He was a Mohawk, born in Canada.  AT least the television series, The Lone Ranger, cast a Native American as a Native American.  I think this was the beginning of a re-evaluation of the Native America in films and television.  

  • IllinoisLady
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    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2014

    I much prefer the native American 10 Commandments.

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited March 2014

    I missed the origins of the Native American debate.  Is someone dissing them now?  Calling them Un-American or communist or 'Murika-hatin' moochers?

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