How vain are you?
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I sent my daughter the Mrs Brown bikini wax- she was hysterical laughing- what could the warning be?? of course she is young and has a bit of disposable income right now so went with laser hair removal and said its grand.
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Melissa, no, I don't know that book, but it sounds heart-breaking. What I do not understand is how these quacks are able to continue operating, because it is not a trifling matter. People do actually die because of these kinds of sites etc.
I saw that Burzinski was in legal trouble again recently, but in spite of being busted every so often, he keeps chugging along and he is downright respectable compared to people like the Gerson Family and Mike Adams (naturalnews.com). Mike Adams is the one who wrote an absolutely vile article in response to Angelina Jolie's BMX.
And then there is our own, special Larry, of course
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Mike Adams! How anyone follows him is beyond me. With his ilk, you sometimes get some bizarre "add ons" like denial of AIDS and the Holocaust as well as the anti-vaccination crowd.
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If the vainsters are not already following the blog "Respectful Insolence" by orac, I highly recommend it. If you can find the blurb on coffee enemas... go pee first, then read.
Ah! "Charlie"!!! How grown up did I feel in the 1970's as a teenager when I received a bottle of that for my birthday! I think I still have a wee sample of it somewhere. As a pre-teen, my mother let me wear Avon's "Cotillion". Every so often Avon re-releases it as a "special" and I have a bottle on my dressing table in memory of my childhood fragrance. In my 20's, I wore "Beautiful"; in my 30's I wore "Jessica McClintock" and "Jess"; in my 40's I was a "Diorissimo" girl; and in my 50's I am Chanel all the way.
Wish I still had my Avon gingerbread man pin. When I saw the photo of it while trawling the internet, it made me smile. Good, good memories! Remember those tiny, tiny lipstick samples that Avon used to use back then? My mother always gave me the "Midi Apricot" one to use. Still wear warm, peachy-rose based lipstick when I'm not wearing screamin' red.
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Mike Adams, never heard of him, is he as good as Our Larry? Gotta go look...learn SO much from you wonderful women - so how come I can't buy Milkmaid Lipstick Pixie Pink. Jeez, we put a man on the moon. Isn't that the fall back position for everything we can't do
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http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/
Linkie above to SelenaWolf's excellent suggestion
AND - we have a contendah ( anybody else ever live in Bawstan?) for Our Larry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaturalNews
In our spare time, when we're not coming up with an Icon to warn our friends b4 watching Mrs. Brown, we could create a GNC. Great New Conspiracy. Worldwide rise in price of coffee as attempt to "bully" people into not having enemas? Whaddaya think?
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Sunny, I think that's a winnah!
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Yorkiemom =
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Now THIS is one conspiracy that I can get behind wholeheartedly. THREE CHEERS FOR BIG PHARMA!!!
http://healthland.time.com/2013/04/01/the-conspiracy-to-end-cancer/
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WOW just WOW
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OMG- did you read the comments under the article- who is Rick Simpson and that is 10minutes of my life spent reading that crap that I will never get back- ugh Thanks Selena
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Wyo, Rick Simpson is a very nice man from Canada. A long time ago, Rick got a bad concussion. It caused chronic pain and sleep trouble. The doctors could not help and Rick, quite understandably desperate by now, tried pot. Pot helped, but Rick's doc was concerned about the smoking part, so Rick made pot oil that he could eat.
Then Rick got a basal cell skin carcinoma (the "good" kind of skin cancer). The doctor operated it away, but a few days later Rick looked at the wound and thought it looked bad, so he figured pot might help and put some of his pot oil on it. When he removed the bandage 4 days later, it was HEALED!
He concluded from this experience that doctors are useless and pot miraculous, so when he got another pimple/spot/mosquito bite/perhaps a carcinoma, he decided it was cancer (never DXed by a doctor) and that instead of surgery he would use the magic oil. The magic oil made the spot go away (although if it was actually a pimple or mosquito bite, the pot oil had nothing to do with it), and that is the basis for his fervent belief that pot oil cures cancer.
There is some legit research going on, as far as I know, on pot and cancer. It is possible that there are substances in the plant that may prove helpful against cancer, but it is still in very early stages.
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Whoa! I read those first couple of comments. They read like spam posts written by machine translation from Chinese, like the people who bombard message boards with ads for fake Adidas and stuff. It is quite amusing that there are two in a row with completely mangled English, but very anglo names. The personal testimonial approach is very common in quack remedy sales, but I am surprised that Rick Simpson oil (or some imitation) has been turned into this kind of quasi-MLM.
"My daughter and husband were having a very notorious and serious disease ..." Not to mention the other lady, whose daughter was "diagonalized" with breast cancer and abdominal mets, but is now cured. Hallelujah! WTF?
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I am so just loving this thread. It's what I need in so many ways.
So my comment on perfume - I love it when other people are wearing it. Unfortunately my personal body chemistry doesn't work with perfume - I put it on and within a few minutes it's GONE. The same thing would happen with my mother. She eventually started to put it on her slip but since I wear half-slips I guess that's not a solution for me!
So why can't more alternative-pushers be more like a friend of mine? She's very much into a lot of the alternative stuff but when she talks to me she will suggest things, gently and without pressure, and always adds on that I should make sure to research myself, not take her word for it (and yes, she'll send me links!). She also is more into complementary rather than alternative when it comes to cancer treatment. So where are more people like her?
Leah
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Leah, that is what gets me frustrated too (the craziness and pushiness), because I do think there is a lot we can do to help ourselves besides the mainstream medical treatment.
Snake oil salesmen used to be a big thing, going from town to town, as they wore out their welcome. I guess it is human to want to believe that there is some magic that will make the sickness go away.
The thing with snake oil is that it really doesn't matter if people use it as a remedy for mild headaches, mild allergies or some other harmless purpose. What makes me crazy is when people are duped into believing the snake oil will cure cancer or some other potentially fatal disease for which there is standard medical treatment. It makes me double-crazy when the quacks actively discourage standard treatment on the grounds that the quackery won't work right if patients have "sullied" themselves with conventional medicine.
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I think all of here on this thread recognize that there may be legitimate uses for alternative/complementary treatments in breast cancer... or any cancer. None of us diss the potential; what we are against is the misinformation, misinterpretation and predatory nature of many so-called "pro-natural" gurus out there who deal in false hope with no science-based evidence behind it or the advocates of said "pro-natural" gurus who insist on giving medical advice, self-diagnosing, self-treating, and promoting treatments that have been thoroughly disproven, or have not been proven and may be downright dangerous.
Alternative/complementary treatments have their place - I think we all agree on that - it's when they are given "miraculous" qualities and said to "cure cancer" or "keep cancer from coming back" or used/misused dangerously and without merit that is disturbing. Natural remedies do- and can work for certain issues, and when handled properly and knowledgeably, but none of them have miraculous, life-giving, life-prolonging properties when used instead of conventional treatment. For anything.
I'm reminded of a few quotes that I encountered the other day. The first one, I can't remember who said it. The second one is cited. Both about sum up for me my continued support of science-based medicine, my interest in complementary treatments, the need to keep natural/complementary treatments in perspective, and the need to keep researching both conventional treatments and natural remedies in the fight against this horrible disease.
"Oncology isn't guaranteed to cure us, but quackery is guaranteed to kill us."
"I believe that there is much that we can learn from complementary medicine to make our patients feel better while our science attempts to make them get better." ~Michael Baum ChM FRCS
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I'm starting to see a pattern here. Most alternative fanatics are both delusional and semi-literate. Makes sense.
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FINALLY remembered the perfume I used to use - Chantilly Lace....anyone????
As for pot, I live in Canada. It's pretty much okay here, just not to distribute. (So where are we supposed to get it then? Doi!) I've smoked or eaten it for over 40 years. When my fibromyalgia is very bad or when my back was at it's worst, it did NOT help!!! It actually accentuated the pain as you are MORE aware of stuff around you when stoned. I hated it!!! One of the reasons I don't drink anymore either, as when I start to relax THAT much then everything hurts!
Pot was/is used in cancer treatment to make someone hungry enough to eat when they don't feel like it. Like during chemo or in end stages. That's it. We all know that some cancers do spontaneously disappear on their own. That's a given - not a miracle. As for those who tried alternative and did NOT make it...well, we'll never hear from them, right? I hate seeing people taking standard and alternative at the same time as they wipe each other out!! Don't build UP your immune system as the chemo is trying to break it down....doi! Complementary like massage, spa treatments, etc can certainly help us feel BETTER during treatment but certainly not cure us.
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Yorkie, you were asking questions to a relatively new member here who had just been to a well-reputed facility & is refusing chemo & radiation based on alternative info, much of it here. I think she has a poor grasp of her situation. I just cringe & it makes me really sad because she has a very high risk of metastisis.
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Melissa, I think I remember who you're talking about. That was why I was trying to guide her toward a more reasonable appraisal of her stats, and how much conventional treatment benefits her. Sadly, she seems to have already drunk the Kool-Aid.
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Selena,
Well said! I'd like to add that many purported natural cures claim to cure a multitude of ills, ranging from autism to AIDS to MS and diabetes. Additionally quite a few of the most prominent gurus in the field bundle the disease fighting claims with socio/political agendas and the rewriting of history. Although I'm sure my medical team has many interesting and intelligent observations on society, politics etc., that's not why I'm there nor do I want docs whose care includes an agenda outside the medical realm.
Caryn
PS: I used to refrigerate Jean Nate in the summer. It was a refreshing post shower splash on.
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Yorkie, about the semi-literate thing, that has been my conclusion as well. I was thinking about it yesterday, due to a discussion elsewhere (related to health, but not BC). One poster kept insisting that her quackery/nutjob articles were equal to scholarly journal papers. Nothing could seemingly convince her otherwise, and I finally concluded that because of her (mild) reading comprehension issues, it probably all sounds like magical mumbo-jumbo that she doesn't really understand - whether science or quackery - and as long as it includes phrases she thinks of as belonging in the "science" department, she is ready to take the info at face value.
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Momine, that sums it up very well! I think we should also add a good dash of paranoia into the mix.
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Oh my! The thread seems to have moved on from hair, make-up and waxing and into the area of intellectual vanity. The heading has changed to make it official too. How many of us have started our own threads on BCO now? I confess that, perhaps, doing that might have been an expression of my own vanity. I will have to do more soul searching and inward reflection to know the extent of it. At one time, I considered it an act of reaching out to others but, in hindsight, I can't just discard the notion that it might have been a subconscious vanity that made me do it. In fact, when I look at many of the post I have written, even some of the more objective ones, I can see some vanity shimmering just below the surface. This one being no exception.
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elimar... of course you are right. "Intellectual vanity" is a good term and you've summed up a very good aspect of why skeptics are skeptics. Ego does, indeed, have a lot to do with it, but I also think that skepticism/intellectual vanity is a necessary part of analytical thinking. One has to have the ego/vanity/confidence to dig out what is relevant and what is questionable, and challenge it. Personally, I don't see that as "bashing" or "flaming" or "ridiculing" because you are not attacking the person, you are questioning the source, the motive behind the source, and the interpretation of the source not the person. Is that vanity? Absolutely. I'm the first to admit to intellectual snobbery. But - and I feel this is key - recognizing that it IS vanity helps keep it in perspective or in check. So does recognizing the better argument/evidence in favour (or not) of something.
Barb... Chantilly Lace was such a pretty scent! I remember having the talcum powder as a teenager. I still love it, but I stopped wearing it because my husband swore it reminded him of a dusty, old lady, LOL! I still have a wee tester bottle, though that I use to scent my guestroom closet.
The one scent I cannot STAND (and it's for men) is Ralph Lauren's Polo. My lord, it's cloying and overpowering! As a result, I've never been tempted to try any of the Ralph Lauren women's fragrances. I like things that are more subtle. My husband wears either Cleef and Arpels "Tsar" or Nautica Sport.
Running out of my Chanel "Fire" lipstick and can't get that exact shade anymore. Pooh. My day is half-ruined.
Anyone remember "Love's Baby Soft"??
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Selena, I still love Love's Baby Soft and you can still get it. It is nice and "quiet" and clean in a hellishly hot Summer. My favorite body wash is Johnson's Moisture Care, which smells like their baby lotion. When it is really hot I also love dousing myself with cornstarch baby powder. I also sprinkle it on my sheets when I change the bed.
I wish I could still get Love's Fresh Lemon. I have a bottle of Bigelow lemon cologne, but it is not the same.
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My dad used to have a placard on the wall of his classroom...Ignorance can be cured... stupid is forever.
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Melissa... I haven't seen it in Canada for years. And I completely forgot about their "Fresh Lemon" scent. There used to be an old shampoo/conditioner called "Lemon Time"? "Lemon Up"? It had a lemon for a cap. I used to love it. Now that I wear my hair so short, I find that I just use any old shampoo, although my favourite used to be Joico, a salon brand. And I find that mousse's and gels are too "stiff" and have switched to a hair wax which gives me more control without the stickiness. It looks as if, finally, the curl is starting to settle down, but the truth will out when the hot, humid summer hits.
Post cancer and with pixie hair, I find that I'm becoming an earring fanatic. Was always "iffy" about them before, but now I rarely go out the door without earrings. If I forget, I feel "undressed". I love pearls and "sparkle", but I also like the fun stuff. Wish I could carry off the large hoops, but I think they are more for younger girls.
And what the hell is this "knobby knee" thang? I'm developing my grandmother's knees!!!
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I have short hair and love earrings too, but have to be careful since I wear metal glasses. Too much starts looking like a chandelier.
I remember Lemon Up & also the green apple & strawberry shampoos. Also, the highly perfumed "Gee, Your Hair Smells Terrific". I used all of them. Children of the Seventies...
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Eli, I am pretty sure I am intellectually vain to some extent. I can live with that
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