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Light, thanks for the study link. Yet another reason to let beets back into my life! -
kayb, thanks for the soup recipe, sounds delicious. It's a big butternut, so I can probably cube and roast half with other veggies and make soup with the other half! Good cold weather food -
Light, Thanks for the references on CLA. This item was raises before but nobody actually pursued it carefully. You've got my attention. We need to know about these agents.
I'm gradually working may back in this thread to read up on the therapies and the research. You have done so much detective work. Thank you from all of us. -
Ruthbru.... I line a cookie sheet with tinfoil and spread a combination of leeks, shallots, fennel bulb, brussels sprouts, garlic, radishes (roasting radishes takes the "bitter" out), cherry tomatoes, purple baby potatoes, heirloom carrots (all colours) and parsnips (or any other root vegetable I have on hand), drizzle with olive oil, season with salt- and pepper, drizzle the tiniest bit of organic butter over (optional) and roast at 400F for an hour, stirring occasionally. The vegetables wil carmelise beautifully. It's one of our favourite ways to have vegetables. -
Kay, that is kind of why I don't take a lot of supplements. It seems like almost everything that may do some good also has a downside, and the good is often on the speculation side anyway. Instead I try to cover as many bases as possible through diet. I figure that it is hard to do any harm with a reasonably varied diet high in veggies and it may do some good, if not against the cancer, at least for general health, which is important to. I don't just want to survive, I want to live well, while I do it. -
Thanks kayb, interesting about the leptin. -
Kay, FWIW, my fasting glucose was highish (high 90s) at dx, through tx and for a good long while after. I stayed with the exercise and kept to a reduced carb (not low-carb, but staying between 150 and 200 grams a day), high-fibre diet. I eat almost no sugar and only extremely limited amounts of things like white bread. The bulk of my carbs comes from veggies, beans, nuts and high-fibre grains. The glucose finally started inching down about a year after last chemo and is now, almost 2 years later, back down in the 80s. So, don't despair, and keep doing the right things.
Also, one of the few supplements I do take is magnesium. I initially started taking it to help with calcium uptake, as well as because magnesium is often depleted during chemo and because I could find no reason not to (my onc agreed). I only take 100mg a day, but afterwards I found something about how it may also aid glucose metabolism. I really don't know if that is true, but you could ask your doc. You might also want to see a good endocrinologist, if you haven't already. I definitely think it is well worth it to whack that blood sugar on the head, if you possibly can.
My onc thought I was being silly and kept telling me that they could always give me meds if I became diabetic. But I am a stubborn bitch -
I make roasted yams -- cube, then toss with olive oil, curry powder, salt and pepper. I roast at 375 until they get a nice char turning several times). They're even better the next day, cold out of the fridge. I read that refrigerating roasted potatoes/ yams does something to change their starch so that they become low glycemic. -
Grilled asparagus and eggplant are my favorites. Mix some olive oil and garlic, brush on the veggies, a little salt and pepper, then throw on the grill. Yummy. -
Interesting tips on here. I had no idea roasting took the bitterness out of radishes (thanks, SelenaWolf) or that chilling roasted yams lowered their glycemic index (thanks gemini 4)! I wonder if chilling works for other starchy vegetables? -
Kay, what a bitch! Yes, you will probably have to experiment with cutting back on carbs, as a start. How incredibly annoying. Is there some way they can measure whether it is because your pancreas was damaged by TX or whether it is because you have become insulin resistant? I would urge you to see a really good endo to help with testing and strategies. -
RE: beets and asparagus - also good raw. Beets are good grated in salads, and raw asparagus (only fresh picked) are incredibly delectable. I grow asparagus, and my family never gets to eat them, because I eat them when I'm working in the garden and they never make it up to the kitchen! -
roasting is certainly different than juicing, but I suspect juicing fennel began the start of the turn to cancer. I was juicing them every day, gave off a lot of juice & I'd heard that licorice protects against cancer, & they certainly taste of licorice. my breasts began to hurt a lot, & when, after a year I finally got a laptop I discovered fennel was extremely estrogenic. stopped using them immediately & my breast quieted but I guess it was too late. that was jan 2011, & in march the first red spot showed. -
Flavia, yes, I add grated, raw beets to salads in the winter time. They look pretty too. Have to try raw asparagus in the spring.
Kay, the pairing is why I put some nut butter on apples, when I eat them. I really think you should insist on being referred to an endo. Now is the time to deal with it, not when it has already progressed. Even if it does end up progressing one day, the more you can delay that, the better it is. -
Kayb, interesting about the food combinations. I was hoping that was true. I figured if I ate tortilla chips with guacamole, the fiber and fat in the avocado would keep the glycemic load lower. Same with potatoes in lentil stew. And my trick for my sweet tooth is to eat one almond with each dark chocolate chip (I'm a sucker for Ghiradelli bittersweet) and try and keep it to 10 of each. I wish I could shut down my sweet tooth, but no luck so far.... -
light & kayb
I goggled CLA after light posted about it, b4 I read all kayb's posts and found the dreaded "SE" re: FBG. bummer.
kayb - have you tried Bitter Melon, Gymnema Sylvestre. I've about give up on tracking FBG, and rely on A1C, which I need to have done again. Like you, NO SUGAR, only quinoa & veggies, but I do use honey in my tea. Teapots full of loose green tea daily. Know type II diabetes has strong genetic links, like "good bones" - which I do have, so some "good" with the "not as good." I now check for known SE's for all supplements, after getting gobsmacked by Niacin ;( -
Raw beets, sliced very thin with a mandolin, are very good on salads.
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it's not the sugar it's the chocolate, little enough cacao that the chips have it's enough to trigger the addictive properties. they're now saying chocolate is good, but it contains the love hormone. when I lost my lover chris in 1972, I began using unsweetened cocoa as a tea. since then none until th a friend left a large loaf of zuchinni bread containing a lot of chocolate chips. It's gone. in 2 days. the slight bitterness which is probably the drug is so delicious, I'd forgotten. wonder if I'll now be able to stay away from it. -
Dark chocolate, in small amounts daily, is supposed to be good for your heart.
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at least 70% cocoa, 2-3 ounces every day can help lower blood pressure......I usually buy 90% cocoa, a little bit is very satisfying (once you get used to the 'less sugar' taste).
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Wow, 90%, that's hardcore, Ruth! -
Hi everyone,
Just wanted to chime in and request that we try to stay on the original topic. I'm glad that food is something that brings as all together. It is a fun topic and builds some great camaraderie on these boards, but it is notorious for steering threads off topic. I'm open to feedback, but I was hoping I can talk someone into starting a thread on food, as it seems many would like to share their recipies and discuss health properties of food that are unrelated to breast cancer.
As a reminder this thread was reserved for those who are using alternative treatments for breast cancer. Food (diet) is sometimes used as a means of treating bc. I think in that regard, discussion of food is appropriate here. For respect to those serious and focused on alternative solutions, I ask that we try to maintain that space here for this purpose. Thanks everyone!
Lightandwind -
Got it light.
I'm interested in learning who has had success using alternative methods to treat bc, but I have nothing to contribute in that area.
Meanwhile, just wanted to thank you for the good information re: supplements. -
Hi light,
I am mostly a lurker because I generally take my naturopath's advice on supplements and am not doing a lot of research due to being really busy. But am open to learning.
You said you are open to feedback so I was surprised that you cut off the discussion on recipes. I do understand the concern.
Food is an important part of my alternatives and whole food has many benefits that haven't been discovered. I take supplements but think diet can be very important for cancer patients.
As the vast majority of people do not get enough vegetables, I thought it was such an empowering and positive thread about roasting vegetables, new ways to eat beets, etc. It was inspiring me to go buy some more vegetables. So I was sorry you felt the discussion was off track.
I am not sure if there is a thread on eating healthy to prevent cancer if this isn't the right place? Anyone know? Thanks. -
Georgie,
You may be interested in checking out the Healthy Recipes for Everyday Living forum, and also the popular What foods are you eating to reduce recurrence risk? thread.
We hope this helps!
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I agree, georgie, for instance my friend richard believes he got lung cancer no from his air conditioner as I conjectured, but from the mars bars he ate for lunch every day, as they're mostly chocolate I guess, I gave up chocolate for 30 years. then the they said the stuff was good not bad but I do know it's addictive -
Abigail...what?!! Thanks mods for pointing out those two discussions. -
Thanks, moderators for the 2 other sites. BCO has so many discussions it is very helpful to get some guidance.
As a large percentage of cancer can be prevented with life style changes, I want to get support for making more healthy choices as I move forward.
Thanks. -
I have turned 90% Raw Vegan to help me move toward NED. I believe the phytonurtients in the raw food is vital for good health and key player in my healing process. Once in NED, I will move to 60% Raw as cooked veg delicious!
A couple of articles on Phytonutrients:
http://www.naturalnews.com/022230_phytonutrients_Chi_energy.html
http://www.drfranklipman.com/what-are-phytonutrients/ -
How about things like meditation or prayer? Here is an article that talks about how meditation can change us on a genetic level. http://www.naturalnews.com/043273_meditation_infl...
I am not a religious person, at all, however, a cancer diagnosis does make one think of the big questions of life and death. Things that I have done: during radiation, when I inhale I say to myself "I'm being healed" and when I exhale I say to myself "by god's healing light." And when I was walking outdoors in nice weather before I got too anemic to enjoy it I would chant to myself as I walked:
left - walk
right - away from the
left - can
right - cer
left - cancer's got
right - nothing on
left - me
right
repeat.
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