For Informed People Using Alternative Treatments

Lightandwind… Your comment references whether cancers result from a low pH or the low pH results from cancer, as in which came first, the chicken or the egg, right? This is different though .In our context cancers are the byproduct not the cause. I’ll share a couple of points to clarify. The body self-regulates its core systems through the process of homeostasis. pH balance is one of these. The process depends largely on the body’s ability to manufacture the hormones that communicate the need for systemic adjustments to the parts of the system that require them. Blood pH for instance, is homeostatically maintained between 7.35 -7.45, a very tight range. Saliva pH, on the other hand, changes on a daily basis and can even vary from one time of day to another. These two systems are different but related. Please forgive the analogy but think of this in terms of the cruise control on your car. The car’s speed remains constant but car uses more or less gas as you travel up or down hills. If there is gas in the tank the system works. If the tank starts to run dry, it won’t. So, the point is… If your blood starts to turn acid, the body takes neutralizing agents from other parts of the system to compensate. You’re blood pH remains stable, but really, you’re running on your spare tank. This is illustrated by the long term drop in your saliva pH. If all the essential elements are available to reproduce and replace those agents, the saliva pH recovers and the systems remain in balance. If not, one continues to cannibalize the other, draining the one that has no ability to replenish those resources. The system continues to degrade and the domino's begin to fall one after the other. The Saliva pH is a window to the health of the internal homeostatic system. Cancer cells are floating around our bodies all the time but are normally kept in check. A continuing low saliva pH indicates an ongoing deficiency that the body is unable to recover from that leads to a breakdown of the core system that keeps cancer cells from multiplying. When I connect the dots from my own reading, one of my conclusions is that cancer is one of many byproducts of a low pH but not the cause of it.

A good place to begin an inquiry on this topic is Wikipedia/homeostasis and expanding that to include pH balance from various sources.The other points you brought up were about diet and whether cancers could be reversed after normal pH is restored have been topics I’ve been interested in also.

Flaviarose,

My naturopath wants my vitamin D to be between 80-90 for cancer. Even though I was outside without sunscreen for at least 8 hours a day for months in the summer before I was diagnosed, my vit D level was only 19! So clearly I am one of the people who do not absorb D from the sun.

The MD I was seeing at the time said she had never had a patient have too high of a vitamin D level. It is possible the concern about too much might be changing.

The 2,000 IUs that is often recommended can be too low for some people. It is hard for me to keep my level high enough though. Seems like I need 11,000 IU per day. I take a liquid. The pill I tried was worthless. Took me years to get the level raised. Luckily I see doctors recommending a weekly dose which is easier for me.

Will check in from time to time to see what I can learn from this group! Thanks for starting it.

I was reading on another board and came across this: "I have read that evening primrose oil should not be used by women with a history of ER+ tumors. It's frustrating to try to make sense of so much conflicting information out there!"

I have been very excited to learn that evening primrose oil or GLA can increase the effectiveness of Herceptin for Her2neu positive cancers, went out and bought a bottle, and now I hear this.... where is the truth?

flaviarose, I'm pretty sure I wrote what you quoted. I don't recall where I heard that, but here are some links with info that doesn't show a risk for ER+ --

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA401109/Is-Evening-Primrose-Oil-Safe-After-Breast-Cancer.html

Interesting quote from Memorial Sloan-Kettering's site -- maybe this is where I was led to believe it was risky?

"Although evening primrose oil does not have intrinsic estrogenic properties, some commercial products combine evening primrose oil with phytoestrogens. Therefore patients with hormone-sensitive cancer should use evening primrose oil products with caution."

Here's the link:

http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/evening-primrose-oil

Hope this helps -- I think I'm going to try it myself to see if it might help heal some skin patches from eczema and possibly hot flashes. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good EPO (especially one that's pure and not combined with anything else)?

Hi ladies,

The more I read the more confused I became, so I found this article to help me better analyze what is right for me. You might find it helpful:

http://www.nature.com/news/policy-twenty-tips-for-interpreting-scientific-claims-1.14183

New- I forgot to mention that your saliva is what you test. In all the cases I've seen iodine will bring a pH to neutral. Mine was 6 and went to 7 within a month and has stayed there. Its had nothing to do with diet. My friend tested at 4.5 and has been on her iodine protocol for 7 weeks now. Her pH had been stuck at 5 the whole time and would not budge. She called me three days ago saying she was up to 7 now. I asked if she experienced any fatigue or headache before the change and she said she had a headache for two days around the same time. Same thing happened to me. We think this was an indication that our receptors had finally opened up again. When they start to flush, the contaminates go back into the bloodstream on their way out through the urine and you feel ache and lethargic for a day or two about a month into the protocol. She did a complete salt detox before she started the iodine.

kayb - mine was 17. Takes me 8,000ius vitamin D3 in bran oil to get it up to 42. Also, I don't have dairy of any kind. Adding a few drops now, and will retest in about 6 months, tho at a different lab, so may be apples & oranges.

What is the "test" for PH levels, miffwine. Very interested to learn more about this.

Does anyone use Iodine other than Lugol's.

I get my Liquid Iodine with Kelp (1 drop = 150 mcg as Potassium Iodine and 2 mg. kelp) , not sure how this compares to Lugol's. I like getting the brand my local health food co-op sells under its own label.I use one drop a day, taken in water, at same time I take all supplements, now with Selenium.

thanks, Gemini4. I've also read the EPO can help with side effects from aromatase inhibitors, which I will start soon, so another reason to take it.

In terms of iodine, I take this https://www.standardprocess.com/Products/Standard-Process/Prolamine-Iodine

I used to go in a hot tub all the time that was treated with chlorine/bromine. fortunately don't drink fluoridated water. turns out that those 3 chemicals displace iodine in the body. when I first started taking the iodine, sometimes I'd burp or taste bromine!

GREAT article SchoolCounselor, thanks so much for sharing!!

I am right there with you also Joanna, people look at me taking my upteen supplements and think, "poor thing" as they scarf down their cheesburgers and french fries!

Well all.......the crazy diet and upteen supplements are finally paying off!!!!

I just got back from having my 3 month Ultra-Sound check-up and have some GREAT news!!  All my breast tumors have shrunk significantly since my last Ultra-Sound. So much so that the doctor, herself, came in to ask me specifically (normally its a tech that does all the work ups), "What Have YOU been doing!!" and " You HAVE to tell your Oncologist so he can take notes on this!"  The Tech & the Dr were stunned, and very happy, so much so that they got emotional with me as well. We chatted about my protocol for several minutes. The simply couldn't believe my results and are very excited to have me come back at the next 3 month check to see the progress. The Tech & Dr have been monitoring me all this time since last year and know my history so to see the smile in their eyes this time was incredibly touching and shows me how much they really do care.

This is a Very Merry Christmas indeed!!

Scandophile - HOW WONDERFUL!!!!!! So good to hear GOOD NEWS....it's been a hard year, lost a good friend from this website, still hurts sometimes to log in....

http://www.gcmaf.eu this is interesting

Hi Sunflowers, the test I use is a simple ph strip graded numerically from 1-14, with a easy to distinguish and different color for each number. The strips you don't want are those that ask you to choose from 14 shades of the same color. Makes in nearly impossible to tell. test first thing in the morning before you drink, eat or brush. I kept a log to monitor the change. I went three weeks before anything changed then it seem to happen over just a few days.

Hi, I asked on another alternative thread if anyone knew what the US cost of a VITD3 test is but they werent sure as it was covered by insurance. Would any of you know here? Thanks if anyone can help.

My oncologist just gave me an order for a Vitamin D blood test- mine is covered by insurance as far as I know