Starting Chemo June 2013!?!?!

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  • Cuculi
    Cuculi Member Posts: 148
    edited October 2013


    Hello everyone! I have been following your posts!


    Dyvgrl: I have done 4 AC and 4/12 taxols... 8 more to go... I just dont know how, from an emotional point of view,since it is really hard... However I am doing quite fine since I have continued working and feel quite good... what I really hate is "chemo brain" ... it is an obstacle in my job as well. I teach in university and I totally understand you. Sometimes I even feel my tongue getting "stuck" and not being able to talk correctly! When that happens I just talk much more slow!


    I am 36 with a husband and a 3 year old. I feel that BC stole my life as I wanted it today. I do now have to thank a lot of good things I have, but c'mon it is hard to say that when your life has changed completely. My relationship with my husband is not the same. I am glad he has tons of work and worried about his dad who has lung cancer... terrible to say it but he is tired so well sex is not in the picture. If he does not try with foreplay and all that... I will not...


    Everyone at work keeps telling me how good I look... yeah, they dont know that about my dryness (vaginal, eyes,body), about my pain in my armpit, how hard is to look in the mirror (as a matter of fact I really dont look myself in the mirror), among others.


    I decided to do chemo and rads because the "system " made me to. I had to work this with my psico because when I realized that, I got really angry and frustrated. I have decided to keep doing them because physically I feel I can keep up with mmm 70% of my life. I believe that homeopathy have helped me a lot. I truly have faith in that "area" that I visit a couple of years ago.


    Regarding tamoxifen... I dont know if I will do it... still evaluating... one option is to start doing it and if I do feel really bad I will stop. I actually leave it to my homoepath...I am in his hands... But 10 yrs, NO WAY!!! I just dont want to feel of 70 when I am 36... blocking hormones, no libido, no nothing... I want to live but I want to live a life i want, not just survive...(BYW, nothing against 70 yrs old...)


    Did most of you lost eyelashes and eyebrows after chemo?


    Have you read about mistletoe?


    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/mistletoe/patient/page2


    There are other websites with more info... an alternative we could use...


    Take care ! cyber hugs!

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited October 2013


    cuculi,


    I feel the same about spending intimate moments with my spouse. We've barely been married a year. I deserve to feel like a newlywed not an old spinster. I've been off chemo for a month and feeling much more like myself. They can keep the hormone therapy, I want to enjoy my life to the fullest, not a life unlived, walking around in a fog feeling like crap. What good is killing cancer when I kill all the best of me in the process?

  • dlm425
    dlm425 Member Posts: 209
    edited October 2013


    I so annoyed I just wrote a whole story and it was deleted!! All is well here besides the neuropathy in my toes and getting out of bed in the morning my legs and feet hurt but than I start moving and it goes away. I'm back to work full time scheduled for my exchange on November 13. I have no side effects from tamoxifen other than hot flashes. Not bad at all I take it at night. My hair is white fuzz but have about an inch but still see my scalp. My nails stayed in tack I use hard as nails everyday and never touch my cuticles. So glad to read everyone is nearing the end. I didn't have to do radiation made me so happy... Hang in there xoxox enjoy your day ladies

  • dlm425
    dlm425 Member Posts: 209
    edited October 2013


    all my eyelashes and eyebrows fell out just at the end so I wear false eyelashes and brush on my eyebrows. Not so bad and still wear my wig everyday

  • raindeer1217
    raindeer1217 Member Posts: 90
    edited October 2013


    hi everyone - I've been wrestling with hormone treatment too. It's 8% decrease in reoccurrence that's big could mean 9 years more of living.


    Struggling with the decision, when I talk to friends about me possibly not taking the hormone blockers they look at me like I am crazy. Why wouldn't I take them what's a few side effects? I used to have beautiful hair, loved sex. Worried about losing who I was and I want to continue loving sex, as it is when I have sex now it hurts feels like I am a virgin again. Anyone else experiencing this? (Sorry if it's too personal)

  • aaoaao
    aaoaao Member Posts: 593
    edited October 2013


    I truly believe treatment decisions are a personal choice each of us must make. However, I'd do the research before making these choices. The facts are that there is a pretty big benefit to taking hormonal treatment after chemo. Also, not meant to scare anyone but it needs to be known, that about 30% of early stage breast cancers will return. Being a Stage IV person, I'd have a harder time dealing with this if I refused the hormonal tx and the cancer returned. I'd always wonder..what if? I have peace knowing that I did all that I could and sometimes it just comes back. I have a friend, just dx with Stage IV, and she is filled with regrets because she refused to do chemo and just had a double mastecomy. Now she wonders if she had chemo would she not have the cancer come back. Of course, hindsight is 20/20. We do the best we can. You can do EVERYTHING like I did and the cancer still returns, but I at least I know that I left no stone unturned in fighting this disease. I wish you all the best in any and all decisions you make. We have to live life that way we need to and that isn't the same for everyone.

  • dlm425
    dlm425 Member Posts: 209
    edited October 2013


    side effects to hormonal therapy are not as bad as you may think!! It is also the backbone to anyone who is ER/PR positive!! I still enjoy sex very much and the only thing it does for me is hot flashes all day long. But I'm not sure if its sill from the chemo or if its the tamoxifen. Reading the posts recently I was surprised to read that a lot of women do not want to take hormonal therapy and I feel the same way aaoaao do everything you can for no recurrence!!! We all put poison in our bodies that killed more than just the cancer and tamoxifen just depletes the cancer cells of what it needs to survive so why not try it and see!!! Rain----I didn't get any of the side effects from tamoxifen sex is just as good as it was!!! Good luck to all

  • dlm425
    dlm425 Member Posts: 209
    edited October 2013


    Rain it probably hurts because we haven't had it in awhile!!!!

  • Alibeths
    Alibeths Member Posts: 656
    edited October 2013


    Hi ladies!!!!! Hope everyone is done!!!!! I'm 5 weeks out and had a bmx 1 week ago and went direct to implant. I have a lot of ripples, which my dr says will amooth out. Has anyone else had this??? Hope everyone is feeling good. It's hard to believe how long ago it feel like when I posted this topic. It really has helped me. Xoxo

  • Annie54
    Annie54 Member Posts: 247
    edited October 2013


    KatiAK,


    Hi! I'm visiting from the May Chemo thread. Here's the scoop on my hair. I had a different cocktail than you (TCH) and lost about 80% of my hair during treatment. My last infusion was August 22 and I buzzed off the remaining strands in anticipation of the new hair growth to come. Probably didn't need to as the stubble fell out anyway! I was BALD for 6 weeks and then the fuzz/growth began. My nurse told me I'd start to see some sprouts at 6 weeks and she was right. Today I'm 10 weeks past chemo and finally have the 5 o'clock shadow....but no coverage yet. I'm thinking it will be 12 to 16 weeks after chemo before I can go without head cover. I think my time frame is pretty typical although I know some of my pals on the May thread have had their hair come in a bit faster.


    As for eyebrows and eyelashes - I kept them all through chemo to have them fall out 2 months post chemo. Hate it! Good news is that the eyebrows began filling in right away. I have read they fall out when the new growth pushes them out - which sounds true as mine are almost back after only a week or two. Eyelashes not so much....still waiting for them to start growing again.


    Toenails - kept them through chemo only to lose 4 of them 2 months out. MO says the Taxotere is to blame as it has lots of "latent" SEs that continue for several months after chemo ends. The gift that keeps on giving I'm afraid.


    Hang in everyone! It does get so much better as time goes on. I actually finished rads this week and it has been the easiest part of this whole saga. My energy is back and I feel "almost" normal again. Hoping everyone does well.


    Annie

  • aaoaao
    aaoaao Member Posts: 593
    edited November 2013


    I still think people should do what they want regarding treatment decisions. I will say though that I do find it odd that people will have cancerous cells/tumors cut out of their bodies, radiate the hell out of any area where cancer cells might still be, and spend months having poison injected into their bodies to kill the cancer cells and then refuse to take a simple daily pill (with fewer serious side effects than chemo or radiation) to starve those same cancer cells. The reason why it is now recommended to take hormonal therapy for 10 years instead of 5 is because studies have proven that there is a significant benefit for reducing the chance of recurrence. I just returned from a breast cancer conference and the experts there said the longer you take them the better but even just taking them for a few years offers some benefit. I hope people really look at the research before just deciding to reject the use of hormone therapy. At least try the pills and discuss any side effects with your ONC, many can be resolved. However, in the end we have to make our own choices and we have to live with those choices. I do hope for the best for everyone here.

  • NisaVilla
    NisaVilla Member Posts: 574
    edited November 2013


    I agree with every word you wrote Aaoaao.

  • raindeer1217
    raindeer1217 Member Posts: 90
    edited November 2013


    Weirdest thing tonight. 5 weeks out from my last taxol treatment, my big toenails are killing me. Anyone else having this issue? Managed to have little to no nail issues during chemo and now it appears I am going to lose my big toe nails. They hurt throb very painful. Most mention losing nails being uncomfortable and unnerving but not "painful". Ouchie.


    Also I feel like an old lady with joint and body aches. Sharp pains in my hips and shoulders (large bones) what's the deal? I am 5 weeks post.


    Any insight ?

  • NisaVilla
    NisaVilla Member Posts: 574
    edited November 2013


    Rain - to answer your question, I have no trouble with sex. On Arimidex for over a month. No SEs yet and I was one to have many with chemo. So much neuropathy treatment was cut short. To me, it makes sense to try out a treatment before giving up on it.

  • raindeer1217
    raindeer1217 Member Posts: 90
    edited November 2013


    Nistavilla. aaoaao, thank you for your honest direct opinion. I want to go into hormone treatment and I will. Grade 3, 1.9cm er pr+. Can't have journeyed this far with chemo and a double mastectomy to bail now.


    Wishful thinking and scared I guess. Had such bad SE on chemo makes me nervous I am going to be a sicky on HOR's.


    NistaVilla thank you for posting a reply it soothes my mind knowing that you are having minimal SE's and your still enjoying the wild thang!


    Guess I am just pouting thought I could but this cancer shit behind me once the last chemo treatment was done. Wave bye bye and move on like it never happened.


    Nope head up lean Down and forge on.


    Committing to 6 months of TM and tomorrow I am going to fill the RX


    ROAR!!!





  • NisaVilla
    NisaVilla Member Posts: 574
    edited November 2013


    Rain - it will be fun to compare notes! Let us know when you get started. When are you having your foobs in?

  • kmurphy
    kmurphy Member Posts: 55
    edited November 2013


    Hi, All! Don't get on as often as before.....just trying to keep up with life while going through all this. Usually just peek on all of you about once a week to see how everyone is doing.


    Aaoaao--I agree with you 100%. I pretty much do what the doctors recommend. Of course, I read up on the recommendations and ask questions. I want to do everything I can to live as long as I can.


    Many of my questions come from reading this board and hearing the experiences all of you have.


    Rain- I finished ACT on Oct 3. Just lost my first toenail yesterday and I'm sure I will lose more. Sometimes my toenails were painful and they were gross. The whole thing freaks me out a little but, there is another tiny toenail that was under the old one, so not nearly as bad as I thought it would look.


    I feel like this is never ending doc appts. There is a cyst (?) on my ovary that my onc doesn't like the looks of so she is sending me to another doc. I am also waiting on the genetic testing. I feel like if the genetic testing is positive I would just rather have a hysterectomy and be done with it. Not sure, but that may be the docs recommendation also. I guess I will find out. i will start rads on Wed.

  • raindeer1217
    raindeer1217 Member Posts: 90
    edited November 2013


    Nistavilla. I love that word, Foobs. I was aiming for December but I've just opted to change reconstruction surgeons. I had a personality conflict with the office manager and decided as much as felt my surgeon was capable I didn't want to contribute to his office managers salary. I also think after research I need to get a few more fills as my TE are not quite the size my real breast were, I've read that my TE should be slightly larger. I go next week for a second opinion at a larger hospital, it's a commute but I think it will be worth it.


    How about you?

  • raindeer1217
    raindeer1217 Member Posts: 90
    edited November 2013


    has anyone heard from Ocean?

  • Netter
    Netter Member Posts: 107
    edited November 2013


    Be glad to hear how you all are doing on your hormone theraphy. I have decided against it, partly because of my age 64 and because I have started joint problems and bone density. Don't think I want to add to it. I am exercising, walking and trying to have a good diet. That is the way I want to fight a recurrence. If I was younger, I think I would look at it in a different way. I have also prayed about this decision and nothing has happened to make me think this is the wrong one. I wish all of you the very best and hope you get along great, whatever you decide. :-)))))

  • KatiAK
    KatiAK Member Posts: 138
    edited November 2013


    Thanks Anne - it's good to know I'm not alone in my baldness but I'm not sure I'm feeling any better knowing it could be another month or two. Maybe for Christmas? I told my 9 year old I didn't think I'd ever have hair again. He said, "that's ok Mom, it's not your hair that makes you special anyway". Tears.


    I get fingernail and toenail pain a lot. My fingernails look horrible but I can see new growth by my cuticles. My body must be recovering. I still have quite a lot of pain. Not like it was. I'm almost 6 weeks out from chemo. I think the radiation prolongs the pain. I've had 14 of 33.


    I agree with aaoaao. Everybody's gotta do what they gotta do. I'm gonna do it all. My oncotype score was 34 and every step I take reduces that number. Gotta do it for that 9 year old.


    I went shopping the other day - for just a few things. I was with my kids grabbing some things to finish Halloween projects. I saw this guy in the store a couple times and each time he would stand aside, and kind of smile. I didn't think much of it - I have a lot of people stare at my dew rag and baseball cap. I loaded my stuff into my car getting ready to leave then pushed the cart into the cart rack. When I turned around this same young man was standing there and he says, "Has anyone told you today that you're beautiful?" ... I said "Thank you!" I got in my car and cried all the way home. I even had my daughter in tears. I think sometimes it's the act of always being so strong that makes us so emotional. I get overwhelmed with exhaustion by it all sometimes.


    Anyway - wanted to share. Hope everyone is doing well.

  • Annie54
    Annie54 Member Posts: 247
    edited November 2013


    KatiAK,


    What your 9 yo and the man in the parking lot said to you has brought tears to my eyes! I think you are right - trying to stay so strong brings us very close to the emotional side of things...for which I'm thankful.


    Here's to a full head of streaming wind blown hair for all of us!


    Annie

  • dlm425
    dlm425 Member Posts: 209
    edited November 2013


    Hi Katiak aaoaao and all I'm getting g ready for my exchange in 9 days and I have been reading and love all the stories. My fingernails and toenails have hurt through the entire treatment but all still accounted for. Tamoxifen and I are friends every night at 8 I take it with no SE. My hair is about a half inch and almost filled in all the way but still not enough to call it a hair do. I know everyone says its just hair but it is the hardest for me. Hope all is well and everyone feels good!!! Enjoy your day

  • annika12
    annika12 Member Posts: 433
    edited November 2013


    #11 done only one more to go !!! Yeah !!! My hair is about 1/2 inch beach blonde turning dark ....I've always been real blonde but would be very happy with darker while its short to cover better ....who I'm I kidding I don't care....I'm getting HAIR again :D Nails hurt bad end of each week and I feel useless with them...still think I might loose two but doc says no !! Got a nasty looking eye , blocked oil !!! MRI this week and ct scan end of months but trying not to worry about it :/ Have a great week ladies !

  • KatiAK
    KatiAK Member Posts: 138
    edited November 2013


    dlm - let us know how the exchange goes. I have to find a new doctor for my annual exams. They want a pap smear on me before tamoxifen. I haven't done one in awhile. I'm just tired of the whole process. I also need to schedule a time to have my port removed. Has anybody else had their port removed? How does that go? I want to wait until radiation is done. 16 more to go. I slather with lotion and I'm doing ok so far but I've developed a couple spots - like freckles. Weird. I guess I better get it done so I can wrap this up before Christmas.


    NO hair - none. :(

  • SaltyJack
    SaltyJack Member Posts: 420
    edited November 2013


    Hi ladies - I just checked out this thread and I'm sure the answer is here somewhere but I'm hoping some of you will give me some encouraging information - please?! I had my last of four A/C treatments last Friday and have four taxotere/herceptin/perjeta to go before surgery. I know some ladies have had hair regrowth after A/C during the taxol treatments (but maybe thin?) and I'm hoping that will happen for me. I'm really not complaining because I have a wig that's comfortable and I think it looks pretty natural - but it sure would be nice to have a little of my own hair on my head again.... What has anybody else experienced? Should I just be more patient? :)


    Thanks so much - I'm so glad I discovered this website and the discussion boards!


    SaltyJack

  • annika12
    annika12 Member Posts: 433
    edited November 2013


    salty Jack - I didn't lose ALL hair with AC but most and looked patchy and funky started Taxol and lost it all shiny bold :( but midway through it started growing . Full set of peach fuzz :) now I have 1 left and about half inch. It does feel good to know it's still working up there but prob a long time before I have a full head of hair again.

  • Angstapp
    Angstapp Member Posts: 121
    edited November 2013


    Saltyjack i had a little growth after AC before Tax but tax took my eyelashes and eyebrows - bastard!!! 6 weeks post chemo and not an eyebrow in sight, hair on head looks like friar tuck - nothing on top yet but a bit on the sides and back, very attractive (not) - holy shit i hope it grows back on top lol

  • Netter
    Netter Member Posts: 107
    edited November 2013


    It has been a little over 4 months since chemo. I have an average of 11/2 inches all over my head. My hair is UGLY!!!!!!! Like a brillo pad!!!!! I think it is thicker than it was. My hair appointment is the week of Thanksgiving and I am so hopeful that she can do SOMETHING with it! I always wear a hat, scarf or wig when going out. Wish I could be free like so many that are bald and just go!!! My eyebrows and lashes were thin, but Brian Josephs helped me keep them and they grew back fast. I am still using my tube. It has lasted since June and using it everyday. So, it isn't as expensive since it lasts so long.

  • Alibeths
    Alibeths Member Posts: 656
    edited November 2013


    Brian Josephs didn't work for me...I still have 3/4 of a tube if anyone wants it...PM me. : )

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