I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited August 2013

    Me three. Both. Run, Hilary, run!



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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2013

    Love that quote from Bill Clinton, the soon to be First Gentleman.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited August 2013

    Suzie - vote early?  Yes, this is a concept the GOP would like to stop in our country.

    Blue - CM talking about today's version of racism.  So true.  Thank you.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2013

    Especially for the GOP

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited August 2013

    Kam - this is quite a new thing here - normally if you can't vote on the day, you send in a postal vote. Voting is complusory here. Steve voted yesterday. They say you can only pre poll if you can't get to a booth on election day, but they don't ask you for proof or any questions.

  • pupmom
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  • RetiredLibby
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    The Washington Post

    Republicans absent from March on Washington

    By  Ed O’Keefe, Published: August 28

    Not a single Republican elected official stood on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on Wednesday with activists, actors, lawmakers and former presidents invited to mark the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington — a notable absence for a party seeking to attract the support of minority voters.

    Event organizers said Wednesday that they invited top Republicans, all of whom declined to attend because of scheduling conflicts or ill health.

    But aides to some GOP congressional leaders said they received formal invitations only in  recent weeks, making it too late to alter their summer recess schedules.

    The Rev. Leah D. Daughtry of the House of the Lord Church in the District, who served as executive producer of the commemoration, said the organizing committee began sending invitations to top leaders of both parties “on a rolling basis probably four or five weeks ago.”

    “We had a very concerted effort, because this is not a political moment. This was about us coming together as a community, so we wanted to be sure that we had all political representations,” Daughtry said. “We attempted very vigorously to have someone from the GOP participate and unfortunately they were unable to find someone who was able to participate.”

    King’s eldest son, Martin Luther King III, said Wednesday that he was disappointed “that we didn’t have bipartisanship.” He noted that his mother, Coretta Scott King, had maintained relationships with all the living former presidents. “It would have been great” to see, King said, “that around the banner of Martin Luther King everyone could come together, because Dad represented the interest of all who were mistreated.”

    Health reasons kept former presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush from the event, family representatives said. Former Florida governor Jeb Bush also declined an invitation, Daughtry said.

    George W. Bush, who is recovering from a recent heart procedure, issued a statement hailing President Obama’s appearance near the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial. “There on the National Mall our President, whose story reflects the promise of America, will help us honor the man who inspired millions to redeem that promise,” Bush said.

    The absence of any top Republicans came two weeks after national GOP leaders used their annual summer meeting to begin a program to attract minority voters by highlighting the careers of younger “rising stars,” including minority state legislators from Oklahoma and New Hampshire. After a dismal showing among minorities in the 2012 election, many Republican leaders have said the party must do better amid rapidly changing demographics.

    Michael Steele, the first black Republican lieutenant governor of Maryland and a former Republican National Committee chairman, said event organizers told him that they were having difficulty attracting Republican speakers. He faulted GOP leaders for not making time to attend.

    “It’s part of a continuing narrative that the party finds itself in with these big deals for minority communities around the country and how they perceive our response to them,” he said.

    Steele was not invited to speak because he isn’t a current party or elected official. “But if I were the current chairman and hadn’t been invited, that’d be a different story,” he said. “If I hadn’t been invited, I would have forced myself on them.”

    The RNC held its own commemoration event on Monday in Washington with black Republicans and conservative civil rights activists.

    House Speaker John A. Boehner (Ohio), the highest-ranking Republican in Washington, was invited to attend Wednesday’s gathering but declined because of a scheduling conflict, aides said.

    Boehner was in Jackson Hole, Wyo., and had no public schedule Wednesday but has been headlining dozens of GOP fundraisers nationwide this month. Aides noted that he led an official congressional commemoration of King’s “I Have a Dream” speech on July 31 at the U.S. Capitol that other top congressional leaders attended.

    House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) received an invitation to attend 12 days ago, which was too late to change scheduled political appearances Wednesday in North Dakota and Ohio, aides said.

    Cantor led a congressional delegation to Selma, Ala., in March to observe the 50th anniversary of the “Bloody Sunday” march at the invitation of Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), the only surviving speaker from the 1963 March on Washington.

    Daughtry said Cantor tried hard to find another GOP lawmaker to take his place but was unsuccessful. Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) also was invited to speak but declined for scheduling reasons, she said.

    Among the congressional Democrats who spoke Wednesday were Lewis and Reps. Joaquin Castro (Tex.), Donna F. Edwards (Md.) and Marcia L. Fudge (Ohio), chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus.

    The only senator to speak was Angus King (Maine), an independent who caucuses with the Democrats and who recalled attending the original 1963 march as a young college student.

    Aides said King was invited to speak two weeks ago by Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), who also skipped the Washington event but attended a commemoration event in Nevada. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) was not invited to speak, aides said.

    Other congressional leaders were absent in Washington on Wednesday. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) attended a march commemoration at Grace Cathedral in San Francisco after participating in another event on the Mall on Saturday, aides said.

    Some Republicans noted that organizers did not invite Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.), the only black Republican senator, who was appointed to his seat this year. Aides said Scott planned to attend a church service honoring King on Wednesday night in North Charleston, S.C.

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    Niiiice.  Keeping it classy as always, regressives. 

  • RetiredLibby
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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited August 2013

    Sorry - picture didn't show.  Will try to fix.

    ETA - just can't get it to post. 

    Chocolate is a vegetable after all ... wish I could show you!

  • RetiredLibby
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    edited August 2013

    Salon.com

    Thursday, Aug 29, 2013

    Clinton’s line was true: The sad facts about assault weapons and voting

    Are there really places in America where it's easier to buy an AR-15 than vote for president? Here are the details                       

    By Alex Seitz-Wald

    At the 50th Anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s March on Washington yesterday afternoon, former president Bill Clinton delivered not just one of the best lines of the day, but one of the best lines of the debate over voting rights when he declared, “A great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon.”

    It exploded on Twitter, captured headlines, and struck a chord on the left, distilling a complex problem into an accessible and emotionally charged little nugget. And on top of that, it tied together two disparate progressive policy goals. A perfect tidbit of political meme-making.

    And the most remarkable part about it: If you live in a growing number of states, it’s absolutely true. In places like Texas and Virginia with strict voter ID laws and weak gun regulations, it’s pretty safe to say that it is in fact easier to purchase an AR-15 than to vote for president. Nationally, well that’s another story.

    First, take a look at the voting laws. There are currently 13 states that have passed strict voter ID laws, according to Keesha Gaskins, senior counsel at the Brennan Center for Justice. (Some of those laws haven’t gone into effect yet, or are facing legal challenges, but for the purposes of this exercise, we’ll treat them as if they’re in place.) These kinds of laws are the most restrictive type of voting legislation around. While federal law requires some kind of ID, it could be a utility bill, student ID or, in some cases, even a signed affidavit attesting to your identity, among other things. But in strict voter ID states, it has to be a government-issued photo ID, and some states, like Texas, don’t even allow out-of-state IDs. These restrictions can be a big burden for millions of people who don’t have drivers licenses or birth certificates, or who lost them, or who don’t live near a DMV, etc.

    As for guns, under federal law, you can buy a gun through a private seller without even showing an ID. And assault weapons have been fair game since the ban on them expired in 2004. Here’s a Department of Justice report (emphasis added):

    Individuals who buy guns from an unlicensed private seller in a “secondary market venue” (such as gun shows, flea markets, and Internet sites) are exempt from the requirements of federal law to show identification, complete the Form 4473, and undergo a National Instant Criminal Background Check System check.

    States can add their own restrictions on top of that, but only about a third have. “Under the law in 33 states, it is legal for a person to purchase any kind of assault weapon (assault rifle or assault pistol) without any kind of background check or even showing ID, so long as the seller is not licensed as a dealer,” explained Lindsay Nichols, an attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which tracks firearms regulations.

    And while it takes just a few seconds to complete a background check in more than 95 percent of cases, it can take hours of work and days of waiting for someone to acquire the ID they might need to vote.

    Scoreboard: There are 33 states where you can buy an assault weapon without ID, versus zero states where you can vote without providing some kind of ID — it’s federal law. Meanwhile, there are 43 state where you can buy an assault weapon with an ID, and, and 37 states were you can vote without a government-issued ID.

    But it’s important to note that the kinds of states that tend to implement voter ID laws — those controlled by Republicans — arenot the kinds of state that tend to implement gun restrictions, which is generally a Democratic thing. (For a visual aide, compare these two maps: guns, votes.) So, in states like Texas and Virginia, which have both recently enacted voter ID laws, it is safe to say that, once those laws go into effect, it will absolutely be easier to purchase an assault weapon than to vote. No ID required to buy the gun, a government-issued photo ID needed to vote.

    And while gun regulations are eroding or making modest progress in state capitols across the country, state legislatures are rushing to enact voter restrictions. “We’re in the middle of the biggest wave of restriction of voting rights since the Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965,” said Katherine Culliton-Gonzalez, the director of voter protection at the Advancement Project, a civil rights group that litigates against restrictive voting laws.

    At least 36 states have introduced restrictive voting laws this year alone, according to a report from the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights and the Advancement Project, and at least 10 have passed them. Last year was just as bad and next year is expected to be even worse, since the Supreme Court repealed the Voting Rights Act and given that there’s an election.

    “In the 2008 election, there were two states with strict voter ID laws, in 2012 there were four, by 2014, we’ll have somewhere like 14,” Gaskins said. “These aren’t just growing, they’re growing exponentially.”

    Voting and firearm ownership are both fundamental American rights, but a there few huge, critical differences here that should perhaps influence the way the state regulates them. Just to name a few: 1) There’s little danger of someone killing someone with their voting card. 2) There’s plenty of evidence that people die from guns, a crisis that might naturally provoke a public policy response, while there is essentially zero credible evidence of voter fraud, the perorated reason for enacting ballot restrictions. And 3) Perhaps most importantly, as Gaskins noted, “if you really want a gun, there will always be a way to find one easily, either at a gun show on the streets. But in some states, there is no easy way to vote.”

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited August 2013

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY MJ!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2013

    Here is something I ran across.....thought provoking to me.

    It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.
    --Henry A. Wallace

    Speaking of not having Republican representatives at the MLK celebration yesterday and the fact of so many having made prior appts. that could not be changed --- yeah, right.  If one needs to plan for a legitimate reason....they can but as noted -- at this time, likely not a very smart move. 

    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2013

    a little old but....

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2013
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited August 2013

    That is sooooo true!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited August 2013

    And Jackie, most Republicans are under the illusion that their Party is the party of fiscal responsibility.  A tired old bromide.  Same old story, they believe what they want to believe.  

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2013

    And here's a HUGE piece of nearly complete hypocrisy.This one is a one time wanna-be, but not nearly smart enough has been, that is done, over and out.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/28/republican-joe-walsh-says-black-america-needs-to-take-responsibility-for-improving-their-own-lives/

    The thing is....with nut jobs like this....all the responsibility in the world won't move this guy's needle one millimeter.  All used up and dried up....too bad he doesn't just blow away.

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited August 2013

    If he would have left out the word black it would actually have had meaning.  As it is, it's just disgusting.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2013

    Interesting piece:

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited August 2013

    had my first acupuncture visit last night.  The next one is tonight.  This morning I could walk down the stairs like a normal person instead of some kind of cripple, so I'm hopeful.

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