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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited August 2013
  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited August 2013

    Read a cute quote:



    Being old is when you finally know all the answers but no one is asking the questions anymore.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited August 2013
  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited August 2013
  • Alyson
    Alyson Member Posts: 4,308
    edited August 2013

    Looks like the wool in my basket.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited August 2013

    KITTENS!!!

    Love the political cartoons all.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited August 2013
  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited August 2013

    (M) This is what a wealthy liberal looks like.

    Heh.  And all liberals are brainless drones mindlessly following whatever their leader tells them.  And they are all takers and lazy people who don't have jobs and all want "free stuff" from the gub'mint.  Except they aren't. 

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited August 2013
  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited August 2013



     



    Monday, Aug 19, 2013 07:43 AM EDT

    GOP’s secret fear: House majority is in trouble

    Top Republicans are increasingly concerned that their unpopularity and incompetence could soon cost them the House                       

    By Brian Beutler                   

    If you listened closely last week, you heard the unmistakable sound of the air of certainty seeping out of a bubble of conventional wisdom. For months — in some cases, years — political junkies have held the notion that the GOP’s House majority was semi-permanent as an article of faith. Times change.

    After the elections in November, the GOP’s hold on the House was almost universally thought to be unshakable, at least in the coming midterms, possibly through the end of the decade. Republicans had used the huge gains they made in 2010 to redraw the congressional map in a way that made their majority immune from referendum. Democrats won the popular vote for the House by over a million ballots in 2012 and didn’t come close to recapturing it. The economy could soar, Republicans could spiral out of control, and the Democrats would still have a hard time winning back the House before the next census in 2020.

    Nothing’s changed about the map in the past 10 months, and the country’s as polarized as ever. But suddenly Republicans aren’t so confident that their majority is all that durable. Or to put it less charitably, the party worries it’s so rudderless and unpopular that it might blow what everyone believed to be a rigged game much sooner than expected.

    In three different stories, four reporters with strong Republican sourcing detected a specter of doubt haunting the GOP. The Washington Examiner’s Byron York distilled it most clearly.

    “Behind the scenes — in whispered asides, not for public consumption — some Republicans are now worried that keeping the House is not such a done deal after all,” he wrote. “They look back to two elections, 1998 and 2006, in which Republicans seriously underperformed expectations, and they wonder if 2014 might be a little like those two unhappy years.”

    Expectations-setting is a timeless sport in politics, and everyone who covers politics knows it when they hear or read it. An aide breathlessly bemoans the odds against his candidate, the candidate mumbles that his debate opponent is a silver-tongued prince of the spoken word.

    None of these stories has that quality. They all betray genuine anxiety about the party’s inability to extend its appeal beyond an impassioned but isolated conservative constituency, and the internal problems that have prevented Republicans from executing an agenda or otherwise demonstrating the capability of governing.

    Their problems are threefold and intertwined. First, the GOP has become effectively agenda-less, advocating policies that lack popular support, and that they quite possibly couldn’t execute even if they controlled the government entirely.

    Second, as Politico honchos Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen explain, “The party is hurting itself even more with the very voters they need to start winning back: Hispanics, blacks, gays, women and swing voters of all stripes.” That’s partially a consequence of their agenda-less-ness, and partially a consequence of its members’ propensity to say things and advocate ideas that further alienate women and minorities.

    Third, a combination of chance and poor decisions will turn the coming midterm into a referendum on issues custom tailored to energize Democratic demographics that tend to sit out midterms.

    The first two problems require little explanation. Republicans continue to advocate an agenda of tax cuts for wealthy people, spending cuts for poor people, lax business regulation and religious social conservatism. They’ve used their control of the House to advance legislation affirming that agenda, though are at times too fractured to pass those bills. They’re more interested in breaking Obamacare than with advancing their own ideas but lack the ability to repeal or defund it. Their limited power means they can’t hope to accomplish any of their far-fetched goals without resorting to dangerous procedural brinkmanship. That’s created a tense political climate where their most extreme members feel comfortable saying and doing things that further isolate the party.

    And that’s where problem three comes into play. Republican leaders were reflective enough after the election to commit to passing real immigration reform, but seem too disorganized to follow through, proving to the Latino voters they hoped to woo that elements of the party are truly hostile to their concerns. The Senate’s immigration bill could become law, if not for the House GOP and the House GOP alone. Separately, a recent Supreme Court decision invalidating the Voting Rights Act’s pre-clearance standards has thrown the question of how to protect minority enfranchisement to Congress, and House Republicans seem to think the answer is: “don’t.”

    Later this year, Congress will contend with sequestration and equal pay for women, both of which present Republicans a choice of alienating their own base or riling their political enemies.

    Unlike 2010, individual segments of the Democratic coalition will have their own unique reasons for showing up at the polls, and if they do, Republicans risk losing the one branch of government they control.

    That’s the theory. It’s why Republicans are suddenly concerned. It’s the theme of this column by Free Beacon’s Matthew Continetti titled “Be Afraid.”

    The good news for Republicans is that scholarship doesn’t back the theory that voters — even single-issue voters — turn out in greater-than-expected numbers when their issues are central to the election. It could happen. Anything could happen. But George Washington University political scientist John Sides emails:

    I think people overestimate how much elections depend on ‘who votes’ as opposed to changes in ‘how they voted.’ Imagine how we got from a Democratic wave in the 2006 midterms to a GOP wave in the 2010 midterms. The turnout demographics don’t look that different. It was more that enough voters changes their minds …

    I don’t think that many voters are motivated to vote (or not) based on the specific issues in play. Lynn Vavreck and I investigated this question in our book on 2012 (out next month!). Specifically, we looked at whether women’s attitudes toward Obama or Romney or stated likelihood to vote depended on the amount of news coverage of abortion and contraception (the fights about the ACA, Sandra Fluke, Akin, Mourdock, etc.). There was no relationship. In general, there has been much more evidence that mobilization depends on how voters are contacted — e.g., face-to-face contact matters more than a phone call or mailing — and much less evidence that the particular message voters get matters.

    Of course, powerful parties don’t become or remain powerful by ignoring politics and pinning all of their hopes on theory. It’s natural that Republicans are reflecting on their agenda, even if changing their agenda won’t matter all that much next November. What’s interesting is that they’re looking in the mirror — and they don’t like what they’re seeing.

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    Maybe they learned something from Robme's relentless and delusional belief that he was going to win.  Or maybe not.





  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited August 2013

    I'm concerned that they've gerrymandered themselves into a permanent House majority. 

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited August 2013

    Good article.  Boy would I love to see them lose the House.  Would be dancing in the street!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2013

    This is more frightening to me than gerrymandering.http://www.alec.org/  We have a chance to change the map at the next census - but this group, dangerous, IMHO.  Bill Moyers had an excellent show about their influence.

    LOVE the pics

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited August 2013

    I am so very sorry, my Canadian friends.  You have to claim Carnival Cruz, too.  He never renounced his Canadian citizenship, and in a very typical uninformed Republican statement, his spokesperson says he doesn't have to.  *SIGH*

    Dallas Morning News

    Canada-born Ted Cruz became a citizen of that country as well as U.S.

    August 18, 2013






     

    Sen. Ted Cruz's birth certificate shows he was born in Canada in 1970. It was released exclusively to The Dallas Morning News.











     






    WASHINGTON — Born in Canada to an American mother, Ted Cruz became an instant U.S. citizen. But under Canadian law, he also became a citizen of that country the moment he was born.




    Unless the Texas Republican senator formally renounces that citizenship, he will remain a citizen of both countries, legal experts say.

    That means he could assert the right to vote in Canada or even run for Parliament. On a lunch break from the U.S. Senate, he could head to the nearby embassy — the one flying a bright red maple leaf flag — pull out his Calgary, Alberta, birth certificate and obtain a passport.

    “He’s a Canadian,” said Toronto lawyer Stephen Green, past chairman of the Canadian Bar Association’s Citizenship and Immigration Section.

    The circumstances of Cruz’s birth have fueled a simmering debate over his eligibility to run for president. Knowingly or not, dual citizenship is an apparent if inconvenient truth for the tea party firebrand, who shows every sign he’s angling for the White House.

    “Senator Cruz became a U.S. citizen at birth, and he never had to go through a naturalization process after birth to become a U.S. citizen,” said spokeswoman Catherine Frazier. “To our knowledge, he never had Canadian citizenship, so there is nothing to renounce.”

    The U.S. Constitution allows only a “natural born” American citizen to serve as president. Most legal scholars who have studied the question agree that includes an American born overseas to an American parent, such as Cruz.

    The Constitution says nothing about would-be presidents born with dual citizenship.

    Detractors have derided Cruz as “Canadian Ted,” saying he can’t run for president because he wasn’t born on U.S. soil.

    Cruz, a Harvard-trained lawyer and former clerk for the U.S. chief justice, disagrees. He reasserted last week that being an American by birth makes him eligible.

    Looking ahead

    Two visits in recent weeks to Iowa, the first state to winnow the field of presidential candidates, set off a fresh flurry of commentary on the issue. He heads to New Hampshire, another early voting state, on Friday — another strong sign that he’s eyeing a 2016 run.

    The political impact of his citizenship status remains to be seen. Doubts about President Barack Obama’s heritage dogged him throughout 2008 and persist among hardcore “birthers.”

    Officials at Citizenship and Immigration Canada said that without a signed privacy waiver from Cruz, they cannot discuss his case.

    “Generally speaking, under the Citizenship Act of 1947, those born in Canada were automatically citizens at birth unless their parent was a foreign diplomat,” said ministry spokeswoman Julie Lafortune.

    For the first time, Cruz released his birth certificate Friday in response to inquiries from The Dallas Morning News.

    Dated a month after his birth on Dec. 22, 1970, it shows that Rafael Edward Cruz was born to Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, a “geophysical consultant” born in Matanzas, Cuba, and the former Eleanor Elizabeth Wilson, born in Wilmington, Del.

    Her status made the baby a U.S. citizen at birth. For that, U.S. law required at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen who had lived for at least a decade in the United States.

    She registered his birth with the U.S. consulate, Frazier said, and the future senator received a U.S. passport in 1986 ahead of a high school trip to England.

    Rafael Cruz, now a pastor in suburban Dallas, fled Cuba for Texas as a teen in 1957. He remained a Cuban citizen until he became a naturalized American in 2005.

    Automatic citizenship

    Until 1947, people born in Canada were British subjects. The system Canada adopted after that closely mirrors that of the U.S.

    Both confer citizenship automatically to anyone born on their territory, and to children of citizens even when the birth takes place overseas.

    By 1970, the Cruzes had moved to the Canadian oil patch, where they launched a seismic-data business. For purpose of citizenship, being foreigners made no difference.

    “If a child was born in the territory, he is Canadian, period,” said France Houle, a law professor at the University of Montreal. “He can ask for a passport. He can vote.”

    The fact that Cruz left Canada when he was 4 doesn’t affect his status there, either.

    “If you leave when you’re 2 minutes old, you’re still an American. It’s the same in Canada,” said Allison Christians, a law professor at McGill University in Montreal. “He’s a Canadian citizen.”

    Having practiced international tax law in the U.S. for 25 years, Christians has made a close study of citizenship rules. They often come into play in tax cases.

    “They can feel as American as they want. But the question of citizenship is determined by the law of the territory in which you were physically born,” she said. “It’s not up to the Cruz family to decide whether they’re citizens.”

    As a Cuban, Rafael Cruz probably could have requested citizenship for his son, experts said. Even if he’d wanted to, the Cuban Constitution bans dual citizenship. And the chance to register the child passed long ago.

    “The U.S. and Cuba have very similar legal patterns and requirements,” said David Abraham, a professor of immigration and citizenship law at the University of Miami.

    The situation reflects the overlapping jurisdictions, said Demetrios Papademetriou, president of the Washington-based Migration Policy Institute, who called birthright citizenship common in English-speaking countries.

    “If Ted Cruz was born in Canada, he is Canadian. He is American. He is a dual citizen,” he said.

    That’s not uncommon in Canada, especially in French-speaking Quebec. But even there it can cause headaches for politicians.

    In 2006, Canada’s Liberal Party Leader Stéphane Dion — born in Quebec City and also a citizen of France, his mother’s homeland — gave into a public uproar. He promised, reluctantly, to give up his French citizenship if he became prime minister, which never happened.

    Taxes

    Unlike the U.S., which requires its citizens to pay taxes no matter where they live in the world, Canada only taxes people who reside there.

    So there’s rarely much reason to relinquish Canadian citizenship.

    For Cruz, though, it may become a political imperative. Though it would not affect his eligibility for the presidency, he could face questions about whether it’s appropriate for a commander in chief to have dual citizenship.

    The relinquishment process is easy enough. It can take from a few weeks to a year. There’s a four-page form with a $100 fee. Applicants must appear before a special judge to prove they have citizenship elsewhere and aren’t engaged in fraud.

    Records are kept private.

    Green, one of Canada’s top immigration lawyers, has counseled pro sports teams, athletes and major corporations. He knows one person who renounced his Canadian citizenship as a condition of joining the U.S. Secret Service.

    “I’ve done it for people,” he said. “No problem.”

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    If Carney Cruz wants to run for President, he must renounce his Canadian citizenship.  My ex-husband was a consular official in Paris when the Grimaldi children renounced their American citizenship (which they inherited at birth from their mother, Grace Kelly).  Just because he THINKS he is special and doesn't have to renounce doesn't mean that is the case.  And our Texas friends have a Canadian as their junior senator.  Quelle horreur!

    Surprised

    Laughing




  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited August 2013

    Facebook is FULL of gems this morning (and I'm waiting for my eBay auctions to end in a few minutes, so I have some computer-time to spare!).

    Did you know this?Thanks to @[114270361928171:274:Americans Against The Republican Party] for sharing this.

    This reminds me of my former employee, a fall-off-the-edge-of-the-flat-earther who said, "Well, if this country wasn't founded on religion, why is "God" in the Constitution?"  I looked at her, stunned, and said, "It isn't.  There is no mention of God, Christ or Christianity anywhere in the Constitution, except for the date convention of 'the year of our Lord.'"  She said, "Well, God is mentioned in MY Constitution."  I guess the regressives have their own Constitution.  <eyeroll>

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited August 2013

    Sigh.  Just glanced at some of the nonsense that's still being written about Obamacare, and came across these gems:

    - "Half of small businesses say they will either cut hours to reduce full time employees or replace full time employees with part time workers to avoid Obamacare's employer mandate."

    Um, the "employer mandate" (which isn't really a mandate, but whatever, no point arguing terminology) doesn't apply to employers with fewer than 50 employees.  Even if your definition of small business is expansive (up to 100 employees?  200?), there's no way that "half" of small businesses are even covered by that provision of the law.  I just glanced at U.S. Census figures, and sure enough, only around 10% of *all* U.S. businesses have more than *20* employees! 

    - The president, Congress, various corporations and unions etc. etc. are "exempt" from "Obamacare."

    Um, no they're not. 

    I think Paul Krugman is right, that the closer we get to the roll out of the exchanges, the more frantic the opposition is becoming, and the more the circulation of this sort of nonsense is going to ramp up . . . not because anyone with half a brain and a lick of honesty thinks it's true, but because they're so desperate.

    Linda 

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited August 2013

    Another interesting story about (the privilege of) being born in CanadaSmile:

    During WW II a single room in Ottawa was ceded to the Netherlands

    Ottawa Tulip Festival

    Ottawa, Ontario - In 1943 Princess Margriet Francisca, the younger sister of the current Queen of the Netherlands, was born at Ottawa Civic Hospital - the only royal ever to be born in North America. The Dutch Royal Family had fled to Canada in 1940 after the WWII invasion of their country. Among their problems - the expected royal child needed to be delivered on Dutch territory to be a Dutch citizen. So, Canada ceded this one hospital maternity room temporarily to the Netherlands. In appreciation, in the fall of 1945, Princess Juliana of the Netherlands presented Ottawa with 100,000 tulip bulbs. And now each year Ottawa receives 20,000 tulip bulbs from the Royal Family and the Dutch Bulb Growers, a thank you for sheltering the Royal Family and for Canada's help with liberation of the Netherlands during WWII. Now the gardens of Ottawa burst into bloom each year in early May as the city celebrates the world's largest tulip festival.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited August 2013

    Here is WebMD's handy-dandy guide to the Affordable Care Act.  I understand there are now several websites as well as national pharmacies that are providing the "correct" info about the ACA.

    http://www.webmd.com/health-insurance/default.htm

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited August 2013

    Soooo - if the Repubs don't give a #$%^ that Cruz was not born in this country, and as far as they are concerned he is still a "natural born citizen" because his Mom was an US citizen, just what does that say about their craziness that Obama isn't "really" the President because they claim he was born in Kenya.  Of course, he wasn't born in Kenya, but how do they reconcile their own thought processes? 

    Person A has an American Mom and is born out of the country.  His birth certificate shows he was not born in the United States. 

    Person B has an American Mom and they want to believe against all evidence that he is born out of the country.  His "certificate of live birth (also known as a birth certificate) shows he was born in Hawaii.  

    According to the Repubs, person A is eligible to be President.  Person B is not.  You get just one guess about the difference between Person A and Person B.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2013

    It seems the ( GOP ) just can't keep anything up in the air very long anymore.  They are their own worst enemies.  Great lack of discipline with total instability.  And they are even going to pull their political ads from two channels.  Sorry E, but don't you know I'm crying tears as big as horse droppings over that one. 

    Hard to say what is going to happen in 14' and 16' but if the GOP stays on the current track I think a lot of arms are going to waving bye with great enthusiasm.  Of course I'm rambling...what else are you left with in the middle of such stupidity.  Sometimes I am stunned at it all -- hmmm Caddy Cruz....isn't he the guy that is always thirsty????

    Jackie

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited August 2013

    I thought that was Rubio. Laughing  If they just want to have people who watch Faux news watch their debates, what's that called, the blind leading the blind???

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2013

    My mistake...it was Rubio.  Cruz is the guy who was Gramps on the Muensters.  Thanks for the correction.

    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2013
  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited August 2013

    You can have Cruz and there might be a few Canadian conservatives that we could send over to join him.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited August 2013

    Veering O/T for a little bit. 

    Do we have any regulars or lurkers here who are from the Dayton Ohio area?  My 41-year-old niece was just dx with breast cancer.  The doctor's office called her on Friday afternoon to tell her the bx was positive but then told her there wasn't anyone to talk to her because the nurse navigator was "in training."  The NN told her this morning that she wouldn't read the path report over the phone or tell her anything because it was very complicated & technical and she didn't understand all of it, so she had to make an appointment with the doctor IN A FEW DAYS to discuss it.  Yell So, all she knows is that she has breast cancer.  She has a terrible family history in the maternal line - great-grandmother, grandmother, great-aunt, aunt (me) and mother all had BC.  Her mother (my sister) died last year from it at 69.  We were not happy with my sister's medical team, and I have been gone from Dayton for 34 years, so I don't have any knowledge of the medical community there at all.

    If anyone has any recommendations for oncologists and/or surgeons in the Dayton, Ohio area, could you PM me?  I can pass them on to my niece.  I am just flattened by this news.  She is just 41 and has a son just a year old.  Cry

    L

  • sewingnut
    sewingnut Member Posts: 1,129
    edited August 2013

    Retired Libby,  I tried to PM you but didn't have that option.  TonLee and Lilylady are from that area. TonLee was military. Lilylady has a very on top of things oncologist. PM her. She only gets on the boards a few times a week. Hopefully you will get others to chime in.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited August 2013

    Thanks, sewingnut.  I have remedied the PM situation.  I will PM TonLee and Lilylady.  Thanks for your help.

    L

  • GlobalGirlyGirl
    GlobalGirlyGirl Member Posts: 269
    edited August 2013

    RetiredLibby - Thank you for that article on Cruz. Interesting. I'm sure to the GOP, it's all good that he was born in Canada. Obama was actually born in a U.S. state, but he's been getting crap for it since 2008. That's because he's a Socialist Marxist Communist Imam. I mean black.

    I hope Hillary runs and kicks all their asses.

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited August 2013

    (((Libby)))  The way her doctor's office handled telling her this is hideous. Yell  All digits crossed for finding her a good group of doctors to help her through this.  She is so lucky she has you ... you are a formidable force ... can't think of anybody I'd rather have on my side.  Crappity, crap, crap ...

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