I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited June 2013
  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited June 2013

    Good Morning Everyone!

    Wanted to wish all the dads a Happy Father's Day.  My dad died three years ago and I still really miss him.  Wish we could have had one more day together.

    Happy Father's Day Poppa Burnie!  Love you and miss you dad.

    hugs to all,

    Bren

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited June 2013

    Notself .. I'm so happy to hear your brother is doing fine now.  The surgery sounded very grueling and scary.  I'm glad there was no return of the cancer.

    hugs,

    Bren

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited June 2013

    We have no business going into Syria or arming rebels.  Yes, something has to be done for humanitarian reasons but that is what the UN is for.  Our unilateral involvement is not necessary or wise.  If action needs to be taken, then it should be taken through the Arab League. Arabs should be instrumental in solving internal problems of Muslim states. 

    For those of you on Arimidex, I have some good news.  I have been done with my 5 years of Arimidex for 7 months and my energy levels have returned.  The aches and pains in my muscles and joints are gone.  Finally when I have sore muscles it's because I have been working in the garden not the same pain at all. I just wanted to let everyone know that there is hope for normalcy after Arimidex.




  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited June 2013

    Bren-2007,

    The sadness from the loss of a loved one never really disappears, nor do we really want it to.  The love we have for others forms threads that weave into our hearts and minds.  The thread remain even when those we love leave.  My Dad died 30 years ago and I still miss him.  My mother died 15 years ago and I still reach for the phone to call her. 

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited June 2013

    Bren..what a lovely tribute to your Dad.  I don't have a picture of my Dad, but he was and remains very special to me.  I continue to feel the influence of his teachings daily.  What seemed so casual at the time left deep and lasting marks that I treasure.  I have never loved he or my mother more than right now nor appreciated them more. 

    notself.....forgot to say, I'm happy that your brother had a fantastic Dr. that put him on the road to success with his treatment and good life can continue for him and his family. 

    Also nice note about the Arimidex.  I will be on it until November at which time I'm sure there will be a discussion about the next step.  That could indeed be a cessation of the drug.  I've been fortunate in I think, only having very light and intermittent se's, but still to me, one less drug to have to take is all the better.  I notice things most during weather changes.  

    Jackie 

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited June 2013

    notself - your report on finishing Arimidex is very encouraging. I have another year and a bit of Femara and am very much hoping for similar results.

    How will the right wing spin the facts in a couple of years time when no one has come for their guns,  they find that their health care options are significantly better, their "scandals" are just popcorn, employment is up, government spending is down and no one has been sent to a FEMA camp?

    Meanwhile we have some entertaining political stories going on both Federally and municipally in Toronto where Conservative politicians are thrashing about trying to say that apples are oranges so people won't notice their wrongdoings.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited June 2013

    Some pundits are beginning to notice that a few GOPers are now referring to the ACA as the ACA instead of Obamacare -- which is ceasing to become a dirty sobriquet as the public is starting to learn of its benefits.  Hahaha!  I expect the Democrats will continue to proudly mention Obamacare for the next several years -- until they manage to bring in the single-payer model!

    It's no wonder that the Cdn federal conservatives are having big, big problems -- they've paid far too much attention to the same losers that the GOP have used as advisors.  And the far-right fundies of the Party don't seem to see what ISN'T working for their counterparts in the U.S.  I just finished reading The Armageddon Factor by Marci MacDonald, and was both astounded and dismayed at just how far the influence and tentacles of Rushdooney, Hagee, Ralph Reed etc. have spread into the Canadian landscape.  However, reading about the "Faith and Freedom" Conference which just took place made me realize that the vast majority of Americans and Canadians will never buy in to these people's bigotry, religious lunacy and hardly opaque fascistic longings.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited June 2013

    This article is 2 years old but has still valid links, with explanations about Dominionism and the Seven Mountains Mandate (you know, the stuff Palin, Bachmann, Perry etc. believe in).  It's scary stuff but totally worth reading if you haven't already:

    http://www.politicususa.com/2011/06/26/7-mountains-mandate.html

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    HI, notself, so good to see you. So sorry to hear the difficult news about your brother, and joining all in celebrating his doing so well.

    I too finished my 5 years on Arimidex - and have had the same experience as you.  So good to feel the sore muscles from exercise, gardening.  Definitely more energy, tho I had a nasty flu, and still have bronchial problems from it, but even with all that, feel more energy.  Hang it there women, the light at the end of the Arimidex 5 year tunnel is SUNSHINE ( not another train)

    Joining all in conflict re: MIddle East. So many situations which do not seem to have a workable solution. Won't even "touch" USA foreign policy, haven't agreed with it in decadesFrown

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited June 2013

    Well, when the super big issues start to wind down we can always go to some of the current headliners.  Add Info has one on  " Christiam Man claims Native American Statue on Lincensse Plate violates his freedom of religion -- sues Oklahoma.

    The suit was thrown out once but re-instated.  When are some of these 'Christians' really planning on being a real  one.  Almost everyone can come up with something they are either persecuted or violated with or about.  This is a minister who has brought the suit.  I venture to say ( regardless of anything else ) that the Native American was on this soil first.  The minister feels people will be un-duly influenced to seek religious persuasions and not his Christian one if they look at this license plate depiction.  Why when people say they believe in the almighty who is pure and total love and benevolence do they persist in making the same entitiy appear to be subject to all the biases and wig-nuttery that so many are a part of on this Earth.  JMNO but I think these kind give Religions a bad go of it. 

    So thanks anyway ---  always some big issue.  Well, maybe the good minister will choose to grow up and we can wipe another stupidity off the plate. 

    Jackie

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited June 2013

    Dominion Theology has been around for a while and is behind the effort to eliminate the teaching of evolution in schools.  Here is a Nova special on the Kitzmiller v Dover lawsuit in Pennsylvania where Dominion Theology first came to the attention of the average person.  The program is two hours long but it is fascinating.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/intelligent-design-trial.html

    Here is a link to the Wedge Strategy as proclaimed by the Discovery Institute. It outlines the political and social agenda for turning the USA into a theocracy.  These folks think they are commanded by God and will not give up their efforts to bring civilization back to the Middle Ages.

    http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html

    What is truly startling is many if not most of the chaplains of the Military are followers of the Dominion philosophy and are attempting with some success to implement the Wedge Strategy. Their goal is to control not only politics but also social media, schools and the military. They appear to be making progress.

    Congratulations, Sunflowers, on being done with anti-hormonals.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    c4c - thanks for the linkie.  Couldn't read the whole thing, just had my lunchUndecided  But there is also a great free download at that sime link you posted for The Authoritarians Bob Altemeyer Associate Professor Department of Psychology University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Canada, with an introduction on John Dean, lamenting the LOSS of his Republican Party and what has become of it.

    Caught between laughing, and crying, and will probably do the NYTimes crossword instead of doing either. Sorta brings me back to how I felt in the early 1970's - when organizing with others to help pass ERA, and then hearing that someone ( who shall remain namelss, cuz I still gag when I think of her name) was oganizing against it, the ERA, with a MAJOR reason being the possibility of Unisex bathrooms.  I laughed, and then, when I realized the Big They were serious, I cried.  So now, nothing, nada, zip, surprises me - except how happy I still am to see the sunrise, hear the roosters calling good morning from across the road, and getting ready for another wonderful day.

    Know I "should" be "out there" organizing, "doing" etc., but that's now for a younger generation - and sadly it's the same ole fundamentalism they're up against.  Having a mini giggle, whudda thunk I'd be agreeing with John Dean.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited June 2013

    Notself, I am so happy to see you! Welcome home! We have missed you - I have especially missed your calm voice. I'm also happy to hear of your brother's successful surgery and his excellent prognosis.



    Father's Day. My parents divorced when I was 10 and my father absented himself from our lives (he was an alcoholic and didn't pay child support or visit us). I saw him a handful of times through the years - he died of liver cancer 5 days before my 22nd birthday (I was there). I always celebrated Father's Day by giving my mother gifts and thanking her for being both a mother and a father. I miss my mom today, as every day. My sister, too.



    Syria. Like many of us, I am torn. I remain furious that the Cheney Administration so destabilized the Middle East by removing Iraq as a counterweight to Iran that we have this widening and dangerous conflict. Heckuva job, Georgie and Dickie. (For those who ask how long we will blame the Cheney administration for these bad things, the answer is FOREVER - because their greed has changed the balance of power for the worse and caused great damage to our economy, our political system, and the world's interaction with and perception of us). That aside, I would like to find some way for us to help end the slaughter of civilians without creating another Taliban or arming al Quaeda affiliates or fellow-travekers or Iranian opportunists. I don't know how to do that.



    I am still delighted with retirement - and waiting for it to stop feeling like vacation. It is a pleasant feeling!



    L

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    What HL said about the Middle East.  Double.  Triple.  I think the NeoCons really thought they would "win" and dominate the OIL SUPPLY for generations.  Short sided, selfish, stooooooopid, buncha other thoughts not worth printing.  Did I say, stupid???

    But it IS interesting to note how many tyrannical "leaders" were friends of the USA over the years.  Shall we discuss Latin America nextSurprised  Naw, just can't get over how much I miss Howard Zinn.  Tho' Bill Moyers is doing some pretty fine commentary lately.  Back to my crossword puzzle...

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited June 2013

    Notself - 20 hours of surgery.  So glad your brother is doing well after that, and cancer free.  Welcome back. 

    Interesting to hear the lovely sentiments about Father's day.

    I'm working on 10 months of hormone blockers and besides the aches and pains, I have hair thinning in the same areas as a man (it runs in the family I guess).  Luckily my hair is curly and somewhat covers it up, but it still bothers me to see my scalp when my hair is wet.  Does this get better too when you're finally off the drug??

    No good can come of going into Syria.  It's like pouring gasoline on a burning fire, imho.  How long does it take for the United States to figure out this is how we get ourselves into a ground war we never planned on.   How are we going to get arms to the right crowd?   Like we know how to control weapons in our own country.  Admittedly, this is my knee jerk reaction, but I'm tired of us draining our resources to be the world's policeman.  Tired of war.

    HL - it only gets better!!  After 5 months, I'm filling my life with new activities - things I choose to do.  I love my new painting class.  My gf's husband retired a few months before me.  He was a trauma surgeon.  She gave me this vision of him waking up each morning and going "Yes! [I can get up when I want and do whatever I want today, for yet another day. Laughing]"

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited June 2013

    HL - well put, nevertheless, I think we have to do something.  I just hope that we can help the civilians being massacred without creating a worse long term problem.

    I think Clinton has been haunted by the spectacle of doing nothing in Rwanda - as well he should.  

    Sun - good point.  WE have a bad history of supporting tyrants who support us - which is why we are so distrusted throughout the third world.   I also like Bill Moyers.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited June 2013

    Love the uh reality in these silly things !!!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited June 2013

    and another of those !!!!!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited June 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited June 2013
  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited June 2013

    Sandy, I agree that we cannot stand by and allow the slaughter to continue without trying to stop it. I worked in the State Department during the first massacres in Rwanda and Burundi. We are all haunted, even if we had no power to do something. I just don't know what our realistic options are - I have been away from that life for too long.



    Kam, it has gotten better every day. It is such a novel feeling to feel RESTED. And if I wake up in the night, it's OK - because I can sleep as late as I need to the next day! As much as I loved my occupation, I DO NOT miss my workplace one iota. You know, throughout all the goodbyes and my retirement party and even the last day - I never shed a tear. Not once. I couldn't wait to be gone - and I never thought I could feel that way. I am relieved that it was time!



    L

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited June 2013

    Good one, Neil!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited June 2013

    Shouting out to Athena!!

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  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited June 2013

    The researchers told me that Tykerb can cause hair loss though it's not the most common side effect.  Lucky me, I win the side effects lottery again!  :-)

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited June 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited June 2013
  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited June 2013

    I totally relate E.  Hair loss is a total bummer except for the few that have the perfect head and facial features - maybe you are one of those??!!!  While I'll take the hair I've got now, after chemo, apparently these stupid hormone blockers want to make me look like a bald man.  When I get to the comb over stage, like a friend of mine, not sure what I will do.  I also won the permanent neuropathy lottery.

    That is good news about the deficit.  It reminds me of all those naysayers saying we need to run our federal budget like a household budget.  Two different beasts.  We need the government to spend stimulative money when the country's economy is in the tank, regardless of any balance sheet.  If we had spent more, we might be further out of this hole that GW guy dug for us.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited June 2013
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited June 2013

    E -- I'm so sorry about the hair loss; not fair, not fairYell.

    Kam -- After chemo, my hair was SO slow to grow back.  I started taking Femara a month after the last tx, and I'm positive that's what caused only about 70% of it to actually grow back.  it's so thin on the crown, and baldness does not run in my family - either side.  My brother who is 8 years older has a full head of auburn hair and you need a magnifier to discern the gray ones!

    Anyhow, I'm now off Femara and taking 10,000 mcg of Biotin to see if that will encourage more growth.  Too early to tell.

    As for running the government like you run your household:  honestly, those folks need to study macro-economics along with government economic policy.  I guess they think everything can be brought down to the smallest common denominator for folks to understand.  And they would be (and are) the first ones to holler for government monies when environmental disasters like tornadoes and hurricanes and forest fires do billions of dollars' worth of damage to their towns and their livelihoods.  Or when their bridges collapse.....gaaaaaah!

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