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  • LuvLuLu
    LuvLuLu Member Posts: 377
    edited November 2012

    5:00 AM ran 8 miles with my running partner.  Getting cool out there - 30 degrees and breezy - but the sun starting to rise at the end of the run makes it worth it.  You know how that goes - you think you're gonna be cold but after the first mile or so you're nice and comfy and happy to be breathing the air outside! 

    Happy Friday, runners!! Laughing

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited November 2012

    Thanks for the training recommendations everyone!  I'd actually stumbled across the Galloway training website in my searches and it looked like it'd be good for me, but I wasn't sure.  Obviously I was on the right track!

    I have a new race to add to the list - I just registered for the Jingle All the Way 8K in DC on December 9th.  Nice flat course running past the Capitol, the National Mall and all the museums, etc. - should be inspiring!

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited November 2012

    Yeah, NatsFan, from one unreal runner to another!

    Adey...it's great to hear you are on track!

    Firstcall...you are inspiring.  I still can't wrap my head around a marathon.  It is so...overwhelming.  Congratulations on your first post chemo marathon.  That is one heck of an accomplishment, at any speed.

    I am signed up for a 5K jingle jog on 12/9.  My goal is to break 26:30.  I think I can do it...  It is just a little side goal.  My real goal right now is to run the hilly hilly half marathon in March...in any time at all!  ;)

  • LuvLuLu
    LuvLuLu Member Posts: 377
    edited November 2012

    Ran 8 miles this morning, then shoulders and stretch at the gym.  Tired legs.  Tomorrow will be a rest day.

    Enjoy the weekend, all!

  • kks_rd
    kks_rd Member Posts: 363
    edited November 2012

    Hi all! It's been good to catch up on what I missed. Happy to report that I did a route today that I'd last done in late spring - about 9.5 miles to the lakeshore and back, including this one killer hill.  When I went to log it on mapmyrun, I saw that I'd taken a full five minutes off my time.  I know it's because I ran more of it (possibly faster) and took fewer walk breaks.  I also know it's because I'm feeling so much better than I did back then (2-3 months after completing treatment).  So for those of you who are struggling with your runs post-tx, please know it does get easier. :)

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2012

    The Wine and Dine Half at Walt Disney World was a GREAT course. I highly recommend it for those looking for a nice late-Fall run. Warm enough this week to run in a tank top --  xoxo Florida !

    Started at ESPN Wide World of Sports complex and the first couple of miles were basically highway but it was 10 pm so dark is dark and the first 5K is always hard for me to enjoy. However, soon enough we were in Disney's Animal Kingdom and ran quite a ways through the park, then back out to the road to Disney's Hollywood Studios and again a lot of onstage and backstage time, and then along the Boardwalk to Epcot where we just cut through on the way to the finish line in the parking lot, then back into Epcot for the after party of food and wine. Got to bed at 4am! 

    My personal saga of stress fracture since July meant I had run only the 5K Run for the Cure since June. I had walked a 15K event with the air cast boot on. I had biked at the gym. No running. However I decided to run as slow as needed and walk as often as I wanted - none of the "make it to that lamppost" head tricks this time. I ran about 15 minutes, then went sort of 50:50 the rest of the way. I found myself running when the Cast Members were there cheering etc and I still had some running in the tank at the end. Not even my personal worst time, but still wish I could have shaved off a minute: I ended at 3:00:39 (including a bathroom break at Animal Kingdom --my #1 love about runDisney is legit bathrooms). Just muscle fatigue, no injuries, and not even a peep out of the fracture site. May be able to get back to training once I recover from this. :-))

  • LuvLuLu
    LuvLuLu Member Posts: 377
    edited November 2012

    Goldlining, that sounds so fun!  I don't do many races and when I do I usually stay close to home.  The half was always my favorite distance.  I'm considering one in the spring.

    Ran 20 minutes on the treadmill this morning - HIIT - a short but killer workout.  I much prefer longer, slower distances outside but today was "speedwork" day.  Then I did back and tris in the gym.

    Looks like a mild next couple of days here in the Boston area - close to 70 today and tomorrow!  Will enjoy that, we won't be getting many more.

    Happy Monday, all, thank a Veteran . . .

  • Spinnerpom
    Spinnerpom Member Posts: 106
    edited November 2012

    Really glad I found this thread and wish I had found it sooner. 

    I'm a runner, swimmer and biker and have returned to the swimming and biking quite easily after surgery and radiation, but the tamoxifen (affectionately known as tamoxif**k in my household) is wreaking havoc with my running. I did my first half marathon while taking this nasty drug a few weeks ago and it was awful. I had such horrible muscle cramps starting around mile 10 that I actuallyhobbled across the finish line at exactly the three hour mark.

    I just bought some compression socks and I hope those will help. I had even stopped the tamoxifen 3 weeks prior to the race.  Ugh. HELP!

  • firstcall
    firstcall Member Posts: 499
    edited November 2012

    spinnerpom - Are you sure its the tamoxifen?  and you said that you stopped it three weeks before your run, and still had the cramps?   I doubt it was the tamoxifen.  I think you need to consider other factors.  I'm on tamoxifen, and I've run two halfs, and just ran a whole with it, and I took it every day, including race days.  My half time was comparable with my pre BC times, but my whole was slower.....but I think it was because I didnt do any long runs, not the tamoxifen.  I do run with compression hose, which I think is helpful.  A few moths ago I read that a Boston Red Sox player was banned 50 games for using Tamoxifen!  Its on the list of banned performance enhancing drugs.  Chemo is what I blame for my woes....not tamoxifen.  But I'm guessing you didnt do chemo.  So....my suggestion....keep taking the Tamoxifen.  It is very important with regards to preventing recurrence.  And keep running!   And swimming and biking too.  And keep posting and letting us know how you're doing.

  • Spinnerpom
    Spinnerpom Member Posts: 106
    edited November 2012

    My onc said it could have been the tamoxifen.  It takes a really long time to get out of your system. I was still having all the other side effects (hot flashes, twitching muscles, ankle swelling) after three weeks.  But I suppose it could ahve been something else, although I have NEVER cramped up in my life!! Even in really hot weather (and this was a cool day).  I am pretty sure I was adequately trained and hydrated, but who knows!

    I have a 10K coming up...that distance is pretty easy for me so I don't think I'l have a problem. My next half won't be until April. Thanks for the kind words.  

    Actually, while tamoxifen encourages production of testosterone (in men only) it's more commonly used by athletes and body builders who use steroids, in order to counteract the gynecomastia (man-boobs) that come with using steroids. Go figure, someone would intentionally take this stuff.  Seriously?

    http://www.wisegeek.com/how-effective-is-tamoxifen-for-gynecomastia.htm

  • LuvLuLu
    LuvLuLu Member Posts: 377
    edited November 2012

    8 mile run this morning felt great in the "heat" - it was 65 degrees at 5:00 AM but rain coming in and getting colder later.

    Hope to get a hot yoga class in if I can sneak out of work early today.

    Happy running, all . . .

  • eulabt
    eulabt Member Posts: 194
    edited November 2012

    Spinnerpom-

     I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Tamoxifen. I was only on it for 7 months and it really caused so many issues for me. It took months to get out of my system. I have a really hard time with any medications, so it took me longer than most. Good luck:)

  • Spinnerpom
    Spinnerpom Member Posts: 106
    edited November 2012

    eulabt, did you stop taking it?

  • ymac16
    ymac16 Member Posts: 138
    edited November 2012

    Hello all, haven't checked In for a while as I've had to put my running on hiatus for the time being. Just had my DIEP Flap reconstruction last Friday so out of commission for at least 6 weeks. Will going for walks in a couple of days hopefully. Wanted dot check in to see how folks are doing and get motivation/inspiration that I WILL be running agian in the new year. :)



    Spinnermom, I've been on Tamoxifen since July and I had no problems running will on it. Like Firstcall, I put the blame on my slowness and other aches a pains more on the chemo, than the subsequent meds. I think the meds had some impact at the beginning but my body adjusted. As I continued running post chemo, I got to the point were I was running faster and longer and i had no aches and pains, all the while still on the Tamoxifen. I know the med affects people in different ways, but it's so important to help prevent recurrence. Just be sure to do what the doctor guides you to do!

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited November 2012

    3 mile run this morning - it was 40 degrees but sunny.  I was wearing just running shorts and a t-shirt, but with the permanent hot flashes I get from letrozole, 40 degrees is a perfect running temperature for me.  Tongue Out  

    Just signed up for a 5K Turkey Trot in Hagerstown, Maryland on Thanksgiving morning, November 22.

  • LuvLuLu
    LuvLuLu Member Posts: 377
    edited November 2012

    AAaaw, I miss running in shorts.

    Friday workout was 20 min. treadmill running, HIIT, something I consider a necessary evil!  Followed it up w/a leg workout and final stretch.  Tomorrow will be a "rest" day, with a comfortable walk in the morning.

    TGIF!

  • marie11
    marie11 Member Posts: 75
    edited November 2012

    It was for the best (for me) that NYC was canceled.  My foot was still bothering me and I hadn't done enough training.  I was gonna run it anyhow and just limp through but fortunately I didn't have to. 

    Not entirely sure what is gonna be on the agenda for next year.  I think I am gonna shoot for a late May marathon and then will run a half or a 10 miler a few weeks before.  End of April half in DC sounds interesting.  Considering the Cherry Blossem but hard to get into.  For now a local jingle bell jog Dec. 9th.  Finally starting to get some speed back and will shoot to break 25 min if the weather is good.

    To the runner who asked how to train for a half.  Don't buy any special program.  There is a ton of free stuff out there.  There are programs from 12 to 20 weeks.  Just pick one that fits with you.  If the goal is to finish only then don't worry about doing any speed work.  Don't add more than 10% any week to your milage.  You can be confident that if you can run 10 miles you can finish a half.  Most important, listen to your body, if you are tired slow down or skip that day.  Then you wont get hurt.

  • LovesDogs
    LovesDogs Member Posts: 95
    edited November 2012

    Hi all,

    I'm new to this thread.  I've been running for a little over a year - I was diagnosed with BC a few months after starting.  I managed to continue exercising and running after surgeries and through chemo and radiation and it was my psychological saving grace!   

    I was wondering if anyone could share their experience with resuming running and exercise after doing exchange surgery of tissue expanders to permanent implants?  What restrictions did your PS recommend?

    LovesDogs

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2012

    The list of upcoming runs is getting shorter as we get down to the last days of 2012 and cold weather for a lot of us. I was going to run today, first outing post-Half, but ended up working 12 hours on my application for promotion at work. (A status/rank thing, not a job change.) I was eyeing the Running Room "Resolution Run" that they do across Canada about New Years (date varies by city). A 5K, not timed, but the loot bag includes a pretty nice jacket. Gotta try on the jacket for size before I register online but price goes up Dec 1 so look for me to get off the fence this week!

  • LuvLuLu
    LuvLuLu Member Posts: 377
    edited November 2012

    LovesDogs, you know running is the best to get those endorphins pumping!!!  Can't advise you about running after exchange surgery, my situation was different, but just know you WILL be back out there.  My surgery was in July and my goal was to be back to my pre-surgery routine by Thanksgiving, and I made it weeks earlier!  My exercise routine involves running, weights, yoga and horseback riding.  I found the yoga the hardest to get back because it involves so much core.

    Keep the faith, you will get it all back.  Just be sure to really, really listen to your body and ease back into everything.

    Have a good day, all!

  • kks_rd
    kks_rd Member Posts: 363
    edited November 2012

    Agreed, goldlining! 

    It feels a bit strange to no longer have a "next" race on the calendar.  Some of the people I ran the marathon relay with were talking about the Lake Effect Half Marathon on February 24th.  Not sure if I'll be able to train consistently over the next few months, especially since I still have a heel that's bugging me.  So I'm torn between planning additional races or perhaps focusing on cross-training over the winter.  I've started experimenting with swimming since my new gym (with a lap pool) has opened.  There's a run/bike/run duathalon in the spring that I'm considering too.  In any case, I want to maintain a good running base, maybe 15 miles/week, give or take a bit. 

    Decisions, decisions!  Last winter I was in rads so it is nice to contemplate what I can do, rather than feel frustrated by what I can't do...

  • SueHyun
    SueHyun Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2012

    I have been running nonstop through the breast cancer diagnosis 4 years ago.  But am having severe trouble getting oxygen, as of this year.   Now I can't even run more than a mile without stopping to catch my breath.  I had a normal lung CAT scan this summer.  THe internist checked my lung capacity and said it was normal.  But I never had my lung capacity measured before so I dont' know how much it's dropped from what it used to be.  Has anyone else had shortness of breath that is just getting worse and worse 3-4 years after radiation treatment?  

  • eulabt
    eulabt Member Posts: 194
    edited November 2012

    Spinnerpom- I stopped a year ago and have not looked back. It was just too much for me. The se's were not worth it in my case.

  • firstcall
    firstcall Member Posts: 499
    edited November 2012

    Welcome LovesDogs....

    yes, the calendar is getting shorter.   Its time to sign up for things.  

    I was going to run a marathon yesterday, but ended up delivering a baby instead.  There will be other marathons. 

    I hope everyone is doing well.....keep running. 

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2012

    SueHyun, I had sort of a similar thing - but no rads or chemo. I went scorched earth into surgery while still DCIS, and had a lot of anaesthesia. With not a shred of science to back me up, I felt that there were lingering effects of all that anaesthesia on my cardio-respiratory performance for months and months after surgery. My heart rate was higher at a slower running pace. My running heart rate is like the exercise max of a person half my age, which concerns me, but doesn't seem to get a rise out of any of the physicians I have asked about it. Being the non-competitive person I am, I would slow down to match my heart rate, but if I had kept up my pace, I would have ended up like you, stopping to catch breath (or maybe in the back of an ambulance...) But maybe it's not anaesthesia - maybe it's some other healing process that is stealing from the reserves we use to run. I am just coming up on 1 year since the last surgery so have been hoping it would go away in time. Hope not to have it worsening in 3 years.

  • LuvLuLu
    LuvLuLu Member Posts: 377
    edited November 2012

    Interesting to read about the shortness of breath.  I've been attributing it to age and trying to keep up with a younger running partner, but who knows what effects anesthesia and surgery have had?  I also find myself short of breath when there is a sharp drop in temperature and I'm just not acclimated.

    Nice 8 mile run this morning, I was actually comfortable because my running partner had tired legs and was going a bit slower.

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited November 2012

    I entered the drawing for the Nike Women's Half in DC in April - I'm in it for the Tiffany bling!  Should be hearing in a week or so whether I made it or not.  If I get in I've got some serious work to do this winter.  Marie - thanks for the encouraging words and training advice.

    The Turkey Trot was fun - it was dog friendly so we entered Mikey, our miniature pinscher, as well.  He was so cute trotting along that a local TV station featured him in their coverage of the race!   Cool

  • SueHyun
    SueHyun Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2012

    Goldlining if I wasn't running with people I wouldn't have really noticed it.  But I run with normal, healthy, non cancerous people, and I can't believe what they can do.  They can go out of the house and run a half marathon.  I can't exhale deeply.  I take an aleve every day and it helps so I can run slowly.  If I don't take an aleve, I couldn't run at all.  I think I should just keep running and hoping to gain additional lung capacity.  I was hoping I'd get some asthma medication but my GP wants me to come back in two weeks.  People don't believe how sick I am.  

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2012

    Oh asthma medication - I do that also. I use the orange flovent when I have a cold (as I do now) or during certain pollen seasons as a preventer, otherwise I find the lungs get away from me. I don't use it day in and day out because I don't see the need for chronic steriods. I use the blue ventolin if I have an issue with itchy airway or difficulty breathing (almost never) or before running, because the cold or exercise can make my airways act up. It has always been very beneficial for my breathing. Ventolin can raise heart rate but I have always used it before running so that hasn't changed. I will say that my asthma became MUCH more controlled when I took up running. 

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited November 2012

    Hey, firstcall...please add in my December 9 5k Jingle Jog...:)

    I hope you all are well!

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