Starting Chemo July 2012
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Mastetomy. With new growth during chemo lumpectomy seems to be out....
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Need some info from those who have had mastectomy without reconstruction. While i am a nurse--NOT an adult nurse. My speciality is women, pediatrics, and psych. Adults need to have something living coming out of their bodies or be institutionalized!
My surgeon's office has info as does the cancer center--but am turning to the experts
Not a candidate for reconstruction at this time. So-post-op mastectomy. Recovery time? What to wear after? How long do drains remain? Exercises? Driving? Any advice/tips will be appreciated. Bras? Victoria's secret with a sock in the empty side? Pain management? thanks.
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stride - great news on the path report. Not having to do readiation is a definite plus
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susanhg - Since I'm very small breasted, I wear a workout bra with a "knitted Knocker" (look it up on the web) to fill in the empty spot. Just after the mastectomy, the bandage was SO BIG that I just wore a baggy t-shirt. surgeon gave me a waist pack to hold the drains and I only had to have them for a couple of weeks (maybe less....it's been 5 months ago).
L'm not getting reconstruction, and may just stick with the knitted knocker instead of getting a prosthesis. I've heard that it's difficult to find one small enough.
I'm 3 weeks post chemo - expected to be celebrating. But, although the lymphedema in the right arm is responding, and I have a lovely sleeve and glove to wear, (a little sarcasm there), the legs, ankles, and feet are still so swollen and painful that it's very hard to walk, and that's depressing. The therapist said the lymph system got so upset at the continued chemo that it just quit working.
I thought I'd had every SE from chemo except nausea. This was a surprise.
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Eyelash Revelations
8 weeks post final chemo, most of my eyelashes are gone but I spotted some new fuzz at the edge of my eyelids, so I got out the mascara wand Sunday morning to see if I could get some mascara on the new fluff without actually inserting the mascara wand into my eye....
And voila! I have eyelashes like Morse Code -- a few dashes and lots of dots.
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Hi ladies. NatL, that swelling does sound depressing. I hope it will improve over time. Virginiab, yay for eyelashes! SusanHG if you haven't already found it, there's a surgery forum here that would probably have tons of advice for you.
I got great news today. Consulted with the BS to check my mid-chemo MRI results and she said it's shrunk enough that she can do lumpectomy and sentinal node biopsy! I'm really glad.
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Congratulations, Ann!
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Hi Nat- you may find the legs and ankles take a while to settle down. I still have slightly swollen feet an ankles, and pitting oedema in my fingers. I am 6 weeks post chemo now and when I mentioned it to my oncologist, she said it was still very early days, but that it would get better.
Life - hope you had a great party. I loved your blog by the way - you write beautifully
Susan - there is a thread on here for BC sufferers who have not had reconstruction. I am sure they will be able to help you. I have read your recovery time post surgery will be quicker- no consolation I know- but still nice to hear. I had reconstruction with TE's, but I should imagine the period of time for drains should be similar. The time period depends on your bleeding. I had 3 drains. One came out after 2 days, one came out on the third day, and one drain would not stop bleeding!! That one took 6 days. My physio gave me a waterproof draw string bag for the drains. It was great, as I could put all three of them inside the bag, and lay it on the mattress next to me. It was also great for showering, as I could just wipe it off afterwards, and when I went for a walk around the hospital I carried it like a handbag.
MY BS was very particular about driving post surgery, and he said no driving for 6 weeks, although some surgeons say 4 weeks. I was given a booklet by Macmillan cancer support on exercise post surgery to prevent cording and a frozen shoulder. They suggested you do these one day after surgery, or the same day if you could manage it. Your hospital should have a section with breast cancer pamphlets. You will find them in there.
Ann - I am so thrilled with your good news. Congratulations!!!
Virginiab - great news about the new eyelashes. Maybe we should mention this new morse code to the CIA and MI6. I am now 6 weeks post chemo - I still had a few eyelashes and eyebrows- but my eyelashes and eyebrows still seem to be coming out. Did this happen to you? I was hoping I wouldn't lose them completely now I have stopped chemo.
Roadwarrior - I remember you also had trouble with one foot during chemo. The pain has gone completely now, but I seem to get a lot of cramp in that foot. I am usually not a person who gets cramp. Have you found the same thing?
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Susan - I'm sending lots of prayers your way. I don't have a lot of advice for mastectomy technical matters, this is what I would offer for personal comfort:
1. Comfortable jammies - my MIL bought me new jammies, button in front. Super comfortable. There were also little pockets on pj top, so my drains could fit in the pockets. She also gave me a couple of lightweight robes. Plan on lots of rest, so hence the jammies. Also nice to have a comfortable spock suit (my name for sweat suit), velour?, something to lounge around in during the holidays.
2. Lingerie - I was going to write VS a letter, because if any company should have a bc dept., VS would make sense. I had a hard time feeling comfortable w/ new lingerie, because after the bmx I had a real desire to feel pretty. Prior to bc, I was very practical with lingerie, beige and black. My 17 yr old daughter has more lace and frill than I. But, when I looked at my bandages, I just wanted to cover everything up with color and lace. I couldn't find anything that looked pretty and would accomodate my new body. I started with immediate reconstruction. Prior to chemo I had to have the left side removed because of infection. At first, I bought things at VS and fixed it for me. But Nordstrom has a bc prosthesis program, with a full line of products and/or transforming any piece of lingerie to fit our needs. I don't live near a Nordstrom, but all the shipping is free and the pricing great, well worth it. If you don't have a store near you, they can work with you over the phone. Since I have re-reconstruction in the new year, I will be refitting again.
3. Looking back - less is more - the more rest you give yourself, the better off you will be in the long run. There is major healing going on deep inside and even if you feel like you can make a bed, fold clothes, put dishes away, drive, don't do anything you don't have to do. Take all the help that is offered.
There is probably more, but we'll all be here for you!
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Maddie 57--
I finished chemo with only a few obvious "holes" in the line of my eyelashes, but they kept falling out for about 6 weeks. My eyebrows also got extremely sparse. My brows were already so light as to be almost invisible, so I would have to do contortions in the mirror to get them backlit enough to see if they were still there.
Now I have peach fuzz type very short and light colored hairs growing in both places, so it seems that help is on the way. I hope your lashes grow back is quickly!
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Tellballmom and whaevah....
Congratulations we are PFC. I actually had my chemo yesterday and port removal this morning.....I wish you both love and a happy turkey day... -
Madelyn: congratulations! I will still have Herceptin through at least Aug 2013 and will see the radiology ONC this Friday. When do you see the radiologist?
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Madelyn,
I finished yesterday as well. We made it! I have deport envy... my appt is Dec 5, looking SO forward !
congrats teeballmom.
I am mapped and tattooed and ready for rads, I have a couple of weeks off , yay! Not sure of the start date but I will be notified withing 2 weeks. Let the tanning begin !(at least I hope that is all it will be, no burns please) See you grads on the rads thread!
Best wishes to all who are struggling , nothing about BC is easy.
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Congrats Madelyn and teeballmom!!!
Susan - I had the tissue expander placed so I'm not sure how much advice I can offer. I agree, comfy button down pjs are important. Then, lots of rest. They will give you pain meds and tell you to take them before the pain gets too bad. The doctor should provide you with exercises to perform so that your shoulders do not lock/muscles get too tight. I did not drive for 5 weeks. Finally, I'm sending a big HUG to you.
I returned to work this week - thank goodness for 4 day weekends - I am exhausted. What a welcome back I received though! The students tied ribbons in the fence that spelled out my name with a heart, my classroom finally got painted (after 3 years of requests) and hubby sent me flowers at work (never happened in the 10 years I've been there).
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone - I am very grateful to have all of you in my life!
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Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. I hope everyone gets to have first servings to stuffing and gravy and no one has to do the dishes. I hope that when all your family and friends tell you how great you look and it's almost over, you can remember that you do look great, you are stronger than anyone in the room and you have gone through many months of something that you know how difficult a road it has been. Our lives are forever changed, good, bad or indifferent - we all have been in the trenches and we have battles ahead....slowly but surely we will get through this. The pain I have felt, I have really only shared with you, strangers, because it's too hard to break down to friends and family that want me to be better and strong. Maybe in the new year some of us can make a time to meet in person, put faces with our stories - stories and people that I am thankful for. Love and strength to all. - Carla
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Mamabr - Well put. Happy Thanksgiving to all!
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My wishes for a happy Thanksgiving to each. Carla-i so agree. I would very much like to meet someplace--next July--for a giant group hug, a drink (or four), laughter, tears, and talk with the women who have helped me in ways no one else. I turn here first.
I put on the brave mom face when talking about "new areas of concern" never saying the nasty word new malignancy while on chemo. I can tell you I watched 2 videos of mastectomies. As a nurse I spent minimal time in the OR and have never viewed one. I can tell you the MO told me today I am @ least 2 years from discussion of reconstruction. And he has not seen "new areas of concern" while on chemo. And that maybe it is a "washed out area" with both of us knowing it is a malignancy. Times 3 new ones.
I can talk here about my anger, horror, and embarrassment @ my %*^&^ walking out the day my port was placed. Yes, he was a breast man. But seriously. Dating while I was undergoing diagnostics with an active match.com site.
No chemo until about January 9th. No neupogen. No weekly labs. But the big surgery. Found the Knitted knockers site. Ordered one. Found another site where can purchase-or donate funds in exchange. Contacted Victoria's Secret couple months ago. Explained long time shopper with three daughters who are shoppers. There is a market for those who cannot have reconstruction and want pretty bras. They do sell a weight of sorts but said would be looking into a new line.
Our lives will be forever before and after breast cancer. My life has been enriched by the women in the July 2012 group.
shg
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Hi Ladies - Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
Congratulations Madelyn and whaever!!! Another big goal accomplished.
mambr - what lovely words and sentiments - I actually had a tear in my eye. I would also like to say how wonderful you all have been, and a real port in a storm for me.
emilybrooke - I was also finished my first week at work. The second week was a bit better, and I'll let you know about the third week!! You must be a fabulous teacher to get such a warm welcome.
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Still following this thread to cheer on those who are crossing the chemo finish line. Congratulations Madelyn, Whaevah and teeballmom!!
I know the big question on your mind is WHEN WILL I HAVE HAIR AGAIN?? (I know it was mine LOL) My mom sees me every weekend and always comments "I can't believe how fast your hair is coming back!" It's 11 1/2 weeks pfc for me and my head is pretty well covered now. I stopped wearing anything about 2 weeks ago only because it seemed no matter what I wore, it irritated me. I had a lot of little red bumps at the nape of my neck and I no matter what I wore, it rubbed over them so I decided I was going to start going topless. My eyebrows and eyelashes did thin about at about the 6 week mark, but they came back quickly.
Hang in there and remember to give your body a lot of rest. Chemo may be over, but the effects are lingering. -
Happy Thanksgiving July chemo sisters!
Susan, wishing you strength to get through the new challenges. I'm so sorry this happened.
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Hi PA Eagles - thanks for the hair update. I was very interested to see you also had red bumps. I am getting small sores, because my scalp is sooo itchy, even though I am putting oil on it. I can't resist scratching- I try and try not to scratch and then I just have to, and the relief is blissful. I feel like Baloo the bear in Jungle Book- I'm sure you remember the song "Bare Necessities"!!
A friend sent me this, and it is our hair growth in a nut shell, and what we can realistically expect-
Chemo has an effect on the hair as the 2 fastest growing cell actions in the body are the growth of the cancer and growth of the hair and as the chemo has the greatest impact on the fastest growing cells, the hair is automaically affected by the treatment as is the cancer. Consequently the hair falls out from the bulbous follicle at it's source. Naturally this is the furthest depth of the hair in the skin and when it starts growing it has to start again from this point. Therefore it can take about 6-8 weeks to appear on the surface. After this, it will grow at just over 1 cm per month, so within a couple of months, i.e. at about 3 - 4 months in total, there should be a very noticeable covering.
I have bought some Revitalash to encourage my eyelashes. I will let you know if it was worth the money, as it is pretty expensive. One of the reviews however was from a chemo sufferer, and she said it was great. It takes a few weeks for the effects to be noticeable. The back of the box advises you not use it unless you have finished chemo therapy.
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The best part of turkey day is the weekend, leftovers and r&r. I am sittting crocheting and watching football. Just with the kids, hubby and dog....couldn't be happier. Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend.
Nice to have the hair information. I'd say I have about 1/8 in. of hair and I can see small hairs on face and arms, so on its way back. I still have 3 more treatments left, so it won't be long for a short, stylish hairdo. I'm 46 and most of the new hair is grey.
Take care!
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I have 2 appointments this week...one on Tuesday for mapping with RO and a hairdresser to price out extensions....hahaha! My hair is coming in but the eyebrows/lashes are another story!
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Carla,
I could really relate to your post. I start A/C on Monday. Already did Taxol and Cisplatin. How was the A/C ? I have heard horor stories about it. I am really scared. Marianne
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Marianne, I can understand why you're scared if you read all of the posts from people who have had A/C or some version thereof. Just remember that nobody gets all of the side effects. But with all of the people on these discussion boards, you will always find someone who had a particular SE and will be able to relate if you have that experience. It's not a picnic, but we all get through it.
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One other thing, and I'm wondering if anybody else relates to this: I no longer remember what some of the worst chemo days felt like. Anybody else know what I'm talking about? It felt awful at the time, but it does not seem so bad in hindsight.
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Marianne - I think people's experience with AC runs the full gamut from no SEs to every SE imaginable. Just take it 1 day at a time, listen to your body and let others take care of you if possible. I honestly didn't think it was that bad. Although I had most SEs listed, they were very mild and tolerable. I worked the whole time.
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If you could work through it it , I can do it. I am not working. I had a really hard time the last few weeks with Taxol and I hear Taxol is usually a breeze, so I was really nervous about A/C. Thanks so much for your posts. Marianne
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Marianne - if this helps, here's the SEs I had: bone pain (although I'm not sure if this was from AC or Neulasta shot), nausea/vomiting (only twice through 4 sessions), slight fatigue the first few days, hair loss (after 2nd session), sore throat periodically, mucus in throat, sore tongue for a few days (if that makes sense, basically it felt like little cuts all over my tongue).
The night after 1st session was the roughest because my body was not used to it, but after that it was fairly easy. I did get some hives on my arm during the injection itself, but they were easily addressed with Benadryl.
My recommendation is to take the anti-nausea pills your MO gives you right away when you get home. The first time I had AC I figured I'd wait and see, and that was 1 of the 2 times I actually got nauseous. It's best to stay ahead of the SEs. I only needed the anti-nausia pills for a day or two after each session.
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Stride--yes. The whole experience is starting to fade into "just a bad dream" for me now that active treatments have all ended. I'm sure the fear of recurrence will rear its ugly head from time to time and I will dread mammogram day but trying to focus on the positives and move on.
Madelyn--be careful about the extensions, you don't want to do anything to hurt your new growth. Mine is very soft and fine, like baby hair. Hubby's is growing back nicely too.. But feels so different from mine.
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