I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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Enjoy your morning!



L

Beesie - I'm sorry but so many of your facts are just wrong. Romney does NOT have a detailed plan. Just because a policy works in Canada, in your view, doesn't mean the same thing is being floated here.

Beesie, what's with the scolding? I believe we all are PAINFULLY aware of what is at stake in this election! It's not just healthcare, it's not just women, it's not just jobs. To me, it's all wrapped up in the Supreme Court. THAT is what will be effecting us for the rest of our lives, long after this next president is gone. Romney as leader of the world? That bully who doesn't have a diplomatic bone in his body? Who European leaders already cannot stand? Who has Bush's team of warmongers on his side?

Please don't lecture us for having a little fun and levity.

Hillary supporters who dislike the President on her behalf may be overlooking some important points. After the rough-and-tumble of the election, the Democratic party came together to work for the common good of this country. (Too bad the Republicans refused - just think how much further along our recovery would be had they not blocked it at every turn.)



President Obama asked Hillary to take on one of the most difficult and one of the most important jobs in his administration -- and she accepted. That says a lot about her spirit of public service, her dedication to her country, and her willingness to let bygones be bygones. It also says a lot about the respect that President Obama has for her -- professionally as well as personally. And there is no cutting her out or sidelining her in this administration. She is a key player, of equal stature with the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of the Treasury -- three critical cabinet departments that were and are essential to the repair of the devastation wrought by the Bush Administration both at home and abroad. Secretary Clinton had to mend fences around the world, repairing America's tarnished public image as well as our tattered diplomatic relations with allies, neutrals and potential enemies. She has done so with the full support of the President and the White House, and has done a brilliant job. The President refused in the debate to let her take the fall for Libya, even though she tried -- and even though she was correct in her characterization that the kinds of decisions that are made on security issues never make it to the White House (what do you think, people -- that the President sits down and plays "Embassyville" at his computer?). The Benghazi tragedy is a completely manufactured controversy, manufactured by desperate Republicans who will endanger other Americans, trash the State Department, smear the dead and use their bodies as flagpoles, all to unseat the black guy in the White House (and yes, I do believe that racism is a large factor in this ... No other president EVER has been portrayed in such a racist manner or talked about in terms of racial slurs. Nobody ever portrayed Bush or Reagan in racist pictures or talked about that "honky" or "white trash").



So hating the President on Hillary's behalf is something she herself would abhor. She has given her support and her friendship to the President. She is not holding a grudge -- she is holding a vastly important position in his administration and has made exceptional contributions to the security of our country in a very difficult and changing world, with the President's full confidence and support.



And as far as the choice between Romney and the President is concerned, there is no choice. On the one hand you have a pair of conservatives who would destroy everything that the Obama Administration has repaired or built over the last four years. President Obama became president of a country teetering on the verge of ruin. The economy was in shambles because of the rapacious policies of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their cohorts of greedy Wall Street cronies (and yes, I am disappointed that they haven't been prosecuted and stronger reforms instituted, but I can't have everything I want). In the last four years, he has withdrawn us from Iraq (a war that we were lied into with a country that never did anything to us), killed the man who was responsible for September 11 (for whom we went to war with Afghanistan more than a decade ago), enacted economic policies in the face of unrelenting, unyielding opposition from the Republican party that have brought the stock market back to near-record highs (and made up for nearly all the losses that investors suffered during the economic free-fall brought about by Bush), and begun whittling away at the massive unemployment caused by those same policies of said former president. And he managed, in the few working days of the supermajority in the Senate, to pull off a healthcare reform package that -- while it didn't do all we had hoped -- ensures that our sisters (among other deserving people) who cannot now be insured because of pre-existing conditions will be able to be insured and without lifetime caps on benefits, young adult children who may be struggling in this economy can stay on their parents' insurance, and more affordable insurance will be available to most. The massive damage done to the economy could not be undone overnight, and in the face of the appallingly selfish opposition from the Republicans, he has done an outstanding job.



The Republicans would destroy all that. Romney's advisors are the very architects of the last downfall. Romney's 47% remarks were not an aberration -- they were his truth. Paul Ryan has never known a day of want in his life, and he would take away the very medical care that seniors depend on. Voucher? A windfall for his cronies who own insurance companies and hospitals. Massive tax cuts for the wealthy, who already own most of the wealth in this country? If trickle-down economics worked, we should be awash in jobs. The massive wealth transfer that has taken place over the last decade and more, according to trickle-down, should have created so many jobs that we never should have had a recession, let alone a second Great Depression. The rich have almost all the money now -- the Republicans simply want to complete the transfer. And foreign policy? Since we're out of Iraq, Romney wants to pick a fight with Iran (I guess because the defense industry needs more money). George Bush destabilized the entire Middle East by removing Iraq as a counterweight to Iran's regional ambitions. We are now reaping what he sowed -- and Romney wants to bring back the neocons (including that madman John Bolton!) who will sow even more destruction and pick a fight with a country on the verge of attaining nuclear weapons? There are so many more nightmare scenarios to a Romney win that I can't put them all here -- but they are out there in longer and more detailed analyses than I can perform here (this is too long already).



Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and their own grudges agains whoever they want. Even people who don't directly have a dog in this fight. But other people expressing their countervailing opinions isn't beating up, piling on or being mean -- it is taking advantage of the same right to express our opinion as everyone has.



This is my opinion, based on my observations and life experiences.



L

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HL, thank you for those spot on words!

Sure Romney has a plan, it's to do the same things Bush did only more so...yeah that'll help. His economic advisors are the Bush advisors, his foreign policy advisors are the Bush foreign policy advisors. So if you liked the Bush years you'll love the Romney years. 

BTW late term abortions are illegal except under the conditions you mentioned, Beesie. This is from 2003:

Of the 1.6 million abortions performed in the U.S. each year, 91 percent are performed during the first trimester (12 or fewer weeks' gestation); 9 percent are performed in the second trimester (24 or fewer weeks' gestation); and only about 100 are performed in the third trimester (more than 24 weeks' gestation), approximately .01 percent of all abortions performed. 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,880,00.html#ixzz29epYQLmn

It's my cancerversary today. Not sure if I should celebrate or mourn. 

I say we celebrate every day!!

Okay, I had decided to stay in bed today and keep my feet elevated but have decided I can't waste the day. I'm going to celebrate being able to get up and go out. Going to my al-anon meeting, then perhaps out to lunch, or perhaps back to bed! But I am going to celebrate your cancerversaries with you!!

Thank you (((Glenna)))! Hope you have a wonderful day! I may just hit the sack later myself.

You know, PiP, that sort of talk is (sadly) legal in the United States. It is illegal to offer someone something of value in exchange for their vote (money, a job, lunch, a coca-cola), but it is NOT illegal to threaten their jobs unless they vote the "correct" way. Pretty sickening. Not everyone can just leave a company whose CEO threatens you like that ... Sadly. We don't hear anything from the right on how terrible that is -- but you can bet, if Bill Gates or George Soros (who is the devil according to the right) were to suggest that voting for the progressive candidate would be good for the company, the screams from the right-wing would make our ears bleed.



He should scare you, PiP. He scares the crap out of me.



L