I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • GatorGal
    GatorGal Member Posts: 2,550
    edited October 2012

    Bren, I'm pretty active on the stage IV chemo thread with Naniam and have enjoyed her support and positive attitude on so many occasions. Thank you for keeping us informed. I will keep you both in my prayers! You are a good friend. I loved the picture that was posted not too long ago when you got together for a visit!



    I was visiting my mom in a very small town in Florida where I had no wi-fi so did no posting during that time period. I'll try to be better now that I'm home.



    Had an echocardiogram today and got a call from the hospital soon after I got home that they want me to have a MUGA scan on Friday. Seems the left ventricle trajectory fraction (?) was lower than they want it to be before my next chemo so they want a more accurate test done. I'm on the same chemo as Marybe was and it is pretty toxic to the heart so don't want to take any chances. I'm guessing I won't be able to get the next adriamycin treatment. It would be my last one anyway as I'm nearing the lifetime amount allowed. I'd love to be able to have even a small chemo break before going to Ireland Nov. 9th! It's always something!!



  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited October 2012

    You are in my thoughts and prayers Glenna.

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited October 2012
  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2012

    By David Bailey

    Oct 17 (Reuters) - Former U.S. Democratic Senator George McGovern, remembered for a devastating defeat by Richard Nixon in the 1972 presidential election and his efforts to fight world hunger, was near death on Wednesday at a South Dakota hospice center, his family said.

    McGovern, 90, was admitted to a hospice suffering from a combination of medical conditions due to age that have worsened in recent months, his family said in a statement.

    "The senator is no longer responsive," the statement said. "He is surrounded by his loving family and close friends."

    McGovern, who served in the Senate for South Dakota from 1963 to 1981, challenged Nixon in 1972 on a platform opposing the war in Vietnam. He suffered one of the most lopsided defeats in U.S. history, taking only 37.5 percent of the vote and carrying only Massachusetts and the District of Columbia.

    Later as Nixon's presidency unraveled in the Watergate scandal, bumper stickers saying "Don't blame me, I'm from Massachusetts" and buttons saying "Don't blame me, I voted for McGovern" began to appear.

    But McGovern's legacy stretches well beyond his terms in Congress and presidential bids, to social issues including world hunger and AIDS, said Donald Simmons, director of the McGovern Center for Leadership and Public Service at Dakota Wesleyan University in Mitchell, South Dakota.

    I saw him speak years ago. More here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/george-mcgovern_n_1974944.html

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited October 2012

    For your reading pleasure....

    "Robert Shrum: Obama Had Everything On the Line and Delivered, While Romney Sputtered

    Sit down, Mitt—the president just passed you by. Robert Shrum breaks down Romney’s mistakes, Obama’s success—and why Republicans are already trying to turn the public against Candy Crowley."

    "You didn’t need a poll to tell you what happened, but the instant surveys exploded in a geyser of good news for President Obama. For example, in Colorado, in a Public Policy Polling sample that was 3 percent more Republican, respondents rated the President the winner 48 to 44 percent-- and crucially, independents thought he prevailed 58 to 36 percent. The CBS survey of uncommitted voters gave Obama a seven-point margin, and he held a 13-point advantage on “helping the middle class.” There was a similar verdict in the CNN poll of debate viewers; and even though it was once again heavily weighted towards Republicans—by 8 points—Obama finished 7 ahead.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/17/robert-shrum-obama-had-everything-on-the-line-and-delivered-while-romney-sputtered.html

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2012

    ((((Bren and Brenda )))))

    ((((Glenna)))))

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited October 2012

    And this.....

    "Mr. Romney’s Version of Equal Rights"

    "It has dawned on Mitt Romney that he has a problem with female voters. He just has no idea what to do about it, since it is the result of his positions on abortion, contraception, health services and many other issues. On Tuesday night, he bumbled his way through a cringe-inducing attempt to graft what he thinks should be 2012 talking points onto his 1952 sensibility......

    Perhaps his notes were scrambled and Mr. Romney was merely trying to say that the issue is who pays for contraceptives, not whether women can use them. But his remarks underscore how hard it must be to remember where he stands at any given moment, since his positions change so frequently."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/opinion/mr-romneys-version-of-equal-rights.html

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited October 2012
  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited October 2012
  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2012

    Wonderful Belinda!

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited October 2012

    Belinda, LOVE THAT GRAPHIC!! Laughing

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2012

    from the American Prospect today:

    DAILY MEME: TRADING SPACES

    • After the conclusion of last night's town hall one couldn't be faulted for thinking Obama's team must have thought the Denver debate's theme was Opposite Day.
    • The two candidates switched their sartorial stand-bys from their first debate—Romney traded his red tie for a blue one, while the incumbent traded his typical neckwear for the opposite hue as well.
    • This time, liberal pundits were singing a far happier tune once the verbal sparring match—which nearly came to blows—segued into the spin room.
    • While MSNBC went full The Day After Tomorrowafter the first debate, Rachel Maddow called last night the best debate performance of Obama's career.
    • Steve Kornacki also deemed it Obama's best debate ever, a markedly different reaction than he had last time.
    • Andrew Sullivan flipped out after the first debate, saying "How is Obama's closing statement so fucking sad, confused and lame? He choked. He lost. He may even have lost the election tonight." This week, Obama "came back like a lethal, but restrained predator." Grrr!
    • Few Republican pundits would stoop to giving Obama a win, but most called the debate a near draw—with requisite grumbles about the moderator and the time alloted to each candidate, which in Fox News's terms translates to a meltdown of MSNBC and Andrew Sullivan proportions.
    • After the last debate, Republicans got fired up. This time, the Obama campaign seems to have taken back its slogan.
  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2012

    Blue, you got me interested in the blue-state/red-state difference on federal and taxpayer largesse. Mother Jones has an analysis with maps. Caution: for folks who had trouble passing kindergarten - all data like this is a few years old - that's nothing new. The only "new" 'data' are estimates:

    A look at 2010 Census and IRS data reveals that the 50 states and the District of Columbia, on average, received $1.29 in federal spending for every federal tax dollar they paid. That means that some states are getting a lot more than they put in, and vice versa. The states that contributed more in taxes than they got back in spending were more likely to have voted for Obama in 2008 and were more likely to be largely urban. (There are some clear exceptions: For instance, New Mexico, a rural, Democratic state, gets more federal money per tax dollar than any other state.)

    These three interactive maps break down the split between the spenders and lenders. Click on any state for more detailed data, including each state's per capita ratio of spending received versus taxes paid and where it ranked when the Tax Foundation ran the 2005 numbers.

    Red states were more likely to get a bigger cut of federal spending. Of the 22 states that went to McCain in 2008, 86 percent received more federal spending than they paid in taxes in 2010. In contrast, 55 percent of the states that went to Obama received more federal spending than they paid in taxes. Republican states, on average, received $1.46 in federal spending for every tax dollar paid; Democratic states, on average, received $1.16.

    More here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited October 2012

    Mods ... Thanks for posting the link for me.  I don't know how to do that.

    Glenna ... I sure hope you get a chemo break before your trip.  I sure want you to feel good and have a wonderful time.  I have another pic of Brenda and I that I can post when we met for lunch ... it was just before she lost her hair. 

    Belinda ... Your cartoons are hysterically funny!

    hugs,

    Bren

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited October 2012

    Good thoughts going out for Glenna and Bren and Brenda.

    I missed the incoming posts today but then realized a few minutes ago that I should go ahead and make a donation anyway. I still had time to beat the FEC deadline so I laid some more money on President Obama's reelection campaign.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited October 2012

    OMG, Jessica Yellin called it! She said Romney's statement sounded like qualified working women can only be found it color coded binders!

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited October 2012

    RR - good point! More bux for Obama!

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited October 2012

    Glenna .. This is me and Brenda this past summer just before she started chemo.

    How come people from the "Mirror" thread get confused about where they are?  Very strange.

    hugs,

    Bren

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2012

    what I meant to post.....from my inbox today:

    Sorry the picture didn't come through, but we all know what a bully looks like. 


    Mitt the Jerk: a Woman’s View of the Debate


    • Amy Sullivan



     



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    At the risk of going all Maureen Dowd here, I’d like to suggest that in the second presidential debate on Tuesday night, we met Mitt the Man. He’s always been there, surfacing briefly at the Republican National Convention to implausibly claimthat he has always believed wife Ann’s job raising their sons “was a lot more important than mine”—as if Romney sincerely believed that for decades he pursued a less important career path. For the most part, however, Mitt the Man had been under wraps until he emerged in full-force at Hofstra University. Just who is he?

    Mitt the Man gets his way by talking over you and not stopping until you give in so he can make his point. Which he may have forgotten by then, because getting his way was the point.

    Mitt the Man can go from charming to testy in two seconds flat because while he has tolerated you as a female colleague, he will not allow you to disrespect him and hisauthoritah!

    Mitt the Man is not self-aware enough to realize that he can be easily goaded and that you are pushing his buttons.

    Mitt the Man feels sorry for you as a single parent and your sure-to-be-screwed-up kids.

    Mitt the Man cannot help but disappoint you because his chivalry is all about saying the right thing as opposed to doing the right thing.

    It’s fair to say that Mitt the Man did not have a great evening on Tuesday. He braggedabout filling positions in his state cabinet by consulting “whole binders full of women,” sounding amazed that so many smart, qualified women existed while also calling to mind the days when men selected their mail-order brides from plastic binders of photos. He talked about how in a Romney administration, employers would be so “anxious” to hire good workers that they might even consider women. He fumbled an otherwise reasonable point about the connection between family structure and poverty (one key reason most anti-poverty advocates support family planning, sex education, access to contraception) by managing to sound like he was blaming single moms for horrific gun violence.

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    (Rhetorical flubs aside, Romney also failed to substantively and accurately address many issues concerning women. The binder story came up only as Romney sought to avoid answering a question about whether women deserve equal pay for equal work. Perhaps he wanted to avoid sounding like his GOP colleague Sen. Scott Brown, who earlier this year called pay equity “job-killing burdens.” Regardless, Romney’s ability to identify and hire qualified women is as irrelevant to the issue of equal pay as his compassion for fellow Mormons is to the impact of gutting anti-poverty programs.)

    But mostly, Mitt the Man interrupted and ignored the evening’s most prominent woman, moderator Candy Crowley of CNN. In one particularly uncomfortable exchange, Crowley attempted to get Romney to explain his arithmetic for massive-tax-cut + increased-defense-spending + closing-of-unspecified-tax-loopholes + cuts-to-PBS-and-Planned-Parenthood = lowered deficit. “If somehow when you get in [the White House], there isn’t enough tax revenue coming in, if somehow the numbers don’t add up,” asked Crowley, “would you be willing to look again at a 20 percent…” “Well, OF COURSE, they add up,” interrupted a visibly annoyed Romney. “I was someone who ran businesses for 25 years and balanced the budget. I ran the Olympics and balanced the budget. I ran the state of Massachusetts, to the extent any governor does, and balanced the budget all four years.”

    The dismissive lecture Romney gave Crowley was devastating—but not in the way he intended. He defended his honor as a businessman, but at the cost of reminding undecided women of every man who ever made them feel stupid or who cut them down just to win an argument.

    A popular theory to explain Romney’s rise in the polls over the past two weeks is that undecided women flocked to him after his performance in the first presidential debate. The Romney campaign certainly seems to think it has a good chance of winning over those voters—the candidate trotted out a new new position on abortion last week, and on Tuesday the campaign released a television ad casting Romney as a moderate on abortion and birth control issues. Romney made special mention of “women living in poverty” on Tuesday evening. And during the debate, Americans for Prosperity even tweeted one of my columns that criticized Obama for relying mostly on male senior advisors.

    There are still three weeks before Election Day, when we’ll learn the size of the gender gap between the two candidates. But if those undecided women end up pulling the lever for Democrats, the Romney camp will end up wishing Mitt the Man had stayed out of sight

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2012

    Good reaction, RR!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2012

    Not doing this well this evening.....last try here:

    At the risk of going all Maureen Dowd here, I’d like to suggest that in the second presidential debate on Tuesday night, we met Mitt the Man. He’s always been there, surfacing briefly at the Republican National Convention to implausibly claimthat he has always believed wife Ann’s job raising their sons “was a lot more important than mine”—as if Romney sincerely believed that for decades he pursued a less important career path. For the most part, however, Mitt the Man had been under wraps until he emerged in full-force at Hofstra University. Just who is he?

    Mitt the Man gets his way by talking over you and not stopping until you give in so he can make his point. Which he may have forgotten by then, because getting his way was the point.

    Mitt the Man can go from charming to testy in two seconds flat because while he has tolerated you as a female colleague, he will not allow you to disrespect him and hisauthoritah!

    Mitt the Man is not self-aware enough to realize that he can be easily goaded and that you are pushing his buttons.

    Mitt the Man feels sorry for you as a single parent and your sure-to-be-screwed-up kids.

    Mitt the Man cannot help but disappoint you because his chivalry is all about saying the right thing as opposed to doing the right thing.

    It’s fair to say that Mitt the Man did not have a great evening on Tuesday. He braggedabout filling positions in his state cabinet by consulting “whole binders full of women,” sounding amazed that so many smart, qualified women existed while also calling to mind the days when men selected their mail-order brides from plastic binders of photos. He talked about how in a Romney administration, employers would be so “anxious” to hire good workers that they might even consider women. He fumbled an otherwise reasonable point about the connection between family structure and poverty (one key reason most anti-poverty advocates support family planning, sex education, access to contraception) by managing to sound like he was blaming single moms for horrific gun violence.

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    (Rhetorical flubs aside, Romney also failed to substantively and accurately address many issues concerning women. The binder story came up only as Romney sought to avoid answering a question about whether women deserve equal pay for equal work. Perhaps he wanted to avoid sounding like his GOP colleague Sen. Scott Brown, who earlier this year called pay equity “job-killing burdens.” Regardless, Romney’s ability to identify and hire qualified women is as irrelevant to the issue of equal pay as his compassion for fellow Mormons is to the impact of gutting anti-poverty programs.)

    But mostly, Mitt the Man interrupted and ignored the evening’s most prominent woman, moderator Candy Crowley of CNN. In one particularly uncomfortable exchange, Crowley attempted to get Romney to explain his arithmetic for massive-tax-cut + increased-defense-spending + closing-of-unspecified-tax-loopholes + cuts-to-PBS-and-Planned-Parenthood = lowered deficit. “If somehow when you get in [the White House], there isn’t enough tax revenue coming in, if somehow the numbers don’t add up,” asked Crowley, “would you be willing to look again at a 20 percent…” “Well, OF COURSE, they add up,” interrupted a visibly annoyed Romney. “I was someone who ran businesses for 25 years and balanced the budget. I ran the Olympics and balanced the budget. I ran the state of Massachusetts, to the extent any governor does, and balanced the budget all four years.”

    The dismissive lecture Romney gave Crowley was devastating—but not in the way he intended. He defended his honor as a businessman, but at the cost of reminding undecided women of every man who ever made them feel stupid or who cut them down just to win an argument.

    A popular theory to explain Romney’s rise in the polls over the past two weeks is that undecided women flocked to him after his performance in the first presidential debate. The Romney campaign certainly seems to think it has a good chance of winning over those voters—the candidate trotted out a new new position on abortion last week, and on Tuesday the campaign released a television ad casting Romney as a moderate on abortion and birth control issues. Romney made special mention of “women living in poverty” on Tuesday evening. And during the debate, Americans for Prosperity even tweeted one of my columns that criticized Obama for relying mostly on male senior advisors.

    There are still three weeks before Election Day, when we’ll learn the size of the gender gap between the two candidates. But if those undecided women end up pulling the lever for Democrats, the Romney camp will end up wishing Mitt the Man had stayed out of sight

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited October 2012

    How can someone who says the government does not create jobs create 12 million jobs if he is elected President? Just asking.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited October 2012

    I want to comment on Senator McGovern. I have had high respect for him as the mother of an adopted son with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. He was always supportive of the organizations trying to bring this to the publics attention. His daughter died after a long battle with alcoholism so the issue was vey close to him.



    And I did have a McGovern flower power sticker stuck on my mirror as a teenager.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2012

    Chicakdee - he and Bob Dole are the fathers of the Food Stamp Program. They remained friends for life. If only we had such bipartisan concern for the poor today.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2012

    Hmmm, Rosemary - maybe by mandating that every woman in this country can work no more than 20 hours a week so they will have time to go home, get married, cook dinner and tend to their children so they don't become homicidal maniacs. That would immediately double the number of women who are working and provide some jobs for men who aren't working too.



    Chickadee, George McGovern was a good and decent man. He did the right thing his whole life, and wanted to do right by this country and its people. Wishing him a peaceful and pain-free journey.



    L

  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited October 2012

    I was living in DC when he ran and voted for him. Proud to be a part of that minority!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2012

    Mitt Romney On Women At Bain: They Don't Want To Work There

    As a newly elected, incoming governor in late 2002, Mitt Romney said he was forced to instruct his staff to "find some women that are qualified" for positions in his administration because all the candidates, "seemed to be men."

    The result was the now infamous "binders full of women," comment Romney made during Tuesday night's presidential debate, a reference to a report given to Romney by a women's group, which contained the names of women who should be considered for positions in the Massachusetts state government.

    But Tuesday night wasn't the first time the Republican presidential candidate has gotten into trouble trying to explain how difficult it is for him to find "qualified" women for senior positions.

    In 1994, when Romney challenged the late Sen. Edward Kennedy in Massachusetts, the Boston Globe first raised the question of why there were so few women and minorities employed at Bain Capital Partners, the Boston-based private equity group Romney founded. At the time, all 95 vice presidents of the firm were white, and only nine were women.

    Romney's answer at the time was similar to the one he gave Tuesday night, that there simply weren't any female applicants. He blamed the profession, private equity, and said it didn't "attract many women and minorities." He also blamed the elite business schools, from which Bain recruited almost exclusively. Those schools, he told the Globe, "graduate only a handful of minorities and women."

    When the Globe story came out in the fall of 1994, Sen. Kennedy's campaign wasted no time turning the salient parts into a damning TV ad that twisted Romney's words by broadcasting the message that ""Romney claims 'only a handful of women' meet his recruiting standard." The paper later said the ad "misrepresented" the story. Nevertheless, the damage was done, and Romney went on to lose among women voters by more than two-to-one.

     

    More at

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-women-bain_n_1974837.html

    *****

    Funny, in 1991, I took several MBA classes at UW (in top 20 of MBA programs in the nation) and these classes were very well balanced 1/2 women and 1/2 men.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2012

    Watching Rachel Maddow - she is doing a great analysis of thedebate -especially how Romney said he was different from Bush but in ways that he is the same. For example, he talks about expanding trade with Latin America. Actually, Dumbya always championed trade with LA. Romney says unlike Bush he would balance the budget - so how are his tax cuts a budget balance?

    Pity facts don't matter for some.....

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited October 2012

    Soooo......let me get this straight.....Obama gets critized for being interviewed by Barbara Walters and the other ladies of The View, but.....this is okay? Surprised

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Ff0sZhYSM

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2012

    Rosemary - your question is priceless...

    Some conservatives profess to loathe government so much, one has to wonder what on earth they are doing in public service.

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