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  • juneaubugg
    juneaubugg Member Posts: 951
    edited October 2012

    Sleeping in spurts Eat/ Meds/brish floess. Isolated. 😳😳😳😳😳

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited October 2012

    Was away a few days and wow, so much going on.  I'm so sorry about the sad experiences some of you were having.  I wish that I could just give hugs to everyone when you're feeling down.   I know that a hug really helps me.  For those finishing up chemo, a big Hooray!!!!!! 

    I need to get on the boards more often to catch up.

    The friends thing really gets me some time, but the family thing irritates me even more. I have a very small family (both my side and my DH's side).  The only one who regulary communicates with me is my FIL because my DH's stepmother was diagnosed with ovarian cancer about 2 months ago and she and I are each taking Taxol and we're sharing the experiences.  My one SIL is a nurse and she checks up on me regularly, although this is the SIL who I really never had a close relationship (if you could call what we had a relationship).  My other 3 SIL's.  Where are you?????????  Nothing.  My brother's wife who I spoke to on a weekly basis?  Nothing since my diagnosis in April.  Don't know if she can handle it or not.  Last night I was trying to get some information from my brother and spoke to her for 5 seconds (or less).  Just a quick how are you and let me get your brother. 

    Just finished Taxol #6 yesterday!  Yay!!!! Only 6 more Taxol to go and completing Herceptin (either weekly like now or ever 3 weeks)!!!!  My echocardiogram I took last Thursday reflects my heart has not changed at all since the baseline echocardiogram they took in June.  Another Yay!  I was so worried that there would be a change and I wouldn't be able to continue Herceptin as a result.

    I just heard something sweet yesterday.  Our 2 little ones attend a Catholic School (the public schools are horrific in our area, and since both had experienced some delays as a result of arriving in the U.S. without our language skills, etc.. we decided that at least for a few years we wanted them in smaller classrooms to get some one-on-one attention and attending school a little longer each day). Well, each morning they have a morning prayer and I was told by one of the teachers yesterday that each morning the entire school says a prayer for me and the thought is how could prayers not be answered when they're coming from these sweet little voices.  Oh Geez!  The waterworks wanted to start so I had to leave.  It was the best start to sitting in the BGC.

    Well, I best get back to bed.  My 6 year old just came out to ask if I was o.k. and going back to bed because it's still dark.  He and our 5 year old brother are "camping" out in our bedroom in their sleeping bags and he must have heard me get up.

    Take care everyone!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2012

    I have found my BC has shined what I call a "light of truth" on the people in my world. Some people have shocked me - in a good way - with the friendship and understanding they have come forward with. And others have turned into people I don't want in my world right now. It has been interesting to see. Sorry to those of you not getting the supper you need from certain people. It really stinks! But here us for sure the place to come to get support!



    And contests to those of you hitting milestones in your journey and txt! As for me resting out the wave of AC 4. Like you juneau - resting, snacking and rinsing... Hugs to all!

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited October 2012

    Tina,  You and I are having the same treatment, but I just finished A/C 2 and have 2A/C, 12 Taxol and 35 rads to go.,

    Don't blame you for crying.  You have been through a lot.  Husbands never note aniverseries--even big ones.  MEN.

    But the boards and threads here do.  You are almost to the end of the worst.  From what I read the chemo brain, the fatigue, and the blistered skin will all pass, and the real you will return.  At least that is part of the lecture the chemo nurse gave me when I was having trouble accepting the fatigue that followed A/C l.  Got it.  second time easier because I had accepted it mentally.

    Hang in there.  You are almost to home plate.  Hugs and no SE,

  • shockd
    shockd Member Posts: 68
    edited October 2012

    Juneaubugg - hoping that your sleep comes in longer batches, I don't know if that works for you but it sure works for me ... the isolation is cut by being able to come here and chat, isn't it?  I am also sleeping a bit at a time, and waiting for the steroid let-down, but coming here makes me feel just  little less isolated.  Sending you hugs, hope you feel better.  

  • mbf
    mbf Member Posts: 63
    edited October 2012

    I hope you all don't mind me joining your group so late... I was diagnosed in April of this year and have completed my 4 rounds of chemo, herceptin every 3 weeks (which will continue until June 2013), and today was day 27 of 32 for radiation.  I've stayed pretty strong through it all and visiting these boards has helped me so much - so thank you to you all!  It's been more difficult over the last few weeks for some reason, maybe just finally tired of putting up the good front at work, in front of people, etc., but then today I lost most of my eyebrows and my bottom eyelashes fell out!  Not at all what I was expecting!  Here my hair is finally coming back and things are looking like they may be looking better... then this.  I've been able to talk myself through things and keep myself going, but at the end of the day I just feel so tired of it all and so want to walk away from it (of course I won't - especially because I want to stay strong and get healthy for my kids - I have 3 teenagers that have been great throughout everything and my husband too!).  Has anybody else experienced the eyebrow/eyelash fallout - my final chemo was August 16th.  Also, has anyone else found herself dealing pretty well with it all, then just hit a point where you feel so down, so confused, etc?

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited October 2012

    Ok ladies.... Where on Earth did y'all find scarves for your bald head (in the US)?

  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited October 2012

    Welcome mbf to the club no one wants to join.   You will find all the support and comfort here from these wonderful ladies.   This is your safe haven to rant, yell, cry, laugh... whatever.   You can express any emotion you are feeling with no fear of judgement.

    I think that most ladies here will say what you are feeling is 'normal'... whatever 'normal' is these days.   It takes a lot of energy to put on that smile and be upbeat... it takes a lot more to beat this beast we are all fighting.   This is one roller coaster of a ride and one minute you can be genuinely happy and the next a blubbering, crumbling mess and you'll wonder where that came from.  

    Not sure what your chemo protocol was and by the way congrats of finishing chemo - what a feeling eh?   I lost my brows and lashes on Taxotere - last infusion was June 22 and they are just growing back.   Pissed me off that the first hair to return was the hair on my legs Smile

    MrsCich - I got all my scarves at Zellers (soon to be Target) and Walmart... also Ardene (not sure you have them in the US) where I got lots of funky earrings too. They sell everything from costume jewellery to headbands to swim suits.

  • mbf
    mbf Member Posts: 63
    edited October 2012

    Tazzy, thanks for the welcome!  I work with little ones (toddlers/preschoolers), so I do need to keep that smile on my face and my energy up as much as possible.  But, on the other hand, they keep my mind off the crappy stuff going on!

  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited October 2012

    Well that would definitely keep your mind off this crap... dealing with preschoolers.  Whatever works, and if you need a meltdown when you get home we are here.

  • Nkb
    Nkb Member Posts: 1,436
    edited October 2012

    I hope that everyone finds some solace today.

    I had a college Roomate who got BC at 45 and she had 2 little ones and I had 3 under 10 and working at the time, she lived about an hour away. I remember visiting her, but, really don't think I had a clue what she might have needed from me, or what besides visits and kids together in the backyard I did for her. I did listen to her talk of the side effects of chemo and her mothers cancer etc, and maybe that was enough. I don't know- it haunts me a bit now 15 years later.



    I also got a letter from an old collegue who had had BC a long time ago and went through a lot with it, got a recurrence, eventually got a bilateral mastectomy. I wrote her about my BC and got back a very delayed letter that I read on my way to a doctor visit. I thought it was a really odd unsupportive letter. I let my husband read it- he thought it was a wonderful and totally appropriate letter.! Weeks later I re- read it ( obviously in a different state of mind) I found it really loving and reaching out in her own way. What she was capable of doing.



    My wise mother told me when I was 20 that men are not intuitive, tell them what you need or you will be disappointed. Help them with socialization.



    We all respond differently to our own illness, we have to help our friends figure this out also. They can't read our minds necessarily, even we have trouble with this. Try to know which friend can bring you dinner, and which friend can spend 5 hours at chemo with you, and which one is good for a walk on your upbeat day. When you value their strengths and weaknesses you value your own. We are all too hard on ourselves and others.



    What a journey, it has certainly changed how I see the world and how I think of responding to friends in need.

  • SusannahW
    SusannahW Member Posts: 470
    edited October 2012

    Tina-Jason, I tend to go through spurts with crying, on for a few days, off for a few days. For me it is a great tension reducer, but I worry from time to time about it. I do think I'm staring to cry less.



    Happy half way through rads!

    Susannah

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited October 2012

    mbf:  Welome to the group!  My eyebrows and eyelashes just starting coming out (kept them all through AC and then Taxol #3 and they started disappearing).  The hair on my head didn't bother me as much as I thought it would, but the eyelash thing for me is very devastating.  My lashes have always been long and now my eyes look lost without them.

    Mrs Cich:  Someone at my husbands work sewed 3 scarves for me and I bought 3 hats.  

    Take care!!!

  • KarenZ0305
    KarenZ0305 Member Posts: 487
    edited October 2012

    Mbf welcome! I too had that WTF moment when I'm looking at my hair finally starting to come back and how happy I was then BAM! out go the eye lashes/brows. Really? I finished taxol in July and having them was good because I could put on makeup and feel human. Once they went my lovely side effect of tearing eyes took over and makeup wouldn't stay on. They are starting to come back now. Now I'm losing my nails! I've lost three toenails and my finger nails are raised up so I cut them down to almost nothing. My MO assures me this is normal and pointed out the new growth comin in!



    So today was RAD 6 and for the first time came home and slept for 2 hours! Oh icky



    BTW is anyone watching Parenthood? One if the main characters has a BC storyline and I think they are doing a great job telling it so far.



    Have a happy minimal SE day ladies.

    Karen

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited October 2012

    Mrscich, another place for cute hats, scarves etc. is www.headcovers.com - I ordered a few things from them too.

    As for the eyelashes and eyebrows, my experience was that 8 weeks after finishing chemo, I had almost nothing except for a very few eyebrow hairs here and there. Now, five months after, my lashes are back as they've always been - oh what a joy to be able to put on mascara again! My left eyebrow still has a bit of a hole in the middle that I have to fill in. I had them waxed and tinted last week for the first time. They can fall out again, so I'm waiting to see if they will hang in there. Hope so!

    To get cancer, is to look death in the eye, so to speak, and to be confronted with mortality in a very real way. In our society we are almost denying that death is a normal part of life. It is not nice to think about it, but it is a fact that none of us will leave this life alive. That's why people are so uncomfortable when confronted with somebody who has cancer. They don't want to be reminded that there is an end to life eventually, and they cannot handle this. It is so unfortunate that relationships suffer because of this. Friends and family 'abandon' the one who needs their support most, while all that person wants is to be surrounded by loving, caring people who listen more than they speak. They don't have to understand, because they can never really understand, but by taking care of children, cooking a few meals, doing some laundry, cleaning or just visiting/phoning they can be of such great help. It seems here we will also have to be our own best advocates, and tell people what we need in our situation, that their presence is appreciated, and that we need to feel loved and supported in this scary situation.

  • mbf
    mbf Member Posts: 63
    edited October 2012

    teeballmom, I was the same - losing the hair on my head I think maybe I expected/had come to terms with/could kind of 'work' with... but losing my eyebrows and eyelashes almost 8 weeks after my last chemo I just didn't expect!

     KarenZ, yes - putting on makeup helps me feel human and feminine - now I don't know how I'm going to feel tomorrow morning when I get ready for work and have no clue what to do with my eyes!  I'm not very good with makeup to begin with and am not comfortable 'drawing on' my eyebrows, so we'll see...  I'm sorry to hear about your nails!  I'm losing one of mine, but it looks like that is all (at least I'm hoping so!).  I've been watching Parenthood too and I agree, they are doing a great job with the BC storyline.  I missed this week's, but am hoping to get a chance to watch it on On Demand.

    Liefie, how long did it take for your lashes to start to come back?  You must have loved being able to have them waxed and tinted! 

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited October 2012

    mbf, 

     I started loosing eyebrows as I aged.  Never had any luck with pencils.  Hand not very steady.  I now use small stiff  brush and draw them on using brown, black or mixture of mascara.  It's the best I can do.  Tried the stencils, but you have to hold them on with one hand and paint with the other.  Now just use brush.

  • _Ann_
    _Ann_ Member Posts: 769
    edited October 2012

    Lifie I think you hit the nail on the head about discomfort with cancer.  Nobody wants to be reminded of the possibility of death, and they want to distance themselves from the reminder.  I know I always felt like serious illness was something that happened to other people and I'm sure I shied away.  Honestly I still feel a little squeamish seeing a lot of other cancer patients in the infusion room.  I can't quite accept that I'm one of them yet.

  • Cottontail
    Cottontail Member Posts: 374
    edited February 2013

    I mostly wore hats from chemobeanies.com. I ordered four different ones and was able to have something to go with any outfit. I highly recommend them. I'll probably keep two of them, and will be looking for someone/some place to donate the other two.



    I lost my eyelashes about eight weeks after I finished chemo, but they started coming in almost immediately. They're now about a eighth of an inch long, they look so weird! I'm just wearing eyeliner. My eyebrows also thinned, and are coming back in, but aren't even. I don't like how drawn-on eyebrows look, so I'm just going natural. My MIL's eyebrows thinned nearly to being gone, and she's never done chemo. I figure if she can deal with it, I can too.

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited October 2012

    Mbf, by the beginning of July I had no eyelashes whatsoever 8 weeks PFC. They slowly started coming back during August, and for a long time my right eye had nothing while my left eye had quite a few. Yes, it was exciting to have eyebrows to wax and tint again, made me feel so normal - lol!

  • chrissera
    chrissera Member Posts: 79
    edited October 2012

    Liefie, love your comment about people's discomfort with cancer.  I am having issues with co-workers and some close friends and I think it is becuase they either don't know what to say to me, or are afraid to talk to me.  It makes me sad because I would love to have a conversation about something other than my treatment! 

    I am having a bad day today already.  I am not sleeping well since my surgery last Friday, partly because I am uncomfortable and partly because I cannot turn off my brain!  I am regretting my decision to go with lumpectomy, and when I do sleep I have dreams of the cancer coming back again and having to do this all over, like a bad nightmare!  I am not sure what I will do, I get my path results Monday.   Every time I am in the shower I find myself crying uncontrollably, and I can't stop thinking about it.  Will having a mastectomy make these fears go away?  I am not sure I can live with the possiblity hanging over my head...  my husband and my sister tell me I made the right decision, but they do not understand.  My sister has been distant throughout most of my treatment and is only recently been trying to help and calling more.  I think it is because my mom had to go back to Florida to deal with her own medical issues and sister promised to help me. And my husband is supportive no matter what I decide but he keeps saying if I change my mind and have a MX now, it wil only make the process longer and mean more surgeries!  They just don't understand.  I want this to be over, I feel like I have lost a year of my life.  I just don't know...  

    I think today I will do something for me.. retail therapy maybe?  My BS told me no driving until I could use the arm...  since my LX last friday, very sore and don't think I will be able to reach the steering wheel...  Maybe I will convince my daughter to skip classes this morning and go shopping?  I'm sure that won't be hard  :)

    On the hair stuff --- I lost my eyebrows and eyelashes about two weeks after my last chemo.  For me, this was more emotionally painful than losing my hair.   I am now 6 weeks post chemo and the brows are starting to grow back a little. And my hair is coming back in.  I look like a baby after they loose whatever hair they were born with! And it is soft like a baby's head.  My husband keeps petting me! :)   I would recommend the Look Good Feel Better classes from the American Cancer Society.  I went to one when the lashes started to fall out (I am a BIG fan of mascara! ).  They taught me how to do the eye makeup so my eyes look good even though no lashes, but I don't look like a clown wearing too much makeup!  THey also explained how to draw on the eyebrows so they look natural!  There are some tips available on the website www.lookgoodfeelbetter.org and you can find a local class. 

    Thanks for listening! I love all of you and wish that I could remember you all by name!  The list of names on my Prayer list is growing, found out an old friend is battling BC as well.  And You are all included as I pray for every women who deals with Breast Cancer, past, present and future!  

    <<<<<,HUGS TO ALL >>>>>

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited October 2012

    My dear Chrissera:  How well I understand the dread that you made the wrong choice.  Been there, sometimes I'm still there.  The path. report will help clarify your choice.  But the fact is nothing will stop cancer for coming back if it chooses to.  So forget (ha) about that. Your odds are so similar with the two treatments (if LX is an appropriate choice) that it really makes no difference. Make your choice based on the other factors, do you choose the inconvenience of rads and it's se's or the problems that come with MX? And so on. And somehow you will learn to live with the sword of uncertainty of recurrence. And really, it was always there, for all of us.  We just notice it more now.

  • shockd
    shockd Member Posts: 68
    edited October 2012

    Cindyl - well said.  Chrissera - hugs.

  • Chrisrenee77
    Chrisrenee77 Member Posts: 1,032
    edited October 2012

    Chrissera- we all make the right decisions for ourselves at that time. No one wants this dreaded disease. I can honestly say that I would have never allowed my body to be put under anesthesia three times in one year. But then BC came and I have had two surgeries in 3 months and still have 1 more in December. The choice of lumpectomy or BMX is a very hard choice it just takes a while to make yourself realize you did what's right for you. Path results will come back and Mae you feel better with your decision. Try to have a good day. Hugs

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited October 2012
    Chrissera, I've had the same worries as you.  My surgery was the end of May and after a few weeks, I became comfortable with the decision that was best for me.  I have 3 friends who have all been diagnosed since then and they have all elected to have mastectomy's and if I had been in their shoes I would have done the same thing they did.  We are all different and what is good for one isn't always good for another.  
    Your fears will fade in time.  Another woman who has reached out to me that is a 7 year survivor said the only time she has the recurrence fears now is when she goes for her mammo. The rest of the time, it fades into the background much like it was before she was diagnosed.  I know *I* only ever thought "what if" when I went for my yearly checkups.
  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited October 2012

    Liefie... you wrote and captured feelings about death beautifully (if beautiful is the appropriate word?).  

    (((((chrissera)))))

    In fact all of us (((((  )))))

    Off for Rad #5 today.

    Wishing all a better day.   Even though I am having a good day I find so much comfort from all your posts.

    Peace & love xxx

  • halfcan
    halfcan Member Posts: 253
    edited October 2012

    Thanks Tazzy .... I love the "group hug"!!!  Gave me my big smile this morning. :-)

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited October 2012
    Well, I am scheduled to get my very own therapist. My husband, whom I love dearly, is a wreck and I don't really have much other support besides him and this board so I will go there... DH was already on meds but he is absolutely not handling me being in chemo well at. all. He does well in emergency situations but chronic or ongoing? not so much. I'm worried more about *his* survival at this point than mine.It's not that he doesn't try and he does do all the family laundry and the kitty litter box. Maybe not a totally fair share of chores but quite a bit. I'm dreadful about getting laundry done. But his brain is just spinning on his own thoughts. he doesn't ask how I'm doing and he keeps bringing me his problems and then picking fights with me if I suggest any approach besides what he is considering. So yesterday he promised to not get confrontational with me for 8 weeks regardless of whether I am completely nuts myself or not. That will cover the rest of chemo and maybe into my rads. He has his own appts with psych to get to also. I think with some outside help we might make it through this intact.
  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited October 2012

    Dear Chrissera, your feelings of uncertainty about your decision are so human, but I'm sure at the time of decision you felt that that was the right way to go for a very good reason. At the moment I also have doubts about whether I should have had a BMX instead of UMX. The drs told me that the chance of cancer in the healthy breast is slim, but I read that once you've had it in one breast, you have a higher risk in the other breast . . . I guess this fear of recurrence is the 'new normal', that we have to learn to live with. My take on it is that worry will not change the outcome of anything, but it will make you miserable. So worry only when you have something to worry about. Once you wrap your head around that, it is not so difficult to do. See the glass as half full rather than half empty, and list the positive things and blessings in your life. There are so many once you start thinking about it, and it will lift your spirit. Best wishes for a good path report too. ((((HUGS!))))

    Thanks for the group hug, Tazzy!

  • chrissera
    chrissera Member Posts: 79
    edited October 2012

    Thanks for the encouragement and listening to my fears. You are all helping me get through this! Sometimes I feel like I made the choice everyone wanted me to make, that I am somehow a failure if I choose to do MX. I know that is stupid and irrational. I think an honest conversation with my husband before we see the surgeon on Monday..

    Thank you again!!!

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