I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited September 2012

    OK, new Romney tape just surfaced.  He was talking years ago about Bain capital "harvesting" companies and making a big profit. 

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited September 2012

    Garden:  just read your post about your interview.  So sorry it didn't work out, but it's good that you've made the decision not to accept what sounds like a bad situation.    A five hour interview - how incredibly draining.  Something much much better will come along. 

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited September 2012

    GG, I'm so sorry about your interview -- but now you know, and you are in control of where you work. It was probably a good investment of your time so you can rule out that place to work.



    If this doesn't scare the crap out of everyone, I don't know what will. This is utterly horrifying -- and if you vote for Romney, you are condoning this:



    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/us/politics/election-will-decide-future-of-interrogation-methods-for-terrorism-suspects.html?_r=0



    "By contrast, Mr. Romney’s advisers have privately urged him to “rescind and replace President Obama’s executive order” and permit secret “enhanced interrogation techniques against high-value detainees that are safe, legal and effective in generating intelligence to save American lives,” according to an internal Romney campaign memorandum. ..."



    And



    "Last December, Mr. Romney was asked about waterboarding at a town-hall meeting in Charleston. He replied that he would “do what is essential to protect the lives of the American people” but would not list “for our enemies around the world” what techniques the United States would use.



    Mr. Romney also declared that he would “not authorize torture.” At the news conference afterward, a reporter pressed him to say whether he thought waterboarding was torture, and Mr. Romney replied, “I don’t.”"



    Horrifying. They think torture is acceptable.



    L



  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2012

    HL, I was about to post that myself. My only comfort is that I know he won't win. Still, it makes one shudder. To think that we were a country that condoned torture for 8 years....

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited September 2012

    One year when we were going on vacation, we saw John McCain at Dulles - he was waiting for his flight near where we were waiting. It was before his presidential run, but right at the height of the torture controversy. DH has been a law enforcement professional for 23 years. He marched right over to Senator McCain, introduced himself, told him what his occupation is and who he worked for, and sat down to have a chat. He told the Senator that torture doesn't work. It has been proven time and again, studied inside and out, around the world. It doesn't work for the military, it doesn't work in law enforcement. In addition to being illegal and completely morally wrong, IT IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO EXTRACT USABLE INFORMATION. Sen. McCain agreed, they chatted some more, and DH got up to come back to where we were sitting. The Senator shook DH's hand and thanked him for his service.



    We cannot become a nation that tortures people ever again.



    L

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited September 2012

    After WWII, we executed Japanese officers for water-boarding allied prisoners.  Water-boarding is also against the Geneva Convention. 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2012

    HL -McCain himself was a torture victim, as you know. Good for your DH - I can picture him doing it all in such a forthright manner.

    Torture is barbarism and nothing more. We learned nothing new and only diminished ourselves. 

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2012

    HL - that's a nice story.  Nice that he took the time with your DH.   At times, McCain is/was an honorable man.  There were moments during the campaign I thought he had sold his soul.  When he had to fight for his Senate seat in 2010, he turned a little crazy, but he was always against torture.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited September 2012

    40 days to go:

    Today's Good News for Obama: Seven in 10 Americans assume the Affordable Care Act will go into effect-whether they like it or not. Considering Romney promises to repeal all or most of the law on his first day in office, these numbers indicate that Americans-and many conservatives-are slowly resigning themselves to the real possibility that a Romney presidency will never happen. Only 12 percent of those polled believe Obamacare will be repealed in its entirety, even though a mere 32 percent of Americans actually support the law. In spite of its divisiveness, the health care issue has taken a back seat on the campaign trail, and it's looking like an increasingly settled issue. To Obama, this might also look like an increasingly settled election.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2012

    Rachel Maddow is superb tonight.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2012

    I wonder who is the republican senator who has a secret "hold" on a bill to make a cost-of-living adjustment to the benefits the US government pays to families of soldiers who die for the country? Which republican wants to deny COLA adjustments for families who lose a loved one?

    I'm making my own guesses, but I can bet you one thing:

    The greedy coward probably wears a flag pin.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2012

    Some have speculated Rand Paul - but only speculation.  This should not be something one can keep secret...it's our government!   If I wrote someone a PM and threatened to report them to a Mod (for them merely posting replys to my posts) - would that be out of order?  We don't do that here, do we?

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2012
    Whoever he is, he's a POS, and should be called out. Yell
  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2012

    Romney-tied Voter Registration Firm caught registering dead people.  Same firm, under a different name, ripped up Democrats Registrations in '04 and '08 in many states.

    Though Republicans in FL and NC have now disavowed their relationships to Sproul, the GOP in VA, NV, CO and CA have not. Neither has the Republican National Committee or the Romney Campaign. 

    http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9592 

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited September 2012

    Voter fraud perpetrated by a Romney tied firm?  Now there's a surprise.  I might have a heart attack and die from the surprise.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited September 2012

    HL - liked your story about McCain.  I had liked him before he ran for president, honored his stance against torture, respected that he stood up to W.  I did feel like he compromised far too much in his bid for the presidency, although at least he had the guts to tell a women that she was wrong when she called Obama an Arab -guts that Romney certainly doesn't have.

  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited September 2012

    Here's a link to a woman blogger's response to Ann Romney's "This is hard.." statement. 

    (Warning-some f-bombs)

    http://hotliberals.com/2012/09/27/shutupannromney/

    Mary 

  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited September 2012

    That article is sssoooooo good. Thanks, Mary.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2012

    I read much of the above referenced news earlier --- right before I had to go to work though not the CNN piece. All very thought provoking.  Happy to hear about the job numbers coming right.  I can't imagine being a conservative right now.....might even be too much work.....only looking for the polls that are favorable enough, and picking and choosing which news to watch so you won't expose yourself to too much truth.  Maybe that means as a lefty....I'm just too lazy, but so be it.  I'm not cut out to be a zealot....just give me the cold, hard, true facts and then I won't have to suppress any of my left leaning ways. 

    Jackie 

    there was a time when I could have voted for McCain, but then he tried too hard and lost everything I saw in him earlier on.  SIGH --- hard to stay true to your self when the big pressures come.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited September 2012

    Just read the article Mary.  Wow!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2012

    Mary...you just made my day....heck my whole year.  I have been stewing off and on about the other half of the Romney team and wondering  just how tough life is when you have all  that she has  because after all she didn't work....she did something much harder....raised five sons......really.  Thank you, thank you.

    Jackie  

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2012

    'Morning all - Kam's article is just too important. I am reproducing excerpts here. Great find, Kam:

    "The North Carolina Republican Party has fired the shady voter registration firm owned by Mitt Romney's paid political consultant and longtime GOP operative, Nathan Sproul. The firing came as Democrats in the state were on the brink of denouncing the Republicans' tie to the operative's firm.

    The state GOP joins the Republican Party of Florida, which also fired Sproul's company (who accounted for the party's largest 2012 expenditure, some $1.3 million over the last two months) after more than 100 apparently fraudulent voter registration forms were turned over to the FL State Attorney in Palm Beach County on Monday for investigation. The BRAD BLOG first reported the emerging story in detail on Tuesday.

    The firm, Strategic Allied Consulting, is the latest creation of Sproul, a longtime, high-level GOP operative whose companies --- including Sproul & Associates and Lincoln Strategy Group --- have been accused of destroying Democratic voter registration forms and changing information on them in election after election, in state after state, year after year. He was hired for similar operations by Bush/Cheney in '04, by McCain/Palin in '08 and by Mitt Romney's campaign late last year.

    When the FL GOP fired Strategic Allied on Tuesday night, they noted that the firm had been hired "at the request of" the Republican National Committee. On Wednesday, during our exclusive interview with the Palm Beach County Supervisor of Election Susan Bucher, she described some of the "similarities in the signatures and certain characteristics in the applications that were very disturbing" on registration applications collected by Sproul's firm and turned in to her office. Among the "disturbing" defects on the forms, addresses of existing registered voters changed "to commercial buildings or addresses" and, "in some places, they were changing political parties."

    Bucher stressed her concern that voters were likely to be disenfranchised by the effort when showing up at the polls on Election Day, only to find their address has been changed, removed or moved to another precinct entirely.

    The firm is still said to be operating in key battleground states like Virginia, Nevada and Colorado, where a young lady who may have been working for the contractor was caught on a disturbing viral video tape published over the weekend. The young lady, who was hired by "a third-party contractor" retained by the Colorado State Republican Party, as their Communications Director confirmed to The BRAD BLOG on Wednesday, is seen on the tape asking a potential registrant whether she would vote for Obama or Romney before she would allow her to fill out a voter registration form."

    More at Kam's link.

    Rememnber the hoopla over Acorn - how the GOP in the House tried to break Article I of the constitution by passing a law explicitly for ACORN?

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2012

    As E says,

    ::crickets::

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited September 2012

    It's another Rove ploy - accuse the opposition of what you're doing.  So the Republicans scream about voter fraud and introduce all these Voter ID laws which suppress valid voters while they are perpetuating the true voter fraud.  Now if we could just get the media to properly cover this.  But it's complicated, it's not a sound bite so there are few that bother.

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited September 2012

    Mary, great link.  I hereby cosign on that response to Ann Romney.

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited September 2012

    What a totally crappy morning.  Got up and ready for work.  My husband decided he was going to drive me in and we'd stop for breakfast somewhere - have a relaxing morning.  Well, that got shot out of the water fairly rapidly.  We should have been suspicious when we noted that the garage light was out (we have an extremely bright light that is on all night)...  Anyway, someone stole the wheels (and tires, of course) off our truck.  So....  as it's a mile and a half walk to the train station, I'm telecommuting today while hubby deals with the police, insurance company, car rental agency and who knows what else.  UUUGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited September 2012

    Oh Dear Gardengumby - Sounds like a pretty bad start to the day - I can't even imagine how frustrated you both must be.

    Sending a hug, S.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    DAMN - gardengumby - just DAMN - and that person knew the VALUE of what he/she took.  JUST. DAMN.  Hope you get restitution quickly without too much damage to your insurance premiums.

    MART, MARY, MARY - what a fabulous letter.  I'm a signer too.  When I watched the video online, all I could sputter back at the computer screen was "You DooFuss, what do you thinking being President of the USA is, easy???"  Jeeziepeezie, if running is too hard, what about SERVING in the Office????"  Auuggg......

    HL - THANK YOU TO YOUR DH - what a wonderful thing to do!  John McCain was, sometimes still is, but mostly was, a brave person.   

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited September 2012

    Oh GG, the suckage is so massive on the start to your Friday that I am speechless! ((((( GG))))) Unbelievable!! It takes real brass to steal wheels and tires from someone's closed garage -- it might have been a good thing that nobody heard them. They might have been armed. I hope it can be sorted quickly.



    Two big thumbs up on the response to Ann Romney. I have bookmarked it ... It is great!



    L

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2012

    I heard the chair of the FL RNC declare how honest and forthwright his party is for firing the firm when the anomalies were discovered. Then he said of course "the other side" wouldn't have done that because they WANT to cheat! AAAAARRRRRGGGGG! The real reason they fired the firm and disowned themselves from the fraud is because they GOT CAUGHT red handed! 

    YellYellYell 

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