I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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Alexandria - "cross examination" - as a "test" to see if you'd get "riled'? Still think it's a possible..
Scoot - what did I miss? A biopsy of what? where? sorry if I missed something.....DEEEP finger crossing for B9
GardenGumby - I'll be in your pocket too....aren't all these tests just the scariest... get the chills just thinking of them...and my next ones aren't until November.....
Civility? gone. If NBC's Magazine format tv progam is on tonight - think it's called Rock Center - after my bedtime, Ted Koppel is talking about this in the media...
On to IMPORTANT things - Downton Abbey is coming back...speaking of no sequitors...
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This doesn't really matter, but MSNBC registered more views than Fox News two nights in a row in a demographic considered important. It was in the 9pm and 10 pm slots.
I want to think it means the country is growing a brain!
(Ducking for cover)
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Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell both rock!!
On growing a brain - I remember some joke in the Bush years, comparing his presidency to the Wizard of OZ, with Bush singing If I only had a Brain, and Cheney, If I only had a heart. Guess Romney could sing both.
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hopin' and prayin'...

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It's cracking me up how righties think ALL the polls showing Romney behind are deliberately skewed by a leftist conspiracy. The fact that NO mainstream polls show Romney ahead does not register.
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On a different political topic... this is incredible...a woman of immense courage, anger and willingness to take a serious risk:
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What a brave woman! I can really understand "mad as hell and not taking it anymore." Just hope she survives "the review."
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Yorkie...yes...the consequences are daunting. Hopefully the publicity will help to keep Iran in check...
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You know, desperate people can do very stupid things, so it is all the more embarassing when that desperate person happens to be a presidential candidate. Mitt is now griping over a statement by Obama saying you must change Washington from the outside - something which sounds perfectly reasonable. After all, who ever heard of anyone inside the beltway changing the beltway? This place is like a crack house - no one wants to change - everyone is hooked on politics as usual.
But what Obama was conveying is that you had to be someone with a fresh perspective - an "ideas" outsider -to effect change. The meaning of his phrase is philosophical, and it is something which, historically and across cultures, has held.
Mitt (or his desperation) reads it literally, like a child. He is thinking this means that Obama cannot change because he is in the White House.
If Romney were president, nothing would happen. I do think we would be in a state of permanent nothingness for four years. He doesn't have any ideas or ambitions for the country. He would just be a placeholder president until 2017.
Shaking head. Here goes:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/mitt-romney-change-washington_n_1901523.html
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Taking a second read at the change/inside/outside manufactured controversy. Obama's spokeswoman characterizes the remark as meaning that change comes from the people (different from what I said above). That would be the same thing he has said all along.
Slapping whiskers with paw for allowing myself to get sidetracked by a non-controversy.
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I noted the part that spoke about out of context twice in the last 48 hours. Romney reminds me of a kid in a candy store ( he admits he didn't check anything -- just used it ) and therefore will end up with egg on the face and surrounding areas once more. Well, not to worry---I'm sure a certain news source can get a better spin on it, but the horse has already left the building.
Jackie
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And now we have the overdone fake tan (or dark make-up) for his Hispanic audience ... this just keeps getting better and better.

Politicians never change until the people force them to. This is not rocket science.
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Didn't he just vacation on the water somewhere? Might it be an honest-to-goodness tan combined with bad makeup?
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Scoot....only if the vacation was for only a day or two ending a couple days ago.......and that o so perfectly tanned face. He has no shame, but then he hasn't really had any right along. Pandering -- its not at all becoming. No wonder so many of his co-horts seem to be bailing on him and certainly have vocally distanced themselves from some of the previous giant mis-steps. If he keeps this up......concede before the vote ever begins. Ok....too much below the belt. I will go back to being silent.
Jackie
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Ya....just trying to give him some help here. He's getting it from all sides. I don't really feel sorry for the man because he's smart enough to know and do better, but it seems only fair to .... oh hell, I got nothin. Never mind.
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Okay----Hi!---I have a serious question. I know what happens if the President becomes incapacitated(sp?), BUT what happens if a Presidential candidate becomes incapacitated,does the VP nominee become the Presidential nominee? Did I convey that question clearly, I know what Im asking, do you? Any body? Civilaty I understood,Civics I didnt. Keep up the good conversing Im listening.--kad2kar
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kad2kar,
If a candidate is incapacitated prior to the election, his or her replacement is decided by the candidates party. As I understand it the Party's National Committee decides. It's not a constitutional thing so it wouldn't have been covered in civics anyway.

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Watched some of the Scott Brown Elizabeth Warren debate tonite. They opened up with the topic of "integrity" and Brown got the first shot. Ofcourse, he brought up the Native American issue and ofcourse she could not possibly be Native American because "she doesn't look like one."
Who says that but some ignoramous insular white guy?
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Scoot, the link I saw shows him his usual pale self just a few hours before, plus you can see the line where the makeup starts and stops along his neck and jawline. Let me find it.
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I saw the pictures too Riley ... but your link goes to something completely different.
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Oh good grief. What genius thought that up?
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Oh good grief. What genius thought that up?
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Ack! It worked before!
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Looking from the outside in: As susieq, our Aussie pal says, we are totally astounded -- and dismayed -- that U.S. elections are so incredibly dependent on $$$$. It makes any U.S. representation on international panels judging the legitimacy of elections in newly "democratic" countries farcical.
It's very sad, very disheartening, to see that many millions of dollars are being used to employ a relatively meagre number of people (the writers and directors of political ads) but at the same time underwriting the expenses of the major media corporations.
No matter your political persuasion, it seems that electoral reform should be at the top of any future agenda. JMHO, of course.
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We don't have a president - the Prime minister is the elected head of the party in government we don't elect the leader - probably the same as Canada as it's based on the Westminster system. We have state governments and local town councils as well as the federal gov. An election campaign goes for maybe 6 weeks or a couple of months. Yes they have TV ads that the relevant party pay for, but there are no big gatherings like you have. It seems all quite bizarre from my point of view. Also, it's compulsory to vote here - you get fined if you don't.
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linda, $$$$$$, and if you really look deeper, it's worse than you think.
$$$$$ spent on hiring consultants who write the ads, $$$ to consultants who decide where to "place" the ads, $$$ to consultants who then do "place" the ads, and all the kickbacks, ah, fees, for placement, and then the OWNERS of the media corporations ( who as we know are now considered, I love this one, people) so they can give more money, to generate more media adds, anybody dizzy yet? Circular path of the money, yes.
And of course all that "advance" staff, to make the candidates look good ( "Mission Accomplished", hold ship off shore, so human being pretending to have piloted a plane can land & give a schpiel in front of Huge Banner)or sitting on hay bales, I love those too...
Didn't see Riley's link? Think it was probably very bad makeup - Daily Beast has a fierce piece today too
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/21/why-does-everybody-hate-mitt-romney.html
Nick Kristof's NYTimes column today - really good...just a bit lazy about posting all of these. I get a great daily email with all the good links - will post later ( if I remember)
Pumpkins appearing - acorns ABOUND, happiest squirrels I've ever seen...
sunshine today - hope scoot has B9 written all over her "reports"
still hoping alexandria hears good news...
Lion - don't slap yourself with your paw - just remember President Obama was a community organizer, and always, ALWAYS is thinking of how to keep citizens active... and involved....as FDR said, (paraphrased) he could do everything you ( electorate) made him do!
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And you just KNOW they would pick Ryan. If not the teabaggies would revolt.
Sunny, just had to add, my little guys (yard squirrels) are positively estatic about the cool weather. Doing cartwheels and backflips all over the place, inbetween chowing down on the corn and seed blocks I leave out for them! Life's good when you're a squirrel in my back yard!

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Slightly sideways to the topic, here is something that popped up on my FB this morning from physicians group. It is a guide to healthcare reform from Consumer Reports:
http://www.consumersunion.org/pub/pdf/healthcare2012.pdf
And waiting for Consumer Reports to be denounced as a liberal shill in 3....2....1....
Anyway, it is very interesting and very clear. I know that the Kaiser Family Foundation also has copious quantities of info about it, too.
Happy Friday, all!
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That's a nice booklet, HL.
Friday morning brain droppings:
A bit amazed and dismayed that Obama's remarks about some millionaires not paying taxes isn't getting more play in the press. I hope his millionaire donors weren't offended. He has to repeat that message, thought, and rephrase it to say (in case his rich donors cry foul) that they don't pay federal income tax and that this is because of loopholes in the system that have to be closed.
There needs to be more talk about corporate welfare. If we are going to talk about a nanny state or about how people are entitled, how about starting with the segment truly afforded that entitlement by successive administrations.
There's no monopoly on good or bad values by party - I'm sure all of the low lifes in supermax prisons would vote democratic, frankly.
But they are in prison, paying their dues for what they did (minus a very few innocents). Meanwhile, the banks threw the nation under a bus in the Bush years, taxpayers bailed them out and the impunity continues - anbd one of the candidates for president hails his so called prowess in capital allocation, yet can't manage his own presidential campaign properly.There is no better sign of the bankruyptcy of neocon capitalism than Romney's campaign, and republicvans seem to relish having candidates who make a mess of things but then style themselves as able corporate titans. Carly Fiorina comes to mind. Get fired from HP for making a mess of things, then run as the business candidate. Does that strike anyone else as wierd?
I am blaming a complacent government - both executive and legislative-- and a flawed ideology shared by Reagan and Clinton that what is good for Wall Street is good for everyone. That may have been true at some point, but not in the late 1920s and not today either.
America was founded on people actually making things of value, inventing and innovating. The fact that we allow underperforming parasites to derive bonuses every time they cause a company to collapse is a sign of a bankrupt business ideology and capitalism run amok. It also shows that the meritocracy system we always prided ourselves on is no longer really there.
Lindasa and Susie - yes, the money is a headache. The best I can say is this is still the good ol' USA and everything we do is BIG.
Marketing, campaigning, self-promotion have always been big industries here. But, in our defense, we are running to elect the most powerful person in the world, which may explain the heightened interest. If you look at it from the other side of the coin: I can tell you that in other countries people do follow US politics. It is the "greatest show on earth" for good and for bad. I am sort of agnostic about the money factor. It's one of those things that are too deeply ingrained to even think of complaining about. What I do worry about is how money can skew fair play. -
Thanks HL
This is interesting. Does this mean Willard is going to PROMISE to raise the minimum wage, which of course Democrats have been trying to do for years.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/21/news/economy/poor-jobs/index.html?iid=HP_LN
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