I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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Civil rights, worker's rights, women's rights ... all the good things past generations have fought so hard for are under attack. Men and women were beaten, jailed and even killed fighting for the right to vote ... and yes we had to fight just as hard for the right to use contraception too. We forget how brutal the opposition was to those things at our own peril because it is still out there in some quarters. If I said here what I really think about these people the rabbit would be sent to the corner. So 'thump, thump' ...
Another version of 'I've got your back' ...
Or perhaps a warning to watch out for what might be trying to sneak up on you while you are being distracted by other things?
Beautiful day here. Time for me to decide what I want to do with it. Hope everybody has a good one!
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gardengumby, it's about controlling women. It's for those idjuts whose brains can't give up the myth of the Donna Reed mom, vacuuming in pearls and heels. Father Knows Best, now doesn't he. They want something that actually shouldn't exist in any culture or society that wants to progress, some simpler segregated and tightly controlled by men world. Patriarchal societies don't work, they are brutal and backward, but they are everywhere. And there are those in our North American society who would love for the world to look like that.
We fought this battle before, and I hope our daughters and grandaughters are willing to stand up again. They simply don't realize what it was like to apply for a job at McDonalds as a teenager and be told they only hired married ladies because it was too distracting for the boys(happened to me). Girls today aren't pigeonholed into secretarial pools or paid less for doing the same job(my mother in law, a supervisor in the phone company) or constantly hassled to prove one can't do the same job as men and must be cheating somehow (me as a telephone installer repair"man") or told "why don't you go back to the kitchen where you belong, you are taking a man's job" (me again)
Young ladies of todays world aren't hopping mad like my generation was, I hope they get mad.
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Lindasa, I agree with you. But about that equal amount of activity I was amused a few years back to see a comparison of teen sexual activity in the US and free love, hippy-dippy, "socialist" Denmark. The interesting thing was that not only did the Danish teens have fewer pregnancies, abortions and STDs, but they also waited slightly longer to have sex, on average, and had fewer sex partners. So contrary to popular myth, Danes are nowhere near the sex-crazed vixens they are often made out to be.
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Guess who said this yesterday?
"I want women to control their own health choices, just like I want my daughters to have the same opportunities as your sons."
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Linda, would that be my man the Pres??
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Barack?
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I cheated. From Google.
Standing up for women, the President said, "I want women to control their own health choices, just like I want my daughters to have the same opportunities as your sons."
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Ladies, be careful, I just got an email (hahaha) that some are offended that we are joking???????????????????? about rape and the mods should remove our posts. Are they kidding me? Or is comprehension a problem.
Personally, I think its because one of their own made an ass of himself and his party and I couldn't be happier.
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Blue-I knew they wouldn't be able to stay away and not meddle. I don't understand why any woman would associate themselves with people that think in such backwards, oppressive ways. Stockholm Syndrome, perhaps?
Mary
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From Wikipedia-
Stockholm Syndrome-"Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in whichhostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them."
Mary
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More like, "If you don't agree with it, suppress it, ban it, delete it or crush it, because we don't like it."
You would think that they would take their own advice: "If you don't like it, don't read there."
There are a LOT of things on BCO (and elsewhere on the Web) that seriously offend me, including bogus claims of health benefits from substances or "treatments" that can actually harm people. I just don't go there and read, because they offend and anger me. If someone is offended or angered by what we post here, DON'T READ HERE.
Enough with the faux outrage and attempts at suppression.
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Yup HL!
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Kam - thanks for reminding me it's time to read Margaret Atwood again.
ALEXANDRIA - I love it - definitely op-ed material. GO FOR IT!
Oh, Blue, your poor email box...doesn't it have an ignore button? I thought the Lioness told us there were some kind of "new rules" about not reading what you don't like, or words like that...
The "platform" is about to pass next week. This is gonna be interesting. Hey, maybe some folks who are so worried about a fetus even if the life of the woman impregnated is in danger, will begin to care about the woman and the child she produces if she survives the unwanted pregnancy? Now wouldn't that be nice.
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I remember some years ago someone talking about a hypothetical case along these lines, and today I read a blogger's story:
A teenager was raped by someone she both detested and was afraid of, and subsequently became pregnant (yeah, I guess that imaginary preventive stuff didn't work for her...). She wanted to have an abortion but her parents forbade it. When the baby was born, she was hoping to give it up for adoption but the rapist sued for parental rights. Now, he is in her life basically forever and the abuse continues.
There is so little respect (often by both sexes) for the victims of sexual assault. There is also little to no regard for the welfare of the resulting baby. So very, very sad.....
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lindasa, that's the kind of nightmare the wingnuts choose to deny and ignore. Then again they likely would fall on the side of "she asked for it"
As for the "reporters" among us, Apparently some are not capable of recognizing wit, sarcasm, and irony, or even intelligent debate. The world is too black and white to them.
Damn, I feel so good today. Honestly, worrying about your kid is a level of stress that is always with you and when some of it is lifted it's amazing. I even feel a little creative today. That's when I know I feel better, if I can imagine doing something creative and fun for myself. Now where are those tiny beads? Ugh, cobwebs and dust, it's been too long. I superglued some tiny sparkles onto my eyeglasses which were too plain. Now I sparkle.
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Yeah, beads. and sparkles - and FREEDOM from worry
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Does gallows (omg does that count as talking about the death penalty?) humour count as joking about rape and abortion? Blue Skys!
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With you HL!
There has been nothing in any post that joked about women being raped. The only person who could possibly be offended would be someone who either supports what Todd Aikens said or supports what his statement reveals about the views of some people on women's place in our society.
I've heard the argument that the first amendment doesn't apply here because it's a private forum, etc. etc., but still how about I'm offended that persons with certain viewpoints get to dictate the subjects that we can discuss.
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I fail to see how being furious about rape can be construed as 'joking' by any stretch of the imagination. It is offensive to add 'forcible' or 'legitimate' to rape. Those limiting terms are really an attempt to throw it back to it doesn't count as rape unless you are dead ... or at least badly beaten or shot or stabbed.
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I've seen no joking here vis a vis this topic, but I do see an attitudinal problem with women making their own choices about their own personal healthcare. When I got BC, I was amazed to know that I could have reconstruction paid for by my insurance company. Now was this voluntary or dictated by someone in government? I'm guessing it is government, but does anyone know who was the force behind this? I don't think any woman can complain about this sort of government meddling, but likewise, as easily as it has been given, it could be taken away. They are trying to take a woman's right to choose away - what's the saying? - one paper cut at a time? Just another related issue vis a vis our government and women's health.
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Bill Clinton (you know, the other Evil One) was responsible for mandating that group health insurance policies are required by law to cover reconstruction after breast cancer surgery. The Federal Women's Health and Cancer Rights Act (WHCRA) of 1998, signed into law by President Clinton October 21, 1998, applies to group health policies that provide medical and/or surgical benefits for a mastectomy. Such plans must cover reconstruction of the mastectomy breast, surgery on the other one to match, the implants and any complication, including lymphedema.
And yes, Kam -- the government (read a woman-hating majority in Congress) can repeal that law if they want. It isn't "the government" or "the bureaucrats" you have to worry about -- it is Congress. As we have seen in this latest debacle.
ETA: go to www.dol.gov/ebsa/Publications/whcra.html for more info on the Act, the provisions of which are enforced by the U.S. Department of Labor (some more "bureaucrats" protecting women's rights!).
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Kam, under our government-funded healthcare here in the GWN (Great White North, for novices!!) reconstruction is covered, including extra surgical "effort" to make a matching set! It's simply the proper and caring thing to do.....and was undoubtedly proposed and encouraged by breast surgeons and oncologists. You see, contrary to what many US folks think, government-funded does not mean government-run. There's a big difference!
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Thank you for the info HL and Lindasa. And now I hear we get preventative mammos 100% covered! (I know who is responsible for that.) Diagnosis is key. Having BRCA2, as does Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (who also had BC), I know she has been proactive for women's health issues too. I guess I will now go figure out who legislated the law that prevents discrimination against those with genetic issues!
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Kam, President Bush signed the Genetic Information Non-Discrimination Act (GINA) into law May 21, 2008. You can find information on that at www.genome.gov
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ETA: Look under the tab for Issues in Genetics and select the box that says Genetic Discrimination -
Alexandria - I really truly LOVED your idea. Possibly we are of the same generation. When I was young I was interested in taking a computer class from a local tech school. Though I tested in the highest percentile possible, I was refused entrance as according to the man in charge "a woman cannot work around computers. Because of women's monthly cycles, they cannot be in the temperature controlled environment a computer requires." I kid you not. That is exactly (or as close to exactly as possible) what I was told.
After I completed my course of study (at a different school, obviously), my first job lasted only a month, as I refused my supervisor's advances.
My first husband (obviously I made a very poor choice in who to marry the first time), was an absolute believer that no woman EVER should make as much money as any man anywhere. He also once said to me: "when I tell you to jump, you don't ask why, you ask how high!" I am completely embarassed by the fact that I ever married him, let alone by the fact that I didn't divorce him as soon as I should have (like the next day!).
I (personally) don't like abortion, and probably would not have made that choice had I been faced with it. Fortunately, I wasn't. My children were planned - but - they were planned BECAUSE OF THE AVAILABILITY OF CONTRACEPTION!!! As I don't like abortion, I dealt with that dislike by making sure that I was never in the position that I might be tempted to use it. That was my choice. I cannot make that choice for anyone else, and I certainly cannot say that I know better than the people/person involved as to what is manageable for them. And I was lucky - contraception unfailingly worked for me.
In my humble opinion we are dealing with a group of people who want to "return" to a time that never actually existed except in their imagination. They read the Bible and pick and choose what they want to hear. They obviously never read the line about God "bringing to ruin those who are ruining the earth".
I've also made the decision regarding BCO that it is here for me, not me for it. I had a hard time learning to speak my mind because what I believed was not approved by my family, my religion, nor most of my peers (at the time). I do not come to BCO to go through the same thing all over again. If I should be banned for voicing my beliefs, then that is what happens. I have decided to not give up the one thing that cancer did not already take from me. My voice.
Thank-you for being here.
Yvonne
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"Though I tested in the highest percentile possible, I was refused entrance as according to the man in charge "a woman cannot work around computers. Because of women's monthly cycles, they cannot be in the temperature controlled environment a computer requires." I kid you not. That is exactly (or as close to exactly as possible) what I was told."
No doubt in my mind you were told that. I applied for a "mans" job while a tel operator and the ladies insisted I shouldn't go over there because they would tell me to cut my hair (very long at the time) because it could get caught in the equipment. Completely bogus by the way. My parochial high school took us to vist the offices of the SEC(I went to school in DC). This was in 1967 I think. The man giving the tour regaled us with how much we would like being secretaries there as each floor was painted a different color!
Oh young girls, please get mad enough to raise hell!!!!!!
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Hey - let's drink to fingers (Alexandria, CLC, Sun)....mine can't stop either.
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Yikes - Blue - sorry that you got hate mail (the threatening --yes, that's what it is-- e-mail).
Cowards.
Here's a thought: let's have a law whereby if you are a member of congress in a state or federal legislature, and you cast a vote to narrow abortion rights OR you say in your election platform that not even rape and incest exemptions should apply....
....you must pay the equivalent of the average child support monthly stipend in your state - for 18 years. Failure to pay would result in prison. Said payments can go into a treasury account to fund general health programs for everyone.
These fascist pigs (oh, Blue, threats really send my fingers running....) would probably say to themselves, "What???? I have to pay into a fund that provides guv'mint health???? That's Big Guv'mint. No way sir! I want to have the constitutional right and freedom as a true blue American to shove a device up a woman or tell her that she HAS to procreate the genes of criminals - that's small guv'mint, a-hiya, hiya hee."
Yeah..... and Thomas Jefferson would be rolling over in his grave.
Ok, back to work....
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A final thing:
I don't think "the child" is so innocent after all. Can you imagine having to procreate a baby who inherits half of the genes from a violent criminal? Is Tea Party-like Big Government telling us who we can procreate with now?
I suppose we liberals are rather small governemnt after all. We don't think the guv'mint should do your family planning for you.
Must run!
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When I graduated college, I was told to get a secretary's job in a publishing company and maybe I could work up to assistant editor. I wanted to be a writer, not a secretary. Still do. Wound up as a lawyer to pay the bills, years later, though.
Just to put my perspective on pregnancy and abortion. I don't like abortion either, but I also don't believe that anyone should be forced to go through pregnancy. I have two daughters. During my first pregnancy, I broke my water at 24 weeks - stayed in bed at the hospital for two more weeks, on some sort of terrible medicine that made my heart race constantly in order to keep from going into labor and resisting some of the doctors who wanted me to abort, since they thought the baby would be terribly deformed. After two weeks of absolute hell, the docs could no longer hold back the contractions, and my beautiful Jenny was born - who graduated with honors from USC. I had to go on bedrest for 7 months for my second pregnancy, wound up in the ER at least every few weeks from bleeding, from contractions. There was one point where my doc thought I might need an abortion to keep from bleeding out. We waited another two days and tested my blood count again, to discover that the first test had been wrong. When I finally gave birth at 34 weeks, my legs wouldn't work because I'd been lying in bed for so long.
I love both of my daughter dearly, and I fought fiercely for them. However, I CHOSE to undergo what I did for my daughters. I know women who've developed heart problems and diabetes from pregnancy. Pregnancy is not an insignificant event. No one should have the right to impose it on a woman.
So I like your idea, Athena. Let's drink to fingers.
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